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2013-04-21 09:18:39 AM
Men also have trouble pushing walls.
 
2013-04-21 09:57:02 AM
img1.fark.net
 
2013-04-21 09:57:29 AM
Someone should just put Salon out of its misery. I read Salon for 12 years, it was an excellent website for most of that time. Now it's just clownshoes.
 
2013-04-21 09:58:24 AM
...or women have a hard time articulating to to men.
 
2013-04-21 09:58:47 AM
The article pretty much makes the point that men simply haven't evolved.

I concur.
 
2013-04-21 10:00:06 AM
We just take you at your word.

<man>"are you ok?"
<woman, clearly upset>"I'm fine."
<man>.oO(I guess she wants some privacy) Ok, see you later.
<woman>WHY DIDN'T HE DO ANYTHING FOR ME!!?!?!?!?!?!
 
2013-04-21 10:00:21 AM
So.... Disregard women, acquire currency?
 
2013-04-21 10:02:34 AM
Having recently been kicked to the curb for incomprehensible reasons, I'm getting a kick etc etc.
 
2013-04-21 10:02:39 AM
Maybe we understand, but would rather watch football?
 
2013-04-21 10:03:00 AM
Every once in a while we get a glimpse of their logic, and it's frightening.
 
2013-04-21 10:03:33 AM

Garble: ...or women have a hard time articulating to to men.


No. You Must Blame Men for Everything.
 
2013-04-21 10:03:40 AM

Garble: ...or women have a hard time articulating to to men.


Guess you haven't met my ex-gf. She articulates things at about 250 dB.
 
2013-04-21 10:04:52 AM
Money.

There, understood.
 
2013-04-21 10:05:16 AM
From an evolutionary point of view, accurate interpretations of other men's, rather than women's, thoughts and intentions - especially threatening cues - may have been a factor contributing to survival in ancient times.

Makes sense. It's not like women can just say no back in the good o days.
 
2013-04-21 10:05:19 AM
Hey Subby, did you hear this one: Pete may have trouble understanding Repeat?
 
2013-04-21 10:06:13 AM

Hermione_Granger: The article pretty much makes the point that men simply haven't evolved.

I concur.


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2013-04-21 10:06:42 AM
Oh... we understand... we just don't give a rats ass...
 
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2013-04-21 10:07:13 AM
A new study reveals that men have trouble reading female facial expressions

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2013-04-21 10:08:41 AM

malle-herbert: Oh... we understand... we just don't give a rats ass...


we give a rats ass, we're just waiting for them to stop talking about completely irrelevant crap and get to the point.

We cannot watch football and listen to how you chose the blue socks over the red socks because of thread count.
 
2013-04-21 10:09:36 AM
www.physicianschoiceinsurance.com

On the scene.
 
2013-04-21 10:10:09 AM
It's evolution.  If women were coherent we'd spend too much time talking to them and less time banging them.
 
2013-04-21 10:12:06 AM

twoNineSevenFive: So.... Disregard women, acquire currency?


No, acquire currency, women regard you.
 
2013-04-21 10:13:21 AM
"You dont even care that im upset!!!"

"Well no, because youre being unreasonable."
 
2013-04-21 10:13:43 AM
My whole world is turned upside down!
 
2013-04-21 10:14:47 AM
I think we can read the signals just fine, we just stop caring after awhile.
 
2013-04-21 10:15:08 AM
I don't understand women at all. See, I'm a nice guy, I'd never ever hit a woman, and I'd do anything to make her happy. I adore women, but they always - and I mean always - run off with some jerk who's going to hit them or shame them about their appearance or whatever. I'm enough of a prick, that's my problem.
 
2013-04-21 10:15:47 AM

Fuggin Bizzy: I'm not enough of a prick, that's my problem.

 
2013-04-21 10:15:51 AM

fluffy2097: malle-herbert: Oh... we understand... we just don't give a rats ass...

we give a rats ass, we're just waiting for them to stop talking about completely irrelevant crap and get to the point.

We cannot watch football and listen to how you chose the blue socks over the red socks because of thread count.


Holy crap, no kidding. I can't count the times I've thought to myself "It's been 15 minutes of non-stop talking, and I *still* have no idea what she wants from me or what the problem is".

She: "I've got something really important to tell you"
Me: "OK"
She: "Do you remember me telling you about my cousin Gerald who lived in the city? Well it seems that one day he met this girl who had white shoes. The same type of white shoes that Jessica ordered from Eddie Bauer. Well, it seems that Eddie Bauer used to have a yearly sale on their flannel shirts; you know the ones, I use to use them for the cat bed when they got old. Anyway, Jessica's car got broken into the other day and she called me up crying. I told her to call the police, but you know how she has issue with the police due to the fact that her ex was a cop. She told me about this great place for breakfast..."

15 minutes pass

She: "... and so I told her to tell that biatch supervisor to shut the hell up and..."
Me: "What the hell is so important???"
She: "Oh. The toilet's overflowing. I think you need to fix it"
 
2013-04-21 10:17:37 AM

Abox: It's evolution.  If women were coherent we'd spend too much time talking to them and less time banging them.


So this is why my husband would rather talk to me than fark me? Fascinating....

/never thought I'd be considered too coherent..
 
2013-04-21 10:18:33 AM

Abox: It's evolution.  If women were coherent we'd spend too much time talking to them and less time banging them.


Maybe YOU would.
 
2013-04-21 10:20:00 AM

Hermione_Granger: The article pretty much makes the point that men simply haven't evolved.

I concur.


Who's got the money and power again?
 
2013-04-21 10:20:26 AM
A woman doesn't like it when a man sits around on the weekend. Yet, to her 'doing things' is having her girlfriends over and talking and drinking and SITTING AROUND ON THE WEEKEND....irrational hypocritical humans at times they are...
 
2013-04-21 10:20:41 AM

WhippingBoy: Holy crap, no kidding. I can't count the times I've thought to myself "It's been 15 minutes of non-stop talking, and I *still* have no idea what she wants from me or what the problem is".


She just wants you to listen. Maintain eye contact and throw in a "Really?" or "Why's that?" every so often. More often than not there isn't a problem or solution. They just want to hear "Yeah that's so inconsiderate of that other person."
 
2013-04-21 10:22:05 AM

WhippingBoy: fluffy2097: malle-herbert: Oh... we understand... we just don't give a rats ass...

we give a rats ass, we're just waiting for them to stop talking about completely irrelevant crap and get to the point.

We cannot watch football and listen to how you chose the blue socks over the red socks because of thread count.

Holy crap, no kidding. I can't count the times I've thought to myself "It's been 15 minutes of non-stop talking, and I *still* have no idea what she wants from me or what the problem is".

She: "I've got something really important to tell you"
Me: "OK"
She: "Do you remember me telling you about my cousin Gerald who lived in the city? Well it seems that one day he met this girl who had white shoes. The same type of white shoes that Jessica ordered from Eddie Bauer. Well, it seems that Eddie Bauer used to have a yearly sale on their flannel shirts; you know the ones, I use to use them for the cat bed when they got old. Anyway, Jessica's car got broken into the other day and she called me up crying. I told her to call the police, but you know how she has issue with the police due to the fact that her ex was a cop. She told me about this great place for breakfast..."

15 minutes pass

She: "... and so I told her to tell that biatch supervisor to shut the hell up and..."
Me: "What the hell is so important???"
She: "Oh. The toilet's overflowing. I think you need to fix it"


The trick is to wait for pauses and say "uh-huh" or "yeah" and "that's understandable"

You can keep them going for hours and they have no idea you aren't paying attention.

/Just don't get so comfortable you aren't listening for the surprise question that will fark over your entire game if you can't answer.
 
2013-04-21 10:22:13 AM

Hermione_Granger: The article pretty much makes the point that men simply haven't evolved.

I concur.


So what are you trying to say?
 
2013-04-21 10:23:39 AM
Would this be an appropriate place to link to that article about the lady judge that was surprised she'd have to look at gruesome crime scene photos?
 
2013-04-21 10:23:49 AM
As a woman, I must admit that they are really difficult to read & I truly feel for guys.  Women often aren't sure what they want, but they expect men to "know" what they want anyway, or "know" what they are thinking/need, etc.  They will lie that everything is "fine", when they are mad.  Then they just stew about it until they blow up.

However, it's not just with men.  They do that with each other as well.  Pretend things are ok, then biatch about each other behind their backs until they get an opportunity to stab you in the back.  Or, they will just be really catty to you, but avoid any chance to discuss any issues & deal with the problem.  Which is why all of my best friends are men, or women who are not girlie girls.

Guys are simple.  They want sex, beer & food.  Maybe a back rub too.  When they are mad, they punch each other out, sometimes literally, go have a beer & everything is fine.  So, even though I'm bi, I really prefer men.
 
2013-04-21 10:23:54 AM
It's because it seems when women are communicating, in addition to the non-verbal cues there also appears to be some kind of test or game playing with you to see how you will respond. My boss is a champion at this. Instead of just getting something done by direct communication on a topic, she will say something that will hint at what she wants, because she wants to see how the other person will respond.
 
2013-04-21 10:24:35 AM

Arachnophobe: Hermione_Granger: The article pretty much makes the point that men simply haven't evolved.

I concur.

So what are you trying to say?


That women can't compete with under evolved men.
 
2013-04-21 10:24:43 AM

fluffy2097: The trick is to wait for pauses and say "uh-huh" or "yeah" and "that's understandable"

You can keep them going for hours and they have no idea you aren't paying attention.

/Just don't get so comfortable you aren't listening for the surprise question that will fark over your entire game if you can't answer.


I've got an hour long loop of "uh-huh", "I see", and "the nerve of that biatch" recorded on my phone. In some cases (e.g. when she's doesn't even have the courtesy to come into the same room as me to "talk" to me), I just turn it on and get back to doing important things.
 
2013-04-21 10:25:14 AM
comslave: Money.

There, understood.


To be fair, looks, age, and physical fitness also plays a role.  Interesting things are far more interesting coming out of the mouth of a pretty boy trust fund kid than an old old poor fat guy.
 
2013-04-21 10:26:17 AM

chaosangel: Or, they will just be really catty to you, but avoid any chance to discuss any issues & deal with the problem.


I once listened to like a forty minute diatribe from one woman, complaining endlessly about some other woman's actions, and made the mistake of asking "So why don't you just call her up and explain this to her like a rational adult?" I've only made that mistake once.
 
2013-04-21 10:26:29 AM

s2s2s2: Arachnophobe: Hermione_Granger: The article pretty much makes the point that men simply haven't evolved.

I concur.

So what are you trying to say?

That women can't compete with under evolved men.


Wow, that's pretty sad. It must suck to be a women. How useless they must feel.
 
2013-04-21 10:27:19 AM
So, how long before A Lady Doth Protest Too Much, and mocks/questions the manhood of those of us who've been farked over by circumstances beyond our control in the Mating Game?
 
2013-04-21 10:27:25 AM
Sample size 22
 
2013-04-21 10:28:10 AM
"I expect you to know what I want, and to not try to solve my problems for me."

"Also, fix my problems for me, and quit assuming what I want all the time."
 
2013-04-21 10:29:12 AM
Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: chaosangel: Or, they will just be really catty to you, but avoid any chance to discuss any issues & deal with the problem.

I once listened to like a forty minute diatribe from one woman, complaining endlessly about some other woman's actions, and made the mistake of asking "So why don't you just call her up and explain this to her like a rational adult?" I've only made that mistake once.


I remember with my ex, when we were arguing, I'd retreat into cold reason.  This, somehow, would make her angrier.
 
2013-04-21 10:29:13 AM
Modern Family nailed it: Phil's Day at the Spa.
 
2013-04-21 10:29:25 AM
Here is an excerpt from the scientists' log:

March 2nd, 5:37 pm. Absent-mindedly tracked mud into house. Wife appeared angry, but when I asked her, she said loudly "No, I am not angry! I love cleaning up the floor!" She then stomped over to the closet. Her love of cleaning was misinterpreted as anger.

March 4th, 6:03am. Wife made simple request for information ("Does this dress make me look fat?"). I give a simple, factual answer. Wife appears hurt, but logically she must be satisfied with my answer. Another misinterpretation.

March 12th, 10:30 pm (roughly). My wife appears passionate this evening, but then suddenly asks if her mother can stay with us for a week. After I tell her my opinion, she says she is not feeling amorous. Note to self: couch needs softer cushions to sleep on.
 
2013-04-21 10:30:50 AM
Spiderweb thinking, how does it work?
 
2013-04-21 10:31:28 AM

ComicBookGuy: I remember with my ex, when we were arguing, I'd retreat into cold reason.  This, somehow, would make her angrier.


Christ man. Never use reason or logic when arguing with a woman.
 
2013-04-21 10:31:42 AM

WhippingBoy: s2s2s2: Arachnophobe: Hermione_Granger: The article pretty much makes the point that men simply haven't evolved.

I concur.

So what are you trying to say?

That women can't compete with under evolved men.

Wow, that's pretty sad. It must suck to be a women. How useless they must feel.


They "feel" like goddesses. They just live in a constant state of disappointment that everything else doesn't work like they think it should. They still expect men to make them equals. The nerve!
 
2013-04-21 10:31:46 AM
I liked it when my ex dumped me, then blamed me when things didn't get better for her. Women logic.
 
2013-04-21 10:33:26 AM
But yet most men grew up with mothers and many have sisters, aunts, grandmas. I'm not buying something about this "study".
 
2013-04-21 10:34:02 AM

s2s2s2: WhippingBoy: s2s2s2: Arachnophobe: Hermione_Granger: The article pretty much makes the point that men simply haven't evolved.

I concur.

So what are you trying to say?

That women can't compete with under evolved men.

Wow, that's pretty sad. It must suck to be a women. How useless they must feel.

They "feel" like goddesses. They just live in a constant state of disappointment that everything else doesn't work like they think it should. They still expect men to make them equals. The nerve!


I hate to say it, as it "obviously" means I hate women, but your statement is bang-on. "They live in a constant state of disappointment that everything else doesn't work like they think it should" pretty much sums up every woman I ever met.
 
2013-04-21 10:34:42 AM

WhippingBoy: ComicBookGuy: I remember with my ex, when we were arguing, I'd retreat into cold reason.  This, somehow, would make her angrier.

Christ man. Never use reason or logic when arguing with a woman.


It's not about reason or logic. It's about them.
 
2013-04-21 10:36:52 AM
FTFA "Indeed, that ability to read male faces could still prove valuable in business meetings or political showdowns. Unless, of course, your negotiating partner is a woman. So, like our taste for fatty foods, this may be another example of an evolutionarily advantageous adaptation that no longer serves us well. In the words of the 16th century proverb, the eyes are the window to the soul. But for men gazing into the eyes of women, that pane of glass is fogged over."

So some affirmative action is called for, or a return to dueling which ever.
 
2013-04-21 10:37:16 AM

KawaiiNot: But yet most men grew up with mothers and many have sisters, aunts, grandmas. I'm not buying something about this "study".


When your mom is angry at you, she screams. When your sister is being picked on too much, she cries. Grandma will come at you with a wooden switch when she's dissatisfied with your behavior. There isn't a lot you need to read in your family member's eyes in those sorts of situations. When you break your mom's favorite part off the miniature statue of David in the living room, she'll let you know exactly how she's feeling about it.

There's no "It's fine," with an implied soliloquy about how rough she's got it.
 
2013-04-21 10:37:42 AM

chaosangel: As a woman, I must admit that they are really difficult to read & I truly feel for guys.  Women often aren't sure what they want, but they expect men to "know" what they want anyway, or "know" what they are thinking/need, etc.  They will lie that everything is "fine", when they are mad.  Then they just stew about it until they blow up.

However, it's not just with men.  They do that with each other as well.  Pretend things are ok, then biatch about each other behind their backs until they get an opportunity to stab you in the back.  Or, they will just be really catty to you, but avoid any chance to discuss any issues & deal with the problem.  Which is why all of my best friends are men, or women who are not girlie girls.

Guys are simple.  They want sex, beer & food.  Maybe a back rub too.  When they are mad, they punch each other out, sometimes literally, go have a beer & everything is fine.  So, even though I'm bi, I really prefer men.


My girlfriend put on a pouty little girl wanting something face when requesting what we eat on our anniversary.

"Hey fluffy," *fidget fidget, grind toe into ground while watching it* "I was wondering if you know... since its our anniversary..."

"What do you want love?"

"Well I was wondering if we could..." *trails off and is silent for several seconds.*

"Since it's our anniversary what, love?"

