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2013-04-21 08:36:44 AM  
Hats off to Joss Whedon.  A movie full of witty, charming superheroes and the guy we super bestest care about is the ordinary, generic government agent in a suit.
 
2013-04-21 08:37:01 AM  
I'd rather see a Hawkeye/Black Widow spin-off that's less about giant, loud action scenes, and more about them acting as spies and assassins.  That's what Black Widow and Hawkeyeshould be about. Something like a hostage situation - you need them to go in and rescue people without a bad guy realising it's happening. That's something that Hulk, Thor and Iron Man can't do.
 
2013-04-21 08:37:40 AM  
HIS NAME IS AGENT COULSON
 
2013-04-21 08:39:57 AM  

farkeruk: I'd rather see a Hawkeye/Black Widow spin-off that's less about giant, loud action scenes, and more about them acting as spies and assassins.  That's what Black Widow and Hawkeyeshould be about. Something like a hostage situation - you need them to go in and rescue people without a bad guy realising it's happening. That's something that Hulk, Thor and Iron Man can't do.

where he plows her for a few hours.

FTFY
 
2013-04-21 08:42:55 AM  
any nerds of comic lore know any explanations of how coulson could live?
 
2013-04-21 08:52:27 AM  

Dr. Goldshnoz: any nerds of comic lore know any explanations of how coulson could live?


It's the Marvel Universe. Death is more like the common cold.
 
2013-04-21 09:00:33 AM  
Meh.  Either the living Agent Coulson or the dead Agent Coulson is/was a Life Model Decoy.
 
2013-04-21 09:00:36 AM  

Dr. Goldshnoz: any nerds of comic lore know any explanations of how coulson could live?


Three words: Life Model Decoys
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_Model_Decoy
 
2013-04-21 09:01:44 AM  
There was a full SHIELD medical team present when Coulson "died".  Think they might have put him in stasis or did some other comic book magic on him the moment the cameras cut away in the movie?  It's more likely than you think ... and it was what I thought when I saw the movie ;)
 
2013-04-21 09:18:46 AM  

LograyX: Dr. Goldshnoz: any nerds of comic lore know any explanations of how coulson could live?

It's the Marvel Universe. Death is more like the common cold.


1:Super Science!
2:Magic!
3:Alternate universe version brought to this universe
4:Any combination of the above

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that they transferred his memories into an android body or a "synthezoid". AKA The Vision.
 
2013-04-21 09:22:57 AM  
...I STILL say the stinger for Iron Man II should be the doorbell ringing in Tony Stark's apartment, he answers the door, and there's Coulson with that polite smile on his face.

STARK (IN SHOCK): You're....you're dead.

COULSON (AFFABLY):  Yes, sir.  I get that a lot.

/Coulson rocks
 
2013-04-21 09:33:59 AM  

AtlanticCoast63: ...I STILL say the stinger for Iron Man II should be the doorbell ringing in Tony Stark's apartment, he answers the door, and there's Coulson with that polite smile on his face.

STARK (IN SHOCK): You're....you're dead.

COULSON (AFFABLY):  Yes, sir.  I get that a lot.

/Coulson rocks


I think that's the best idea I've ever read.  Honestly, I can see that actually playing out.  No explanation, no back story, just Coulson doing what Coulson does best.  I would pay to see any movie (even a Hawkeye solo venture) with those lines in there.
 
2013-04-21 09:35:08 AM  

JDIAH GDizzleCKY: Dr. Goldshnoz: any nerds of comic lore know any explanations of how coulson could live?

Three words: Life Model Decoys
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_Model_Decoy


The existence of LFDs have already been established in the movie universe thanks to Stark using it as an excuse when he tried to dodge Coulson's visit in The Avengers.  I wouldn't be surprised if Whedon threw that joke in there knowing that Coulson was actually an LFD at that time.
 
2013-04-21 09:38:21 AM  

BigBooper: LograyX: Dr. Goldshnoz: any nerds of comic lore know any explanations of how coulson could live?

It's the Marvel Universe. Death is more like the common cold.

1:Super Science!
2:Magic!
3:Alternate universe version brought to this universe
4:Any combination of the above

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that they transferred his memories into an android body or a "synthezoid". AKA The Vision.


Would be an intriguing way to bring Vision into the picture, but would they need to do Ultron then? Maybe as Avengers 3's villain? We all think Coulson made it through a alive, then suddenly he's Vision and Ultron is effin up everyone's shiat?
 
2013-04-21 09:44:54 AM  

BigBooper: LograyX: Dr. Goldshnoz: any nerds of comic lore know any explanations of how coulson could live?

It's the Marvel Universe. Death is more like the common cold.

