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(Opposing Views)   The federal government thinks it's great that support for marijuana legalization has grown in recent years. It just doesn't give enough of a fark to do anything about it. Happy 4/20 Day   (opposingviews.com) divider line 134
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2013-04-20 12:34:31 PM  
Wrongo, they give a very big fark about their PROFITS.
This is now Big Money. And Big Money does not want a redistribution of their wealth.
My how a little racist lie, power grab  and marketing exclusion has grown into a FUBAR of Biblical Proportions.
 
2013-04-20 12:54:06 PM  

snocone: Wrongo, they give a very big fark about their PROFITS.
This is now Big Money. And Big Money does not want a redistribution of their wealth.
My how a little racist lie, power grab  and marketing exclusion has grown into a FUBAR of Biblical Proportions.


It's all about building a strong ground campaign. The pro-legalization movement is gathering strength.
 
2013-04-20 01:37:09 PM  

make me some tea: snocone: Wrongo, they give a very big fark about their PROFITS.
This is now Big Money. And Big Money does not want a redistribution of their wealth.
My how a little racist lie, power grab  and marketing exclusion has grown into a FUBAR of Biblical Proportions.

It's all about building a strong ground campaign. The pro-legalization movement is gathering strength.


I heard that crap 40+ years ago.
And the same gang of thieves is still making PROFIT.
 
2013-04-20 02:50:47 PM  
6 posts in an already the conspiracies are coming out

Also, I really wish I had some pot right now. Its 420 and I am broke D:
 
2013-04-20 02:51:23 PM  

cman: 6 posts in an already the conspiracy theories are coming out

Also, I really wish I had some pot right now. Its 420 and I am broke D:


My bad, fixt
 
2013-04-20 03:51:26 PM  
Ask anyone this question.  I don't know if I invented this question (less likely) or I heard it asked before (more likely), but if you have ever been to a rock concert, who causes more problems:  potheads or drunks?  Nobody ever says potheads.
 
2013-04-20 03:57:28 PM  

nekom: who causes more problems?


Americans love aggression and hate a pacifist.

/except at a rock concert
 
2013-04-20 04:17:59 PM  
I don't give a flying fark what  drug czar Gil Kerlikowske has to say on any matter. Who gave him the authority to tell me what I can and can't do? Doesn't matter, I don't recognize them. This repeal of prohibition is just taking a little longer than the last.
 
2013-04-20 04:24:13 PM  
It isn't doing anything about it? IRS Sure is doing something to distributors.
 
2013-04-20 04:25:27 PM  

nekom: Ask anyone this question.  I don't know if I invented this question (less likely) or I heard it asked before (more likely), but if you have ever been to a rock concert, who causes more problems:  potheads or drunks?  Nobody ever says potheads.


It's Bill Hicks, comedian.
 
2013-04-20 04:26:47 PM  
I... okay. It looks like he said "It's the law, and nothing that the President or the Justice Department can do can change that, and we have to enforce the law. It can be given a lower priority, but we have to enforce it."

Sounds like... I dunno, like the powers of government are separated or something, and that the Executive branch doesn't make laws or some weird crazyness.

/It should be legal, but we shouldn't break the law to improve it when it has recourses.
//...yet.
 
2013-04-20 04:28:23 PM  
Legalizing drugs will result in many layoffs to police, prosecutors, prison guards, court clerks, judges, bail bondsmen...

Can't anyone think of the jobs?!

/cynic sarcasm
 
2013-04-20 04:29:25 PM  

Summercat: I... okay. It looks like he said "It's the law, and nothing that the President or the Justice Department can do can change that, and we have to enforce the law. It can be given a lower priority, but we have to enforce it."

Sounds like... I dunno, like the powers of government are separated or something, and that the Executive branch doesn't make laws or some weird crazyness.

/It should be legal, but we shouldn't break the law to improve it when it has recourses.
//...yet.


President has a loy of discretion in which laws to enforce. Some laws he chose to not enforce at all. See DOMA. He didn't even send DoJ lawyers to defend it in court. So yes. He does have some powers.
 
2013-04-20 04:29:42 PM  
because Islam.
 
2013-04-20 04:29:59 PM  
Kerlikowske made the remarks during a conference on Wednesday in which he said the White House opposes both legalization of drugs and the war on drugs.

We might be getting somewhere. Granted, this is a public statement so there are all kinds of possible layers of bullshiat pulling in several directions.
 
2013-04-20 04:31:44 PM  

MyRandomName: Summercat: I... okay. It looks like he said "It's the law, and nothing that the President or the Justice Department can do can change that, and we have to enforce the law. It can be given a lower priority, but we have to enforce it."

