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(Chicago Trib)   How world's most precious substance lured traders and destroyed cultures, wiped out species, and left behind a bloody trail of destruction and mayhem. Gentlemen, raise your grinders to pepper   (chicagotribune.com) divider line 87
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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-04-20 05:47:15 PM  
raise your grinders to pepper

I was very pleased when the grocery store started carrying pepper jars with built in grinder. Finally no more stale pepper powder. (Stocking my own grinder is way too much work for somebody like me who isn't a food nut.)
 
2013-04-20 06:02:01 PM  
Sounds like they were all in love with dyin'and were drinking from a fountain that was pouring like an avalanchecoming down the mountain.
 
2013-04-20 06:41:37 PM  
Can't the same be said for salt and saffron?
 
2013-04-20 06:42:53 PM  
Hey, unlike gold, you can actually eat it.
 
2013-04-20 06:44:20 PM  
peppermills within peppermills

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2013-04-20 06:44:34 PM  

Summoner101: Can't the same be said for salt and saffron?


I think salt is more available in most locales, and saffron isn't remotely as popular as pepper.

/ Not an expert, just making conversation
 
2013-04-20 06:44:44 PM  
I don't know; salt is probably more bloodstained.
 
2013-04-20 06:45:55 PM  
Pepper: it's nothing to sneeze at.
 
2013-04-20 06:46:04 PM  
And here I though this would be about nutmeg. Manhattan was deeded over from the Dutch to the English as consolation for the English losing a several years war over nutmeg in the South Seas.
 
2013-04-20 06:47:42 PM  
scrapetv.com
 
2013-04-20 06:48:02 PM  
Like today's yellowcake and stuff.
 
2013-04-20 06:48:46 PM  

Summoner101: Can't the same be said for salt and saffron?


Salt isn't a spice, it is a seasoning, but it isn't a spice.
 
2013-04-20 06:49:52 PM  

jaytkay: Summoner101: Can't the same be said for salt and saffron?

I think salt is more available in most locales, and saffron isn't remotely as popular as pepper.

/ Not an expert, just making conversation


Salt is also more necessary to human life.  Did Gandhi march for pepper or salt?
 
2013-04-20 06:50:41 PM  

lasercannon: Summoner101: Can't the same be said for salt and saffron?

Salt isn't a spice, it is a seasoning, but it isn't a spice.


Notice subby said substance.

/DNRTFA
//Like is should be
 
2013-04-20 06:51:11 PM  
more influential than salt ?  a preservative before refrigeration?  i think not clowns.
 
2013-04-20 06:51:49 PM  
Forgot to post this
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2013-04-20 06:52:15 PM  
www.webtvwire.com
Okay.
 
2013-04-20 06:52:40 PM  

Somacandra: Sounds like they were all in love with dyin'and were drinking from a fountain that was pouring like an avalanchecoming down the mountain.


And they didn't mind the sun sometimes?

Or were they doing it in Texas?
 
2013-04-20 06:53:11 PM  

Somacandra: Sounds like they were all in love with dyin'and were drinking from a fountain that was pouring like an avalanchecoming down the mountain.


Just for reference:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CO8vBVUaKvk
 
2013-04-20 06:53:23 PM  
I know that cayenne pepper can help you get some trellium.
 
2013-04-20 06:53:44 PM  

Whack-a-Mole: Like today's yellowcake and stuff.


4.bp.blogspot.com

Who would thought something so delicious could cause so much trouble?
 
2013-04-20 06:55:24 PM  

Summoner101: jaytkay: Summoner101: Can't the same be said for salt and saffron?

I think salt is more available in most locales, and saffron isn't remotely as popular as pepper.

/ Not an expert, just making conversation

Salt is also more necessary to human life.  Did Gandhi march for pepper or salt?


Funny that a guy who marched for a seasoning had so many hunger strikes.
 
2013-04-20 06:55:44 PM  

Mimic_Octopus: more influential than salt ?  a preservative before refrigeration?  i think not clowns.


You don't cross desert's and oceans for salt. But to bring back a few hundred pounds of piper nigrem, maybe. Salt's utility is at odds with it's ubiquity. You might invade Poland for it's salt mines if you're in northern europe, but you wouldn't go half way around the world and subjugate the natives for it.
 