1:Super Science!
2:Magic!
3:Alternate universe version brought to this universe
4:Any combination of the above

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that they transferred his memories into an android body or a "synthezoid". AKA The Vision.


FTFA:  The Avengers version of that world is a world that has superheroes and doorways to other dimensions and chaos...

Maybe you have something there.
 
2013-04-21 09:48:07 AM  

yukichigai: Hats off to Joss Whedon.  A movie full of witty, charming superheroes and the guy we super bestest care about is the ordinary, generic government agent in a suit.


No. I felt his scenes took valuable screen time away from Iron Man/Tony Stark being awesome.
 
2013-04-21 09:50:30 AM  
Maybe I should have focused more on what you actually wrote than the HTML formatting.  I meant to highlight the "alternate universe" theory (#3) by associating it with Clarkson's comment on "other dimensions".  On the other hand, his last sentence suggests some more simple explanation:

It would be surprising to me if this was a world where there wasn't some reckoning...the fact that there was some level of deception must have been perpetrated onThe Avengers. It must have been.

The fact that he says "must have" also suggests that he still isn't clear on the plot twist or its explanation.
 
2013-04-21 09:53:25 AM  

INeedAName: BigBooper: LograyX: Dr. Goldshnoz: any nerds of comic lore know any explanations of how coulson could live?

It's the Marvel Universe. Death is more like the common cold.

1:Super Science!
2:Magic!
3:Alternate universe version brought to this universe
4:Any combination of the above

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that they transferred his memories into an android body or a "synthezoid". AKA The Vision.

Would be an intriguing way to bring Vision into the picture, but would they need to do Ultron then? Maybe as Avengers 3's villain? We all think Coulson made it through a alive, then suddenly he's Vision and Ultron is effin up everyone's shiat?


No, trying to stay too faithful to Vision's origin would be a nightmare. We'd not only need Ultron, we'd need to add the original Human Torch, Hank Pym, and Wonder Man (and technically we'd also need Immortus). Forget the proper origin if Coulson's mind is going to be in there instead of Wondy's. Make Vision an experimental infiltration LMD prototype (hence the density-phasing thing) or an LMD that got too close to a density-phlebotinum experiment, or something like that, and call it done. Fanboys will gripe (because that's our reason for existing) but at some level we'll understand.
 
2013-04-21 09:55:06 AM  
I'm okay with this.
 
2013-04-21 10:20:30 AM  
To state the obvious, this entire movie series and the various spin-offs feel like nothing more then a well planned money grab.

I've lost interest.
 
2013-04-21 10:23:19 AM  
He's dead. The transferred his consciousness to a not super-like-Vision but super- like-Data level synthetic android based on the work of Zola and Stark. Same personality with techno quirks, grasping being dead. Can't fly or shift density but can type fast and move circuit boards around.
 
2013-04-21 10:39:36 AM  

blacksharpiemarker: To state the obvious, this entire movie series and the various spin-offs feel like nothing more then a well planned money grab.

I've lost interest.


Personally I only watch all those non-profit comic book superhero movies.  Hell, I don't even own a TV.
 
2013-04-21 10:48:26 AM  
One thing Whedon does well is killing people, and doing so in a credible way that keeps you believing that almost anyone could die at any time. Resurrecting Coulson without a good explanation hurts that. Not impossible, but it does need to be credible.

However, I don't see show a SHIELD show can work without Coulson holding it together.
 
2013-04-21 10:55:17 AM  

jonny_q: One thing Whedon does well is killing people, and doing so in a credible way that keeps you believing that almost anyone could die at any time. Resurrecting Coulson without a good explanation hurts that. Not impossible, but it does need to be credible.

However, I don't see show a SHIELD show can work without Coulson holding it together.


Exactly.  That's why I'm expecting the Iron Man 3 stinger after the credits to feature or hint at Coulson's return.  It's also possible that it could serve as the plot of the pilot for the series.

My money is on the Coulson that died in Avengers being an LMD put in place by Fury's superiors, since they seemed to not trust him 100%.
 
2013-04-21 10:57:04 AM  

AtlanticCoast63: ...I STILL say the stinger for Iron Man II should be the doorbell ringing in Tony Stark's apartment, he answers the door, and there's Coulson with that polite smile on his face.

STARK (IN SHOCK): You're....you're dead.

COULSON (AFFABLY):  Yes, sir.  I get that a lot.

/Coulson rocks


Too bad Iron Man II has already come out.  You must have meant Iron Man III.  It is a good idea though.
 
2013-04-21 11:37:52 AM  
Only 4 people in comics are truly dead: Ben Parker, Bruce Wayne's parents, and Boston Brand.

It would be so cool if they brought Coulson back wihtout any fanfare or explanation. Whenever he was asked, "Weren't you dead?' Coulson should just say, "Yeah, I get that a lot."
 
