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2013-04-21 01:19:08 AM
blu.stb.s-msn.com
 
2013-04-21 01:43:09 AM
Unrelated except for one picture, but I think I just may stop voting for any candidate who, at any time, rolls up his or her shirt sleeves.
 
2013-04-21 02:17:40 AM

Relatively Obscure: Unrelated except for one picture, but I think I just may stop voting for any candidate who, at any time, rolls up his or her shirt sleeves.


What about if they're getting ready to punch people?
Nothing says "has staplermofo's vote" like a guy who rolls up his sleeves before punching people.
 
2013-04-21 04:21:27 AM

staplermofo: Relatively Obscure: Unrelated except for one picture, but I think I just may stop voting for any candidate who, at any time, rolls up his or her shirt sleeves.

What about if they're getting ready to punch people?
Nothing says "has staplermofo's vote" like a guy who rolls up his sleeves before punching people.


Okay, that MAY be an exception.
 
2013-04-21 05:09:37 AM
I wish this family would just go the way of the Kennedys.
 
2013-04-21 05:20:30 AM
FTFA:

"Republican's and Hispanics likely to favour Jeb Bush and make him ideal Republican Candidate"

What's with the apostrophe?  The author couldn't remember when to use it so he figured it would balance out if he used it in "Republican's" but not in "Hispanics"?

This is a newspaper in England and even they CAN'T DO ENGLISH!!!11!!11
 
2013-04-21 08:49:04 AM
All the political capital in the world after 9/11, the full support of the nation for the most part, huge approval ratings, etc.  Then Iraq.  If it weren't for that, his legacy would be pretty decent.  But, well we all know what happened after that.
 
2013-04-21 08:58:02 AM
Is he farking high?
 
2013-04-21 09:00:37 AM

Mugato: Is he farking high?


On life!
 
2013-04-21 09:20:43 AM
Apparently he's going the Reagan route

/Alzheimer's appears to be setting in
 
2013-04-21 09:26:16 AM
It is a pity that the smarter brother has his chances ruined by the lesser.

/or at least I hope they're ruined
//we don't need any more Bush.
 
2013-04-21 09:41:38 AM

nekom: All the political capital in the world after 9/11, the full support of the nation for the most part, huge approval ratings, etc.   Then Iraq.  If it weren't for that, his legacy would be pretty decent.  But, well we all know what happened after that.


And Katrina.  And helping push the economy off the cliff.
 
2013-04-21 09:46:41 AM
No more dynasties . No more bushes, no more Clintons, no more Romney, no more kennedys. I don't want to see the same names over and over again and again. We are NOT a monarchy.
 
2013-04-21 09:48:54 AM

EvilEgg: It is a pity that the smarter brother has his chances ruined by the lesser.

/or at least I hope they're ruined
//we don't need any more Bush.


In all fairness, it is a low bar.
 
2013-04-21 09:52:25 AM

Weaver95: No more dynasties . No more bushes, no more Clintons, no more Romney, no more kennedys. I don't want to see the same names over and over again and again. We are NOT a monarchy.


Heh... I got ripped into for expressing the same sentiment on here not long ago

/still agree, though
 
2013-04-21 09:55:00 AM
*throws rock*
 
2013-04-21 09:55:41 AM

UNC_Samurai: nekom: All the political capital in the world after 9/11, the full support of the nation for the most part, huge approval ratings, etc.   Then Iraq.  If it weren't for that, his legacy would be pretty decent.  But, well we all know what happened after that.

And Katrina.  And helping push the economy off the cliff.


Katrina could be forgiven as incompetence. The economy is only partially the responsibility of the President. Iraq though? All him. Well, perhaps moreso Cheney but still, that was no screw up, that was an intentional clusterfark.
 
2013-04-21 10:03:45 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Weaver95: No more dynasties . No more bushes, no more Clintons, no more Romney, no more kennedys. I don't want to see the same names over and over again and again. We are NOT a monarchy.

Heh... I got ripped into for expressing the same sentiment on here not long ago

/still agree, though


Did you include Clinton? some of the more rabid partisans get defensive of her.
 
2013-04-21 10:08:33 AM
*throws another rock*
 
2013-04-21 10:12:47 AM

Relatively Obscure: Unrelated except for one picture, but I think I just may stop voting for any candidate who, at any time, rolls up his or her shirt sleeves.


You don't think it makes them look more hard working?

Sharon Worthy, advised him to roll up his sleeves "to look more hard-working... Even the president rolled his sleeves to just below the elbow."
 
2013-04-21 10:13:56 AM
DON'T EVEN JOKE ABOUT THAT.  You saw what the offerings were last year.  It could happen.
 
2013-04-21 10:15:03 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-21 10:16:08 AM
Jeb may have multiple STDs.

Neil Bush would be a better choice because he was legally documented to have only one venereal disease.
 
2013-04-21 10:17:00 AM
If it's Bush vs. Clinton again I'm done with you America.
 
2013-04-21 10:17:07 AM
So Chris Christie, Elizabeth Warren, Marcus Rubio (no chance in hell), Michelle Bachmann (no chance in hell), Hillary Clinton, and Jeb Bush all running in 2016. Interesting.
 
2013-04-21 10:23:05 AM

Princess Ryans Knickers: So Chris Christie, Elizabeth Warren, Marcus Rubio (no chance in hell), Michelle Bachmann (no chance in hell), Hillary Clinton, and Jeb Bush all running in 2016. Interesting.


Deval Patrick gave a great speech at last year's DNC and has recently gotten a lot national coverage since Chechans bombed his state. I'm sure there are wranglings behind the scene to position him for a run at 2016 if he wants to do that.
 
2013-04-21 10:23:45 AM
www.mindhuestudio.com
 
2013-04-21 10:25:09 AM
 
2013-04-21 10:25:32 AM
fark this farking fark and his farking family. fark them farkers.

/fark.
 
2013-04-21 10:27:42 AM
He's too dumb to realize the blood on his hands...sleeps well at night I'm sure. Not a bit of atonement. Not a bit of humility.
 
2013-04-21 10:28:04 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Weaver95: No more dynasties . No more bushes, no more Clintons, no more Romney, no more kennedys. I don't want to see the same names over and over again and again. We are NOT a monarchy.

Heh... I got ripped into for expressing the same sentiment on here not long ago

/still agree, though


What they said.

And yes, Clinton too.
 
2013-04-21 10:30:55 AM

Mugato: And yes, Clinton too.


But...but what about Chelsea?!?!

/Didn't I hear she was considering entering politics?
 
2013-04-21 10:32:39 AM

UNC_Samurai: nekom: All the political capital in the world after 9/11, the full support of the nation for the most part, huge approval ratings, etc.   Then Iraq.  If it weren't for that, his legacy would be pretty decent.  But, well we all know what happened after that.

And Katrina.  And helping push the economy off the cliff.


a big THIS to both.

after 41 spent all that time polishing the family name so we'd forget Prescott 43 farks it all up again.
 
2013-04-21 10:34:43 AM

nekom: All the political capital in the world after 9/11, the full support of the nation for the most part, huge approval ratings, etc.  Then Iraq.  If it weren't for that, his legacy would be pretty decent.  But, well we all know what happened after that.


There's that whole collapsing economy in 2008. It's important that not go down the memory hole.

Worst. POTUS. EVER. Makes Carter look like FDR.
 
2013-04-21 10:37:23 AM
How about no.
 
2013-04-21 10:38:03 AM

Weaver95: No more dynasties . No more bushes, no more Clintons, no more Romney, no more kennedys. I don't want to see the same names over and over again and again. We are NOT a monarchy.


This, this, a thousand times this.
 
2013-04-21 10:38:16 AM
Know who ELSE hopes Jeb Bush runs in 2016?  The DNC, that's who.
 
2013-04-21 10:39:14 AM

nekom: Katrina could be forgiven as incompetence.


clearly you don't live in the area. besides which that picture of him flying over and looking down from air force 1 speaks volumes about him and his administration. "compassionate conservative" my ass.
 
2013-04-21 10:40:59 AM
he may run. He may even get the nomination. But no way in hell is he ever getting elected.
 
2013-04-21 10:41:41 AM

Curious: that picture of him flying over and looking down from air force 1


I don't think I've seen that one.  Is he smiling in it or something?
 
2013-04-21 10:43:13 AM

thomas666: He's too dumb to realize the blood on his hands...sleeps well at night I'm sure. Not a bit of atonement. Not a bit of humility.


Just ponder how well this simulcrum of a human being grabs his Z's:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-04-21 10:46:02 AM

raerae1980: Mugato: And yes, Clinton too.

But...but what about Chelsea?!?!

/Didn't I hear she was considering entering politics?


Why wouldn't she? It's a cushy job and she wouldn't need to do any work, just ride in on her Father's name.

/To be fair, that's the reason about 50% of Congressmen have the job
 
2013-04-21 10:47:00 AM

raerae1980: Curious: that picture of him flying over and looking down from air force 1

I don't think I've seen that one.  Is he smiling in it or something?


People of Dubya's mental capacities are always smiling.  Or rocking back and forth.  The only time they stop is when you jingle some car keys in their face.
 
2013-04-21 10:47:37 AM

cameroncrazy1984: he may run. He may even get the nomination. But no way in hell is he ever getting elected.


Depends entirely on whether he can convince enough Hispanics that he's more like Dubya than the more Recent Republican incarnations.
 