Sounds like... I dunno, like the powers of government are separated or something, and that the Executive branch doesn't make laws or some weird crazyness.

/It should be legal, but we shouldn't break the law to improve it when it has recourses.
//...yet.

President has a loy of discretion in which laws to enforce. Some laws he chose to not enforce at all. See DOMA. He didn't even send DoJ lawyers to defend it in court. So yes. He does have some powers.


Yes, and that was said in the article that they've got discretion, but they're not the ones to talk about legalizing it.

Which is true. It's up to Congress to legalize it, since they're the ones who passed the laws criminalizing it.
 
2013-04-20 04:33:51 PM  
The alcohol and Pharmaceutical industry hates competition and will order their duly paid employees(police) to smash in your door to stop you from hurting the corporations profits.
Side effects may include your dog being shot. Your kids being flash-banged. Hospitalization. And RAPE by a uniformed man.


/In other news: Police in British Columbia are having a cookie party for the next week.
//Oh shiat, I mean that the usual RoidRage by police officers will be non-existent next week.
///Cookie Monster to be made an honorary police officer also for his service to the community.
 
2013-04-20 04:34:41 PM  
I think we'll get federal legalization within two presidential election cycles. Best guess beginning of 2nd term for the next president.
 
2013-04-20 04:35:14 PM  
Of course Drug Czar Gil Kerlikowske is against legalizing drugs... THAT'S HIS FARKING JOB.

/claims adjuster lowballs damages
//water is wet
///you get farked at the drive-thru
 
2013-04-20 04:36:56 PM  

cman: 6 posts in an already the conspiracies are coming out

Also, I really wish I had some pot right now. Its 420 and I am broke D:


And yet you can afford $5/month for Total Fark.   That is some messed up prioritizing.
 
2013-04-20 04:37:36 PM  
Pot will remain illegal because it allows the police to use "I smelled something" as probable cause for vehicle searches and home entry.
 
2013-04-20 04:37:55 PM  

DubtodaIll: I think we'll get federal legalization within two presidential election cycles. Best guess beginning of 2nd term for the next president.


Barring somemajor disaster, economic or otherwise, I'd bet it'll be a legitimate issue in 2014.
 
2013-04-20 04:39:44 PM  
Something to consider; if pot ever became legal on a large scale - eventually Big Tobacco would take over to package and market pre-rolled joints that will likely have all the added crap in cigarettes; i.e. ammonia, battery acid, diabetic sweetener, etc. -
FWIU, most people deep-inhale weed.
 
2013-04-20 04:41:32 PM  
on my phone so I can't, but it would be nice if someone posted that infopic of all the possible uses of pot/hemp. extra points for the one that includes logos of all the corporations that stand to lose monies should the industry/economy actually evolve.
 
2013-04-20 04:42:42 PM  
I once knew a girl who smoked some dope.
 
2013-04-20 04:43:35 PM  
The store across the street from where I work pretty sold out every bit of pastry they had this morning. I now see why.
 
2013-04-20 04:44:41 PM  
Kerlikowske is a former Seattle police chief. Who was increasingly out of step with his town's views on pot.
 
2013-04-20 04:45:34 PM  

zvoidx: Something to consider; if pot ever became legal on a large scale - eventually Big Tobacco would take over to package and market pre-rolled joints that will likely have all the added crap in cigarettes; i.e. ammonia, battery acid, diabetic sweetener, etc. -
FWIU, most people deep-inhale weed.


aren't those additives and chemicals and everything to increase shelf life and "safety" of their product?

I know tobacco companies were mandated to add a fire retardent to their smokes.
 
2013-04-20 04:46:01 PM  
Considering Bomber #2 was a pot head, maybe people realize that drugs that make you paranoid are not a good thing.
 
2013-04-20 04:46:46 PM  
There are so many old Hippies who are into gardening, if it were legal, there would be a lot of home-growing.
 
2013-04-20 04:48:59 PM  

zvoidx: Something to consider; if pot ever became legal on a large scale - eventually Big Tobacco would take over to package and market pre-rolled joints that will likely have all the added crap in cigarettes; i.e. ammonia, battery acid, diabetic sweetener, etc. -
FWIU, most people deep-inhale weed.


People can buy their own loose leaf tobacco which I don't think contains the same additives.
 
2013-04-20 04:49:22 PM  

letrole: I once knew a girl who smoked some dope.


I knew a hooker named Minnie Mazolla.
 
2013-04-20 04:50:33 PM  
Ten years ago I thought it had no chance. Now I sit here in Seattle with the best buds known to man at an affordable price and really only the most minimal concern of police attention that I have it. It feels like the groundswell is building at a rate that the feds will not be able to ignore the issue for long.