2013-04-21 11:46:18 AM  

Summer Glau's Love Slave: Only 4 people in comics are truly dead: Ben Parker, Bruce Wayne's parents, and Boston Brand.


We used to say the same thing about Bucky.
 
2013-04-21 11:52:12 AM  

yukichigai: Hats off to Joss Whedon.  A movie full of witty, charming superheroes and the guy we super bestest care about is the ordinary, generic government agent in a suit.


Um... we don't give a shiat about him.  The other characters in the movie randomly decide he's important 80% of the way through the movie for essentially no reason whatsoever.

I mean, it's obvious that Whedon really  wants us to care, but all the effort is largely unsuccessful.  No one cares about Hawkeye, either.
 
2013-04-21 12:05:16 PM  

Jim_Callahan: The other characters in the movie randomly decide he's important 80% of the way through the movie for essentially no reason whatsoever.


We liked him from other movies. He was fun in  Iron Man. He was fun in  Thor. He had a great moment on a DVD extra for  Thor. In  Avengers, he basically existed to die for no reason other than to reinforce the fact that shiat was serious.
 
2013-04-21 12:16:14 PM  

BigLuca: blacksharpiemarker: To state the obvious, this entire movie series and the various spin-offs feel like nothing more then a well planned money grab.

I've lost interest.

Personally I only watch all those non-profit comic book superhero movies.  Hell, I don't even own a TV.


Not too many superheroes on PBS these days, anyway. Spider-Man did that stint on the Electric Company, but that was decades ago.
 
2013-04-21 12:22:20 PM  

NeoCortex42: Summer Glau's Love Slave: Only 4 people in comics are truly dead: Ben Parker, Bruce Wayne's parents, and Boston Brand.

We used to say the same thing about Bucky.


Bucky dying wasn't necessary for Cap's origin, so he isn't a fixed point in the emotional core of the story that can't be changed.
 
2013-04-21 12:25:50 PM  

Mad_Radhu: NeoCortex42: Summer Glau's Love Slave: Only 4 people in comics are truly dead: Ben Parker, Bruce Wayne's parents, and Boston Brand.

We used to say the same thing about Bucky.

Bucky dying wasn't necessary for Cap's origin, so he isn't a fixed point in the emotional core of the story that can't be changed.


Similarly, Krypton has to blown up, Daredevil's father has to be killed by the Fixer, etc.
 
2013-04-21 12:37:10 PM  

jonny_q: One thing Whedon does well is killing people, and doing so in a credible way that keeps you believing that almost anyone could die at any time. Resurrecting Coulson without a good explanation hurts that. Not impossible, but it does need to be credible.

However, I don't see show a SHIELD show can work without Coulson holding it together.


Probably the best at the 'anyone can die at any moment' game would be Judge Dredd, which goes to hell and back to actually mean anyone at any moment. Random bullet in the head in midsentence. Bye bye, major supporting character.
 
2013-04-21 12:47:17 PM  

47 is the new 42: AtlanticCoast63: ...I STILL say the stinger for Iron Man II should be the doorbell ringing in Tony Stark's apartment, he answers the door, and there's Coulson with that polite smile on his face.

STARK (IN SHOCK): You're....you're dead.

COULSON (AFFABLY):  Yes, sir.  I get that a lot.

/Coulson rocks

Too bad Iron Man II has already come out.  You must have meant Iron Man III.  It is a good idea though.


(edmacmahonON)You are correct, Sir.  Trying to coffee, Dunkin Donuts and post at the same time.
 
2013-04-21 12:50:53 PM  
we'd need to add the original Human Torch

The Human Torch is on display at the Stark event at the beginning of Captain America
 
2013-04-21 12:53:49 PM  

BigLuca: blacksharpiemarker: To state the obvious, this entire movie series and the various spin-offs feel like nothing more then a well planned money grab.

I've lost interest.

Personally I only watch all those non-profit comic book superhero movies.  Hell, I don't even own a TV.


Finally! Somebody who actually saw it! So - was "Green Lantern" as bad as I heard it was?
 
2013-04-21 01:18:15 PM  
Re: black widow spin off. No. Weakest park of the mcu so far. Incredibly wrongly cast (no matter how hot people may feel she is).

Re: ultron, pym, and vision. While not explicitly named, he was the 'collegue' that selvig referred to several times according to whedon.
 
2013-04-21 01:20:00 PM  
NeoCortex42:

My money is on the Coulson that died in Avengers being an LMD put in place by Fury's superiors, since they seemed to not trust him 100%.

So, all the Coulsons we've seen so far have been LMDs, and the real Coulson was running them like
remote drones from some safe place?
 