2013-04-21 10:47:49 AM

thomas666: He's too dumb to realize the blood on his hands...sleeps well at night I'm sure. Not a bit of atonement. Not a bit of humility.


George W. Bush: "I'm comfortable with what I did."
 
2013-04-21 10:49:20 AM

Lost Thought 00: raerae1980: Mugato: And yes, Clinton too.

But...but what about Chelsea?!?!

/Didn't I hear she was considering entering politics?

Why wouldn't she? It's a cushy job and she wouldn't need to do any work, just ride in on her Father's name.

/To be fair, that's the reason about 50% of Congressmen have the job


Well, that's the only reason Dubya got the job.  In the Six-Degrees From Saint Reagan game, that little potatohead scored a two thanks to his poppy.
 
2013-04-21 10:51:50 AM

Weaver95: No more dynasties . No more bushes, no more Clintons, no more Romney, no more kennedys. I don't want to see the same names over and over again and again. We are NOT a monarchy.


Or a plutocracy.

Oh wait....
 
2013-04-21 10:53:53 AM

Vodka Zombie: Lost Thought 00: raerae1980: Mugato: And yes, Clinton too.

But...but what about Chelsea?!?!

/Didn't I hear she was considering entering politics?

Why wouldn't she? It's a cushy job and she wouldn't need to do any work, just ride in on her Father's name.

/To be fair, that's the reason about 50% of Congressmen have the job

Well, that's the only reason Dubya got the job.  In the Six-Degrees From Saint Reagan game, that little potatohead scored a two thanks to his poppy.


Just be glad there are no viable Reagan spawn to run.
 
2013-04-21 10:56:21 AM
i276.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-21 10:59:58 AM

Relatively Obscure: Unrelated except for one picture, but I think I just may stop voting for any candidate who, at any time, rolls up his or her shirt sleeves.


then I guess you better stop voting for 0, since whenever he goes to a blue collar area, he doesn't have his spiffy jacket and tie on - and his sleeves are rolled up.   You know, so he can look like his is part of the working class and that he cares about you.
 
2013-04-21 11:00:34 AM
Good luck with that.
 
2013-04-21 11:06:21 AM

MBrady: Relatively Obscure: Unrelated except for one picture, but I think I just may stop voting for any candidate who, at any time, rolls up his or her shirt sleeves.

then I guess you better stop voting for 0, since whenever he goes to a blue collar area, he doesn't have his spiffy jacket and tie on - and his sleeves are rolled up.   You know, so he can look like his is part of the working class and that he cares about you.


You've got me convinced. I'll never vote for Obama again.
 
2013-04-21 11:10:01 AM

nekom: Katrina could be forgiven as incompetence...  Iraq though? All him. Well, perhaps moreso Cheney but still, that was no screw up, that was an intentional clusterfark.


Putting a dipshiat with zero experience in charge of a major organization like FEMA and then being surprised when it doesn't work out? That's not the sort of incompetence that's in any way forgivable. It's hubris and dumbassery on a truly epic scale. And Cheney couldn't have done nearly as much damage if GWB had simply had the stones to stand up to him and say no. But for all of GWB's posing in cowboy hats and all of his manly-man posturing on his "ranch," that was too much for him to do.

So now he spends his days puttering around a mansion in Dallas in a bathrobe, painting dogs and his own bare feet, and occasionally he offers the world his opinions about how amazing his brother would be as President.
 
2013-04-21 11:11:13 AM

culebra: [i276.photobucket.com image 480x350]


It would be fitting if ten thousand people printed that out and sent it as a postcard to GWB.
 
2013-04-21 11:12:28 AM
If Jeb were to become the Republican nominee, I could see a viable Democratic campaign based solely on the endorsement of Jeb Bush from George W.

Even if the Dems nominated a fish sandwich.
 
2013-04-21 11:13:30 AM

Barricaded Gunman: And Cheney couldn't have done nearly as much damage if GWB had simply had the stones to stand up to him and say no. But for all of GWB's posing in cowboy hats and all of his manly-man posturing on his "ranch," that was too much for him to do.


According to the recent Cheney documentary, sometime into his second term, Bush started actually being president instead of just listening to Cheney all the time. There was a story about Iran or somesuch and everyone is sitting around the table throwing out options on how to deal with them. Cheney unsurprisingly advocated for a full-on invasion of whichever country they were talking about, and the rest of the room basically made him sit in the corner because that was his solution for every problem.

Bush and Cheney apparently hated each other by the end of the second term, which is probably why his presidency was only a slightly mitigated disaster.
 
2013-04-21 11:25:24 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Bush and Cheney apparently hated each other by the end of the second term, which is probably why his presidency was only a slightly mitigated disaster.


They deserve each other though. In hell, I hope they share a cell together.

As for Jeb Bush, I've had enough of that family. No more of them please.
 
2013-04-21 11:26:14 AM

Weaver95: No more dynasties . No more bushes, no more Clintons, no more Romney, no more kennedys. I don't want to see the same names over and over again and again. We are NOT a monarchy.


Somewhere, Benjamin Harrison's great-great-great-great-great-grandson weeps.
 
2013-04-21 11:26:51 AM

Lost Thought 00: cameroncrazy1984: he may run. He may even get the nomination. But no way in hell is he ever getting elected.

Depends entirely on whether he can convince enough Hispanics that he's more like Dubya than the more Recent Republican incarnations.


that's pretty much my thoughts too. I think Jeb would certainly get some hardcore opposition from the Democrats, but I'm not convinced that it would necessarily be that big of a deal to everyone else.
 
2013-04-21 11:37:37 AM
GWB is such an asshole that he probably hopes Jeb runs and loses. GWB has some sick competition issues with his family - one factor in the cause of the Iraq war was that he was trying to outdo his daddy who didn't invade and go after Saddam. GWB would love to cement his place in history as "the most successful Bush".
 
2013-04-21 11:40:50 AM
i1162.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-21 11:41:17 AM

MBrady: Relatively Obscure: Unrelated except for one picture, but I think I just may stop voting for any candidate who, at any time, rolls up his or her shirt sleeves.

then I guess you better stop voting for 0, since whenever he goes to a blue collar area, he doesn't have his spiffy jacket and tie on - and his sleeves are rolled up.   You know, so he can look like his is part of the working class and that he cares about you.


0/10
Civics Fail.
 
2013-04-21 11:42:03 AM

Whiskey Pete: [i1162.photobucket.com image 71x75]


I also meant to add the dignity needs to be restored to the White House.
 
2013-04-21 11:44:22 AM

Weaver95: No more dynasties . No more bushes, no more Clintons, no more Romney, no more kennedys. I don't want to see the same names over and over again and again. We are NOT a monarchy.


Then don't vote for them.

/is it really that had?
 
2013-04-21 11:46:40 AM
The horror...the horror.
 
2013-04-21 11:47:11 AM
Bush basically allowed others to do his homework for him , as he had done for many years,decades really, thereby allowing Cheney, Rumsfeld  mand the other NeoCONs to call the tune, and then he had Rove stand in as Reichsministerium für Volksaufklärung und Propaganda , so that he didn't really need to pay too much attention to anything important. He was a place holder until he (maybe) sent Cheney to the Corner to sit and STFU.

Because of these fundamental mistakes due to his weak character, he will be remembered as the Worst POTUS, bar none.
 
2013-04-21 11:50:16 AM

Mugato: Is he farking high?


He behaves strangely and from his looks, my guess he's plugging something.

images.politico.com
 
2013-04-21 11:50:48 AM

Weaver95: No more dynasties . No more bushes, no more Clintons, no more Romney, no more kennedys. I don't want to see the same names over and over again and again. We are NOT a monarchy.


As long as the person elected to the run the country is educated, capable, and sensible, I don't care what their last name is, if I'm honest with you.  I don't vote at the ballot box based on the last names of the people running, I vote based on their platforms and whether or not I think they'll do a decent job in the White House.  A monarchy is hereditary rule, no elections, no campaigning.  If Hillary Clinton ran for President in 2016, are you seriously saying you wouldn't vote for her, even if she was far and away the best person for the job, simply because her husband held the post for 8 years?  Come on.
 
2013-04-21 11:51:39 AM

Weaver95: No more dynasties . No more bushes, no more Clintons, no more Romney, no more kennedys. I don't want to see the same names over and over again and again. We are NOT a monarchy.


came here to say that
found it said
thank you
 
2013-04-21 11:53:26 AM

Weaver95: No more dynasties . No more bushes, no more Clintons, no more Romney, no more kennedys. I don't want to see the same names over and over again and again. We are NOT a monarchy.


Pretty much this.  The two Bushes guaranteed that Jeb would never be elected no matter how much more qualified he is compared to the previous ones.
 
2013-04-21 11:54:00 AM

HairBolus: GWB is such an asshole that he probably hopes Jeb runs and loses. GWB has some sick competition issues with his family - one factor in the cause of the Iraq war was that he was trying to outdo his daddy who didn't invade and go after Saddam. GWB would love to cement his place in history as "the most successful Bush".


Only 2-term President in the family so far. So I'd say he's nailed it.
 
2013-04-21 11:55:50 AM
Someone once described Bush The Lesser as "incurious". Made me chortle.
 
2013-04-21 11:56:43 AM
I still blame Barbara for raising social-ladder climbing sociopaths.
 
2013-04-21 11:57:06 AM

DamnYankees: Mugato: Is he farking high?

On life paint thinner!


ftfy
 
2013-04-21 11:58:57 AM
Romney should run again.

Seriously.