"Well since it's our anniversary. could we you know... um... maybe...." *trails off again*

"I need a doing word here love. What do you want to do?"

"....Go to that Chinese place I like for dinner"

*facepalm* "Love, I will buy you dinner wherever you want. All you need to do is ask. Why did you spend 5 minutes dancing around a simple question you know I'd say yes to?"

"Naaaaa!"


/doesn't make sense.
 
2013-04-21 10:37:48 AM
Both sides are bad.
 
2013-04-21 10:39:09 AM
"Hey, hon, do you still work with Karen?"

"Karen? She took a two-week vacation, funny thing happened when she met up with her old boyfriend. Anyway.....yada, yada, yada........"

Me, ten minutes later: "So do you still work with Karen?"
 
2013-04-21 10:39:52 AM

ComicBookGuy: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: chaosangel: Or, they will just be really catty to you, but avoid any chance to discuss any issues & deal with the problem.

I once listened to like a forty minute diatribe from one woman, complaining endlessly about some other woman's actions, and made the mistake of asking "So why don't you just call her up and explain this to her like a rational adult?" I've only made that mistake once.

I remember with my ex, when we were arguing, I'd retreat into cold reason.  This, somehow, would make her angrier.


I like the word "retreat" in this context. Like logic and reason are refuges men run to when they are under assault.
 
2013-04-21 10:42:05 AM

KawaiiNot: But yetklfnvh ermmn jjusodkk nnfiooerb bhsda rgerger  "study".


*scratches head*
 
2013-04-21 10:42:58 AM
www.thezooom.com
 
2013-04-21 10:43:07 AM

Wasilla Hillbilly: Both sides are bad.


So vote Republican!
 
2013-04-21 10:43:30 AM

chaosangel: Women often aren't sure what they want, but they expect men to "know" what they want anyway, or "know" what they are thinking/need, etc.


I see a variation of this at my workplace, which is overwhelmingly female.  Some of the female supervisors get angry with their subordinates when they are doing some task that isn't what the supervisor wanted, even though the supervisor didn't actually give them any instructions in the first place.  I haven't seen that sort of behavior from any of the male supervisors.
 
2013-04-21 10:43:43 AM

dopekitty74: Abox: It's evolution.  If women were coherent we'd spend too much time talking to them and less time banging them.

So this is why my husband would rather talk to me than fark me? Fascinating....

/never thought I'd be considered too coherent..


There could be other factors.
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-04-21 10:44:24 AM

bunner: [www.thezooom.com image 640x458]


Duck, Duck Goose?
 
2013-04-21 10:44:58 AM

Arachnophobe: Hermione_Granger: The article pretty much makes the point that men simply haven't evolved.

I concur.

So what are you trying to say?


Tee hee?
 
2013-04-21 10:45:03 AM

State_College_Arsonist: chaosangel: Women often aren't sure what they want, but they expect men to "know" what they want anyway, or "know" what they are thinking/need, etc.

I see a variation of this at my workplace, which is overwhelmingly female.  Some of the female supervisors get angry with their subordinates when they are doing some task that isn't what the supervisor wanted, even though the supervisor didn't actually give them any instructions in the first place.  I haven't seen that sort of behavior from any of the male supervisors.


And these people then go on to complain about how unfair it is that they're paid less because they do "the same job as a man".
 
2013-04-21 10:45:48 AM

gaslight: Hermione_Granger: The article pretty much makes the point that men simply haven't evolved.

I concur.

Who's got the money and power again?


Men attempt to obtain power and resources to attract women. Women use men to obtain power and resources. So, which one is more concerned about power?
 
2013-04-21 10:45:51 AM
Venus.  Mars.  Orbits never intersect.
 
2013-04-21 10:46:50 AM

Omnivorous: Venus.  Mars.  Orbits never intersect.


Of course they do what's in between ?
 
2013-04-21 10:48:05 AM
Well, shiat, guys. I guess we now have 100 problems.
 
2013-04-21 10:48:47 AM

ComicBookGuy: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: chaosangel: Or, they will just be really catty to you, but avoid any chance to discuss any issues & deal with the problem.

I once listened to like a forty minute diatribe from one woman, complaining endlessly about some other woman's actions, and made the mistake of asking "So why don't you just call her up and explain this to her like a rational adult?" I've only made that mistake once.

I remember with my ex, when we were arguing, I'd retreat into cold reason.  This, somehow, would make her angrier.


Having been married 3 times now, I can attest that women do not care for logic. Try that shiat in an argument, and they get super-pissed. Real quick-like.
 
2013-04-21 10:49:56 AM
At least men TRY to understand them...women seem to be stuck in the 2 year old mentality of "MEMEMEMEMEMEMEME" these days...try getting a word in edgewise with that drum beat going through her head...

(I don't remember places I used to live outside of California being so self-centered, selfish and materialistic...maybe it's like this everywhere now.)
 
2013-04-21 10:52:09 AM
This thread is hilariously demonstrating why there are so many single men on Fark.
 
2013-04-21 10:53:50 AM

ramblinwreck: So, which one is more concerned about power?


Careful, you're about to have women taking the blame for how farked up the world is.
 
2013-04-21 10:54:01 AM

kwame: This thread is hilariously demonstrating why there are so many single men on Fark.


Don't forget all the wide swath assumptions, projections and inference!
 
2013-04-21 10:54:03 AM

kwame: This thread is hilariously demonstrating why there are so many single men on Fark.


You mean all the guys talking about their experiences with their girlfriends/wives? I'm pretty sure that that means that they're *not* single.
 
2013-04-21 10:54:07 AM

kwame: This thread is hilariously demonstrating why there are so many single men on Fark.


I suspect there are fewer than you would like to believe.
 
2013-04-21 10:55:06 AM

s2s2s2: ramblinwreck: So, which one is more concerned about power?

Careful, you're about to have women taking the blame for how farked up the world is.


Yeah right. Like that will ever happen.
 
2013-04-21 10:56:13 AM

Hermione_Granger: men simply haven't evolved.


Evolution: a concept devised and popularized by men so your meaning is unclear....
 
2013-04-21 10:58:07 AM

bunner: kwame: This thread is hilariously demonstrating why there are so many single men on Fark.

Don't forget all the wide swath assumptions, projections and inference!


Aw, that's cute, but it doesn't change anything.
 
2013-04-21 10:58:24 AM
Receptionist:

"How do you write women so well?"

Nicholson:

"I think of a man and I take away reason and accountability."
 
2013-04-21 10:58:27 AM

Lets talk frankly about internal cleanliness: Having been married 3 times now, I can attest that women do not care for logic. Try that shiat in an argument, and they get super-pissed. Real quick-like.


Because it isn't about reason or logic, to them. To them, it is about...them. And you are an evil patriarchist if you think there is any reason that is wrong.
 
2013-04-21 10:58:55 AM
I love women.  Seriously, I adore the company of women.

You know how, like, women are totally allowed to pronounce what they think a "real man" is?

About that.

We've sort of gotten our own seat at that game, now, too.  Welcome to the aftermath of the entitlement pissing contest.
 
2013-04-21 11:00:10 AM

WhippingBoy: Yeah right. Like that will ever happen.


I just get tired of the "Oh yeah, we we use you to get power n shiat!" line. If it is true, then it means women only have themselves to blame for why they can't ever seem to get enough of it.
 
2013-04-21 11:01:43 AM

kwame: Aw, that's cute, but it doesn't change anything.


Coincidence  abounds.  BTW, you chose a failed politician and indicted fraud for a user name.  Did you know?  :  ) Next tug on the  line gets your rod and reel yanked out of the boat.  Make it count.
 
2013-04-21 11:01:57 AM

kwame: Aw, that's cute, but it doesn't change anything.


The fact that more of us are happily married than you might think, does.
 
2013-04-21 11:02:10 AM

neenerist: Hermione_Granger: men simply haven't evolved.

Evolution: a concept devised and popularized by men so your meaning is unclear....


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_McClintock

would like a word.
 
2013-04-21 11:03:04 AM

s2s2s2: WhippingBoy: Yeah right. Like that will ever happen.

I just get tired of the "Oh yeah, we we use you to get power n shiat!" line. If it is true, then it means women only have themselves to blame for why they can't ever seem to get enough of it.


Oh I'm not saying it's not true. I'm just saying you'd have a better chance of reuniting the Koreas with marshmallow candy than you do getting a woman to accept responsibility for anything. The whole concept of "Patriarchy" was invented to absolve women from any responsibility whatsoever (e.g. if a woman murders her children or does something bad, just blame "patriarchy" instead of blaming the poor innocent woman).
 
2013-04-21 11:04:11 AM

s2s2s2: kwame: Aw, that's cute, but it doesn't change anything.

The fact that more of us are happily married than you might think, does.


My girlfriend is confusing, hard to understand, and slow to get to the point.

/love her anyways.
 
2013-04-21 11:04:26 AM
The only reason I try in vain to try and understand women is because I am just not attracted to other men in a sexual way.
 
2013-04-21 11:05:02 AM

albatros183: neenerist: Hermione_Granger: men simply haven't evolved.

Evolution: a concept devised and popularized by men so your meaning is unclear....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_McClintock

would like a word.


Or she will burst into tears?
 
2013-04-21 11:05:21 AM
If you aren't direct and obvious, it's harder to be held accountable for your words or actions. Maybe just the way some women want it.
 
2013-04-21 11:05:51 AM
Men objectify women.

Women try and internalize men.

Kids and dogs know better.

Anybody want a sammich?
 
2013-04-21 11:06:28 AM

s2s2s2: kwame: Aw, that's cute, but it doesn't change anything.

The fact that more of us are happily married than you might think, does.


So you're going to point out I'm making an assumption by making an assumption. Well done!
 
2013-04-21 11:06:43 AM

albatros183: would like a word.


Apparently not about the creation and popularization of the concept of evolution. Or were you just providing an illustration regarding what it is to be unclear about what someone is implying?
 
2013-04-21 11:07:10 AM
Why would we want to understand women?

Women understand women, and they hate each other.
 
2013-04-21 11:07:21 AM
media.salon.com

I'd read her facial expressions.*


*And by that I mean I would like to have sexual intercourse with her.
 
2013-04-21 11:08:03 AM

Snarfangel: albatros183: neenerist: Hermione_Granger: men simply haven't evolved.

Evolution: a concept devised and popularized by men so your meaning is unclear....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_McClintock

would like a word.

Or she will burst into tears?


Bio people aren't prone to that, to many viva-sections
 
2013-04-21 11:08:12 AM

bunner: Men objectify women.

Women try and internalize men.

Kids and dogs know better.

Anybody want a sammich?


God creates dinosaurs.

God destroys dinosaurs.

God creates man.

Man destroys God.

Man creates dinosaurs.
 
2013-04-21 11:08:15 AM
Sometimes I think women do it to us on purpose. My one friend knows that Wednesday night is game night. She knows the approx time I start the show (tabletop rpg). So last week she starts asking me about her decision to get her nipples pierced. That was it...my concentration tanked for the rest of the night. Then she sends me a "good morning" picture of the results. Took me half the day to focus on work after that.

So I think women understand men very well and just f*ck with us on purpose.
 
2013-04-21 11:09:39 AM

albatros183: Sample size 22


Yup. Strangely(?), men--despite being approximately half the population of this entire planet--are so remarkably uniform in nature, body, character, and mind, that a sample size of 22 actually yield staggeringly useful data from which we can draw totally-real-and-not-at-all-pulled-out-of-anyone's-arse conclusions.

/the more you know
 
2013-04-21 11:10:15 AM
"Excuse me, but this doesn't seen to be about, interest or include me!"

Now stop.

Focus on her.

Rinse and repeat.
 
2013-04-21 11:11:01 AM

bunner: kwame: Aw, that's cute, but it doesn't change anything.

Coincidence  abounds.  BTW, you chose a failed politician and indicted fraud for a user name.  Did you know?  :  ) Next tug on the  line gets your rod and reel yanked out of the boat.  Make it count.


That makes no sense. Try again. I'll go get some coffee while you drudge up something clever.
 
2013-04-21 11:11:20 AM
>>>ramblinwreck: gaslight: Hermione_Granger: The article pretty much makes the point that men simply haven't evolved.

>>>I concur.

>>Who's got the money and power again?

>Men attempt to obtain power and resources to attract women.


Sometimes yes and sometimes no. Mostly, it's just a happy side effect. It is hard to obtain money and power. Once you've got those, you need bat to fend women off.
 
2013-04-21 11:11:42 AM

kwame: bunner: kwame: Aw, that's cute, but it doesn't change anything.

Coincidence  abounds.  BTW, you chose a failed politician and indicted fraud for a user name.  Did you know?  :  ) Next tug on the  line gets your rod and reel yanked out of the boat.  Make it count.

That makes no sense. Try again. I'll go get some coffee while you drudge up something clever.


*yank*   : )
 
2013-04-21 11:12:04 AM

kwame: So you're going to point out I'm making an assumption by making an assumption. Well done!


I knew you were gonna say that.

fluffy2097: My girlfriend is confusing, hard to understand, and slow to get to the point.

/love her anyways.


Stop trying to understand her, realize she may never understand you, and be as patient as you want her to be. That seems to work .
 
2013-04-21 11:13:02 AM

s2s2s2: albatros183: would like a word.

Apparently not about the creation and popularization of the concept of evolution. Or were you just providing an illustration regarding what it is to be unclear about what someone is implying?


Wut?

/Also for the record I never thought you where david bowie
 
2013-04-21 11:13:42 AM

bunner: "Excuse me, but this doesn't seen to be about, interest or include me!"

Now stop.

Focus on her.

Rinse and repeat.


Heh. My wife complains that I never talk to her. The problem is that every time I try, she finds a way to direct the conversation to be about her the first chance she gets. And she's pretty good at it, too; she found a way to turn what I was saying about the properties of thermistors into how she didn't have anything to wear for my niece's upcoming wedding.
 
2013-04-21 11:16:28 AM

Weaver95: Sometimes I think women do it to us on purpose. My one friend knows that Wednesday night is game night. She knows the approx time I start the show (tabletop rpg). So last week she starts asking me about her decision to get her nipples pierced. That was it...my concentration tanked for the rest of the night. Then she sends me a "good morning" picture of the results. Took me half the day to focus on work after that.

So I think women understand men very well and just f*ck with us on purpose.


should have just had her come over, two brains are better than one and if X is greater than two must be better, what could go wrong?
 
2013-04-21 11:17:44 AM

CowardlyLion: albatros183: Sample size 22

Yup. Strangely(?), men--despite being approximately half the population of this entire planet--are so remarkably uniform in nature, body, character, and mind, that a sample size of 22 actually yield staggeringly useful data from which we can draw totally-real-and-not-at-all-pulled-out-of-anyone's-arse conclusions.

/the more you know


I HAVE STUDDIED IT OUT!
 
2013-04-21 11:18:34 AM

albatros183: Weaver95: Sometimes I think women do it to us on purpose. My one friend knows that Wednesday night is game night. She knows the approx time I start the show (tabletop rpg). So last week she starts asking me about her decision to get her nipples pierced. That was it...my concentration tanked for the rest of the night. Then she sends me a "good morning" picture of the results. Took me half the day to focus on work after that.

So I think women understand men very well and just f*ck with us on purpose.

should have just had her come over, two brains are better than one and if X is greater than two must be better, what could go wrong?


Also, while men may have trouble reading female eye signals, pics of her tits are easier to interpret.
 
2013-04-21 11:19:22 AM

albatros183: Wut?

/Also for the record I never thought you where david bowie


static.guim.co.uk

24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-04-21 11:19:28 AM

albatros183: Weaver95: Sometimes I think women do it to us on purpose. My one friend knows that Wednesday night is game night. She knows the approx time I start the show (tabletop rpg). So last week she starts asking me about her decision to get her nipples pierced. That was it...my concentration tanked for the rest of the night. Then she sends me a "good morning" picture of the results. Took me half the day to focus on work after that.

So I think women understand men very well and just f*ck with us on purpose.

should have just had her come over, two brains are better than one and if X is greater than two must be better, what could go wrong?


She kept texting that she was really very sensitive and um...perky. Like I said, there went my concentration for about 2 days.

I think she knew what she was doing dammit.
 
2013-04-21 11:20:08 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: God creates dinosaurs.

God destroys dinosaurs.

God creates man.

Man destroys God.

Man creates dinosaurs.


Paper beats rock.
 
