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(NBC News)   Fertilizer plants and depots must report to the DHS when they hold 400 lbs+ of ammonium nitrate. The West, Texas plant that exploded had 270 tons of it on site and never reported it   (usnews.nbcnews.com) divider line 341
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2013-04-20 12:25:46 PM
Ertilizer plants.....


original.antiwar.com
"It blowed up real good."
 
2013-04-20 12:31:07 PM
i105.photobucket.com
What an Ertilizer might look like.
 
2013-04-20 12:31:27 PM

phlegmmo: Ertilizer plants.....


[original.antiwar.com image 232x168]
"It blowed up real good."


Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd we're done here.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-04-20 12:35:38 PM
When I run ertilizer in GIS I get pictures of this Dalek.

i01.i.aliimg.com
 
2013-04-20 12:46:13 PM
I guess the "F" was lost in the explosion
 
2013-04-20 12:50:19 PM
Sounds like like Rick Perry and his posse may have been makin' some secret bombs.

Study it out.
 
2013-04-20 01:27:35 PM
Some kind of "gentlemen's agreement" between the plant owner and anyone who might report him to them meddlin' government folks?
 
2013-04-20 01:30:30 PM
Ail. Big time ucking ail. Way to ucking go, ertlizer actory oreman.
 
2013-04-20 01:55:21 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: Ail. Big time ucking ail. Way to ucking go, ertlizer actory oreman.


Not his ault. ree market and inacial considerations igure into this.
 
2013-04-20 02:14:09 PM

phlegmmo: Ertilizer plants.....



"It blowed up real good."


Nice!

Anyway, sounds like someone is in for some massive legal bills.
 
2013-04-20 02:23:27 PM
i105.photobucket.com
RIP ERTILIZER PLANTS
 
2013-04-20 02:56:51 PM
And yet the media attention will not be about how DHS missed a massive 270 ton bomb that killed 13 people and leveled a nursing home, but about how it missed a couple students with pressure cookers full of black powder, bb pellets and nails.
 
2013-04-20 02:59:16 PM
So the explosion killed "at least 14 people."  At the same time, this plant probably employed a lot more.  What would you rather have?  Burdensome job-killing regulation, or actually people-killing fertilizer plants?  The owner was just doing his patriotic duty by willfully ignoring stupid restrictive regulations so he could be a job creator.
 
2013-04-20 03:07:38 PM
And no one will receive more than a slap on the wrist.
 
2013-04-20 03:12:23 PM
Filings this year with the Texas Department of State Health Services, which weren't shared with DHS, show the plant had 270 tons of it on hand last year.

Well, at least he reported it to somebody.  Maybe give people a single endpoint they can use to report this stuff to all the relevant agencies?  Maybe have states share information with the feds, so they know who to go and check out?

I'm curious though... the DHS's interest in this seems to be mainly about making sure you're not using the stuff as a bomb, or that you're not leaving it laying around where just anybody can steal it.
Would those kind of regulations have necessarily prevented anything from happening?
 
2013-04-20 03:25:12 PM
And not a got damn thing will be done about it.

/Texas, state motto "Regulations are for pussies"
 
2013-04-20 03:31:46 PM

FloydA: [i105.photobucket.com image 480x640]
RIP ERTILIZER PLANTS


Took me a moment.  Well played.
 
2013-04-20 03:31:56 PM
Zoning laws are for sohshulists!

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2013-04-20 03:33:31 PM

Triumph: And yet the media attention will not be about how DHS missed a massive 270 ton bomb that killed 13 people and leveled a nursing home, but about how it missed a couple students with pressure cookers full of black powder, bb pellets and nails.


If this sort of thing wasn't par for DHS it would get more attention.  Plus how much fun was following that on the police scanner?  That was some compelling shiat, don't be a buzzkill on America's new pasttime.
 
2013-04-20 03:33:35 PM

serial_crusher: Would those kind of regulations have necessarily prevented anything from happening?


Shush.  Regulations good!  More regulations good!  Ugh!
 
2013-04-20 03:34:22 PM
Good Bye Urkel Pants.

failuremag.com
 
2013-04-20 03:34:57 PM
F the DHS! Now THAT'S bootstrappy!
 
2013-04-20 03:35:13 PM
What part of free farkin market don't you hippies get?
 
2013-04-20 03:35:21 PM
Hmm so which state and federal officials did this plant owner buy off or have as a friend? You don't just get to skirt regulations without a buddy up top who can tell you how or have people look the other way. This stuff doesn't happen by accident or because the rules were too confusing.
 
2013-04-20 03:36:20 PM
So there's concern that a plant that manufactures more than 400 pounds a day of said substance didn't report that fact to DHS? Isn't it already obvious? Who do you report to? Do you keep their number on speed-dial for the daily check-in?

DHS already knew. If they say they didn't they're lying, because that is what a fertilizer plant makes.
 
2013-04-20 03:37:20 PM

TV's Vinnie: Zoning laws are for sohshulists!

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I think the solution is obvious... more tax breaks for large corporations, and less money to oversight agencies.

The EPA likely created the explosion just to try increasing its budget.