*snerk*
 
2013-04-21 12:07:43 PM

nekom: UNC_Samurai: nekom: All the political capital in the world after 9/11, the full support of the nation for the most part, huge approval ratings, etc.   Then Iraq.  If it weren't for that, his legacy would be pretty decent.  But, well we all know what happened after that.

And Katrina.  And helping push the economy off the cliff.

Katrina could be forgiven as incompetence. The economy is only partially the responsibility of the President. Iraq though? All him. Well, perhaps moreso Cheney but still, that was no screw up, that was an intentional clusterfark.


Do you mean in terms of politics or in terms of leadership?

Dubya did practically EVERYTHING wrong.  From stirring shiat in Israel to practically giving a handjob to China; from Faith-based initiatives to speeches saying, "a terrorist attack's coming,  but I won't tell you where, boogity boo!"  From tax cuts to Hurricane Katrina; From deregulation of banks (hell, everything) to Wall Street Bailouts; his list of failures is epic.  But the only one people remember, the only one that people care about and admit HE (still won't admit "we" despite a majority of Americans supporting invasion in 2003 and a majority claiming they "never supported it" in 2007) invaded Iraq.

Like tagging Al Capone for Tax Evasion, it may be the best we can get.  But like that age-old example it's frustrating that a man with so many demonstrably terrible policies is only tarred and feathered with his least exciting failure.  The whole country (or at least a majority) was behind the invasion and dancing with glee as the mighty US army stomped all over Saddam's shiatty army.  Of all his many, many failings Iraq is the stone-blind-retarded policy farkup that the rest of the nation most shares blame for, yet it is the one Bush is most blamed for.  He's practically a scapegoat (okay, maybe that's too far) and while he's still MILES away from "innocent" on the topic, he is about as close as he ever gets.

I never supported invasion of Iraq, too many lessons in history and Middle Eastern politics from friends and acquaintances and internets taught me it was going to be a bad idea.  I was wrong about plenty of details and a little more Alex Jones-style conspiracy-monger than I'd care to admit but them's the breaks.  But I accept that I could have made a better case, I could have fought harder, I could have focused on down-ticket elections and tried to educate instead of denigrate when a Patriot was repeating foolish lies.

And the thing that truly chaps my hide about this is not Bush being wrongfully accused or all the journalists and politicians and people like you and me abdicating responsibility on the crime of the Iraq clusterfark.  What gets me is the fact that every OTHER failure is eclipsed, overshadowed, and quietly reclaimed by people who want to keep repeating those failures.  Bush 2's legacy is still being polished, rebranded, and spun by people who want the most important (to them) parts back online as soon as possible.  Disaster capitalism, corporate kleptocracy, and neofeudalism are still the operating principles and despite 33 years and counting of proof these things don't work we're only talking about Gee-Dub's Iraq Debacle.

But anyways, yeah, in terms of political capital it's like you said, Dubya went from richest man evar to deeply in debt (money = political capital in this metaphor) over Iraq.
 
2013-04-21 12:07:45 PM

teto85: [blu.stb.s-msn.com image 628x316]


I always thought that was the greatest thing about America.. You can go from the most powerful man in the world to eccentric old man who everyone laughs at the second you leave office.  It's pretty unique in world history tbh.

Also he sucks at painting.
 
2013-04-21 12:08:51 PM

EvilEgg: It is a pity that the smarter brother has his chances ruined by the lesser.

/or at least I hope they're ruined
//we don't need any more Bush.


No more bush? Welcome to the 90's.
 
2013-04-21 12:14:26 PM

Delay: Mugato: Is he farking high?

He behaves strangely and from his looks, my guess he's plugging something.

[images.politico.com image 465x394]


See at first I assumed you meant, "selling" but now I'm not so sure.  Is "plugging" also slang for some form of drug usage (no I can guess what method thank you)?

*checks Urban DIctionary*

Go figure, I preferred the sales-related definition.

Probably because I'm boring.
 
2013-04-21 12:15:44 PM
"He told the Dallas Morning News that people are surprised to know he likes to paint. 'Of course, some people are surprised I can even read,' he said."

He's so likable.  I just want to have a beer with him.
 
2013-04-21 12:17:27 PM
This just diamond-hard proof that Dubya has not learned a damn thing from his eight years of inflicting Hell on Earth, has not an atom of remorse for what he has done, and has yet to receive even the wettest noodle of punishment for it.
 
2013-04-21 12:21:13 PM

LessO2: If Jeb were to become the Republican nominee, I could see a viable Democratic campaign based solely on the endorsement of Jeb Bush from George W.

Even if the Dems nominated a fish sandwich.


I do not know if they would actually do this, but all it would take is to point out that the last two Bush's took our nation to war and left office with the country in recession.
 
2013-04-21 12:24:24 PM
The Retardican line of succession indicates that Santorum will be 2016's candidate.  Which means that by 2020, Jeb could be next in line.

Only problem is that, by then, the complete failure that was the Bush II administration will have been laid bare for all to see for a number of years.  Time will be a detriment, rather than the amnesiac this asshole family assumes it will be.

Maybe Jeb can just find a nice closet to hide in.

/but seriously, Rebpulicans
//bring that fat motherf*cker on
///do it
 
2013-04-21 12:26:51 PM

Weaver95: No more dynasties . No more bushes, no more Clintons, no more Romney, no more kennedys. I don't want to see the same names over and over again and again. We are NOT a monarchy.


This.  Politics is NOT a family business.  Tell Jeb to find a personality of his own.
 
2013-04-21 12:30:02 PM

blastoh: LessO2: If Jeb were to become the Republican nominee, I could see a viable Democratic campaign based solely on the endorsement of Jeb Bush from George W.

Even if the Dems nominated a fish sandwich.

I do not know if they would actually do this, but all it would take is to point out that the last two Bush's took our nation to war and left office with the country in recession.


Absolutely not. If the campaigns of John Kerry and Mitt Romney taught us anything it's that a campaign based on "I'm not that guy" is insufficient.
 
2013-04-21 12:31:09 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Bush and Cheney apparently hated each other by the end of the second term,


which is why they deserve to be locked in a small windowless room together for the rest of their miserable lives.

/oh, and quit giving Cheney new hearts already
 
2013-04-21 12:32:23 PM

Coco LaFemme: Weaver95: No more dynasties . No more bushes, no more Clintons, no more Romney, no more kennedys. I don't want to see the same names over and over again and again. We are NOT a monarchy.

As long as the person elected to the run the country is educated, capable, and sensible, I don't care what their last name is, if I'm honest with you.  I don't vote at the ballot box based on the last names of the people running, I vote based on their platforms and whether or not I think they'll do a decent job in the White House.  A monarchy is hereditary rule, no elections, no campaigning.  If Hillary Clinton ran for President in 2016, are you seriously saying you wouldn't vote for her, even if she was far and away the best person for the job, simply because her husband held the post for 8 years?  Come on.


Thank you. It's easy to grab onto Weaver's emotional coattails over the whole dynasty thing, but the term doesn't really apply in Hillary's case, as subsequent to Bill's terms in office she has build her own legacy of service and accomplishment. If she runs again I will happily vote for her as I am confident she is the best qualified candidate for the job.

Jeb Bush? Now there is a clear cut case of dynasty marketing. He hasn't done jack shiat since leaving office and his name is ONLY being floated as a hook for that tiny percent of old white folks who pine for the 'good old days' under Dubya. Jesus, what a cynical job that is.
 
2013-04-21 12:34:06 PM

Princess Ryans Knickers: So Chris Christie, Elizabeth Warren, Marcus Rubio (no chance in hell), Michelle Bachmann (no chance in hell), Hillary Clinton, and Jeb Bush all running in 2016. Interesting.


Cuomo.
 
2013-04-21 12:34:09 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: I wish this family would just go the way of the Kennedys.


i.imgur.com

Well, they could let Laura drive more often.
 
2013-04-21 12:35:51 PM

TheBigJerk: nekom: UNC_Samurai: nekom: All the political capital in the world after 9/11, the full support of the nation for the most part, huge approval ratings, etc.   Then Iraq.  If it weren't for that, his legacy would be pretty decent.  But, well we all know what happened after that.

And Katrina.  And helping push the economy off the cliff.

Katrina could be forgiven as incompetence. The economy is only partially the responsibility of the President. Iraq though? All him. Well, perhaps moreso Cheney but still, that was no screw up, that was an intentional clusterfark.

Do you mean in terms of politics or in terms of leadership?

Dubya did practically EVERYTHING wrong.  From stirring shiat in Israel to practically giving a handjob to China; from Faith-based initiatives to speeches saying, "a terrorist attack's coming,  but I won't tell you where, boogity boo!"  From tax cuts to Hurricane Katrina; From deregulation of banks (hell, everything) to Wall Street Bailouts; his list of failures is epic.  But the only one people remember, the only one that people care about and admit HE (still won't admit "we" despite a majority of Americans supporting invasion in 2003 and a majority claiming they "never supported it" in 2007) invaded Iraq.

Like tagging Al Capone for Tax Evasion, it may be the best we can get.  But like that age-old example it's frustrating that a man with so many demonstrably terrible policies is only tarred and feathered with his least exciting failure.  The whole country (or at least a majority) was behind the invasion and dancing with glee as the mighty US army stomped all over Saddam's shiatty army.  Of all his many, many failings Iraq is the stone-blind-retarded policy farkup that the rest of the nation most shares blame for, yet it is the one Bush is most blamed for.  He's practically a scapegoat (okay, maybe that's too far) and while he's still MILES away from "innocent" on the topic, he is about as close as he ever gets.