But you know what has disappointed the ever loving hell out of me? The rapid conversion of the medical marijuana community into a bunch of far-right authoritarian jerks almost overnight as they defend their turf against the rising tide of the pro-recreational use sentiment. Never thought I'd see the day when so many old school potheads start arguing against wider legalization. My responds to those guys: Go fark yourselves - you two-faced, selfish, 'I got mine' jerks. There's no perfect law yet, but seriously, the whole lot of you wider legalization dissenters ought to be embarrassed for your shameful bullshiat.
 
2013-04-20 04:52:20 PM  

zvoidx: Something to consider; if pot ever became legal on a large scale - eventually Big Tobacco would take over to package and market pre-rolled joints that will likely have all the added crap in cigarettes; i.e. ammonia, battery acid, diabetic sweetener, etc. -
FWIU, most people deep-inhale weed.


Who cares? Some people like Budweiser, Hasn;t stopped craft brewers or homebrew or the organic nuts. Nothing wrong with choices.
 
2013-04-20 04:57:53 PM  
they should legalize marijuana
 
2013-04-20 04:57:56 PM  

cman: cman: 6 posts in an already the conspiracy theories are coming out

Also, I really wish I had some pot right now. Its 420 and I am broke D:

My bad, fixt


It's not a conspiracy theory when it's also an objective observation of business as usual.  The War on Drugs(tm) is profitable.

I mean I guess it's a theory like the theory of gravity.  But it's not a conspiracy, it's just a lot of folks agreeing, "me likee making money."
 
2013-04-20 04:58:21 PM  

Dr. Goldshnoz: zvoidx: Something to consider; if pot ever became legal on a large scale - eventually Big Tobacco would take over to package and market pre-rolled joints that will likely have all the added crap in cigarettes; i.e. ammonia, battery acid, diabetic sweetener, etc. -
FWIU, most people deep-inhale weed.

aren't those additives and chemicals and everything to increase shelf life and "safety" of their product?

I know tobacco companies were mandated to add a fire retardent to their smokes


i.imgur.com
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Tobacco_additives:_Cigare tt e_engineering_and_nicotine_addiction


Tremolo: zvoidx: Something to consider; if pot ever became legal on a large scale - eventually Big Tobacco would take over to package and market pre-rolled joints that will likely have all the added crap in cigarettes; i.e. ammonia, battery acid, diabetic sweetener, etc. -
FWIU, most people deep-inhale weed.

People can buy their own loose leaf tobacco which I don't think contains the same additives.


True, I'm just saying for the majority.
 
2013-04-20 04:58:42 PM  

make me some tea: snocone: Wrongo, they give a very big fark about their PROFITS.
This is now Big Money. And Big Money does not want a redistribution of their wealth.
My how a little racist lie, power grab  and marketing exclusion has grown into a FUBAR of Biblical Proportions.

It's all about building a strong ground campaign. The pro-legalization movement is gathering strength.


Yep.  I have a coworker who works part time at a dispensary that makes it their business to be good neighbors.  When it looked like the state AG was essentially going to ban all dispensaries period she had every person she knew writing to specifically targeted lawmakers as well as those who represented us within 12 hours.  So did all her coworkers.  They called in the (bipartisan) troops DAMN well.  It was really impressive.

As for the medical vs complete legalization... I've seen a upswell of people you wouldn't expect being pro pot in general because they know someone gaining a real quality of life benefit from medical marijuana.  Kinda like how you're more likely to think "well, duh" for LGBT rights if you know someone out of the closet, I think medical marijuana users are quickly turning the tide as far as "well, duh" goes toward ultimate legalization or at least decriminalization.  It's going to be a long, long while before the feds get on board - so dumbass kids who don't have a Mom and Dad to get their back will still be screwed for financial aid - but the tide is definitely turning that way.

Our state didn't turn into Reefer Madness when medical MJ became legalized.  I think the anti marijuana folks tipped their hand with the fearmongering since they were sure they were going to win anyway.  The fear mongering doesn't work as well anymore.

/don't smoke
//this is still a pretty stupid situation
 
2013-04-20 05:01:33 PM  

utah dude: because Islam.

OLD PEOPLE

The silly old coots that rant on and on about "kids" and their drugs. Silly old coots that VOTE.
Politicians fall over each other to pander to those with fossilized brains..

Give it time....
 