2013-04-20 06:57:55 PM  
I only eat artesian pepper. You wouldn't have heard of it.
 
2013-04-20 06:57:58 PM  
WHY, THANK YOU, PEPPER BOY! THAT'S THE PERFECT AMOUNT OF PEPPER! BRAVO!
 
2013-04-20 06:58:17 PM  

ZAZ: raise your grinders to pepper

I was very pleased when the grocery store started carrying pepper jars with built in grinder. Finally no more stale pepper powder. (Stocking my own grinder is way too much work for somebody like me who isn't a food nut.)


I don't really think I'm a 'food nut' but I started buying bulk peppercorns from a local farmer's market after I realized how much cheaper they were that way. It's especially true if you get the four-color mix (black, white, green, pink) - that stuff could cost you your first born I suspect.

I will admit I have an addiction to (cooking with) spices though. I realized after I had to go through half a cupboard and two boxes of bagged mixes while looking for something that I might have a problem.

/I can stop whenever I want to...
 
2013-04-20 06:59:26 PM  

ski9600: Somacandra: Sounds like they were all in love with dyin'and were drinking from a fountain that was pouring like an avalanchecoming down the mountain.

Just for reference:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CO8vBVUaKvk


I had no idea Ponch was in that video.
 
2013-04-20 06:59:32 PM  

ski9600: Somacandra: Sounds like they were all in love with dyin'and were drinking from a fountain that was pouring like an avalanchecoming down the mountain.

Just for reference:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CO8vBVUaKvk


I guess it should be cinnamon and sugaree.
 
2013-04-20 07:05:09 PM  

Summoner101: Can't the same be said for salt and saffron?


During the height of the Spice Trade pepper and cinnamon were more expensive than saffron. Most saffron in Europe was grown locally, particularly in Britain. The classic spices - resinous, tropical or sub-tropical aromatics - were more valuable, scarcer and had more uses.

Salt is somewhat different. While it could be expensive it was universally necessary. And it could be found in many places. Cloves, by contrast, only grew on a couple small islands in Southeast Asia.
 
2013-04-20 07:07:49 PM  

wildcardjack: Mimic_Octopus: more influential than salt ?  a preservative before refrigeration?  i think not clowns.

You don't cross desert's and oceans for salt. But to bring back a few hundred pounds of piper nigrem, maybe. Salt's utility is at odds with it's ubiquity. You might invade Poland for it's salt mines if you're in northern europe, but you wouldn't go half way around the world and subjugate the natives for it.


True, but pepper did not create the first cities in Europe (as well as many elsewhere, including Jericho. Routes to pepper mines did not create the first roads. pepper did not give the ubiquitous word for pay: salary. Whole nations did not rebel against their overlords because of pepper. learning how to pepper their fish did not allow the Vikings to raid, pillage, and explore a large portion of the Atlantic Ocean, it wasn't pepper revenues that built the Great Wall of China.
 
2013-04-20 07:12:12 PM  
Look, can't we all agree that Salt N Pepa are both equally important and the ones contribution to society is no more important than the others...

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2013-04-20 07:12:20 PM  
I bought this book but haven't read it yet.

Can't wait.
 
2013-04-20 07:14:26 PM  
www.pajiba.com
Enthused
 
2013-04-20 07:16:05 PM  

ZAZ: raise your grinders to pepper

I was very pleased when the grocery store started carrying pepper jars with built in grinder. Finally no more stale pepper powder. (Stocking my own grinder is way too much work for somebody like me who isn't a food nut.)


WTF.

You consider owning a pepper mill "work"? How did you get ground pepper corns prior to your discovery?

If you don't have access to something as basic as pepper in your kitchen, I'd suggest that you're not only not a "food nut", you simply don't care about eating nice food. And that's kind of depressing.

And I've tried the shop-bought pepper mills before. It broke, so the pepper corns ended up in a proper pepper mill.

ladyfortuna: I don't really think I'm a 'food nut' but I started buying bulk peppercorns from a local farmer's market after I realized how much cheaper they were that way. It's especially true if you get the four-color mix (black, white, green, pink) - that stuff could cost you your first born I suspect.