I never supported invasion of Iraq ...


Well put.
 
2013-04-21 12:37:11 PM
I continue to be absolutely convinced that GWB never actually wanted to be President.

He wanted to SAY he was President in the same way a 6 year old says he wants to be President.  But he didn't want to do the work.  And with the people that surrounded him, he didn't have to.
 
2013-04-21 12:38:16 PM

Stone Meadow: Coco LaFemme: Weaver95: No more dynasties . No more bushes, no more Clintons, no more Romney, no more kennedys. I don't want to see the same names over and over again and again. We are NOT a monarchy.

As long as the person elected to the run the country is educated, capable, and sensible, I don't care what their last name is, if I'm honest with you.  I don't vote at the ballot box based on the last names of the people running, I vote based on their platforms and whether or not I think they'll do a decent job in the White House.  A monarchy is hereditary rule, no elections, no campaigning.  If Hillary Clinton ran for President in 2016, are you seriously saying you wouldn't vote for her, even if she was far and away the best person for the job, simply because her husband held the post for 8 years?  Come on.

Thank you. It's easy to grab onto Weaver's emotional coattails over the whole dynasty thing, but the term doesn't really apply in Hillary's case, as subsequent to Bill's terms in office she has build her own legacy of service and accomplishment. If she runs again I will happily vote for her as I am confident she is the best qualified candidate for the job.

Jeb Bush? Now there is a clear cut case of dynasty marketing. He hasn't done jack shiat since leaving office and his name is ONLY being floated as a hook for that tiny percent of old white folks who pine for the 'good old days' under Dubya. Jesus, what a cynical job that is.


Thanks to you both.  Or I guess, THIS to you both.

While I'm also not crazy about having another president named Clinton, I think Hilary would do a fantastic job.  I just wish she weren't as old as she is.  Or as old as she would be by the time she ran.  But maybe that's not a huge deal.

And, Weaver, I totally get where you're coming from.  But if the country endured another "name-repeat" presidency, at least it would be with one where the precedent (ha!) actually knew what the f*ck he was doing and left the country in tremendously better shape than he found it.
 
2013-04-21 12:41:04 PM

Doktor_Zhivago: teto85: [blu.stb.s-msn.com image 628x316]

I always thought that was the greatest thing about America.. You can go from the most powerful man in the world to eccentric old man who everyone laughs at the second you leave office.  It's pretty unique in world history tbh.

Also he sucks at painting.


You know who else should have just stuck with shiatty paintings instead of getting into politics?

/That's right- Taft!
 
2013-04-21 12:41:18 PM
Dubya will go down as the stupidest president in history.  Oh, I suppose folks like Cal Thomas and Charles Krauthammer will remember him "kindly," but that's about it.  If Jeb ran, it would be even worse for Dubya, because Jeb will appear to be able to walk and chew a pretzel at the same time.  And who doesn't have to bring his fingerpaintings to mommy for approval.
 
2013-04-21 12:41:41 PM
WIth enough thrust, pigs fly just fine.
 
2013-04-21 12:42:43 PM

Cargo: The Retardican line of succession indicates that Santorum will be 2016's candidate


I'm not convinced this will be the case. Sure, past trends indicate that this will possibly be the case, though I think it overlooks just how awful the 2012 Republican field was and how little the Republican base really liked Romney.  I'm sure Santorum will run in 2016 and may even be an initial frontrunner, but I think the field will be  stronger* than 2012 and Santorum will have been largely politically irrelevant (read: out of office) for a decade; to say nothing of his inability to win his home state in 2012.


* relatively. This is even factoring in a heavily-baggaged Jeb Bush.
 
2013-04-21 12:43:47 PM

Weaver95: No more dynasties . No more bushes, no more Clintons, no more Romney, no more kennedys. I don't want to see the same names over and over again and again. We are NOT a monarchy.


Weaver95,

Think about this: From 1952-2004 there was only ONE national election that did not have a Nixon, Dole, or Bush on the ticket, either as the VP or POTUS candidate.  (The 1964 candidacy of Goldwater/Miller)
 
2013-04-21 12:45:46 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: If it's Bush vs. Clinton again I'm done with you America.

 
2013-04-21 12:46:38 PM

DoctorOfLove: WIth enough thrust, pigs fly just fine.


One of my favorite sayings.
 
2013-04-21 12:47:19 PM
well in george's silver spoon world, all you have to do is hope and pray.
 
2013-04-21 12:48:41 PM

The Lone Gunman: I continue to be absolutely convinced that GWB never actually wanted to be President.

He wanted to SAY he was President in the same way a 6 year old says he wants to be President.  But he didn't want to do the work.  And with the people that surrounded him, he didn't have to.


No, I think GWB wanted to be president/king where he could give orders and people had to follow them because he was supreme. He didn't need to work to understand things because he could rely on his superior gut instincts which were guided by God. Of course such an idiot is easy to manipulate, as was Reagan.
 
2013-04-21 12:50:05 PM

Rann Xerox: thomas666: He's too dumb to realize the blood on his hands...sleeps well at night I'm sure. Not a bit of atonement. Not a bit of humility.

Just ponder how well this simulcrum of a human being grabs his Z's:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 450x600]



ole' dick cheney just gave his nuts a tug and rub when he read this story.
 
2013-04-21 12:52:35 PM

LessO2: If Jeb were to become the Republican nominee, I could see a viable Democratic campaign based solely on the endorsement of Jeb Bush from George W.

Even if the Dems nominated a fish sandwich.



the Repugs could have Jesus Christ himself as their nominee and i'd still vote Democrat.
 
2013-04-21 12:54:22 PM
i do love Bush, but not the Bushes.   this Nation cannot afford another blue blood peter puffer in the White House.
 
2013-04-21 12:56:50 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: I still blame Barbara for raising social-ladder climbing sociopaths.



its not all her fault.  this Nation does a great job of growing social ladder sociopaths who'll stop at nothing to get what they want (and deserve, of course)

wall street is very fertile soil for growing criminal financial grub worms.
 
2013-04-21 12:58:06 PM
I'm sure there are a lot of our troops that would have liked to learn how to paint in their older years.
 
2013-04-21 12:59:34 PM

Vlad_the_Inaner: ecmoRandomNumbers: I wish this family would just go the way of the Kennedys.

[i.imgur.com image 250x189]

Well, they could let Laura drive more often.


With a speedballing George W as navigator.
 
2013-04-21 01:08:39 PM

FeedTheCollapse: Cargo: The Retardican line of succession indicates that Santorum will be 2016's candidate

I'm not convinced this will be the case. Sure, past trends indicate that this will possibly be the case, though I think it overlooks just how awful the 2012 Republican field was and how little the Republican base really liked Romney.  I'm sure Santorum will run in 2016 and may even be an initial frontrunner, but I think the field will be  stronger* than 2012 and Santorum will have been largely politically irrelevant (read: out of office) for a decade; to say nothing of his inability to win his home state in 2012.


* relatively. This is even factoring in a heavily-baggaged Jeb Bush.


I admit that I too would be surprised--shocked--if Santorum ended up being the final candidate.  But when the party is doing anything it can to hold on to the inexplicably "necessary" god-and-gun goons, what they'll end up doing is anybody's guess, and could likely defy any logical explanation.
 
2013-04-21 01:14:39 PM
Bush's legacy will be: Ramping up to invade Iraq the moment he got into office, being completely clueless that 9/11 was coming, getting diverted into a successful invasion, but godawful occupation of Afghanistan, and then getting back to his original goal of invading Iraq to make his daddy proud of him by lying and exaggerating Iraq's capabilities and ties to terrorism, which was fueled by an extremist form of Christianism that made Bush and his buddies believe God was guiding their every move. Bush and every other member of his administration should be in prison. Thousands of dead Americans, 100,000+ dead Iraqis, and a trillion dollars of our money GONE for A LIE.

If it weren't for the crime of invading Iraq for no farking reason, his legacy would be the massive encroachment of Christian Fundamentalism into our personal lives through laws and judicial appointments, which delayed civil rights and science progress for a decade.
 
2013-04-21 01:15:10 PM
img337.imageshack.us
 
2013-04-21 01:20:44 PM
George W. Bush hopes his brother Jeb will run for President in 2016

. . . and make George look good by comparison.
 
2013-04-21 01:24:49 PM
So where are all the Bush supporters in this thread?
 
2013-04-21 01:27:50 PM

Mugato: So where are all the Bush supporters in this thread?



weird how that works.   after bush's second term, i could'nt find anyone who voted for bush and i live in a solidly republican southern state (60% repug, 40% Dem)

ahhh,  i just answered my own riddle.  the key word is 'southern'.   now it makes sense.    snicker.
 
2013-04-21 01:27:56 PM

shower_in_my_socks: Thousands of dead Americans, 100,000+ dead Iraqis, and a trillion dollars of our money GONE for A LIE.


For me, I always fall back on the "Shock and Awe" bombing of Baghdad.  Watching Wolf Blitzer barely able to hide his chubby, all I could think was, "We're bombing the shiat out of a non-military target that we're going to have to spend a decade rebuilding, and we're doing it to have an excuse to be there for a decade".

Every aspect of the war, from ignoring the Powell Doctrine from the beginning, to always underestimating the cost and resistance, to disallowing photos of coffins or wounded soldiers,  to lowering taxes to "rally the base" while keeping trillions off the books (which the "liberal" media conveniently refused to mention), was done with complete disregard for the military personnel involved and the long-term consequences of the effects on the economy of this country.

fark this guy.  fark his brother.  fark his whole farking family, and fark the 1%ers like them that think this nation is theirs to own and rule.
 