2013-04-21 11:21:00 AM

Weaver95: albatros183: Weaver95: Sometimes I think women do it to us on purpose. My one friend knows that Wednesday night is game night. She knows the approx time I start the show (tabletop rpg). So last week she starts asking me about her decision to get her nipples pierced. That was it...my concentration tanked for the rest of the night. Then she sends me a "good morning" picture of the results. Took me half the day to focus on work after that.

So I think women understand men very well and just f*ck with us on purpose.

should have just had her come over, two brains are better than one and if X is greater than two must be better, what could go wrong?

She kept texting that she was really very sensitive and um...perky. Like I said, there went my concentration for about 2 days.

I think she knew what she was doing dammit.


She wants to fark you, man.
 
2013-04-21 11:21:37 AM

Weaver95: albatros183: Weaver95: Sometimes I think women do it to us on purpose. My one friend knows that Wednesday night is game night. She knows the approx time I start the show (tabletop rpg). So last week she starts asking me about her decision to get her nipples pierced. That was it...my concentration tanked for the rest of the night. Then she sends me a "good morning" picture of the results. Took me half the day to focus on work after that.

So I think women understand men very well and just f*ck with us on purpose.

should have just had her come over, two brains are better than one and if X is greater than two must be better, what could go wrong?

She kept texting that she was really very sensitive and um...perky. Like I said, there went my concentration for about 2 days.

I think she knew what she was doing dammit.


You are easily distracted.
 
2013-04-21 11:21:43 AM

s2s2s2: albatros183: Wut?

/Also for the record I never thought you where david bowie

[static.guim.co.uk image 640x360]

[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x600]


Sooo...

Welcome to fark?
 
2013-04-21 11:21:44 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Weaver95: albatros183: Weaver95: Sometimes I think women do it to us on purpose. My one friend knows that Wednesday night is game night. She knows the approx time I start the show (tabletop rpg). So last week she starts asking me about her decision to get her nipples pierced. That was it...my concentration tanked for the rest of the night. Then she sends me a "good morning" picture of the results. Took me half the day to focus on work after that.

So I think women understand men very well and just f*ck with us on purpose.

should have just had her come over, two brains are better than one and if X is greater than two must be better, what could go wrong?

She kept texting that she was really very sensitive and um...perky. Like I said, there went my concentration for about 2 days.

I think she knew what she was doing dammit.

She wants to fark you, man.


To be honest I think she's still making up her mind about that.
 
2013-04-21 11:22:30 AM

Gergesa: Weaver95: albatros183: Weaver95: Sometimes I think women do it to us on purpose. My one friend knows that Wednesday night is game night. She knows the approx time I start the show (tabletop rpg). So last week she starts asking me about her decision to get her nipples pierced. That was it...my concentration tanked for the rest of the night. Then she sends me a "good morning" picture of the results. Took me half the day to focus on work after that.

So I think women understand men very well and just f*ck with us on purpose.

should have just had her come over, two brains are better than one and if X is greater than two must be better, what could go wrong?

She kept texting that she was really very sensitive and um...perky. Like I said, there went my concentration for about 2 days.

I think she knew what she was doing dammit.

You are easily distracted.


Let's just say that they are real and they are magnificent.
 
2013-04-21 11:24:27 AM

Weaver95: albatros183: Weaver95: Sometimes I think women do it to us on purpose. My one friend knows that Wednesday night is game night. She knows the approx time I start the show (tabletop rpg). So last week she starts asking me about her decision to get her nipples pierced. That was it...my concentration tanked for the rest of the night. Then she sends me a "good morning" picture of the results. Took me half the day to focus on work after that.

So I think women understand men very well and just f*ck with us on purpose.

should have just had her come over, two brains are better than one and if X is greater than two must be better, what could go wrong?

She kept texting that she was really very sensitive and um...perky. Like I said, there went my concentration for about 2 days.

I think she knew what she was doing dammit.


then give her sex or clip her from your life. choices are simple, play games IRL or don't
 
2013-04-21 11:25:12 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: KawaiiNot: But yet most men grew up with mothers and many have sisters, aunts, grandmas. I'm not buying something about this "study".

When your mom is angry at you, she screams. When your sister is being picked on too much, she cries. Grandma will come at you with a wooden switch when she's dissatisfied with your behavior. There isn't a lot you need to read in your family member's eyes in those sorts of situations. When you break your mom's favorite part off the miniature statue of David in the living room, she'll let you know exactly how she's feeling about it.

There's no "It's fine," with an implied soliloquy about how rough she's got it.


I used to flip out on family members, but that would unleash the crazy.
Now, if I'm upset I prefer to hold my tongue and think about it. Sometimes I need to work out my feelings, get over it and it's a non-issue. Sometimes I work it out and approach the issue rationally, when I'm less likely to flip out and get emotional.

Now, there's this guy I like and we've gone out a few times, and he's said we'd hang out again (giving specific days "next Sunday" etc) and when I've suggested we hang out, he says absolutely, but when it comes to the date, he's said he will confirm with me and he never does.
I've never asked him about it partly because I was pretty pissed at the time and I don't want to come across as a crazy person who would get overly upset about being blown off by someone who I wasn't exactly dating. And now it seems too late.
I guess my point is, I don't understand men. And part of the reason women say "fine" is because they don't want to come across as a crazy person, because even they know they might be overreacting.
 
2013-04-21 11:25:32 AM

albatros183: Weaver95: albatros183: Weaver95: Sometimes I think women do it to us on purpose. My one friend knows that Wednesday night is game night. She knows the approx time I start the show (tabletop rpg). So last week she starts asking me about her decision to get her nipples pierced. That was it...my concentration tanked for the rest of the night. Then she sends me a "good morning" picture of the results. Took me half the day to focus on work after that.

So I think women understand men very well and just f*ck with us on purpose.

should have just had her come over, two brains are better than one and if X is greater than two must be better, what could go wrong?

She kept texting that she was really very sensitive and um...perky. Like I said, there went my concentration for about 2 days.

I think she knew what she was doing dammit.

then give her sex or clip her from your life. choices are simple, play games IRL or don't


Nothing is ever that simple.
 
2013-04-21 11:27:12 AM
It seems to me these guy understand most women really well but still have their lives to deal with as well.

Sounds pretty close with the mememe/you should have/ you didn't.

And everything is your fault.

I'm old. I still enjoy women's company,  as long as they are not mine.
 
2013-04-21 11:27:17 AM

albatros183: Welcome to fark?


Big Hug!
 
2013-04-21 11:27:33 AM
img96.imageshack.us

Not so fast. I'm always weary of non sequitur-hungry reporters latching onto research that just happens to connect to mindless, social stereotypes (and the researchers that want them to, in order to help their funding).

- The actual report (http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0060278 ) says that men got the male emotion correct 87% of the time, and the female emotion correct 75% of the time. From that fact, this does not follow: "Men Don't Understand Women".

- The population tested was 22 men. That's on the small side.

- The original study that they based their work on (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0306453011002332) had a population size of 39 (almost double). They found men got the male emotions right 76% of the time, and women's emotions correct 70% of the time. Again, this does not follow: "Men May Not Understand Women After All". Perhaps a statistically significant result, but not substantial (small effect size, I'd guess). Interestingly, that study was looking at how a particular drug increases men's errors in evaluating negative emotions in other men, but not women.

- How do WOMEN do when evaluating both women and men?!?!?

- "Evolutionary theory" can be used to explain pretty much anything. Evolutionarily-speaking, humans need to be able to read each others' emotions - men AND women. If a man can't read a woman's emotions, he can't mate, species dies out. Blah, blah, blah...

- Depending upon how the female data came out, another way of framing this result might be: "Men understand women just as well as women understand men. However, they are exceptional at interpreting negative emotions in other men." Not surprisingly, you can make an explanation for this based on "evolutionary theory" too.

- A quick aside: They painted a very simplistic notion of the amygdala in the article. Lookup "Kluver-Bucy syndrome" (bilateral amygdala damage) to see just how simplistic it was.

/not impressed, science
//not surprised, media
 
2013-04-21 11:28:52 AM

Weaver95: albatros183: Weaver95: albatros183: Weaver95: Sometimes I think women do it to us on purpose. My one friend knows that Wednesday night is game night. She knows the approx time I start the show (tabletop rpg). So last week she starts asking me about her decision to get her nipples pierced. That was it...my concentration tanked for the rest of the night. Then she sends me a "good morning" picture of the results. Took me half the day to focus on work after that.

So I think women understand men very well and just f*ck with us on purpose.

should have just had her come over, two brains are better than one and if X is greater than two must be better, what could go wrong?

She kept texting that she was really very sensitive and um...perky. Like I said, there went my concentration for about 2 days.

I think she knew what she was doing dammit.

then give her sex or clip her from your life. choices are simple, play games IRL or don't

Nothing is ever that simple.


but how would you know?

you even have a cit.

:)
 
2013-04-21 11:31:54 AM

s2s2s2: albatros183: Welcome to fark?

Big Hug!


Meh, still don't know what you where trying to say, guess I must be a man, and your a...

Wait a minute...
 
2013-04-21 11:32:05 AM

Bedstead Polisher: Now, there's this guy I like and we've gone out a few times, and he's said we'd hang out again (giving specific days "next Sunday" etc) and when I've suggested we hang out, he says absolutely, but when it comes to the date, he's said he will confirm with me and he never does.
I've never asked him about it partly because I was pretty pissed at the time and I don't want to come across as a crazy person who would get overly upset about being blown off by someone who I wasn't exactly dating. And now it seems too late.
I guess my point is, I don't understand men. And part of the reason women say "fine" is because they don't want to come across as a crazy person, because even they know they might be overreacting.


You never once sent him a message that said "Hey missed you yesterday. What happened?" You would have either gotten blown off again (which is an answer in its own way) or you could be consoling him in bed over the tragic loss of his pet guinea pig, who tragically died in a skydiving accident on Sunday. Next time you run into him, just ask. It'll put your mind at ease and prevent you from idly reliving this experience every so often for the rest of your life as women are wont to do.
 
2013-04-21 11:32:30 AM
This seems like the "Five Conversations" thing all over again.  Supposedly, women have five conversations going at once:  The one they're having, the one they're AVOIDING having, the subtext, the body language, and something else I can't remember.  Guys can't do that.  Guys evolved for focus, for being able to completely concentrate on one thing for an extended period.  Consequently, though, we can only have one, MAYBE two things going at a time.  There may be some guys out there who can pull it off, but I've never met one.  Whenever women feel the urge to say "He can't be THAT dense!"  Yes, yes we totally can be.

And men:  The "Oh, really?  Then what?  You're so right.  I told you that biatch was crazy!" routine is the exact opposite of useful, since it's neither improving our understanding nor teaching women to be more straightforward.  It's the conversational equivalent of faking an orgasm:  It gives the other side what they want, but it ensures that the next time won't be any better.  It's covering melanoma with a bandage, and it only leads to more problems down the line.

The trouble, though, is that the complexity is not a learned skill.  You either have it or you don't, and men don't.  Ladies, we will NEVER be able to communicate that way, so stop expecting us to.  It will only lead to disappointment.  You can, in theory, learn to be more straightforward, though, and it would be a great kindness if you would.  Is it fair to put the solution on you?  No.  However, you are the only ones who are CAPABLE of changing in a direction that will actually solve the problem.

Weaver95: Sometimes I think women do it to us on purpose. My one friend knows that Wednesday night is game night. She knows the approx time I start the show (tabletop rpg). So last week she starts asking me about her decision to get her nipples pierced. That was it...my concentration tanked for the rest of the night. Then she sends me a "good morning" picture of the results. Took me half the day to focus on work after that.

So I think women understand men very well and just f*ck with us on purpose.


...Case in point.  Not saying you specifically need to send topless photos of yourselves (but please feel free), but that level of communication is one that even we can grasp.  There's no mistaking THAT message.
 
2013-04-21 11:32:53 AM

albatros183: FTFA "In the words of the 16th century proverb, the eyes are the window to the soul. But for men gazing into the eyes of women, that pane of glass is fogged over."


Women have eyes?

/fogged my glasses
//ifyouknowhatimean
///and i think you do
 
2013-04-21 11:33:49 AM
A major flaw with this study is that all of the test subjects were male. How well would women do reading men?

"His eyes suggest a sort of whistful yearning and he's almost certainly thinking about pistachio ice cream and sex. I know that look because that's the same look of every guy I've dated. I'm going to go with hunger? And desire, but leaning toward horniness. I should call Michael and remember to get bread when I pick up that ice cream."

"Ok. The correct answer was 'hate'. Next..."
 
2013-04-21 11:37:20 AM

WhippingBoy: I've got an hour long loop of "uh-huh", "I see", and "the nerve of that biatch" recorded on my phone. In some cases (e.g. when she's doesn't even have the courtesy to come into the same room as me to "talk" to me), I just turn it on and get back to doing important things.


That would make an awesome iPhone app. It listens on the microphone and waits for pauses and things that sound like questions, then adds the occasional comment in your voice.
 
2013-04-21 11:38:25 AM

gerbilpox: albatros183: FTFA "In the words of the 16th century proverb, the eyes are the window to the soul. But for men gazing into the eyes of women, that pane of glass is fogged over."

Women have eyes?

/fogged my glasses
//ifyouknowhatimean
///and i think you do


I have no idea why this is but, the random brain fark made your post make me think of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPdbHfgM0h0

/Really don't know why
 
2013-04-21 11:39:54 AM

Weaver95: albatros183: Weaver95: albatros183: Weaver95: Sometimes I think women do it to us on purpose. My one friend knows that Wednesday night is game night. She knows the approx time I start the show (tabletop rpg). So last week she starts asking me about her decision to get her nipples pierced. That was it...my concentration tanked for the rest of the night. Then she sends me a "good morning" picture of the results. Took me half the day to focus on work after that.

So I think women understand men very well and just f*ck with us on purpose.

should have just had her come over, two brains are better than one and if X is greater than two must be better, what could go wrong?

She kept texting that she was really very sensitive and um...perky. Like I said, there went my concentration for about 2 days.

I think she knew what she was doing dammit.

then give her sex or clip her from your life. choices are simple, play games IRL or don't

Nothing is ever that simple.


She's just looking for validation. The hornier you get, the happier she is. I had a cock-tease friend for 5 years, and it didn't stop unil I said, "Look, you're being wildly disrespectful. If you actually want to be my friend, you need to quit it." After hating/wanting her for so. long, we became friends. Six months later, we started dating, and were together for a year and half. (Second) Worst mistake of my life. Never ever date an attention whore. You can't possibly validate them, they need to grow up and do it for themselves.

Gentlemen, have respect for yourselves, and have respect for your own emotional needs (emotional logic?). You'll be happier, and NICE women will fall over themselves to get to you.

/ CSB
 
2013-04-21 11:40:47 AM

Hermione_Granger: The article pretty much makes the point that men simply haven't evolved.

I concur.


Have you ever been around a group of close friends (all men)?  Guarantee they can have an entire conversation without you have any idea of what it is they're talking about.  Women just do a very poor job of conveying what they're thinking.
 
2013-04-21 11:42:46 AM

Last Man on Earth: And men: The "Oh, really? Then what? You're so right. I told you that biatch was crazy!" routine is the exact opposite of useful, since it's neither improving our understanding nor teaching women to be more straightforward. It's the conversational equivalent of faking an orgasm: It gives the other side what they want, but it ensures that the next time won't be any better. It's covering melanoma with a bandage, and it only leads to more problems down the line.


While true, I see sex a little differently, since it should be an enjoyable experience for both parties. In the vast majority of my conversations, there is no pleasure to be gained whatsoever. You really have to turn up the empathy sensors in your brain to make the hundredth discussion about proper sock storage engaging in any real way. "Well I care about this person a great deal, and the alignment of socks is extremely important to her... Ergo I care about socks in a drawer." So while it may be analogous to faking an orgasm, it would be the good kind where the woman has some medical problem that makes her incapable of orgasm.

He feels good because he thinks she feels good. She feels good because he feels good.

And everybody finishes their business with the least amount of hassle involved.
 
2013-04-21 11:45:09 AM

LL316: Hermione_Granger: The article pretty much makes the point that men simply haven't evolved.

I concur.


Have you ever been around a group of close friends (all men)?    Guarantee they can have an entire conversation without you have any idea of what it is they're talking about.  Women just do a very poor job of conveying what they're thinking.

Or it could be because, men tend to have closer ties and common experiences with other men, you missed the emphasis "Have you ever been around a group of close friends (all men)?..."
 