2013-04-21 01:26:15 PM  
Agent Coulson gives some hints as to how he cheated death...

...'kay.

...and a possible Black Widow spin-off

O.O

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-04-21 01:34:58 PM  

yukichigai: Hats off to Joss Whedon.  A movie full of witty, charming superheroes and the guy we super bestest care about is the ordinary, generic government agent in a suit.


Eh.  I watched Avengers not too long ago, and it is only marginally better than any of the Transformers movies.  I liked The Avengers to porn: the plot exists just enough to get different actors together in different combinations.  Wait for the money shot (usually an explosion or a "joke) and then move on to the next bit of dialogue masquerading as plot.

\yes, I never really liked the Avengers all that much anyway
 
2013-04-21 01:59:05 PM  
Came for Agent Coulson is The Vision. Leaving surprised no one seems to have mentioned.
 
2013-04-21 02:00:06 PM  

Seequinn: NeoCortex42:

My money is on the Coulson that died in Avengers being an LMD put in place by Fury's superiors, since they seemed to not trust him 100%.

So, all the Coulsons we've seen so far have been LMDs, and the real Coulson was running them like
remote drones from some safe place?


He could have been switched out at any time.  I know the comics had an LMD impersonating Fury for a while, while the real Fury had to work from the shadows.
 
2013-04-21 02:05:24 PM  

Summer Glau's Love Slave: Only 4 people in comics are truly dead: Ben Parker, Bruce Wayne's parents, and Boston Brand.


I dunno, Superman's parents(Jor-El somewhat alive in recordings/spirit) and adoptive parents(some versions have them live longer, but they ultimately die)?
 
2013-04-21 02:10:29 PM  
It seems pretty obvious to me. Fury lied about the trading cards in the jacket, why wouldn't he have lied about Colson being dead? He was trying to inspire the heroes to pull together, and "severely wounded" doesn't have the same impact as "dead".
 
2013-04-21 02:19:46 PM  
I don't really care, it's fiction.

Just entertain me, so far so good.
 
2013-04-21 02:42:05 PM  

alaric3: Came for Agent Coulson is The Vision. Leaving surprised no one seems to have mentioned.


What thread are you watching, exactly?
 
2013-04-21 02:44:41 PM  

AtlanticCoast63: ...I STILL say the stinger for Iron Man II should be the doorbell ringing in Tony Stark's apartment, he answers the door, and there's Coulson with that polite smile on his face.

STARK (IN SHOCK): You're....you're dead.

COULSON (AFFABLY):  Yes, sir.  I get that a lot.

/Coulson rocks


Holy farking hell.

Someone call Whedon. We're done here.

*turns out lights
 
2013-04-21 02:50:48 PM  

Summer Glau's Love Slave: Only 4 people in comics are truly dead: Ben Parker, Bruce Wayne's parents, and Boston Brand.


I think they should make a character called Death-Man, among whose superpowers is that, if killed, he remains dead in all continuities and in all dimensions and in all timelines, forever, regardless, no matter what, no exceptions.

You could kill him off in the fourth issue, and then have ten years' worth of material of his super-allies trying and failing to bring him back, and becoming increasingly pissed off because they're used to death being like a mild concussion. "What do you mean, the Infinity Factor didn't revive him? Did you apply the Salve of Immortality that we stole from Thanos the Death-Lord to his bones? Well surely we were at least able to transfer his psychic energies into the android clone... you're kidding me, that always works! Ahhh, fark this asshole, he can stay dead for all I care."

All kinds of potential there. But wait, they brought him back! No, just a dream. But--no, there he is, and it's not a dream! Oh, wait, it's just a shape-shifting villain impersonating him. Aha, but Marvel's coming out with one of their "What If?" comics about him, and it's called "WHAT IF... Death-Man Lived Again?" Oops, it's just a blank page saying "The premise of the title is invalid on its face. Death-Man, having died, can never live again, by definition. You have wasted your money. Excelsior!"

Seriously, the most interesting thing to happen in the comix in the last ten years is when the Black Rings tried to revive Dove's corpse and couldn't. That was the greatest thing that otherwise exceptionally lame hero ever did... he stayed dead. Gives me chills just thinking about it!
 
2013-04-21 03:00:52 PM  

blacksharpiemarker: To state the obvious, this entire movie series and the various spin-offs feel like nothing more then a well planned money grab.

I've lost interest.


Yeah, but they'll lure you back with the spin-off about the guy on the helicarrier that Tony Stark caught playing Galaga.

media.tumblr.com
 
2013-04-21 03:06:30 PM  

NeoCortex42: We used to say the same thing about Bucky.


This one's still dead, the new one has nicer tits.
i.annihil.us
 
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