2013-04-21 01:28:20 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Princess Ryans Knickers: So Chris Christie, Elizabeth Warren, Marcus Rubio (no chance in hell), Michelle Bachmann (no chance in hell), Hillary Clinton, and Jeb Bush all running in 2016. Interesting.

Deval Patrick gave a great speech at last year's DNC and has recently gotten a lot national coverage since Chechans bombed his state. I'm sure there are wranglings behind the scene to position him for a run at 2016 if he wants to do that.


Why not it worked for Guiliani. Just because someone was on your talkie box doesn't mean they will be the next president. Thats as dumb as the freepers having conniptions because "Moochele" is sure fire doggone gonna be the rat' nominee in 2016 provided 0bunwarmer allows an election to be held.
 
2013-04-21 01:29:06 PM

Mugato: So where are all the Bush supporters in this thread?


Linux_Yes said he loved Bush

/but not Bushes
 
2013-04-21 01:31:39 PM
In a world where justice is not an abstract concept, Bush would have been prosecuted for war crimes, or at the very least, criminal negligence for Katrina.  Instead, we get to see his sorry ass painting and smiling.  He should be in prison for what he did to the country and ... well, several other countries.

\fly on over to Spain, George, just for a bit
 
2013-04-21 01:36:22 PM
It's a national tragedy that this man and his cohorts are not in jail. A true failure of justice that the USA is becoming known for.
 
2013-04-21 01:53:25 PM

Epoch_Zero: It's a national tragedy that this man and his cohorts are not in jail. A true failure of justice that the USA is becoming known for.




well, this is a country that let's Ollie North have a "poilitical show" on a cable network
 
2013-04-21 01:55:02 PM

one of those: MBrady: Relatively Obscure: Unrelated except for one picture, but I think I just may stop voting for any candidate who, at any time, rolls up his or her shirt sleeves.

then I guess you better stop voting for 0, since whenever he goes to a blue collar area, he doesn't have his spiffy jacket and tie on - and his sleeves are rolled up.   You know, so he can look like his is part of the working class and that he cares about you.

You've got me convinced. I'll never vote for Obama again.


damn. too bad you wont have another chance to screw things up even more.

oh wait, there is always hillary
 
2013-04-21 01:56:31 PM

invictus2: Epoch_Zero: It's a national tragedy that this man and his cohorts are not in jail. A true failure of justice that the USA is becoming known for.

well, this is a country that let's Ollie North have a "poilitical show" on a cable network


Touche.
 
2013-04-21 02:04:43 PM

MBrady: oh wait, there is always hillary


Yes, thank goodness...there sure is!

/maybe after 8 years of Hillary the gop will have grown up a bit and be worthy of consideration
 
2013-04-21 02:17:13 PM

MBrady: Relatively Obscure: Unrelated except for one picture, but I think I just may stop voting for any candidate who, at any time, rolls up his or her shirt sleeves.

then I guess you better stop voting for 0, since whenever he goes to a blue collar area, he doesn't have his spiffy jacket and tie on - and his sleeves are rolled up.   You know, so he can look like his is part of the working class and that he cares about you.


Can do!
 
2013-04-21 02:21:41 PM
Princess Ryans Knickers: So Chris Christie, Elizabeth Warren, Marcus Rubio (no chance in hell), Michelle Bachmann (no chance in hell), Hillary Clinton, and Jeb Bush all running in 2016. Interesting.
==========================================================

Chris Christie has no chance in hell because he's seen as 'too moderate'.

Elizabeth Warren, sad to say, is too liberal for the populace. There's a hope that she might motivate the base by being an actual liberal, unlike Obama, but she'll get zero cross-over or independent votes, which in the USA makes it impossible to win.

Rubio and Bachmann are too extreme to even bat an eyelash at.

Jeb Bush is a Bush. Need I say more?

Hilary would have a great shot, but she's said about 150 times she won't run.
 
2013-04-21 02:30:20 PM

MBrady: then I guess you better stop voting for 0 O, since whenever he goes to a blue collar area, he doesn't have his spiffy jacket and tie on - and his sleeves are rolled up. You know, so he can look like his is part of the working class and that he cares about you.


I know he does, and it's also annoying coming from him.  And rest assured, he is NOT getting my vote in 2016.
 
2013-04-21 02:32:34 PM

Linux_Yes: Mugato: So where are all the Bush supporters in this thread?


weird how that works.   after bush's second term, i could'nt find anyone who voted for bush and i live in a solidly republican southern state (60% repug, 40% Dem)

ahhh,  i just answered my own riddle.  the key word is 'southern'.   now it makes sense.    snicker.


I know of people.  Not really friends with them, but I know people who did.  I know of more who admit to voting for him the first time and who were pissed off - mainly at themselves, actually - for being "hoodwinked" the first time around.  Mostly older Christian historically Republican white folks.

/blue-purple stater
 
2013-04-21 02:38:16 PM

jake3988: Hilary would have a great shot, but she's said about 150 times she won't run.


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-04-21 02:40:30 PM

MBrady: Relatively Obscure: Unrelated except for one picture, but I think I just may stop voting for any candidate who, at any time, rolls up his or her shirt sleeves.

then I guess you better stop voting for 0, since whenever he goes to a blue collar area, he doesn't have his spiffy jacket and tie on - and his sleeves are rolled up.   You know, so he can look like his is part of the working class and that he cares about you.


www.twinfinite.net

Unavailable for comment
 
2013-04-21 02:40:33 PM

Relatively Obscure: Unrelated except for one picture, but I think I just may stop voting for any candidate who, at any time, rolls up his or her shirt sleeves.


I don't mind the rolling up the sleeves, because I do it all the time myself. However, I won't vote for anyone who thinks a tattersall check shirt means approachable and casual. Look at Romney and Ryan--never before has the tattersall-asshole Venn diagram been such a perfect circle.
 
2013-04-21 02:48:44 PM
Well, so far Bush did far better than Obama has done even if you buy the liberals cherry picked facts to make things look better than they actually are.
 
2013-04-21 02:55:44 PM

randomjsa: Well, so far Bush did far better than Obama has done even if you buy the liberals cherry picked facts to make things look better than they actually are.


This is the single dumbest thing ever posted on the internet. Ever.
 
2013-04-21 02:55:50 PM

randomjsa: Well, so far Bush did far better than Obama has done even if you buy the liberals cherry picked facts to make things look better than they actually are.


Sure, if your name is Bin Laden.
 
2013-04-21 03:07:19 PM

randomjsa: Well, so far Bush did far better than Obama has done even if you buy the liberals cherry picked facts to make things look better than they actually are.


farm5.staticflickr.com
 
2013-04-21 03:14:59 PM

Mugato: So where are all the Bush supporters in this thread?


I have been dating an Asian woman recently. I support.
 
2013-04-21 03:15:29 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Mostly older Christian historically Republican white folks.


Not every Christian is Republican, no matter how much some wish to make it appear so.
And I don't have to regret voting for Dubya because I didn't...ever.
 
2013-04-21 03:15:44 PM

TV's Vinnie: This just diamond-hard proof that Dubya has not learned a damn thing from his eight years of inflicting Hell on Earth, has not an atom of remorse for what he has done, and has yet to receive even the wettest noodle of punishment for it.


Came here to make this point. I've owned Goldfish with more self awareness than Dumbya.

Getting a little tired of the "History will judge me kindly thing" too. It hasn't. It won't.
 
2013-04-21 03:17:00 PM

Vlad_the_Inaner: Linux


I.O.W.   FurrBurger.   Bearded Clam,   Whisker Biscuit
 
2013-04-21 03:19:23 PM

randomjsa: Well, so far Bush did far better than Obama has done even if you buy the liberals cherry picked facts to make things look better than they actually are.


www.dinntrophy.com
 
2013-04-21 03:20:09 PM
Really.  I mean, there's trolling, and then there's that.  You know what, to hell with it, someone needs to say it.

(clicks "show ignored users", hits refresh)

randomjsa: Well, so far Bush did far better than Obama has done even if you buy the liberals cherry picked facts to make things look better than they actually are.


SHUT THE FARK UP, RANDOMJSA/LIBBYNOMORE2, YOU THREADSHIATTING ALT.  ALL YOU HAVE DONE FOR YEARS IS STINK UP THIS PLACE WITH YOUR FECES FLINGING.  GO THE FARK AWAY, AND TAKE YOUR HAREM OF ALTS WITH YOU!

You add absolutely NOTHING to discourse on this site, and I can't be anywhere near the only one whose tired of you pissing in the village well.  You're not even entertaining; you're like a goddamn bot designed to find threads and spit out garbage that encourages other wankstains.  Seriously, go the fark away and NEVER come back!

/that felt good
 
2013-04-21 03:22:57 PM
www.ascendancy.net
 
2013-04-21 03:25:08 PM

UNC_Samurai: Really.  I mean, there's trolling, and then there's that.  You know what, to hell with it, someone needs to say it.

(clicks "show ignored users", hits refresh)

randomjsa: Well, so far Bush did far better than Obama has done even if you buy the liberals cherry picked facts to make things look better than they actually are.