2013-04-21 11:46:24 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: You never once sent him a message that said "Hey missed you yesterday. What happened?" You would have either gotten blown off again (which is an answer in its own way) or you could be consoling him in bed over the tragic loss of his pet guinea pig, who tragically died in a skydiving accident on Sunday. Next time you run into him, just ask. It'll put your mind at ease and prevent you from idly reliving this experience every so often for the rest of your life as women are wont to do.


Good point. We work together (different departments) so we see each other often but rarely converse without people present. I do need to just get over it and ask what's up. At least to answer the question, so I will get over it. He did text me to wish me a happy birthday two weeks after he blew me off and I had to fight the "Oh, so you DO still have my number" response. I need to stop being attracted to guys who give me mixed signals.
 
2013-04-21 11:46:30 AM

Weaver95: Gergesa: Weaver95: albatros183: Weaver95: Sometimes I think women do it to us on purpose. My one friend knows that Wednesday night is game night. She knows the approx time I start the show (tabletop rpg). So last week she starts asking me about her decision to get her nipples pierced. That was it...my concentration tanked for the rest of the night. Then she sends me a "good morning" picture of the results. Took me half the day to focus on work after that.

So I think women understand men very well and just f*ck with us on purpose.

should have just had her come over, two brains are better than one and if X is greater than two must be better, what could go wrong?

She kept texting that she was really very sensitive and um...perky. Like I said, there went my concentration for about 2 days.

I think she knew what she was doing dammit.

You are easily distracted.

Let's just say that they are real and they are magnificent.


Weaver95: albatros183: Weaver95: Sometimes I think women do it to us on purpose. My one friend knows that Wednesday night is game night. She knows the approx time I start the show (tabletop rpg). So last week she starts asking me about her decision to get her nipples pierced. That was it...my concentration tanked for the rest of the night. Then she sends me a "good morning" picture of the results. Took me half the day to focus on work after that.

So I think women understand men very well and just f*ck with us on purpose.

should have just had her come over, two brains are better than one and if X is greater than two must be better, what could go wrong?

She kept texting that she was really very sensitive and um...perky. Like I said, there went my concentration for about 2 days.

I think she knew what she was doing dammit.


Weaver, I concur, she wants you, and if you wait too long you will miss out.
 
2013-04-21 11:49:26 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: chaosangel: Or, they will just be really catty to you, but avoid any chance to discuss any issues & deal with the problem.

I once listened to like a forty minute diatribe from one woman, complaining endlessly about some other woman's actions, and made the mistake of asking "So why don't you just call her up and explain this to her like a rational adult?" I've only made that mistake once.


I read that and immediately thought, "Whoa! You said that?" -- and I'm sure I'm not the only guy who had that reaction. And that kind of sums it up right there. We've all learned (or quickly will) that rational suggestions are about as appreciated as telling a woman she's fat.

.
/"You know what might work? Cutting back on the Twinkies."
//"What? I'm just trying to help."
 
2013-04-21 11:49:54 AM

bunner: kwame: Aw, that's cute, but it doesn't change anything.

Coincidence  abounds.  BTW, you chose a failed politician and indicted fraud for a user name.  Did you know?  :  ) Next tug on the  line gets your rod and reel yanked out of the boat.  Make it count.


I think he's had this name for a lot longer than Kilpatrick has been around. Also WTFamIreading.jpg?
 
2013-04-21 11:50:33 AM
This thread makes me wish I lived in my moms basement.

/Good times, good times
//No really
 
2013-04-21 11:53:13 AM

FARK rebel soldier: I think he's had this name for a lot longer than Kilpatrick has been around. Also WTFamIreading.jpg?


*swims past hook*
 
2013-04-21 11:57:21 AM

albatros183: would like a word.


Darwin was 20 years dead before she was born.
 
2013-04-21 11:59:09 AM
There is also a fallacy that more communication is somehow better. Studies concluding that women speak more during a given period and are therefore better communicators fail to measure comprehension and value.

If you take 100 words to describe something that can be said with less ambiguity in 75 words, are you a better communicator? Well, test the listeners to see if they got the information accurately. If the answer is no, it may not be their fault. :)

Secondly, that and what you are communicating about may not be of interest to the listener. The assumption buried in the Salon article and others is that the men are wrong and the women are right. Again, you have to measure this against some sort of output even if it is something vague like a general indicator of happiness.

Try changing the periods on the sentence to question marks and then try answering the question: Women are better communicators than men.
 
2013-04-21 11:59:47 AM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Ok. The correct answer was 'hate'. Next..."


ouch.   X  D
 
2013-04-21 12:00:59 PM
birdbrain777
Weaver, I concur, she wants you, and if you wait too long you will miss out.

I disagree. I think she's a cocktease and enjoys playing with you.

Although there's merit in the idea that she wants to be farkbuddies. Clear that up with her, Weaver. And if that's what she wants and if you're up for that kind of relationship then you should invite her over to spend the night. Otherwise ask her to that that shiat to hotornot.com or whatever the equivalent is these days.

Being a farkbuddy is like renting a really awesome apartment. A young person's game, a fun experience, but it hurts when it's time to move on (which comes oh so fast).
 
2013-04-21 12:03:39 PM

fluffy2097: We just take you at your word.

<man>"are you ok?"
<woman, clearly upset>"I'm fine."
<man>.oO(I guess she wants some privacy) Ok, see you later.
<woman>WHY DIDN'T HE DO ANYTHING FOR ME!!?!?!?!?!?!


Reverse that though, if a woman, or another man, asks a crying man if he's ok, and he says he's fine, that's it, end of story. No bringing up how dumb or insensitive or callous they were a week later, a month later, a year later.
 
2013-04-21 12:06:30 PM
i.imgur.com
i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-21 12:07:39 PM

Bedstead Polisher: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: You never once sent him a message that said "Hey missed you yesterday. What happened?" You would have either gotten blown off again (which is an answer in its own way) or you could be consoling him in bed over the tragic loss of his pet guinea pig, who tragically died in a skydiving accident on Sunday. Next time you run into him, just ask. It'll put your mind at ease and prevent you from idly reliving this experience every so often for the rest of your life as women are wont to do.

Good point. We work together (different departments) so we see each other often but rarely converse without people present. I do need to just get over it and ask what's up. At least to answer the question, so I will get over it. He did text me to wish me a happy birthday two weeks after he blew me off and I had to fight the "Oh, so you DO still have my number" response. I need to stop being attracted to guys who give me mixed signals.


He's not that into you, but he doesn't want to burn any bridges.
 
2013-04-21 12:07:42 PM
Wow, only one person called out this repeat thread.

Anyway, men understand women perfectly.  However, men don't understand that women hate to be understood logically because it makes it obvious how their emotionally derived opinions are often simply WRONG.  No one likes to be wrong.
 
2013-04-21 12:09:03 PM
Just wait until you have to deal with someone who has BPD... They dial it all the way up to 11!
 
2013-04-21 12:13:13 PM
i38.tinypic.com
 
2013-04-21 12:13:51 PM
Sorry I didn't understand your feeling honey. Here, take this and buy something at the mall.
ak8.picdn.net
 
2013-04-21 12:14:19 PM
I think man evolved rather nice.

He no longer clubs them and drags her by the hair so the box won't fill with sand.
 
2013-04-21 12:14:39 PM
sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2013-04-21 12:16:11 PM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: A major flaw with this study is that all of the test subjects were male. How well would women do reading men?


i37.tinypic.com
 
2013-04-21 12:16:24 PM

finnished: Just wait until you have to deal with someone who has BPD... They dial it all the way up to 11!


My uncle married late and his wife has diagnosed BPD (that she hid from him of course) and it has basically ruined him.  He has to sneak around to talk to his family and friends and she constantly threatens him with horrible things like hurting herself and the kids.  She basically owns him like a slave.

He's only with her for his kids.  Her mom has the same kind of affliction and her husband is nothing but a shell of a human.  It's so sad.
 
2013-04-21 12:18:47 PM

neenerist: albatros183: would like a word.

Darwin was 20 years dead before she was born.


/Facepalm

1.5/10
 
2013-04-21 12:19:00 PM
You see women talk in code that men cannot understand due to the misogynist aspect of human society. When a woman does speak freely she is called a biatch or worse. When a woman is sexually free she is called a slut or worse. Therefore, men will never understand women until a woman can be on equal terms as men in society.

I have a headache means I do not want sex right now or you do it so poorly I would prefer a vibrator and pretend Brad Pit is screwing me while Angelina Jolie films us, or when a woman claims she is unsure in a business setting she just does not want to make men feel like they are stupid and have small a small penis.

Or women and men are just strange.

/I have no idea

/DNRTFA

/wish women would keep wearing yoga pants and no bras

/FNORD
 
2013-04-21 12:23:01 PM

finnished: Just wait until you have to deal with someone who has BPD... They dial it all the way up to 11!


Still peeking out from under the sofa.  *shudder*
 
2013-04-21 12:24:08 PM

neenerist: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: A major flaw with this study is that all of the test subjects were male. How well would women do reading men?


I love that pic so much.

CSB: My brother and have been using "bike won't start, I wonder why" as code for "currently experiencing minor but frustrating relationship problems and the woman's in earshot" for the past few years - throughout his divorce and subsequent dating.

He's since actually bought a motorcycle, which made that signal hilariously confusing last time he used it.

/it needed a new spark plug
 
2013-04-21 12:24:27 PM

albatros183: /Facepalm

1.5/10


The concept of evolution was already deeply ingrained into Western society and suffused popular culture and philosophy long before her first degree. Better?  You're very hard to read.
 
2013-04-21 12:26:35 PM

Garble: ...or women have a hard time articulating to to men.


FTFY
 
2013-04-21 12:28:36 PM

Jeep2011: You see women talk in code that men cannot understand due to the misogynist aspect of human society. When a woman does speak freely she is called a biatch or worse.


Is it me, or has "free" become code for "copping to the lowest level of self control with not only impunity, but a cheer leading section"?
 
2013-04-21 12:32:44 PM

bunner: Jeep2011: You see women talk in code that men cannot understand due to the misogynist aspect of human society. When a woman does speak freely she is called a biatch or worse.

Is it me, or has "free" become code for "copping to the lowest level of self control with not only impunity, but a cheer leading section"?


There's also an implied freedom from any repercussions or criticism resulting from it.
 
2013-04-21 12:33:45 PM
Honestly, I like to think I understood men, until I met Mr Kiwi. He's not into sports and distracting him with sex doesn't work that well. He's actually the complicated one in our relationship- stems from childhood and ex-girlfriend issues. So we have trouble communicating sometimes because he won't budge on certain things and I'm, well, I'll say it- pregnant. Which makes me scatterbrained and overly emotional.

However, I DO hate the chicks who say they're fine but really want reassurance or something. That pisses me off. I don't do that- but I am guilty of other typical woman behaviors at the moment so I'll shut up for now.
 
2013-04-21 12:37:59 PM

neenerist: albatros183: /Facepalm

1.5/10

The concept of evolution was already deeply ingrained into Western society and suffused popular culture and philosophy long before her first degree. Better?  You're very hard to read.


Ok you want to argue, citation needed since there was massive opposition, and I am not arguing that she was somehow pivotal to the debate in a political sense, just that she did groundbreaking work in evolutionary genetics and was a woman.

what are you arguing that evolution is not true?, or that because he was a he it's somehow a function of patriarchy?.

Evolution is a fact it is verifiable it has yet to be falsified, and she made significant contribution to it's body of knowledge.

Seriously your arguing that "The concept of evolution was already deeply ingrained into Western society and suffused popular culture and philosophy long before her first degree ..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scopes_Trial

that would have been in the middle of her degree FTF Wiki "...and therefore her MA and PhD-earned in 1925 and 1927..."

Maybe I am feeding troll, but your problem is what?
 
2013-04-21 12:38:55 PM

bunner: Jeep2011: You see women talk in code that men cannot understand due to the misogynist aspect of human society. When a woman does speak freely she is called a biatch or worse.

Is it me, or has "free" become code for "copping to the lowest level of self control with not only impunity, but a cheer leading section"?


No that was not what I was talking about. But yes I understand your view. This is more about women all ways having to tiptoe when trying to be strong...but I grew up in the deep south so my view has biases.
 
2013-04-21 12:40:08 PM
So far, afaict, the gist of what passes for feminism these days is basically, "we still get a free ride, but you have to drive to where WE  want to go and you pay for the gas."  And that's sad, because feminism, as on the original label was long overdue and necessary.
 
2013-04-21 12:42:38 PM

Jeep2011: You see women talk in code that men cannot understand due to the misogynist aspect of human society. When a woman does speak freely she is called a biatch or worse. When a woman is sexually free she is called a slut or worse. Therefore, men will never understand women until a woman can be on equal terms as men in society.


Perhaps that's so, but it quickly becomes cyclical.  Women can't really be on equal terms until they stop being afraid to speak their minds.  When someone has to be coaxed and encouraged to even voice an opinion, of course they won't be treated as equals of those who offer them freely.  People in the real world have neither the time nor the inclination for that kind of thing.  Similarly, the label of "biatch" for doing so is going to stick around until that behavior becomes perceived as normal.  I've heard women complain that there's not a male equivalent to "biatch" because the behavior is expected of men.  The solution, it seems to me, is to MAKE it the expected behavior for women, by acting straightforward speaking your mind without apology.  Make damn sure people know that's EXACTLY what they can expect from you.

I've heard this complaint many times, but it always comes with the idea that men still have to be the impetus for change.  That just won't happen.  Take a lesson from the civil rights movement:  Equality is a right, but it's not a gift.  You need to step up and claim it.  The people in charge won't change on their own, you need to step up and tell them "This is how it's going to be from now on.  You got that, prick?"
 
2013-04-21 12:44:09 PM

bunner: So far, afaict, the gist of what passes for feminism these days is basically, "we still get a free ride, but you have to drive to where WE  want to go and you pay for the gas."  And that's sad, because feminism, as on the original label was long overdue and necessary.


I HATE THIS. I have angry feminist friends, and they're all "campaign for equal wages!" And stuff of that nature. I asked my friend one time if that meant she intended to get her own doors and buy him the meal on the first date. Her serious answer was "that's the man's job." I wanted to punch her. You can't have equality in all things and then get special treatment, you slag.
 
2013-04-21 12:45:35 PM

kiwimoogle84: Honestly, I like to think I understood men, until I met Mr Kiwi. He's not into sports and distracting him with sex doesn't work that well. He's actually the complicated one in our relationship- stems from childhood and ex-girlfriend issues. So we have trouble communicating sometimes because he won't budge on certain things and I'm, well, I'll say it- pregnant. Which makes me scatterbrained and overly emotional.

However, I DO hate the chicks who say they're fine but really want reassurance or something. That pisses me off. I don't do that- but I am guilty of other typical woman behaviors at the moment so I'll shut up for now.


I recommend demanding Pickle, kiwi, steak ice cream, should smooth things over.
 
2013-04-21 12:47:27 PM

Last Man on Earth: Jeep2011: You see women talk in code that men cannot understand due to the misogynist aspect of human society. When a woman does speak freely she is called a biatch or worse. When a woman is sexually free she is called a slut or worse. Therefore, men will never understand women until a woman can be on equal terms as men in society.

Perhaps that's so, but it quickly becomes cyclical.  Women can't really be on equal terms until they stop being afraid to speak their minds.  When someone has to be coaxed and encouraged to even voice an opinion, of course they won't be treated as equals of those who offer them freely.  People in the real world have neither the time nor the inclination for that kind of thing.  Similarly, the label of "biatch" for doing so is going to stick around until that behavior becomes perceived as normal.  I've heard women complain that there's not a male equivalent to "biatch" because the behavior is expected of men.  The solution, it seems to me, is to MAKE it the expected behavior for women, by acting straightforward speaking your mind without apology.  Make damn sure people know that's EXACTLY what they can expect from you.

I've heard this complaint many times, but it always comes with the idea that men still have to be the impetus for change.  That just won't happen.  Take a lesson from the civil rights movement:  Equality is a right, but it's not a gift.  You need to step up and claim it.  The people in charge won't change on their own, you need to step up and tell them "This is how it's going to be from now on.  You got that, prick?"


Your words are wonderful.
 
2013-04-21 12:48:35 PM

kiwimoogle84: I have angry feminist friends


I can't see why.  Or how they are friends.  A lot of women don't like men.  I'm fine with that.  I don't  like beets.  I have dealt with this by not eating them.  I do not, however, go around blowing piss and whine at beet farmers.
 