2013-04-20 05:03:43 PM  
Of course not. The Obama Administration is glad to take bold steps in courageous new directions as long as
1) Business interests are on board
2) Republicans have come around and support it
3) Implementation is at least four years away
4) It's done slowly and deliberately
5) Wall Street approves
6) It's not, *shudder* liberal
 
2013-04-20 05:03:58 PM  
Drug Czar Kerlikowske: Federal Government Does Not Support Marijuana Legalization
Cock sucker: The government of the people by the people for the people it dead. Long live the totalitarian cast system, and may it forever be a kleptocracy.
 
2013-04-20 05:12:19 PM  

anuran: Of course not. The Obama Administration is glad to take bold steps in courageous new directions as long as
1) Business interests are on board
2) Republicans have come around and support it
3) Implementation is at least four years away
4) It's done slowly and deliberately
5) Wall Street approves
6) It's not, *shudder* liberal


I'd love to see someone else so overwhelmingly elected (twice) attempt to change policy without going down that list. You have a very simplistic view of govt.

*sparks up bowl*
 
2013-04-20 05:12:32 PM  

letrole: I once knew a girl who smoked some dope.


I would not be surprised to learn they smoked marihuana cigarettes- reefers.
 
2013-04-20 05:14:18 PM  

snocone: Wrongo, they give a very big fark about their PROFITS.
This is now Big Money. And Big Money does not want a redistribution of their wealth.
My how a little racist lie, power grab  and marketing exclusion has grown into a FUBAR of Biblical Proportions.


snocone: make me some tea: snocone: Wrongo, they give a very big fark about their PROFITS.
This is now Big Money. And Big Money does not want a redistribution of their wealth.
My how a little racist lie, power grab  and marketing exclusion has grown into a FUBAR of Biblical Proportions.

It's all about building a strong ground campaign. The pro-legalization movement is gathering strength.

And the same gang of thieves is still making PROFIT.


Both of these.
 
2013-04-20 05:17:14 PM  
First red state to legalize will have me moved in ASAP. Arizona or NH?
 
2013-04-20 05:17:44 PM  

make me some tea: snocone: Wrongo, they give a very big fark about their PROFITS.
This is now Big Money. And Big Money does not want a redistribution of their wealth.
My how a little racist lie, power grab  and marketing exclusion has grown into a FUBAR of Biblical Proportions.

It's all about building a strong ground campaign. The pro-legalization movement is gathering strength.


Is that what you think, huh?

Well, let me tell you something. The ANTI-legalisation campaign is even stronger, and is gaining strength more rapidly.

More rapidly than you can imagine.

So keep up with you childish hippie fantasies of a free-for-all, because that is all you will have. Dope will NEVER be legalised, and I am proud to be one of the people ensuring that it will never happen. Just because a couple of states have 'legalised' it (still illegal on the Federal level, in case you hadn't noticed), that doesn't have any legal standing. I see you smoking dope in public, your ass will be heading to jail. And if the cops won't do anything...?

Well, I'm fairly sure I saw you driving while impaired, or whatever I think will get you hauled off to jail. Inspection sticker on your car up to date, buddy? Sure it is. Busted tail light? Too bad, no idea how that happened!

So good luck with the campaign, but we all know where it will end.
 
2013-04-20 05:17:55 PM  
Weed should never have been included in the war on drugs.
 
2013-04-20 05:18:37 PM  

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: First red state to legalize will have me moved in ASAP. Arizona or NH?


Probably would legalize firing squads first.
 
2013-04-20 05:19:38 PM  

Rueened: make me some tea: snocone: Wrongo, they give a very big fark about their PROFITS.
This is now Big Money. And Big Money does not want a redistribution of their wealth.
My how a little racist lie, power grab  and marketing exclusion has grown into a FUBAR of Biblical Proportions.

It's all about building a strong ground campaign. The pro-legalization movement is gathering strength.

Is that what you think, huh?

Well, let me tell you something. The ANTI-legalisation campaign is even stronger, and is gaining strength more rapidly.

More rapidly than you can imagine.

So keep up with you childish hippie fantasies of a free-for-all, because that is all you will have. Dope will NEVER be legalised, and I am proud to be one of the people ensuring that it will never happen. Just because a couple of states have 'legalised' it (still illegal on the Federal level, in case you hadn't noticed), that doesn't have any legal standing. I see you smoking dope in public, your ass will be heading to jail. And if the cops won't do anything...?

Well, I'm fairly sure I saw you driving while impaired, or whatever I think will get you hauled off to jail. Inspection sticker on your car up to date, buddy? Sure it is. Busted tail light? Too bad, no idea how that happened!

So good luck with the campaign, but we all know where it will end.


24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-04-20 05:20:25 PM  

studebaker hoch: Weed should never have been included in the war on drugs.


You can blame William Randolph Hearst, his pet legislators, and racism.
 
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