SHUT THE FARK UP, RANDOMJSA/LIBBYNOMORE2, YOU THREADSHIATTING ALT.  ALL YOU HAVE DONE FOR YEARS IS STINK UP THIS PLACE WITH YOUR FECES FLINGING.  GO THE FARK AWAY, AND TAKE YOUR HAREM OF ALTS WITH YOU!

You add absolutely NOTHING to discourse on this site, and I can't be anywhere near the only one whose tired of you pissing in the village well.  You're not even entertaining; you're like a goddamn bot designed to find threads and spit out garbage that encourages other wankstains.  Seriously, go the fark away and NEVER come back!

/that felt good


I'm glad that made you feel good. Now here is a little something to make you feel even better: Bush so poisoned the waters for the GOP that they already know they can't beat Hillary in 2016.

I think I'll go crack a cold one... :^)
 
2013-04-21 03:31:46 PM

nekom: All the political capital in the world after 9/11, the full support of the nation for the most part, huge approval ratings, etc.  Then Iraq.  If it weren't for that, his legacy would be pretty decent.  But, well we all know what happened after that.


It seems likely to me that if it hadn't been Iraq it would have been something else.  He was a very bad president, very malleable and surrounded by evil people.

He must have done something worthwhile, but I can't remember anything.
 
2013-04-21 03:31:59 PM

Stone Meadow: I'm glad that made you feel good. Now here is a little something to make you feel even better: Bush so poisoned the waters for the GOP that they already know they can't beat Hillary in 2016.

I think I'll go crack a cold one... :^)


I tend to agree with Weaver, though - the best thing that can happen in politics is fresh blood.  Nobody thought of Clinton six months after H.W. Bush's election in 1988.  Obama really didn't emerge nationally until 2004.  Instead of Clinton or Biden I'd like to see some newer faces.  Ideally, I'd like for Elizabeth Warren to run, but there's still too much wharrgarbl in the national voting population to elect someone that liberal.  My second tier of choices would include Martin O'Malley, Deval Patrick, Cory Booker, or Julio Castro.  Castro might need some seasoning at the gubernatorial or congressional level first, though.
 
2013-04-21 03:38:45 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Weaver95: No more dynasties . No more bushes, no more Clintons, no more Romney, no more kennedys. I don't want to see the same names over and over again and again. We are NOT a monarchy.

This.  Politics is NOT a family business.  Tell Jeb to find a personality of his own.


Actually, politics IS very often a family business, though it's not really a closed system, other people can join comparability easily. Thing is, if you grow up with people inside the system, you grow up with everything utterly demystified. You get to know how shiat works. Behind the scenes, there is far more complexity and far more moving parts than you see in the news, both for good and for bad. And I'm not talking about scheming, I'm talking about the nitty-grity of how laws are written and tailored, how minor little tweaks affect outcomes considerably, exactly where and when important fights happen, how messaging works- it's interesting and complicated, and until you crack into the system, it's really hard to grasp. But if you grow up in a political family, you have a shortcut. You don't have to grow up, get a degree, get lucky enough to find a job or even an internship on the Hill or inside the White House- you have a short cut. You know a good amount of the insider stuff before you hit high school, and you understand what the profession actually is before you start making decisions about what you want to study, or what you might want to do with your life.

Politics is a tad odd that most people don't have the slightest idea of how things work before you experience it from the inside firsthand- what you see on the news or in popular media really can't teach you. Shows like The West Wing or some of the dorkier talk shows can help, but the political process itself is still only ancillary to what they're trying to do- tell a story, or present and advocate for policy issues. You're not going to get haggling over FCC Spectrum Auctions and the assignment of broadband spectrum, is what I'm saying. But if you grow up in the midst of it, you get to know before you decide whether or not you want to enter the business yourself.

Piggybacking on the power of a name is only a small part of it. It's just that people who know the inside of the business are far more likely to want to get into it.
 
2013-04-21 03:41:45 PM

randomjsa: Well, so far Bush did far better than Obama has done

                  Other than an occassional slip of the tongue he was was amazing with foreign affairs.

                                         i812.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-21 03:44:54 PM

UNC_Samurai: Stone Meadow: I'm glad that made you feel good. Now here is a little something to make you feel even better: Bush so poisoned the waters for the GOP that they already know they can't beat Hillary in 2016.

I think I'll go crack a cold one... :^)

I tend to agree with Weaver, though - the best thing that can happen in politics is fresh blood.  Nobody thought of Clinton six months after H.W. Bush's election in 1988.  Obama really didn't emerge nationally until 2004.  Instead of Clinton or Biden I'd like to see some newer faces.  Ideally, I'd like for Elizabeth Warren to run, but there's still too much wharrgarbl in the national voting population to elect someone that liberal.  My second tier of choices would include Martin O'Malley, Deval Patrick, Cory Booker, or Julio Castro.  Castro might need some seasoning at the gubernatorial or congressional level first, though.


Booker is going to put some time in in the Senate first. He'll be running for taking Lautenberg's seat in 2014, and will probably put some time in there, first. He'll be 54 11 years from now, still plenty young. He'll be in line for the 2024 run and beyond, giving Hillary her 2016/20 nominations.
 
2013-04-21 03:46:35 PM

Weaver95: No more dynasties . No more bushes, no more Clintons, no more Romney, no more kennedys. I don't want to see the same names over and over again and again. We are NOT a monarchy.


How are the Clintons a dynasty?
The Bushes are on gen 3 and Kennedies on gen 4.
When Chelsea's kid sits in the WH, then cry about dynasties.
The Clintons are a power-couple from Hell, ut not a Bush-like dynasty.
 
2013-04-21 03:51:13 PM

TheBigJerk: Dubya did practically EVERYTHING wrong. From stirring shiat in Israel to practically giving a handjob to China; from Faith-based initiatives to speeches saying, "a terrorist attack's coming, but I won't tell you where, boogity boo!" From tax cuts to Hurricane Katrina; From deregulation of banks (hell, everything) to Wall Street Bailouts; his list of failures is epic.


I'd like to point out that you forgot "No Child Left Behind" ... which essentially flushed the toilet on our most promising young minds in the quest for mediocrity.
 
2013-04-21 03:53:20 PM
Funny thing is, I've heard a few Republicans saying "Let's hear Jeb out. He's the smart one."
Yet they don't realize that is a tacit admission that they voted not once, but twice, for "the dumb one."
 
2013-04-21 03:54:21 PM

cptjeff: Booker is going to put some time in in the Senate first. He'll be running for taking Lautenberg's seat in 2014, and will probably put some time in there, first. He'll be 54 11 years from now, still plenty young. He'll be in line for the 2024 run and beyond, giving Hillary her 2016/20 nominations.


Assuming he's still unmarried, would he get enough votes from "social conservatives" to win?

/ I don't care if a serving President is single, but I bet the Fundies do...
// aging demographics in 11 years may render my question moot...
 
2013-04-21 03:56:01 PM

UNC_Samurai: I tend to agree with Weaver, though - the best thing that can happen in politics is fresh blood.  Nobody thought of Clinton six months after H.W. Bush's election in 1988.  Obama really didn't emerge nationally until 2004.  Instead of Clinton or Biden I'd like to see some newer faces.  Ideally, I'd like for Elizabeth Warren to run, but there's still too much wharrgarbl in the national voting population to elect someone that liberal.  My second tier of choices would include Martin O'Malley, Deval Patrick, Cory Booker, or Julio Castro.  Castro might need some seasoning at the gubernatorial or congressional level first, though.


I don't disagree with a single thing you said, but each President comes in his or her time, and not before. That's why Warren or Booker will not be ready for '16. It isn't their time yet. Or maybe it's more accurate to acknowledge...as the Republicans are doing...that's it's Hillary's time. Another 8 years will give the aspiring candidates that much more time to mature into what we will need from them as leaders.

It will also give the GOP time to grow and reflect, which our country desperately needs. A unitary government over the long haul is not a healthy thing, but IMO the GOP as it stands now is unfit to rule, so I hope to see them back again.
 
2013-04-21 04:05:33 PM

Serious Post on Serious Thread: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: If it's Bush vs. Clinton again I'm done with you America.


I was thinking of speaking up before, but now that you've repeated it I have to ask:

When was it ever Bush vs. Clinton?
 
2013-04-21 04:08:29 PM
The GOP has moved so far to the right that even the retarded two-term President would most likely not be able to win the GOP nomination for President so there's no hope for Jeb to win the GOP nomination (which is a good thing as the Bush family should be in prison).

The GOP took all the wrong lessons from their loss in 2012. Instead of seeing what everyone else saw as to why R-money was a horrible candidate, they felt he lost because he wasn't conservative enough. So look forward to Santorum/Bachmann 2016.
 
2013-04-21 04:11:14 PM

Befuddled: So look forward to Santorum/Bachmann 2016.


I know I am...
 
2013-04-21 04:12:18 PM

Befuddled: The GOP has moved so far to the right that even the retarded two-term President would most likely not be able to win the GOP nomination for President so there's no hope for Jeb to win the GOP nomination (which is a good thing as the Bush family should be in prison).

The GOP took all the wrong lessons from their loss in 2012. Instead of seeing what everyone else saw as to why R-money was a horrible candidate, they felt he lost because he wasn't conservative enough. So look forward to Santorum/Bachmann 2016.



Yeah, like anyone would trust Frothy and Marcus in the same room.
 
2013-04-21 04:14:47 PM

stoli n coke: Yeah, like anyone would trust Frothy and Marcus in the same room.


That would be like a horrifying version of the Schmitt's Gay skit.
 