2013-04-21 12:48:37 PM

albatros183: kiwimoogle84: Honestly, I like to think I understood men, until I met Mr Kiwi. He's not into sports and distracting him with sex doesn't work that well. He's actually the complicated one in our relationship- stems from childhood and ex-girlfriend issues. So we have trouble communicating sometimes because he won't budge on certain things and I'm, well, I'll say it- pregnant. Which makes me scatterbrained and overly emotional.

However, I DO hate the chicks who say they're fine but really want reassurance or something. That pisses me off. I don't do that- but I am guilty of other typical woman behaviors at the moment so I'll shut up for now.

I recommend demanding Pickle, kiwi, steak ice cream, should smooth things over.


I'm confused by your statement. Is the steak for me or for him? We like our steak cooked differently. Pickles are gross, but you DID have me at ice cream.
 
2013-04-21 12:49:55 PM

Last Man on Earth: The people in charge won't change on their own, you need to step up and tell them "This is how it's going to be from now on.  You got that, prick?"


So, the solution is to become the problem with a more fabulous outfit?
 
2013-04-21 12:53:02 PM

bunner: kiwimoogle84: I have angry feminist friends

I can't see why.  Or how they are friends.  A lot of women don't like men.  I'm fine with that.  I don't  like beets.  I have dealt with this by not eating them.  I do not, however, go around blowing piss and whine at beet farmers.


Because they're not like that 100% of the time, just sometimes and then I have to wait until the angry tirade is over and they become a rational human being again, or we change the topic. And the one in particular I'm thinking of likes men, she's just a complicated person in general. We are nerd, anime, video game and karaoke friends- none of those require our politics to align.

I'm not friends with people based on their political platform. I love people who run the spectrum from uber conservative to liberal as hell. So we'll all always disagree about something but they have other redeeming qualities, and that's why we get along.
 
2013-04-21 12:53:17 PM
News Flash #2 , women don't understand other women's emotions either , so there , also how hard is it to understand the never ending negative mindset of women and in all honestly who would want to.
 
2013-04-21 12:53:53 PM

albatros183: Maybe I am feeding troll, but your problem is what?


No need to limit the options to simple dualism, you may also have comprehension issues:

Evolution: a concept devised and popularized by men ...

   By what twisted reasoning is your example a counter to that when evolution was even showing up in Three Stooges shorts as her career was taking off? Weigh facts instead of internet social expectations.
 
2013-04-21 12:54:32 PM

kiwimoogle84: albatros183: kiwimoogle84: Honestly, I like to think I understood men, until I met Mr Kiwi. He's not into sports and distracting him with sex doesn't work that well. He's actually the complicated one in our relationship- stems from childhood and ex-girlfriend issues. So we have trouble communicating sometimes because he won't budge on certain things and I'm, well, I'll say it- pregnant. Which makes me scatterbrained and overly emotional.

However, I DO hate the chicks who say they're fine but really want reassurance or something. That pisses me off. I don't do that- but I am guilty of other typical woman behaviors at the moment so I'll shut up for now.

I recommend demanding Pickle, kiwi, steak ice cream, should smooth things over.

I'm confused by your statement. Is the steak for me or for him? We like our steak cooked differently. Pickles are gross, but you DID have me at ice cream.


you missed my double entente.

/Never mind been drinking since 8 so....
 
2013-04-21 12:56:34 PM

kiwimoogle84: Because they're not like that 100% of the time, just sometimes and then I have to wait until the angry tirade is over and they become a rational human being again, or we change the topic.


You're a braver man than I and profoundly more forgiving.  I am, admittedly, a lethal, brass plated sonofab*tch about people who try and ill use me.  God bless.
 
2013-04-21 12:57:47 PM

bunner: kiwimoogle84: Because they're not like that 100% of the time, just sometimes and then I have to wait until the angry tirade is over and they become a rational human being again, or we change the topic.

You're a braver man than I and profoundly more forgiving.  I am, admittedly, a lethal, brass plated sonofab*tch about people who try and ill use me.  God bless.


*shrug* lord knows why people put up with me either.
 
2013-04-21 12:58:41 PM
I think women who are intelligent, wear yoga pants and no bras, are perfectly understandable. But hey that is just the crowd I roll in.

\some levity?
/Women who trust you will be understood
/Same as men
/If you do not understand someone they may not trust you
/ or dey da stupid
 
2013-04-21 12:59:29 PM

neenerist: albatros183: Maybe I am feeding troll, but your problem is what?

No need to limit the options to simple dualism, you may also have comprehension issues:

Evolution: a concept devised and popularized by men ...

   By what twisted reasoning is your example a counter to that when evolution was even showing up in Three Stooges shorts as her career was taking off? Weigh facts instead of internet social expectations.


OK last time, I give you a chance to articulate WTF you are talking about.

WTF are you talking about, either you have completely misunderstood me or your off meds.

Make an argument ot STFU.

/three stooges really?
 
2013-04-21 01:01:22 PM

Last Man on Earth: Jeep2011: You see women talk in code that men cannot understand due to the misogynist aspect of human society. When a woman does speak freely she is called a biatch or worse. When a woman is sexually free she is called a slut or worse. Therefore, men will never understand women until a woman can be on equal terms as men in society.

Perhaps that's so, but it quickly becomes cyclical.  Women can't really be on equal terms until they stop being afraid to speak their minds.  When someone has to be coaxed and encouraged to even voice an opinion, of course they won't be treated as equals of those who offer them freely.  People in the real world have neither the time nor the inclination for that kind of thing.  Similarly, the label of "biatch" for doing so is going to stick around until that behavior becomes perceived as normal.  I've heard women complain that there's not a male equivalent to "biatch" because the behavior is expected of men.  The solution, it seems to me, is to MAKE it the expected behavior for women, by acting straightforward speaking your mind without apology.  Make damn sure people know that's EXACTLY what they can expect from you.

I've heard this complaint many times, but it always comes with the idea that men still have to be the impetus for change.  That just won't happen.  Take a lesson from the civil rights movement:  Equality is a right, but it's not a gift.  You need to step up and claim it.  The people in charge won't change on their own, you need to step up and tell them "This is how it's going to be from now on.  You got that, prick?"


There's one key point you're missing. There's a HUGE difference between an assertive, ambitious, confident woman and a "biatch". People don't consider women to be biatches because they're assertive and direct; they consider them to be biatches because they're, well, biatches. The difference usually boils down to self-confidence. I honestly don't know any man who would regard a woman who spoke their mind directly and assertively to be a "biatch".
 
2013-04-21 01:02:38 PM

Jeep2011: I think women who are intelligent, wear yoga pants and no bras, are perfectly understandable. But hey that is just the crowd I roll in.

\some levity?
/Women who trust you will be understood
/Same as men
/If you do not understand someone they may not trust you
/ or dey da stupid


Some women are far too well endowed to not wear a bra, genius. This is the second time you've mentioned this and it's not like women can go around dressed like that all the time. Especially not if they have jobs or school or lives outside of fulfilling your shallow fantasies.

Just sayin'.
 
2013-04-21 01:03:43 PM
Guys?

It's simple.

Sometimes you just have to say those three little words.  Sometimes those words are 'I love you'.  Sometimes those words are 'hit the bricks'.

It works both ways and anybody who doesn't know which are applicable when has probably spent an inordinate amount of time indoors.
 
2013-04-21 01:05:54 PM

bunner: Guys?

It's simple.

Sometimes you just have to say those three little words.  Sometimes those words are 'I love you'.  Sometimes those words are 'hit the bricks'.

It works both ways and anybody who doesn't know which are applicable when has probably spent an inordinate amount of time indoors.


The words I usually use are "It's not gonna suck itself". Perhaps your words would get me into less trouble.
 
2013-04-21 01:06:05 PM

kiwimoogle84: Jeep2011: I think women who are intelligent, wear yoga pants and no bras, are perfectly understandable. But hey that is just the crowd I roll in.

\some levity?
/Women who trust you will be understood
/Same as men
/If you do not understand someone they may not trust you
/ or dey da stupid

Some women are far too well endowed to not wear a bra, genius. This is the second time you've mentioned this and it's not like women can go around dressed like that all the time. Especially not if they have jobs or school or lives outside of fulfilling your shallow fantasies.

Just sayin'.


Ya wayching me? Second time? Funny I do not remember.
 
2013-04-21 01:06:57 PM
Men are used to waking up as the same person every day.  Their internal balances don't vary nearly as much as women's.  The idea that a woman reserves the right to change her mind is because women are different people on different days, especially young women who aren't as used to dealing with their hormonal changes.  Men need to be flexible in dealing with women, don't expect consistency, especially emotionally.
 
2013-04-21 01:07:38 PM
Constipated British sleuth.
 
2013-04-21 01:09:39 PM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: The idea that a woman reserves the right to change her mind is because women are different people on different days,


Oddly, this is not only convenient as all get out, but in men, is called "clinically gorilla sh*t loony".   :  )
 
2013-04-21 01:09:41 PM
I don't want to understand women. Women understand women, and they all hate each other.
 
2013-04-21 01:10:34 PM

Jeep2011: You see women talk in code that men cannot understand due to the misogynist aspect of human society. When a woman does speak freely she is called a biatch or worse. When a woman is sexually free she is called a slut or worse. Therefore, men will never understand women until a woman can be on equal terms as men in society.

I have a headache means I do not want sex right now or you do it so poorly I would prefer a vibrator and pretend Brad Pit is screwing me while Angelina Jolie films us, or when a woman claims she is unsure in a business setting she just does not want to make men feel like they are stupid and have small a small penis.

Or women and men are just strange.

/I have no idea

/DNRTFA

/wish women would keep wearing yoga pants and no bras

/FNORD


See above. It was literally five minutes apart which was why I noticed it. I actually read the comments in the thread.
 
2013-04-21 01:11:12 PM

CaptainFatass: Constipated British sleuth.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/physical_health/conditions/constipation1 .s html

I don't personally have this problem but its an interesting google
 
2013-04-21 01:11:25 PM

Jeep2011: You see women talk in code that men cannot understand due to the misogynist aspect of human society. When a woman does speak freely she is called a biatch or worse. When a woman is sexually free she is called a slut or worse. Therefore, men will never understand women until a woman can be on equal terms as men in society.



Can't agree with this at all.

Men don't "speak freely".  If we come off as too aggressive for our position, we get labelled as "assholes" or whatever, just like a woman gets labelled a "biatch".  There's a middle ground, where you express yourself WITHOUT being overly aggressive/demeaning/etc.  Women who make the "if we speak freely, we're 'biatches'" argument seem to not understand that middle ground, only going from keeping quiet to speaking their unfiltered thoughts and getting lambasted for them due to that lack of filter.

Men filter.  Men filter constantly, since we can't speak our minds about nearly anything.  We are not communicating what we're  actually thinking.  Speech, to a man, isn't about unleashing your inner monologue, it's about sending off a message to elicit a response that you desire.

If you're late with a project, your male boss is likely to poke his head in and say "The report was due an hour ago, what's the holdup?"  You then have a chance to explain the holdup, and if your excuse makes sense, he'll work out an adjustment.  If it doesn't, THEN he'll unleash the anger he's repressing and ream you out for slacking.  A female boss of the type who complains about being labelled as a "biatch" is more likely to simply express her anger right out of the gate, meaning the employee is now fighting back against a torrent of anger, even if they do have a good excuse.

There's plenty of women who  don't do this, and thus don't have that problem.  If you're being called a biatch because you're "expressing yourself freely", it's because you're a biatch and you're not trying to hide the fact.  Men who are assholes typically  do try to hide that, unless the person they're talking to is lower enough on the totem pole they don't care to.  And men who just act their inner asshole definitely get called assholes; look at Donald Trump.  He's an asshole.  People call him names all the time because of how he acts, because he has no filter.
 
2013-04-21 01:12:04 PM
Women are individuals just like men are. Real human beings, not symbols and projections from mens' minds.

If you try to take your experiences from one woman and apply them to another as if they were exactly the same, of course you're going to be confused.

If you treat women as projections of your own mind and have any inkling of reality, you're gonna experience a lot of cognitive dissonance.
 
2013-04-21 01:12:27 PM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: birdbrain777
Weaver, I concur, she wants you, and if you wait too long you will miss out.

I disagree. I think she's a cocktease and enjoys playing with you.

Although there's merit in the idea that she wants to be farkbuddies. Clear that up with her, Weaver. And if that's what she wants and if you're up for that kind of relationship then you should invite her over to spend the night. Otherwise ask her to that that shiat to hotornot.com or whatever the equivalent is these days.

Being a farkbuddy is like renting a really awesome apartment. A young person's game, a fun experience, but it hurts when it's time to move on (which comes oh so fast).


My wife's interpretation if Weaver's story follows:

If she were dtf she would hint at what they might look like until he suggested she come over and show him. Since she went ahead and sent photos unsolicited he is friendzoned so hard he might as well have a vagina.
 
2013-04-21 01:13:10 PM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Men are used to waking up as the same person every day.  Their internal balances don't vary nearly as much as women's.  The idea that a woman reserves the right to change her mind is because women are different people on different days, especially young women who aren't as used to dealing with their hormonal changes.  Men need to be flexible in dealing with women, don't expect consistency, especially emotionally.


Instead of shifting the burden to men, how 'bout women take responsibility for their actions? I've had days that I've been seething with anger (for various reasons), but I've always treated my partner with courtesy and respect instead of blowing up and then proclaiming that it wasn't my fault. I get that uncontrolled hormonal changes can affect feelings, but your actions as a result of those feelings are entirely within your control.
 
2013-04-21 01:13:12 PM

Egalitarian: Women are individuals just like men are. Real human beings, not symbols and projections from mens' minds.

If you try to take your experiences from one woman and apply them to another as if they were exactly the same, of course you're going to be confused.

If you treat women as projections of your own mind and have any inkling of reality, you're gonna experience a lot of cognitive dissonance.


Amen.  Have some gander sauce.
 
2013-04-21 01:15:33 PM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Men are used to waking up as the same person every day.  Their internal balances don't vary nearly as much as women's.  The idea that a woman reserves the right to change her mind is because women are different people on different days, especially young women who aren't as used to dealing with their hormonal changes.  Men need to be flexible in dealing with women, don't expect consistency, especially emotionally.


Men get moody too, you know.

I mean, Jesus, case in point: this thread is practically a pout-fest.

It's true that the average thresholds are different but it's not that extreme (and with significant overlap!)
 
2013-04-21 01:16:33 PM

kiwimoogle84: Jeep2011: You see women talk in code that men cannot understand due to the misogynist aspect of human society. When a woman does speak freely she is called a biatch or worse. When a woman is sexually free she is called a slut or worse. Therefore, men will never understand women until a woman can be on equal terms as men in society.

I have a headache means I do not want sex right now or you do it so poorly I would prefer a vibrator and pretend Brad Pit is screwing me while Angelina Jolie films us, or when a woman claims she is unsure in a business setting she just does not want to make men feel like they are stupid and have small a small penis.

Or women and men are just strange.

/I have no idea

/DNRTFA

/wish women would keep wearing yoga pants and no bras

/FNORD

See above. It was literally five minutes apart which was why I noticed it. I actually read the comments in the thread.


Yes I know. You are very serious. I apologize I thought this was Fark.  Thank you for playing. I wish you a great day. Now back to regularly scheduled thread.
 
2013-04-21 01:17:14 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: WhippingBoy: Holy crap, no kidding. I can't count the times I've thought to myself "It's been 15 minutes of non-stop talking, and I *still* have no idea what she wants from me or what the problem is".

She just wants you to listen. Maintain eye contact and throw in a "Really?" or "Why's that?" every so often. More often than not there isn't a problem or solution. They just want to hear "Yeah that's so inconsiderate of that other person."


We (women and I'm speaking in SUPER generalistic terms blah blah blah) have a need for emotional decompression. We do NOT want you to problem solve when we're doing this. We want empathy and decompression. When we are looking to problem solve, we're VERY clear about it and it's a completely different approach. The 'non-stop' talking is our decompression. When we want/seek advice, it's more conversational. We *need* one sided conversations for dumping, we just do.

We have a *need* for this, we really do. And if your woman stops doing this with you...it's a very bad sign. But don't tune us out completely, try to at least follow the jist. We want you to give a shiat about us, and it's about the feelings on this one.
 