I have many Asian spice shops in my local area, which is nice. Much cheaper for all the basics.

When I need a chipotle chili, however, for chili con chocolate, my money had to go to The Man at Tesco, unfortunately.

 I will admit I have an addiction to (cooking with) spices though. I realized after I had to go through half a cupboard and two boxes of bagged mixes while looking for something that I might have a problem.

Enjoying tasty food is not a problem. It's one of life's most basic pleasures.
 
2013-04-20 07:16:23 PM  

Somacandra: Sounds like they were all in love with dyin'and were drinking from a fountain that was pouring like an avalanchecoming down the mountain.


I think I had that song in my head for a month and recently forgot about it.

Jerk.
 
2013-04-20 07:17:30 PM  

iron de havilland: When I need a chipotle chili, however, for chili con chocolate, my money had to go to The Man at Tesco, unfortunately.


needed
 
2013-04-20 07:17:40 PM  
Here's mine, and I'm damned proud of it!

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2013-04-20 07:17:47 PM  
How mayhem through pepper may look like:

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-04-20 07:17:52 PM  
You say pepper, I say opium.
Pepper did not have the staying power of the poppy.
 
2013-04-20 07:18:45 PM  

wildcardjack: Mimic_Octopus: more influential than salt ?  a preservative before refrigeration?  i think not clowns.

You don't cross desert's and oceans for salt. But to bring back a few hundred pounds of piper nigrem, maybe. Salt's utility is at odds with it's ubiquity. You might invade Poland for it's salt mines if you're in northern europe, but you wouldn't go half way around the world and subjugate the natives for it.


well, yes....

shiat.
 
2013-04-20 07:20:43 PM  

instantwin: How mayhem through pepper may look like:

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It's a food product, essentially
 
2013-04-20 07:21:17 PM  

Summoner101: Did Gandhi march for pepper or salt?


He marched to find a toilet for the curry that was speeding through his colon.
 
2013-04-20 07:21:35 PM  

catmandu: wildcardjack: Mimic_Octopus: more influential than salt ?  a preservative before refrigeration?  i think not clowns.

You don't cross desert's and oceans for salt. But to bring back a few hundred pounds of piper nigrem, maybe. Salt's utility is at odds with it's ubiquity. You might invade Poland for it's salt mines if you're in northern europe, but you wouldn't go half way around the world and subjugate the natives for it.

True, but pepper did not create the first cities in Europe (as well as many elsewhere, including Jericho. Routes to pepper mines did not create the first roads. pepper did not give the ubiquitous word for pay: salary. Whole nations did not rebel against their overlords because of pepper. learning how to pepper their fish did not allow the Vikings to raid, pillage, and explore a large portion of the Atlantic Ocean, it wasn't pepper revenues that built the Great Wall of China.


Those are all local issues, reinforcing my point. Salt might be historically important, but it won't send ships and caravans halfway around the world.
 
2013-04-20 07:22:02 PM  

ladyfortuna: go through half a cupboard and two boxes



Is that like a cabinet but without doors ? cup-board  ? just a plank in your kitchen on 2 cinderblocks ?
 
2013-04-20 07:25:49 PM  
The ladies call me "Pepper Grinder".
 
2013-04-20 07:26:53 PM  

FlyPanAm: The ladies call me "Pepper Grinder".


Rubirosa
 
2013-04-20 07:28:35 PM  

susler: I bought this book but haven't read it yet.

Can't wait.


If you like it, you should consider Salt: A World History by Mark Kurlansky. Very entertaining.
 
2013-04-20 07:30:28 PM  
I rarely add salt to my food.

Pepper, on the other hand. Other spices, too. Noms.
 
2013-04-20 07:35:02 PM  
I have a cheapo coffee grinder dedicated for grinding fresh peppercorns. Yes, it's a little overboard.

/not a food snob, except for fresh pepper and kosher salt.
 
2013-04-20 07:37:10 PM  

puffy999: I rarely add salt to my food.
Pepper, on the other hand. Other spices, too. Noms.


I never do. I use Thai fish sauce, which is almost identical to the Roman staple seasoning "garum".

/Romans ate staples?
 
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