2013-04-21 04:19:20 PM

stoli n coke: Funny thing is, I've heard a few Republicans saying "Let's hear Jeb out. He's the smart one."


Why does so much Republican dialogue sound like it comes from Bonanza?
 
2013-04-21 04:32:35 PM
The chance I would vote for a Republican is already zero. Jeb Bush being the possible Republican candidate I'm not voting for doesn't change that at all since I can't really reduce the chance that I would vote for a Republican any more than I already have.
 
2013-04-21 04:37:38 PM

jcooli09: When was it ever Bush vs. Clinton?

                                1992
 
2013-04-21 04:38:17 PM

randomjsa: Well, so far Bush did far better than Obama has done even if you buy the liberals cherry picked facts to make things look better than they actually are.


Is it safe to assume you're prepared with examples?
 
2013-04-21 04:40:04 PM
No more Boomer presidents, ever. Hell, less boomers in any part of government. Everything they've touched has turned to shiat.
 
2013-04-21 04:41:15 PM

Relatively Obscure: Unrelated except for one picture, but I think I just may stop voting for any candidate who, at any time, rolls up his or her shirt sleeves.


You mean you want an end to the standard shot of candidate-walking-with-his-suit-jacket-held-by-one-finger-over-his-sho ulder, rolled-up-shirt-sleeves-optional?

It's opposed ta show he's a regulah guy ready ta get down to work fer da people!
 
2013-04-21 04:42:44 PM

LessO2: If Jeb were to become the Republican nominee, I could see a viable Democratic campaign based solely on the endorsement of Jeb Bush from George W.

Even if the Dems nominated a fish sandwich.


The problem would be finding a 35 year-old fish sandwich.
 
2013-04-21 04:44:29 PM
I think they are trying to become known as the family that destroyed America. Seems as though
the job is not yet complete so they are sending in the next moron to try and finish it off.
 
2013-04-21 04:45:10 PM

jake3988: Chris Christie has no chance in hell because he's seen as 'too moderate'.


I'm somewhat inclined to agree, though I think his brash personality would really hype up the base. Granted, it would also be off-putting to pretty much everyone else, but I wouldn't count Christie out yet.

that said, I think the Republican candidate in 2016 will have some of the same problems Romney had last year: the most electable candidates will be moderates (relative to the overall GOP attitude, i should add), but will need to walk a very thin tightrope to not piss off a very extremist base.
 
2013-04-21 04:46:00 PM

randomjsa: Well, so far Bush did far better than Obama has done even if you buy the liberals cherry picked facts to make things look better than they actually are.


memeorama.com
 
2013-04-21 05:01:07 PM

Whiskey Pete: Someone once described Bush The Lesser as "incurious". Made me chortle.


That was the late Christopher Hitchens, who had even initially supported him on the Iraq War.

"[George W. Bush] is lucky to be governor of Texas. He is unusually incurious, abnormally unintelligent, amazingly inarticulate, fantastically uncultured, extraordinarily uneducated, and apparently quite proud of all these things."

Sources: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/culture-obituaries/books-o b ituaries/8960233/Christopher-Hitchens-in-quotes.html

http://hnn.us/roundup/entries/2892.html


FFS, America...no more Bush-sh*t.
 
2013-04-21 05:03:50 PM

Blink: TheBigJerk: Dubya did practically EVERYTHING wrong. From stirring shiat in Israel to practically giving a handjob to China; from Faith-based initiatives to speeches saying, "a terrorist attack's coming, but I won't tell you where, boogity boo!" From tax cuts to Hurricane Katrina; From deregulation of banks (hell, everything) to Wall Street Bailouts; his list of failures is epic.

I'd like to point out that you forgot "No Child Left Behind" ... which essentially flushed the toilet on our most promising young minds in the quest for mediocrity.


Yep, so many things I can'[t even remember or list them all, and just about every single one has champions trying to rebrand or re-sell it as a great new idea.
 
2013-04-21 05:12:47 PM
Meanwhile, in Texas...

i28.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-21 05:23:15 PM
Did subby really just say that?

rogersnider.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-04-21 05:23:29 PM

Weaver95: No more dynasties . No more bushes, no more Clintons, no more Romney, no more kennedys. I don't want to see the same names over and over again and again. We are NOT a monarchy.


"28th Amendment

"No person related by marriage, or directly related more closely than a fifth cousin, to any President of the United States of the past 50 years, shall be eligible to be President of the United States."
 
2013-04-21 05:28:03 PM

Stone Meadow: I'm glad that made you feel good. Now here is a little something to make you feel even better: Bush so poisoned the waters for the GOP that they already know they can't beat Hillary in 2016.


"Clinton brings the stature and fundraising prowess of someone who's been in Washington for 20 years. But I also think that advantage is mitigated by voters' widespread mistrust of our established political leaders," Duncan said. "Republicans should look to the 2008 primary as a guide and nominate a fresh-faced outsider [who] can create the contrast Barack Obama did. Senators Rand Paul and Ted Cruz are two of those transformative figures."
Oh please oh please.
 
2013-04-21 05:31:54 PM
www.charlock.org
 
2013-04-21 05:36:47 PM
At least Bush was hilarious to watch.
 
2013-04-21 05:46:16 PM

Weaver95: No more dynasties . No more bushes, no more Clintons, no more Romney, no more kennedys. I don't want to see the same names over and over again and again. We are NOT a monarchy.


1.bp.blogspot.com+www.marshu.com

Hard to believe there was a time when I disagreed with 95% of what you posted.
 
2013-04-21 05:49:31 PM

Forbidden Doughnut: cptjeff: Booker is going to put some time in in the Senate first. He'll be running for taking Lautenberg's seat in 2014, and will probably put some time in there, first. He'll be 54 11 years from now, still plenty young. He'll be in line for the 2024 run and beyond, giving Hillary her 2016/20 nominations.

Assuming he's still unmarried, would he get enough votes from "social conservatives" to win?

/ I don't care if a serving President is single, but I bet the Fundies do...
// aging demographics in 11 years may render my question moot...


Because he'll be drawing so many votes from the fundies to begin with?

We've elected an unmarried President before. Well, he was gay, and his long time partner had recently died, the emotional impact of which may have been a significant part of what made him such a miserable President, but...

Okay, so maybe he wouldn't want to use James Buchanan as a comparison.

Still, he's got 11 years to meet somebody and get married, I wouldn't start picking that apart as an issue until closer to the election.
 
2013-04-21 05:52:13 PM

randomjsa: Well, so far Bush did far better than Obama has done even if you buy the liberals cherry picked facts to make things look better than they actually are.




dtdstudios.com
 
2013-04-21 06:18:30 PM
If they're fit for the job and pass the qualifications and earn the seat in a fair election, I don't 'care' what their last name is.
 
2013-04-21 06:21:29 PM

Infernalist: If they're fit for the job and pass the qualifications and earn the seat in a fair election, I don't 'care' what their last name is.


You should...
 
2013-04-21 06:33:26 PM

derpy: Stone Meadow: I'm glad that made you feel good. Now here is a little something to make you feel even better: Bush so poisoned the waters for the GOP that they already know they can't beat Hillary in 2016.

"Clinton brings the stature and fundraising prowess of someone who's been in Washington for 20 years. But I also think that advantage is mitigated by voters' widespread mistrust of our established political leaders," Duncan said. "Republicans should look to the 2008 primary as a guide and nominate a fresh-faced outsider [who] can create the contrast Barack Obama did. Senators Rand Paul and Ted Cruz are two of those transformative figures."

Oh please oh please.


Exactly. In any kind of rational world the Democrats would have a difficult time repeating after 8 years of holding the White House. Yet here we are with the GOP praying it can hold the House while conceding it has no chance of winning the WH. Moreover, without the gerrymandering after the 2010 census, the GOP would be finished as a national party.
 
2013-04-21 07:02:31 PM

randomjsa: Well, so far Bush did far better than Obama has done even if you buy the liberals cherry picked facts to make things look better than they actually are.


digboston.com
 
2013-04-21 07:08:22 PM

Brontes: Infernalist: If they're fit for the job and pass the qualifications and earn the seat in a fair election, I don't 'care' what their last name is.

You should...


I 'should' have another beer.

While I'm getting my beer, why don't you elaborate on why I should give one good goddamn what someone's name is if they're fit for the job, pass the qualifications and earn the seat in a fair election.
 
2013-04-21 07:12:02 PM

Infernalist: Brontes: Infernalist: If they're fit for the job and pass the qualifications and earn the seat in a fair election, I don't 'care' what their last name is.

You should...

I 'should' have another beer.

While I'm getting my beer, why don't you elaborate on why I should give one good goddamn what someone's name is if they're fit for the job, pass the qualifications and earn the seat in a fair election.


There.  Start with the words you yourself typed, enjoy your beer, and try to remember how the past few elections have gone, and consider the phrase "false premise".

/brewery IPA myself
 
2013-04-21 07:17:57 PM
Jeb Bush:  Because America wants its gas prices to quadruple and another war to funnel cash to the Rich yet again!
 
2013-04-21 07:19:33 PM

The Lone Gunman: I continue to be absolutely convinced that GWB never actually wanted to be President.

He wanted to SAY he was President in the same way a 6 year old says he wants to be President.  But he didn't want to do the work.  And with the people that surrounded him, he didn't have to.


I believe that was the selling point his handlers (Rove in particular) emphasized to him: "Hey, don't worry, we have your back. You'll just enjoy yourself as president and we'll take care of everything."
 