2013-04-21 01:20:02 PM

Lady Indica: She just wants you to listen. Maintain eye contact and throw in a "Really?" or "Why's that?" every so often. More often than not there isn't a problem or solution. They just want to hear "Yeah that's so inconsiderate of that other person."


guestofaguest.com

"I told you that b*tch crazy!'
 
2013-04-21 01:20:46 PM
WhippingBoy:

There's one key point you're missing. There's a HUGE difference between an assertive, ambitious, confident woman and a "biatch". People don't consider women to be biatches because they're assertive and direct; they consider them to be biatches because they're, well, biatches. The difference usually boils down to self-confidence. I honestly don't know any man who would regard a woman who spok ...

Well of course there's an upper limit, men and women alike are equally capable of being assholes.  I can't actually tell my boss to go fark himself either, at least not without repercussions.  Personally, though, I typically use "biatchiness" to mean that weird catty, passive-aggressive vindictiveness that women use because they think they can't get away with just straightforward aggressiveness and assertiveness.  That doesn't mean that women don't have to deal with a drastically stricter standard for how much is too far, however, and that different treatment is what I have a problem with.

Similarly, while I consider myself a very feminist-leaning man, there's a certain mentality among SOME feminists that basically amounts to "everything I don't like that happens in the history of ever is immediate and direct proof that men hate and fear all women."  Not to put too fine a point on it, but let's call it the Jezebel complex.  There are absolutely very real cases of widespread sexism and gender discrimination in our society, but that doesn't mean that there aren't women who drastically overcompensate, and the persecution complex makes them thoroughly unreliable, with an option on totally insane.  I don't feel any complication in supporting feminism but opposing them, any more than I feel in about gun owners vs. the NRA, drunk driving vs. MADD, or christians vs. WBC.
 
2013-04-21 01:21:25 PM

Jeep2011: kiwimoogle84: Jeep2011: You see women talk in code that men cannot understand due to the misogynist aspect of human society. When a woman does speak freely she is called a biatch or worse. When a woman is sexually free she is called a slut or worse. Therefore, men will never understand women until a woman can be on equal terms as men in society.

I have a headache means I do not want sex right now or you do it so poorly I would prefer a vibrator and pretend Brad Pit is screwing me while Angelina Jolie films us, or when a woman claims she is unsure in a business setting she just does not want to make men feel like they are stupid and have small a small penis.

Or women and men are just strange.

/I have no idea

/DNRTFA

/wish women would keep wearing yoga pants and no bras

/FNORD

See above. It was literally five minutes apart which was why I noticed it. I actually read the comments in the thread.

Yes I know. You are very serious. I apologize I thought this was Fark.  Thank you for playing. I wish you a great day. Now back to regularly scheduled thread.


You didn't address my point though. Women's intelligence has nothing to do with tits and ass. So...what you were saying was "I don't want to understand her anyway as long as she looks good."

But whatever. I'll get back in the kitchen now.
 
2013-04-21 01:25:17 PM
Men evolved, women didn't. All the behaviors you see in women whether it's in junior high school cliques or Junior League politics are the same ones you'll see in the core matriarchy of any monkey troop anywhere in the world.

www.solartaxi.com
 
2013-04-21 01:27:22 PM

WhippingBoy: Instead of shifting the burden to men, how 'bout women take responsibility for their actions? I've had days that I've been seething with anger (for various reasons), but I've always treated my partner with courtesy and respect instead of blowing up and then proclaiming that it wasn't my fault. I get that uncontrolled hormonal changes can affect feelings, but your actions as a result of those feelings are entirely within your control.


You can't be held responsible for anyone else's feelings.
 
2013-04-21 01:27:37 PM

Lady Indica: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: WhippingBoy: Holy crap, no kidding. I can't count the times I've thought to myself "It's been 15 minutes of non-stop talking, and I *still* have no idea what she wants from me or what the problem is".

She just wants you to listen. Maintain eye contact and throw in a "Really?" or "Why's that?" every so often. More often than not there isn't a problem or solution. They just want to hear "Yeah that's so inconsiderate of that other person."

We (women and I'm speaking in SUPER generalistic terms blah blah blah) have a need for emotional decompression. We do NOT want you to problem solve when we're doing this. We want empathy and decompression. When we are looking to problem solve, we're VERY clear about it and it's a completely different approach. The 'non-stop' talking is our decompression. When we want/seek advice, it's more conversational. We *need* one sided conversations for dumping, we just do.

We have a *need* for this, we really do. And if your woman stops doing this with you...it's a very bad sign. But don't tune us out completely, try to at least follow the jist. We want you to give a shiat about us, and it's about the feelings on this one.


Everything you said is true.

My angst on the subject is when I say I need to vent and proceed to do so, previous girlfriends have said, "Why are you bothering me with this shiat?"

Protip gents: I've learned the hard way that this is a solid cue to say "Yeah, well, now you know how I feel" and end the relationship to find someone wiser (or at least less selfish). ;)

If you say you want equality, don't complain when you get equality.

/the current girlfriend's done alright, she might be a keeper
 
2013-04-21 01:30:41 PM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Lady Indica: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: WhippingBoy: Holy crap, no kidding. I can't count the times I've thought to myself "It's been 15 minutes of non-stop talking, and I *still* have no idea what she wants from me or what the problem is".

She just wants you to listen. Maintain eye contact and throw in a "Really?" or "Why's that?" every so often. More often than not there isn't a problem or solution. They just want to hear "Yeah that's so inconsiderate of that other person."

We (women and I'm speaking in SUPER generalistic terms blah blah blah) have a need for emotional decompression. We do NOT want you to problem solve when we're doing this. We want empathy and decompression. When we are looking to problem solve, we're VERY clear about it and it's a completely different approach. The 'non-stop' talking is our decompression. When we want/seek advice, it's more conversational. We *need* one sided conversations for dumping, we just do.

We have a *need* for this, we really do. And if your woman stops doing this with you...it's a very bad sign. But don't tune us out completely, try to at least follow the jist. We want you to give a shiat about us, and it's about the feelings on this one.

Everything you said is true.

My angst on the subject is when I say I need to vent and proceed to do so, previous girlfriends have said, "Why are you bothering me with this shiat?"

Protip gents: I've learned the hard way that this is a solid cue to say "Yeah, well, now you know how I feel" and end the relationship to find someone wiser (or at least less selfish). ;)

If you say you want equality, don't complain when you get equality.

/the current girlfriend's done alright, she might be a keeper


I second this. Considering the fact that Mr Kiwi is abnormally closed off 99% of the time, I cherish when he actually does open up. I vent at him a lot- he doesn't care. As soon as he gets going about something, I instantly shut up and pay attention. It happens very rarely, just who he is, and I'm trying to prove that for once, he's got someone that gives a shiat what he has to say.
 
2013-04-21 01:31:00 PM

Jeep2011: You see women talk in code that men cannot understand due to the misogynist aspect of human society. When a woman does speak freely she is called a biatch or worse. When a woman is sexually free she is called a slut or worse. Therefore, men will never understand women until a woman can be on equal terms as men in society.

I have a headache means I do not want sex right now or you do it so poorly I would prefer a vibrator and pretend Brad Pit is screwing me while Angelina Jolie films us, or when a woman claims she is unsure in a business setting she just does not want to make men feel like they are stupid and have small a small penis.

Or women and men are just strange.

/I have no idea

/DNRTFA

/wish women would keep wearing yoga pants and no bras

/FNORD


I'm not a feminist or quick to claim misogyny, but I've noticed at work that my directness draws criticism ("that was abrupt", "you're very east coast") while a guy who does the same thing gets praised for getting to the heart of the matter. I'm not rude, I just like to keep meetings I lead moving along by steering back to the topic when people digress.

I won't touch the 'slut vs stud' topic because no one's called me slutty so I have no horse in that race, but you do get a subtle impression of disapproval at times.
 
2013-04-21 01:31:28 PM

lewismarktwo: My uncle married late and his wife has diagnosed BPD (that she hid from him of course) and it has basically ruined him.  He has to sneak around to talk to his family and friends and she constantly threatens him with horrible things like hurting herself and the kids.  She basically owns him like a slave.


I feel for him, I know what it can do. But "fortunately" BPD persons are often more bark than bite, so if you figure that one out, it'll be much easier to deal with them.
 
2013-04-21 01:33:45 PM

fluffy2097: We just take you at your word.

<man>"are you ok?"
<woman, clearly upset>"I'm fine."
<man>.oO(I guess she wants some privacy) Ok, see you later.
<woman>WHY DIDN'T HE DO ANYTHING FOR ME!!?!?!?!?!?!


strange
women complain when men treat them as equals.
more importantly, LEAVE US THE FARK ALONE when we are upset.
NO we dont want to talk it out.

FFS

/men are from mars and women are from venus did a great job articulating that men and women are different.
 
2013-04-21 01:33:48 PM
I know women's intelligence has nothing to do with the way she looks. I have met a lot of women who society deems beautiful but I do not see it because they lack intelligence. Yet I know a lot of intelligent women who seem beautiful to me because of their intelligence that society would not think of as beautiful.  You also miss judged the joke, I did read the article, and you did not see the Fnords.

Oh and by the way stay out of the Farking kitchen because I am the one who makes the meals! I am I great chef if I do say so my self.

Not that I am a real chef I just cook well.

/Sorry I made you mad
/ If you like chicken curry I will make some for you
/I am told it is fantastic
/all the intelligent women in my life say so
 
2013-04-21 01:36:57 PM

frithperson: Jeep2011: You see women talk in code that men cannot understand due to the misogynist aspect of human society. When a woman does speak freely she is called a biatch or worse. When a woman is sexually free she is called a slut or worse. Therefore, men will never understand women until a woman can be on equal terms as men in society.

I have a headache means I do not want sex right now or you do it so poorly I would prefer a vibrator and pretend Brad Pit is screwing me while Angelina Jolie films us, or when a woman claims she is unsure in a business setting she just does not want to make men feel like they are stupid and have small a small penis.

Or women and men are just strange.

/I have no idea

/DNRTFA

/wish women would keep wearing yoga pants and no bras

/FNORD

I'm not a feminist or quick to claim misogyny, but I've noticed at work that my directness draws criticism ("that was abrupt", "you're very east coast") while a guy who does the same thing gets praised for getting to the heart of the matter. I'm not rude, I just like to keep meetings I lead moving along by steering back to the topic when people digress.

I won't touch the 'slut vs stud' topic because no one's called me slutty so I have no horse in that race, but you do get a subtle impression of disapproval at times.

That is what I was saying.
 
2013-04-21 01:37:27 PM

Lady Indica: She just wants you to listen. Maintain eye contact and throw in a "Really?" or "Why's that?" every so often. More often than not there isn't a problem or solution. They just want to hear "Yeah that's so inconsiderate of that other person."

We (women and I'm speaking in SUPER generalistic terms blah blah blah) have a need for emotional decompression. We do NOT want you to problem solve when we're doing this. We want empathy and decompression. When we are looking to problem solve, we're VERY clear about it and it's a completely different approach. The 'non-stop' talking is our decompression. When we want/seek advice, it's more conversational. We *need* one sided conversations for dumping, we just do.

We have a *need* for this, we really do. And if your woman stops doing this with you...it's a very bad sign. But don't tune us out completely, try to at least follow the jist. We want you to give a shiat about us, and it's about the feelings on this one.


THIS is what your girlfriends were for before you were in a relationship. WHY does it magically become the guys job?
Sure, sometimes we can do this. But we are BAD at it. TERRIBLE at it.
We are BUILT to SOLVE problems!!!

him: So your boss grabbed your ass at work?!!! WTF. We are hiring a lawyer! You are suing that company for harassment and you will win millions.
her: no. we cant do that. I just wanted to complain about work. it is so unfair that women are treated that way.
him: GREAT!!! We are so suing them!!! We will be able to retire!!!
her: no. I dont want to make waves
 
2013-04-21 01:38:27 PM
American women are the most privilaged human beings to ever walk the face of the earth.
 
2013-04-21 01:39:05 PM

Jeep2011: /I am told it is fantastic


Patak's or scratch with mortar and pestle?
 
2013-04-21 01:39:22 PM

Jeep2011: I know women's intelligence has nothing to do with the way she looks. I have met a lot of women who society deems beautiful but I do not see it because they lack intelligence. Yet I know a lot of intelligent women who seem beautiful to me because of their intelligence that society would not think of as beautiful.  You also miss judged the joke, I did read the article, and you did not see the Fnords.

Oh and by the way stay out of the Farking kitchen because I am the one who makes the meals! I am I great chef if I do say so my self.

Not that I am a real chef I just cook well.

/Sorry I made you mad
/ If you like chicken curry I will make some for you
/I am told it is fantastic
/all the intelligent women in my life say so


I'm not going to argue the point further because I think we're talking about two different things. But ok.

/and I'm actually the preferred chef around here
//I need to open a restaurant
 
2013-04-21 01:40:43 PM

Weaver95: albatros183: Weaver95: albatros183: Weaver95: Sometimes I think women do it to us on purpose. My one friend knows that Wednesday night is game night. She knows the approx time I start the show (tabletop rpg). So last week she starts asking me about her decision to get her nipples pierced. That was it...my concentration tanked for the rest of the night. Then she sends me a "good morning" picture of the results. Took me half the day to focus on work after that.

So I think women understand men very well and just f*ck with us on purpose.

should have just had her come over, two brains are better than one and if X is greater than two must be better, what could go wrong?

She kept texting that she was really very sensitive and um...perky. Like I said, there went my concentration for about 2 days.

I think she knew what she was doing dammit.

then give her sex or clip her from your life. choices are simple, play games IRL or don't

Nothing is ever that simple.


Damn. She's your sister, right?
 
2013-04-21 01:40:57 PM
Women just have trouble understanding their wrong.
 
2013-04-21 01:42:33 PM

frithperson: I'm not a feminist or quick to claim misogyny, but I've noticed at work that my directness draws criticism ("that was abrupt", "you're very east coast") while a guy who does the same thing gets praised for getting to the heart of the matter. I'm not rude, I just like to keep meetings I lead moving along by steering back to the topic when people digress.


This shiat still goes on? Time to talk to the owners about that harassment/bias lawsuit that you will be filing.
LOLOL
 
2013-04-21 01:43:13 PM

Revek: Women just have trouble understanding their  that they're wrong.

 
2013-04-21 01:43:14 PM

Revek: Women just have trouble understanding their wrong.


They're.

You were saying?
 
2013-04-21 01:47:35 PM

kiwimoogle84: Revek: Women just have trouble understanding their wrong.

They're.

You were saying?


I applaud your writing sense.
 
2013-04-21 01:47:43 PM

kiwimoogle84: Revek: Women just have trouble understanding their wrong.

They're.

You were saying?


Don't want to speak for, but  I think ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...........
 
2013-04-21 01:57:05 PM

Jeep2011: kiwimoogle84: Revek: Women just have trouble understanding their wrong.

They're.

You were saying?

I applaud your writing sense.


Well thank you- I DID double major in English and creative writing. How I ended up in medical administration I'll never know.
 
2013-04-21 01:58:58 PM

kiwimoogle84: Well thank you- I DID double major in English and creative writing. How I ended up in medical administration I'll never know


You wanted to eat and live indoors?
 
2013-04-21 02:00:52 PM

kiwimoogle84: Jeep2011: kiwimoogle84: Revek: Women just have trouble understanding their wrong.

They're.

You were saying?

I applaud your writing sense.

Well thank you- I DID double major in English and creative writing. How I ended up in medical administration I'll never know.


Same way I ended up an IT consultant...we needed a job!
 
2013-04-21 02:07:50 PM
You both summed it up nicely.
 
2013-04-21 02:14:33 PM
If you don't try to understand them you won't have a problem. Well, you'll have problems, but frustration at not understanding women will not be one of them.
 
2013-04-21 02:14:36 PM

bunner: So far, afaict, the gist of what passes for feminism these days is basically, "we still get a free ride, but you have to drive to where WE  want to go and you pay for the gas."  And that's sad, because feminism, as on the original label was long overdue and necessary.


Some take it further:
i560.photobucket.com

To sort of stay on topic; I'm a guy and I do not understand this woman. Screen-punchy video is here, for those who are interested.
 
2013-04-21 02:20:20 PM
I have always believed that the essential difference between men and women is that, to a woman, emotion is an integral component of logic, and to a man, emotion is the precise opposite of logic.

Communication between men and women is therefore impossible until the man pretends to realize that emotion and logic are interchangeable.
 
2013-04-21 02:24:09 PM

Mambo Bananapatch: I have always believed that the essential difference between men and women is that, to a woman, emotion is an integral component of logic, and to a man, emotion is the precise opposite of logic.

Communication between men and women is therefore impossible until the man pretends to realize that emotion and logic are interchangeable.


That, and I'll openly admit- I have had instances where I thought I was being logical, but how things made sense in my head and how things made sense in his was like comparing a C++ textbook in Cantonese to a bible in Klingon.
 
2013-04-21 02:26:49 PM

albatros183: WTF are you talking about..


Now I understand, have a sweetie..
 
2013-04-21 02:27:29 PM

Fuggin Bizzy: I don't understand women at all. See, I'm a nice guy, I'd never ever hit a woman, and I'd do anything to make her happy. I adore women, but they always - and I mean always - run off with some jerk who's going to hit them or shame them about their appearance or whatever. I'm enough of a prick, that's my problem.


This is the truth unfortunatley. Bhell a couple days ago my roomate brought a girl by and we all started drinking.
she was quite into me. Both of us really. At one point my roomate said he actually likes her hands off.
I started trying to repulse her. Became rude and started talking sh*t in general. Did it work?
nah man she started grabbing up on me and nibbling my ears right in front of him.
so i went to the pub up the street.

couple weeks ago i went out with a girl i was actually into.
i was nice polite tried to engage her in conversation.
she was a snobby c*nt the entire time. At the end of the evening i was forced to ask her how many men she has turned gay.
 
2013-04-21 02:28:05 PM

Uncle Tractor: this woman


Made it to 1:20. No way in HELL I'd use her as an example for most women's behavior, and I am guessing her frustration didn't start when the video does. Someone had to have been thinking "She bout to snap, let's document it!".
 
2013-04-21 02:31:00 PM

Mambo Bananapatch: I have always believed that the essential difference between men and women is that, to a woman, emotion is an integral component of logic, and to a man, emotion is the precise opposite of logic.

Communication between men and women is therefore impossible until the man pretends to realize that emotion and logic are interchangeable.


Men use logic to sort emotion.

Equals ≠ Same
 
2013-04-21 02:37:01 PM

WhippingBoy: He's not that into you, but he doesn't want to burn any bridges.


That's what I figure, but instead of agreeing to go for a drink, why not say he was busy, or text and say "sorry, it's not going to work this week". And why act so excited to see me the next time he sees me? On the plus side, it's getting to the point where I'm able to logically convince myself that he's not worth it.
 
2013-04-21 02:37:16 PM

Uncle Tractor: bunner: So far, afaict, the gist of what passes for feminism these days is basically, "we still get a free ride, but you have to drive to where WE  want to go and you pay for the gas."  And that's sad, because feminism, as on the original label was long overdue and necessary.

Some take it further:
[i560.photobucket.com image 640x390]

To sort of stay on topic; I'm a guy and I do not understand this woman. Screen-punchy video is here, for those who are interested.


Good lord, I want to punch my screen just from viewing that picture, let alone the video.

/she has an ultra mega biatch-face.
 
2013-04-21 02:39:05 PM

kiwimoogle84: FNORD


I thought I was up on my Internet shorties, but ..."FNORD"?
 
2013-04-21 02:41:56 PM

kiwimoogle84: Honestly, I like to think I understood men, until I met Mr Kiwi. He's not into sports and distracting him with sex doesn't work that well. He's actually the complicated one in our relationship- stems from childhood and ex-girlfriend issues. So we have trouble communicating sometimes because he won't budge on certain things and I'm, well, I'll say it- pregnant. Which makes me scatterbrained and overly emotional.

However, I DO hate the chicks who say they're fine but really want reassurance or something. That pisses me off. I don't do that- but I am guilty of other typical woman behaviors at the moment so I'll shut up for now.


Congrats on the bun in the oven
 
2013-04-21 02:43:18 PM

Mambo Bananapatch: I have always believed that the essential difference between men and women is that, to a woman, emotion is an integral component of logic, and to a man, emotion is the precise opposite of logic.

Communication between men and women is therefore impossible until the man pretends to realize that emotion and logic are interchangeable.


This is sexist bullshiat. Both men and women are similarly highly emotional and highly logical.

Culturally, men tend to underestimate their level of emotion and the role it plays in their decision-making. We think we're being rational when in reality the way we feel about something has caused us to irrationally eliminate perfectly logical options. We get angry when we're called out on this dishonesty and make lame excuses about "not being the touchy-feely type".

Similarly, women tend to be typecast as "hysterical", which some women sometimes use as a crutch when making an impulsive decision.

Both men and women have a responsibility to be honest with themselves and with each other. Both men and women are prone to fail at this as they learn how.

Don't make the error of stereotyping like this. We're really not that different.
 
2013-04-21 02:43:21 PM
Growing up at home over the years and seeing how my mom acts in situations, I got my dad to admit that she is happy when she is self inflicted miserable. Like, she complains about all the work she does when she requests that the family come over for Christmas. Every year. She hates all the work she decides to do. So I told her to have someone else cover Christmas instead. You know, giving her out from needing to do all this work she hates.

That pissed her off even more. Like, how dare I try to help.
 
2013-04-21 02:44:09 PM

Uncle Tractor: bunner: So far, afaict, the gist of what passes for feminism these days is basically, "we still get a free ride, but you have to drive to where WE  want to go and you pay for the gas."  And that's sad, because feminism, as on the original label was long overdue and necessary.

Some take it further:
[i560.photobucket.com image 640x390]

To sort of stay on topic; I'm a guy and I do not understand this woman. Screen-punchy video is here, for those who are interested.


She sounds exactly the way she looks, and is saying exactly what you would expect. I watched 18 seconds.
 
2013-04-21 02:45:14 PM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Mambo Bananapatch: I have always believed that the essential difference between men and women is that, to a woman, emotion is an integral component of logic, and to a man, emotion is the precise opposite of logic.

Communication between men and women is therefore impossible until the man pretends to realize that emotion and logic are interchangeable.

This is sexist bullshiat. Both men and women are similarly highly emotional and highly logical.

Culturally, men tend to underestimate their level of emotion and the role it plays in their decision-making. We think we're being rational when in reality the way we feel about something has caused us to irrationally eliminate perfectly logical options. We get angry when we're called out on this dishonesty and make lame excuses about "not being the touchy-feely type".

Similarly, women tend to be typecast as "hysterical", which some women sometimes use as a crutch when making an impulsive decision.

Both men and women have a responsibility to be honest with themselves and with each other. Both men and women are prone to fail at this as they learn how.

Don't make the error of stereotyping like this. We're really not that different.


I've always enjoyed positive relationships with women using this method, and yes we are that different.
 
2013-04-21 02:49:37 PM
Mrs. Banned would be understood better if she could correct one thing -- to not ask a question to make a statement.

OK, 2 things -- don't assume I am making a statement when I ask a question.
 
2013-04-21 02:50:53 PM

OscarTamerz: Men evolved, women didn't.


LOL. It is cute you managed to use the word "evolved" in such a way that would  almost fool the reader into believing you knew what you were talking about.

TrollScore™: 2/10

i651.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-21 02:51:46 PM

Uncle Tractor: bunner: So far, afaict, the gist of what passes for feminism these days is basically, "we still get a free ride, but you have to drive to where WE  want to go and you pay for the gas."  And that's sad, because feminism, as on the original label was long overdue and necessary.

Some take it further:


To sort of stay on topic; I'm a guy and I do not understand this woman. Screen-punchy video is here, for those who are interested.


Yep women like her are why I laugh and pat womyn on the head when they babble on about their rights.

here is a hint. Boys vs girls is a classroom tool used in english and geography lessons in elementary school.

it is not something with wich to form the basis of your life around.

equal pay? single women already make more than male counterparts.
higher education? Its almost entirely female oriented.
mainly because as a man you feel entirely unwelcome the moment you enter a college or university.

rape culture? Look just about every woman thats ever been raped has had a father or a son a boyfriend or a brother
thats been effected by it. So rape culture is nonsense. Most men would rip a rapist apart if they had the chance.

feminism. Mra's? Men and women used to love eachother.
this us vs them crap has been tearing us apart for generations now
 
2013-04-21 02:52:56 PM

Uncle Tractor: bunner: So far, afaict, the gist of what passes for feminism these days is basically, "we still get a free ride, but you have to drive to where WE  want to go and you pay for the gas."  And that's sad, because feminism, as on the original label was long overdue and necessary.

Some take it further:
[i560.photobucket.com image 640x390]

To sort of stay on topic; I'm a guy and I do not understand this woman. Screen-punchy video is here, for those who are interested.


Damn, that is one angry b*tch.
Penis envy.
 
2013-04-21 02:56:16 PM

Mambo Bananapatch: kiwimoogle84: FNORD

I thought I was up on my Internet shorties, but ..."FNORD"?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fnord
 
2013-04-21 02:57:01 PM

Bedstead Polisher: WhippingBoy: He's not that into you, but he doesn't want to burn any bridges.

That's what I figure, but instead of agreeing to go for a drink, why not say he was busy, or text and say "sorry, it's not going to work this week". And why act so excited to see me the next time he sees me? On the plus side, it's getting to the point where I'm able to logically convince myself that he's not worth it.


I'm guessing because he's inexperienced and overwhelmed.

I'm not proud of it, but I've done that to a girl once or twice. It's usually due to the "when it rains it pours phenomenon". I handled it about as well as he's doing (by which I mean it was a painful but valuable lesson).

In my opinion (whatever that's worth), you have two options. If you still dig him, tell him it's now or never. If the thought of being put on reserve insults you, tell him it's too late and that you're moving on. From your post it sounds like you're better off with the latter, but really the only wrong answer is torturing yourself with "what if?".

Hope that helps
 
2013-04-21 03:02:16 PM

kiwimoogle84: Mambo Bananapatch: kiwimoogle84: FNORD

I thought I was up on my Internet shorties, but ..."FNORD"?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fnord


Well, that is one freaky shortie.
 
2013-04-21 03:04:03 PM

Mambo Bananapatch: kiwimoogle84: FNORD

I thought I was up on my Internet shorties, but ..."FNORD"?


I SEE IT!  I CAN FINALLY SEE IT!
 
2013-04-21 03:04:38 PM
Narf, poit, zort, fnord.

cheekycannibal.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-04-21 03:18:28 PM

Hoarf: Mambo Bananapatch: kiwimoogle84: FNORD

I thought I was up on my Internet shorties, but ..."FNORD"?

I SEE IT!  I CAN FINALLY SEE IT!


See what? I don't see anything.
 
2013-04-21 03:19:14 PM
At least since I found out what "      " meant.
 
2013-04-21 03:40:19 PM

Lady Indica: We (women and I'm speaking in SUPER generalistic terms blah blah blah) have a need for emotional decompression. We do NOT want you to problem solve when we're doing this. We want empathy and decompression. When we are looking to problem solve, we're VERY clear about it and it's a completely different approach. The 'non-stop' talking is our decompression. When we want/seek advice, it's more conversational. We *need* one sided conversations for dumping, we just do.

We have a *need* for this, we really do. And if your woman stops doing this with you...it's a very bad sign. But don't tune us out completely, try to at least follow the jist. We want you to give a shiat about us, and it's about the feelings on this one.


You know what bothers me the most here?

If I spent my time trying to get other people to listen to all my little petty opinions, I'd be a freaking pariah.

... and if you didn't have a vagina, you would be too. Basically, you're only tolerated because people want to have sexual intercourse with the parts of you that don't yammer on.

In fact, why don't we just make the assumption that while you're talking away, you just get naked and let us have sex with you right there. Then at least we'll get something - ANYTHING - out of the lost hours of our life.
 
2013-04-21 04:05:46 PM

s2s2s2: Made it to 1:20. No way in HELL I'd use her as an example for most women's behavior,


Neither would I (which is why I used the word "some"). However, I once knew a girl like her ...

and I am guessing her frustration didn't start when the video does. Someone had to have been thinking "She bout to snap, let's document it!".

Google "big red Toronto mra" if you want to full story.
 
2013-04-21 04:58:03 PM

bunner:


oh god its so true.
 
2013-04-21 05:26:45 PM

Psycoholic_Slag: Uncle Tractor: bunner: So far, afaict, the gist of what passes for feminism these days is basically, "we still get a free ride, but you have to drive to where WE  want to go and you pay for the gas."  And that's sad, because feminism, as on the original label was long overdue and necessary.

Some take it further:
[i560.photobucket.com image 640x390]

To sort of stay on topic; I'm a guy and I do not understand this woman. Screen-punchy video is here, for those who are interested.

Damn, that is one angry b*tch.
Penis envy.


I've got 5.4.3.2.1...?
 
2013-04-21 05:31:14 PM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: I'm guessing because he's inexperienced and overwhelmed.


That might be possible. The people who know I'm into him (all women) are completely baffled as to why I like him. So even though he's not young, it's possible he's not used to female attention. Thanks for your post.
 
2013-04-21 05:34:48 PM

chaosangel: As a woman, I must admit that they are really difficult to read & I truly feel for guys.  Women often aren't sure what they want, but they expect men to "know" what they want anyway, or "know" what they are thinking/need, etc.  They will lie that everything is "fine", when they are mad.  Then they just stew about it until they blow up.

However, it's not just with men.  They do that with each other as well.  Pretend things are ok, then biatch about each other behind their backs until they get an opportunity to stab you in the back.  Or, they will just be really catty to you, but avoid any chance to discuss any issues & deal with the problem.  Which is why all of my best friends are men, or women who are not girlie girls.

Guys are simple.  They want sex, beer & food.  Maybe a back rub too.  When they are mad, they punch each other out, sometimes literally, go have a beer & everything is fine.  So, even though I'm bi, I really prefer men.


Did you say BIE?   I hope so?
 
2013-04-21 06:27:03 PM
Hermione_Granger   2013-04-21 09:58:47 AM  
The article pretty much makes the point that men simply haven't evolved.
I concur.

 Arachnophobe: Hermione_Granger:

So what are you trying to say?

s2s2s2   2013-04-21 10:24:35 AM
That women can't compete with under evolved men.

gaslight [TotalFark]
Who's got the money and power again?



Competition
Money
Power

We're not even having the same conversation. Women see the glass as half empty. Men see the glass as theirs.
 
2013-04-21 06:39:07 PM

Uncle Tractor: bunner: So far, afaict, the gist of what passes for feminism these days is basically, "we still get a free ride, but you have to drive to where WE  want to go and you pay for the gas."  And that's sad, because feminism, as on the original label was long overdue and necessary.

Some take it further:
[i560.photobucket.com image 640x390]

To sort of stay on topic; I'm a guy and I do not understand this woman. Screen-punchy video is here, for those who are interested.


I lasted 35 seconds. I feel sorry for people like her. At the same time, I would avoid that like Herpes Simplex 10.
 
2013-04-21 06:42:20 PM

Hermione_Granger: Hermione_Granger   2013-04-21 09:58:47 AM  
The article pretty much makes the point that men simply haven't evolved.
I concur.
 Arachnophobe: Hermione_Granger:

So what are you trying to say?

s2s2s2   2013-04-21 10:24:35 AM
That women can't compete with under evolved men.

gaslight [TotalFark]
Who's got the money and power again?


Competition
Money
Power

We're not even having the same conversation. Women see the glass as half empty. Men see the glass as theirs.


Fight for the glass, don't say, "Men, you need to back down and give us some of it." If that's your strategy, you don't deserve it.
 
2013-04-21 06:46:27 PM

browntimmy: Hermione_Granger: Hermione_Granger   2013-04-21 09:58:47 AM  
The article pretty much makes the point that men simply haven't evolved.
I concur.
 Arachnophobe: Hermione_Granger:

So what are you trying to say?

s2s2s2   2013-04-21 10:24:35 AM
That women can't compete with under evolved men.

gaslight [TotalFark]
Who's got the money and power again?


Competition
Money
Power

We're not even having the same conversation. Women see the glass as half empty. Men see the glass as theirs.

Fight for the glass, don't say, "Men, you need to back down and give us some of it." If that's your strategy, you don't deserve it.


I have a better idea. Instead of fighting over a glass that men made, make your own glass.
 
2013-04-21 07:19:34 PM
Well, it may be true that men don't understand women all that well, but since I've been on meds, there's been a lot less complaining and fighting between me and the old man.  Now I just tend to work things out in my own head and if I want to be alone to rant/think, I flip on Lifetime/OWN and drive the men from the basement for a couple of hours of peace and quiet (even though I also secretly hate Say Yes to the Dress, Fix My Life, etc, it buys me alone time).