2013-04-21 08:17:18 PM
If you're comparing Bushes, George has set the bar so incredibly low that Jeb looks pretty farking awesome.
 
2013-04-21 08:17:50 PM

stoli n coke: Befuddled: [...]


Yeah, like anyone would trust Frothy and Marcus in the same room.


So who's the bottom?
 
2013-04-21 08:18:04 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: /oh, and quit giving Cheney new hearts already


It isn't like they can stop him.  He does have the Sankara Stones.
 
2013-04-21 08:21:18 PM

Dwight_Yeast: Even if the Dems nominated a fish sandwich.

The problem would be finding a 35 year-old fish sandwich.


No problem as long as the fish in the sandwich was 35 years old before being turned into a filet.  Orange Roughy, perhaps?

/yeah, unsubstainable fishing of species that live longer than we do!
 
2013-04-21 08:26:50 PM

dericwater: stoli n coke: Befuddled: [...]


Yeah, like anyone would trust Frothy and Marcus in the same room.

So who's the bottom?


Frothy, of course.
 
2013-04-21 08:33:05 PM

dericwater: stoli n coke: Befuddled: [...]


Yeah, like anyone would trust Frothy and Marcus in the same room.

So who's the bottom?



Ever see the last 10 minutes of Requiem for a Dream?
 
2013-04-21 08:33:36 PM
Farking war criminal should be incarcerated.
Along with Cheney.
 
2013-04-21 08:35:23 PM

JohnnyC: The chance I would vote for a Republican is already zero. Jeb Bush being the possible Republican candidate I'm not voting for doesn't change that at all since I can't really reduce the chance that I would vote for a Republican any more than I already have.


This! It's not just the horrible, soul-dead and often brain-dead people, it's their utterly farked-up policies. Unless there's another complete identity/policy swap between the parties, my husband and I will never vote for a Republican -- state, local, or national.
 
2013-04-21 08:38:13 PM

staplermofo: Relatively Obscure: Unrelated except for one picture, but I think I just may stop voting for any candidate who, at any time, rolls up his or her shirt sleeves.

What about if they're getting ready to punch people?
Nothing says "has staplermofo's vote" like a guy who rolls up his sleeves before punching people.


OK, but he's also got to have a handlebar mustache and a bowler hat.
 
2013-04-21 09:39:32 PM

Kurmudgeon: StreetlightInTheGhetto: Mostly older Christian historically Republican white folks.

Not every Christian is Republican, no matter how much some wish to make it appear so.
And I don't have to regret voting for Dubya because I didn't...ever.


I know. However, I *am* describing most of the people who admitted to me they voted for Bush the first time.
 
2013-04-21 10:54:02 PM
Do we really need another member of the same privileged family with ties to Saudi oil barons and secret organizations to be President?

At what point do we just say, "F♥ck it. I guess we're a monarchy now."
 
2013-04-22 12:00:14 AM
I hereby swear to rise in armed rebellion, and to exhort my fellow citizens to also so rise, when another member of that incredibly corrupt criminal family dares place its name upon an American ballot.
 
2013-04-22 12:31:49 AM
*makes mystical gesture*

[hurls the entire asteroid belt at the Bush family]
 
2013-04-22 12:38:30 AM
Oops, dammit.

I meant only to hurl all the "smaller than a basketball bodies of the asteroid belt" at the Bush family.

Now I have to move all the big ones back into their orbits. I think I just upset the guys supervising the Dawn probe.
 
2013-04-22 01:34:00 AM
Exerpt from article:

"...if Jeb were to run, on his merits and his track record....So I hope he will run.'
He does have plenty of thoughts when it comes to running for office...He does not believe he will suffer from his brother's low popularity during his two terms as president."


♫ ♪ Oh oh dreeeeeam weaver...♫♪

Must be nice to live in your own little world, where 'reality' is what you want it to be...
 
2013-04-22 02:09:58 AM

clambam: Weaver95: No more dynasties . No more bushes, no more Clintons, no more Romney, no more kennedys. I don't want to see the same names over and over again and again. We are NOT a monarchy.

"28th Amendment

"No person related by marriage, or directly related more closely than a fifth cousin, to any President of the United States of the past 50 years, shall be eligible to be President of the United States."


Theodore and FDR were 5th cousins...
 
2013-04-22 02:14:51 AM
This is how I'll always remember Dubya

2.bp.blogspot.com

I know. Leave it to some annoying apologist to remind me it's a shoop. It's actually the epitome of his entire Presidency.
 
2013-04-22 05:46:05 AM

syzygy whizz: clambam: Weaver95: No more dynasties . No more bushes, no more Clintons, no more Romney, no more kennedys. I don't want to see the same names over and over again and again. We are NOT a monarchy.

"28th Amendment

"No person related by marriage, or directly related more closely than a fifth cousin, to any President of the United States of the past 50 years, shall be eligible to be President of the United States."

Theodore and FDR were 5th cousins...


Absent a time machine, not much we can do about that. We can do something about avoiding future Presidents Kennedy, Bush, Clinton and Obama. This a democracy goddamit, not an aristocracy. We need to do something before we do start issuing patents of nobility.
 
2013-04-22 07:23:47 AM

PsyLord: Weaver95: No more dynasties . No more bushes, no more Clintons, no more Romney, no more kennedys. I don't want to see the same names over and over again and again. We are NOT a monarchy.

Pretty much this.  The two Bushes guaranteed that Jeb would never be elected no matter how much more qualified he is compared to the previous ones.


Actually, Jeb guaranteed that he'd never be elected again by best to deliver Florida's electoral votes into his
brother's column in the 2000 election by any means at his disposal.
 
2013-04-22 07:29:22 AM
Typical right narrative:

A second Clinton for prez = omg political dynasties!
A third Bush for prez = USA!  USA!
 
2013-04-22 08:32:28 AM
this the same Jeb Bush that used to run Cocaine with his brother, George?
 
2013-04-22 09:12:58 AM

whidbey: This is how I'll always remember Dubya

2.bp.blogspot.com

I know. Leave it to some annoying apologist to remind me it's a shoop. It's actually the epitome of his entire Presidency.


Even so...

"Of course, some people are surprised I can even read". ~George W. Bush, April 2013
 
2013-04-22 10:36:10 AM

I found it somewhat amusing it took the GOP four years to come up with a Romney candidacy as the best they could muster against a marxist authoritarian dictator with no leadership skills. Now, I'm rolling on the floor looking at the next three years will bring.

And have they learned anything?

Nope.
 
2013-04-22 10:57:02 AM

LessO2: If Jeb were to become the Republican nominee, I could see a viable Democratic campaign based solely on the endorsement of Jeb Bush from George W.

Even if the Dems nominated a fish sandwich.


McDonald's fish sandwich or Arby's fish sandwich?
 
2013-04-22 11:04:59 AM

The Lone Gunman: I continue to be absolutely convinced that GWB never actually wanted to be President.

He wanted to SAY he was President in the same way a 6 year old says he wants to be President.  But he didn't want to do the work.  And with the people that surrounded him, he didn't have to.


Everyone has to have a job. President is the best job his resume would net. That's all.
 
2013-04-22 11:08:48 AM

Ned Stark: LessO2: If Jeb were to become the Republican nominee, I could see a viable Democratic campaign based solely on the endorsement of Jeb Bush from George W.

Even if the Dems nominated a fish sandwich.

McDonald's fish sandwich or Arby's fish sandwich?


Long John Silver's

/curve ball
 
2013-04-22 11:13:48 AM

TV's Vinnie: randomjsa: Well, so far Bush did far better than Obama has done even if you buy the liberals cherry picked facts to make things look better than they actually are.


Much like the claims ITT about bush being the worst president ever, this implies both an ignorance of the past and a profoundly unwarranted optimism for the future.
 
2013-04-22 11:18:31 AM
Jeb was always the more competent and intelligent of the two Bush brothers, and add to that his actual Spanish ability and relations with the latino community in Florida and I thought he was a much more imposing threat for the Presidency.  But he's been vehemently denying a presidential run for 16 years now, and I think at some point it's just too late to eat all those denials.
 
2013-04-22 11:36:01 AM

cefm: Jeb was always the more competent and intelligent of the two Bush brothers, and add to that his actual Spanish ability and relations with the latino community in Florida and I thought he was a much more imposing threat for the Presidency.  But he's been vehemently denying a presidential run for 16 years now, and I think at some point it's just too late to eat all those denials.


I have to believe his name would be a handicap after W.  "Bush" might as well be "Mudd" for anybody but the  Republican true believers.
 
2013-04-22 11:48:03 AM

Whiskey Pete: Someone once described Bush The Lesser as "incurious". Made me chortle.


It's actually a pretty good adjective for him, and of course the writer was probably slying alluding to "Curious George."
 
2013-04-22 05:20:58 PM

syzygy whizz: clambam: Weaver95: No more dynasties . No more bushes, no more Clintons, no more Romney, no more kennedys. I don't want to see the same names over and over again and again. We are NOT a monarchy.

"28th Amendment

"No person related by marriage, or directly related more closely than a fifth cousin, to any President of the United States of the past 50 years, shall be eligible to be President of the United States."

Theodore and FDR were 5th cousins...


Are you sure there aren't a sea of Clinton by-blows out there that will seriously reduce the candidate pool when they start marrying?
 
2013-04-22 11:55:14 PM
Terry Schiavo alone would keep Jeb out of the whitehouse.

He called out the state police to have a standoff with the county police. wtf.
 
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