/meds FTW, this post not sponsored by Celexa but by it's generic equivalent, oh and an honorary mention to my occasional visitor, Ativan when things get really nasty
 
2013-04-21 07:34:27 PM

Mambo Bananapatch: At least since I found out what "      " meant.


The MIB will be by to denuralize you shortly. I may have spelled that wrong. Well %$#@ happens. Now where did I place Schrodinger's  cat?
 
2013-04-21 09:47:41 PM
These threads are always better on a Friday.
 
2013-04-21 09:56:56 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: God creates dinosaurs.

God destroys dinosaurs.

God creates man.

Man destroys God.

Man creates dinosaurs.


No Jurassic Park fans here, huh? Ok, I'll bite:
"Dinosaurs eat man.  Woman inherits the earth."

As for the study itself, I always wonder how accurate the pictures they use are.  If you tell someone to act scared and take a picture, and then only show their eyes to another person, I'm not sure how valid the study is.  "Bored, but pretending to be scared" is a very different emotion from "terrified."
 
2013-04-21 10:49:32 PM
teenage mutant ninja rapist:
higher education? Its almost entirely female oriented.
mainly because as a man you feel entirely unwelcome the moment you enter a college or university.



Dunno what school you went to or visited, but where I graduated (class of 2012) I felt very welcome, even though most of my classmates were 20 years my junior. I can't even count how often I was invited to their clubs and parties and raves... I did hit a few of them, and yes I kept up. Damn near killed me, but I could party my ass off at their age, and I still got some left.
Methinks thou doth protest too much..
 
2013-04-21 11:47:44 PM
God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.
 
2013-04-22 12:34:50 AM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: feminism. Mra's? Men and women used to love eachother.
this us vs them crap has been tearing us apart for generations now


Ah, but there's a reason for that.  A few.

It moves money around.  Thant makes rich people richer without actually having to create value.

Another, and more obvious one is, if you can flood popular culture with a given zeitgeist of bad ideas and present them as a crucial dichotomy in which you must pick up one flag or the other, it keeps the serfs from paying attention to the emperor's naked ass and his purse full of gold.  Because they're too busy screaming fire and brimstone at each about whatever they've been told they're being screwed out of.

As long as you print the access to every necessity on earth, it doesn't haveto have value and if the people who are forced to use it to live are busy blaming each other for the fact that they don't have a pot to piss in because, men, women, brown people, white people, etc..., you have what's called "crowd control".  And every so often, somebody goes full chimpanzee and wipes out a small school or shoots somebody for their bank notes and the people who own the joint harrumph "collateral damage" and add a fingerprint scanner to their door lock and sleep like a brick.  I blame the entitlement whores, the patriarchy and Mexican carpenters stealing our jerbs.  *snort*  Pretty garage sale little culture we've built here, ain't it?
 
2013-04-22 02:48:16 AM
 browntimmy       2013-04-21 06:42:20 PM  
  Fight for the glass, don't say, "Men, you need to back down and give us some of it." If that's your strategy, you don't deserve it.

WhippingBoy       2013-04-21 06:46:27 PM  
   I have a better idea. Instead of fighting over a glass that men made, make your own glass.



Both of you are assuming a lot. You're assuming that it wasn't my glass to being with.  You're assuming that men made the glass. You're assuming that women have some "strategy" for keeping the glass away from you.

And both of you seem to feel there needs to be some sort of struggle over the glasses. There is no room in your simplistic and needlessly violent minds for simply sharing.

This is why men are idiots. Everything is a fight. They have not evolved enough to know when to chill the fark out.

It is ok to coexist.
 
2013-04-22 07:58:30 AM

CynicalLA: chaosangel: As a woman, I must admit that they are really difficult to read & I truly feel for guys.  Women often aren't sure what they want, but they expect men to "know" what they want anyway, or "know" what they are thinking/need, etc.  They will lie that everything is "fine", when they are mad.  Then they just stew about it until they blow up.

However, it's not just with men.  They do that with each other as well.  Pretend things are ok, then biatch about each other behind their backs until they get an opportunity to stab you in the back.  Or, they will just be really catty to you, but avoid any chance to discuss any issues & deal with the problem.  Which is why all of my best friends are men, or women who are not girlie girls.

Guys are simple.  They want sex, beer & food.  Maybe a back rub too.  When they are mad, they punch each other out, sometimes literally, go have a beer & everything is fine.  So, even though I'm bi, I really prefer men.

Did you say BIE?   I hope so?


I've been meaning to ask what BIE means & now it seems I must.  Dammit, now I have to remember to check back on this thread too....
 
2013-04-22 09:10:13 AM

kiwimoogle84: bunner: So far, afaict, the gist of what passes for feminism these days is basically, "we still get a free ride, but you have to drive to where WE  want to go and you pay for the gas."  And that's sad, because feminism, as on the original label was long overdue and necessary.

I HATE THIS. I have angry feminist friends, and they're all "campaign for equal wages!" And stuff of that nature. I asked my friend one time if that meant she intended to get her own doors and buy him the meal on the first date. Her serious answer was "that's the man's job." I wanted to punch her. You can't have equality in all things and then get special treatment, you slag.


I'm a feminist, and I happily pay on dates, or drive, or take charge and set the location... But I'm also a woman, and aware that there are plenty of men whose self-image relies on being the one to do those things, so I will also happily let them do those things if they want. I'm one of those man-loving feminists :) ... But I do think that the vocal feminists often make us mainstream feminists look bad.
 
2013-04-22 09:47:58 AM

kiwimoogle84: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Lady Indica: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: WhippingBoy: Holy crap, no kidding. I can't count the times I've thought to myself "It's been 15 minutes of non-stop talking, and I *still* have no idea what she wants from me or what the problem is".

She just wants you to listen. Maintain eye contact and throw in a "Really?" or "Why's that?" every so often. More often than not there isn't a problem or solution. They just want to hear "Yeah that's so inconsiderate of that other person."

We (women and I'm speaking in SUPER generalistic terms blah blah blah) have a need for emotional decompression. We do NOT want you to problem solve when we're doing this. We want empathy and decompression. When we are looking to problem solve, we're VERY clear about it and it's a completely different approach. The 'non-stop' talking is our decompression. When we want/seek advice, it's more conversational. We *need* one sided conversations for dumping, we just do.

We have a *need* for this, we really do. And if your woman stops doing this with you...it's a very bad sign. But don't tune us out completely, try to at least follow the jist. We want you to give a shiat about us, and it's about the feelings on this one.

Everything you said is true.

My angst on the subject is when I say I need to vent and proceed to do so, previous girlfriends have said, "Why are you bothering me with this shiat?"

Protip gents: I've learned the hard way that this is a solid cue to say "Yeah, well, now you know how I feel" and end the relationship to find someone wiser (or at least less selfish). ;)

If you say you want equality, don't complain when you get equality.

/the current girlfriend's done alright, she might be a keeper

I second this. Considering the fact that Mr Kiwi is abnormally closed off 99% of the time, I cherish when he actually does open up. I vent at him a lot- he doesn't care. As soon as he gets going about something, I instantly shut up and pay attention. It happens very rarely, just who he is, and I'm trying to prove that for once, he's got someone that gives a shiat what he has to say.


Mrs Kiwi, congrats on the baby... Just a comment from a stranger on the net, what your describing sounds *really* familiar, as in "I think I said the same things almost word for word" familiar, and "I wish I had known that was a red flag before I ended up in this hellish place" familiar. I really hope that's not where yours goes, but keep an eye on yourself - how much bending and accommodating you are doing versus him, how much stuff you're excusing due to childhood stuff, how happy he is versus how happy you are. Just, you know, remember that pregnancy can make you crazy, or can strip away the "I want it to be ok" part so that the real problems bubble up. Again, this is just my application of my experience to yours, and it may be waaaaay off - just keep your eyes open, and consider reading "Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft.
 
2013-04-22 10:01:34 AM

tentaculistic: But I do think that the vocal feminists often make us mainstream feminists look bad.


Understatement of the century.
 
2013-04-22 11:44:36 AM

Hermione_Granger: browntimmy       2013-04-21 06:42:20 PM  
  Fight for the glass, don't say, "Men, you need to back down and give us some of it." If that's your strategy, you don't deserve it.

WhippingBoy       2013-04-21 06:46:27 PM  
   I have a better idea. Instead of fighting over a glass that men made, make your own glass.


Both of you are assuming a lot. You're assuming that it wasn't my glass to being with.  You're assuming that men made the glass. You're assuming that women have some "strategy" for keeping the glass away from you.

And both of you seem to feel there needs to be some sort of struggle over the glasses. There is no room in your simplistic and needlessly violent minds for simply sharing.

This is why men are idiots. Everything is a fight. They have not evolved enough to know when to chill the fark out.

It is ok to coexist.


That all sounds very nice but now take a look at the entire natural order of the world and realize we are a part of it.
 
2013-04-22 01:36:44 PM

browntimmy: This is why men are idiots. Everything is a fight.


Like cake wars?
 
2013-04-22 02:39:29 PM

tentaculistic: kiwimoogle84: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Lady Indica: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: WhippingBoy: Holy crap, no kidding. I can't count the times I've thought to myself "It's been 15 minutes of non-stop talking, and I *still* have no idea what she wants from me or what the problem is".

She just wants you to listen. Maintain eye contact and throw in a "Really?" or "Why's that?" every so often. More often than not there isn't a problem or solution. They just want to hear "Yeah that's so inconsiderate of that other person."

We (women and I'm speaking in SUPER generalistic terms blah blah blah) have a need for emotional decompression. We do NOT want you to problem solve when we're doing this. We want empathy and decompression. When we are looking to problem solve, we're VERY clear about it and it's a completely different approach. The 'non-stop' talking is our decompression. When we want/seek advice, it's more conversational. We *need* one sided conversations for dumping, we just do.

We have a *need* for this, we really do. And if your woman stops doing this with you...it's a very bad sign. But don't tune us out completely, try to at least follow the jist. We want you to give a shiat about us, and it's about the feelings on this one.

Everything you said is true.

My angst on the subject is when I say I need to vent and proceed to do so, previous girlfriends have said, "Why are you bothering me with this shiat?"

Protip gents: I've learned the hard way that this is a solid cue to say "Yeah, well, now you know how I feel" and end the relationship to find someone wiser (or at least less selfish). ;)

If you say you want equality, don't complain when you get equality.

/the current girlfriend's done alright, she might be a keeper

I second this. Considering the fact that Mr Kiwi is abnormally closed off 99% of the time, I cherish when he actually does open up. I vent at him a lot- he doesn't care. As soon as he gets going about something, I instantly shut up and pay attention. It happens very rarely, just who he is, and I'm trying to prove that for once, he's got someone that gives a shiat what he has to say.

Mrs Kiwi, congrats on the baby... Just a comment from a stranger on the net, what your describing sounds *really* familiar, as in "I think I said the same things almost word for word" familiar, and "I wish I had known that was a red flag before I ended up in this hellish place" familiar. I really hope that's not where yours goes, but keep an eye on yourself - how much bending and accommodating you are doing versus him, how much stuff you're excusing due to childhood stuff, how happy he is versus how happy you are. Just, you know, remember that pregnancy can make you crazy, or can strip away the "I want it to be ok" part so that the real problems bubble up. Again, this is just my application of my experience to yours, and it may be waaaaay off - just keep your eyes open, and consider reading "Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft.


First off, thanks for your views on your particular form of feminism. It comes in many, and I just happen to know people who are terrible about it- I realize you aren't all the same.

Secondly...oh boy, where to begin. I empathize with the red flag portion, however, his is due to years and years of abuse. All kinds of it. In his own words, "opening up is like taking a scalpel, slicing open my chest, and just waiting for the salt to be thrown."

I'm not going to deny AT ALL that he has issues, he'll readily admit that himself. But we do have a complicated balance right now, since he's been stepped on by exes for a solid decade who never cared about his needs or cared what he has to say. So he decided that never again would his needs NOT be met and there's certain things he WILL NOT compromise on. I understand exactly why he is the way he is.

Now that he's in a HEALTHY relationship, he almost doesn't know what to do with it. It's unfamiliar. So I'm very patient with him because even him expressing when he's a little upset with me for something I did is HUGE progress. We have our tense spots where my needs aren't being met but he swears he's doing his best. But on the whole, we're very happy, and I understand the place in his head, the little voices of doubt that make him closed off. And it's ok. I don't push him.

I do appreciate where you're coming from, and had he just been some random person I started dating, it might give me pause. But I've known him for years and I have the ex who did most of this crap to him on a blacklist. We understand each other for the most part- I give him space and he brings home blueberry frozen yogurt. Win win :)
 
2013-04-22 04:12:49 PM

kiwimoogle84: tentaculistic: kiwimoogle84: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Lady Indica: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: WhippingBoy: Holy crap, no kidding. I can't count the times I've thought to myself "It's been 15 minutes of non-stop talking, and I *still* have no idea what she wants from me or what the problem is".

She just wants you to listen. Maintain eye contact and throw in a "Really?" or "Why's that?" every so often. More often than not there isn't a problem or solution. They just want to hear "Yeah that's so inconsiderate of that other person."

We (women and I'm speaking in SUPER generalistic terms blah blah blah) have a need for emotional decompression. We do NOT want you to problem solve when we're doing this. We want empathy and decompression. When we are looking to problem solve, we're VERY clear about it and it's a completely different approach. The 'non-stop' talking is our decompression. When we want/seek advice, it's more conversational. We *need* one sided conversations for dumping, we just do.

We have a *need* for this, we really do. And if your woman stops doing this with you...it's a very bad sign. But don't tune us out completely, try to at least follow the jist. We want you to give a shiat about us, and it's about the feelings on this one.

Everything you said is true.

My angst on the subject is when I say I need to vent and proceed to do so, previous girlfriends have said, "Why are you bothering me with this shiat?"

Protip gents: I've learned the hard way that this is a solid cue to say "Yeah, well, now you know how I feel" and end the relationship to find someone wiser (or at least less selfish). ;)

If you say you want equality, don't complain when you get equality.

/the current girlfriend's done alright, she might be a keeper

I second this. Considering the fact that Mr Kiwi is abnormally closed off 99% of the time, I cherish when he actually does open up. I vent at him a lot- he doesn't care. As soon as he gets going about something, I instantly shut up and pay attention. It happens very rarely, just who he is, and I'm trying to prove that for once, he's got someone that gives a shiat what he has to say.

Mrs Kiwi, congrats on the baby... Just a comment from a stranger on the net, what your describing sounds *really* familiar, as in "I think I said the same things almost word for word" familiar, and "I wish I had known that was a red flag before I ended up in this hellish place" familiar. I really hope that's not where yours goes, but keep an eye on yourself - how much bending and accommodating you are doing versus him, how much stuff you're excusing due to childhood stuff, how happy he is versus how happy you are. Just, you know, remember that pregnancy can make you crazy, or can strip away the "I want it to be ok" part so that the real problems bubble up. Again, this is just my application of my experience to yours, and it may be waaaaay off - just keep your eyes open, and consider reading "Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft.

First off, thanks for your views on your particular form of feminism. It comes in many, and I just happen to know people who are terrible about it- I realize you aren't all the same.

Secondly...oh boy, where to begin. I empathize with the red flag portion, however, his is due to years and years of abuse. All kinds of it. In his own words, "opening up is like taking a scalpel, slicing open my chest, and just waiting for the salt to be thrown."

I'm not going to deny AT ALL that he has issues, he'll readily admit that himself. But we do have a complicated balance right now, since he's been stepped on by exes for a solid decade who never cared about his needs or cared what he has to say. So he decided that never again would his needs NOT be met and there's certain things he WILL NOT compromise on. I understand exactly why he is the way he is.

Now that he's in a HEALTHY relationship, he almost doesn't know what to do with it. It's unfamiliar. So I'm very patient with him because even him expressing when he's a little upset with me for something I did is HUGE progress. We have our tense spots where my needs aren't being met but he swears he's doing his best. But on the whole, we're very happy, and I understand the place in his head, the little voices of doubt that make him closed off. And it's ok. I don't push him.

I do appreciate where you're coming from, and had he just been some random person I started dating, it might give me pause. But I've known him for years and I have the ex who did most of this crap to him on a blacklist. We understand each other for the most part- I give him space and he brings home blueberry frozen yogurt. Win win :)


Blueberry fro-yo is always good... I'm very likely projecting. :)
 
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