/so says my dad
 
2013-04-20 03:37:27 PM
People are frothing about immigration and Miranda rights for the Boston bombers who killed four people.  I wonder what the conversation will be about the plant owners and managers that willfully ignored safety regulations and killed at least 14 people?
 
2013-04-20 03:37:30 PM

Walker: And not a got damn thing will be done about it.

/Texas, state motto "Regulations are for pussies"



It doesn't matter how many people die or slip into starvation, free market capitalism is the Best System.
 
2013-04-20 03:38:38 PM
Hows that free market, Industry self regulating, freedums working out for you there, Texass?

/ have they filed for federal disaster relief yet?
// thought so...
/// spontaneous  SLASHIES!
 
2013-04-20 03:40:12 PM

Pavia_Resistance: I guess the "F" was lost in the explosion


Blew the F out of it.
 
2013-04-20 03:40:14 PM
So we're finally paying attention to this? This was actually the bigger story and yes... many f*ckheads need to be fired/jailed/publicly shamed.

Pro-tip: Don't build residential areas around a freaking fertilizer plant.

FREE MARKET!!!
 
2013-04-20 03:40:55 PM
Seriously?  This sort of things should have the company, their parent company and all parent companies above them have their assists taken, now.  We need laws enforcement that has balls to rip down those who blatantly disregard laws like this.  Sort like how we need leaders who are ready to tear down banks that do the same damn thing.
 
2013-04-20 03:41:01 PM

Three Crooked Squirrels: So the explosion killed "at least 14 people."  At the same time, this plant probably employed a lot more.  What would you rather have?  Burdensome job-killing regulation, or actually people-killing fertilizer plants?  The owner was just doing his patriotic duty by willfully ignoring stupid restrictive regulations so he could be a job creator.


Eyup
 
2013-04-20 03:41:08 PM

TV's Vinnie: Zoning laws are for sohshulists!

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Well, it's pretty easy to see which groups of local residents are considered expendable.

/Unborn babies have a personal bodyguard.
 
2013-04-20 03:41:11 PM

Phoenix87ta: FloydA: [i105.photobucket.com image 480x640]
RIP ERTILIZER PLANTS

Took me a moment.  Well played.


It's not as easy, now that they fixed the headline.
 
2013-04-20 03:42:17 PM

True Value: People are frothing about immigration and Miranda rights for the Boston bombers who killed four people.  I wonder what the conversation will be about the plant owners and managers that willfully ignored safety regulations and killed at least 14 people?


Fortunately intent is a significant portion of murder charges and how they play out.  But yes, anyone who's determined to be in the loop on how that plant got into the situation it did should still be on the hook for fourteen manslaughter charges at minimum.
 
2013-04-20 03:42:57 PM
Texas: Who needs terrorist when we can endanger our OWN populace.
 
2013-04-20 03:43:09 PM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: So there's concern that a plant that manufactures more than 400 pounds a day of said substance didn't report that fact to DHS? Isn't it already obvious? Who do you report to? Do you keep their number on speed-dial for the daily check-in?

DHS already knew. If they say they didn't they're lying, because that is what a fertilizer plant makes.


They probably knew what their production rate was, but they might *not* have known that they were *storing* 270 *tons* of low-grade explosives. And whoever in the state of Texas licensed that plant to be in a residential area? They need to be taken out back and "reasoned" with.
 
2013-04-20 03:44:00 PM

Thisbymaster: Seriously?  This sort of things should have the company, their parent company and all parent companies above them have their assists taken, now.  We need laws enforcement that has balls to rip down those who blatantly disregard laws like this.  Sort like how we need leaders who are ready to tear down banks that do the same damn thing.



What do we do to people who kill people?

Are corporations still people, my friend?
 
2013-04-20 03:44:02 PM
so who's worse_the Marathon bombers who killed less than 10, or the plant owners who've killed more than a dozen and destroyed a town in the name of greed??
 
2013-04-20 03:44:32 PM

Thisbymaster: Seriously?  This sort of things should have the company, their parent company and all parent companies above them have their assists taken, now.  We need laws enforcement that has balls to rip down those who blatantly disregard laws like this.  Sort like how we need leaders who are ready to tear down banks that do the same damn thing.


Even if we blatently disregard the law to do it!
 
2013-04-20 03:45:03 PM
"Man, ah hain't got ta go messin' with none of that dang egilation an all that gumint tomfoolery, I know how to r.. *BOOM*  "never mind."
 
2013-04-20 03:45:53 PM

ClavellBCMI: Adolf Oliver Nipples: So there's concern that a plant that manufactures more than 400 pounds a day of said substance didn't report that fact to DHS? Isn't it already obvious? Who do you report to? Do you keep their number on speed-dial for the daily check-in?

DHS already knew. If they say they didn't they're lying, because that is what a fertilizer plant makes.

They probably knew what their production rate was, but they might *not* have known that they were *storing* 270 *tons* of low-grade explosives. And whoever in the state of Texas licensed that plant to be in a residential area? They need to be taken out back and "reasoned" with.


The residential area probably grew up around the plant. The plant has been there since the '60s, has it not?
 
2013-04-20 03:46:02 PM

Chariset: Some kind of "gentlemen's agreement" between the plant owner and anyone who might report him to them meddlin' government folks?


Sometimes those "meddling" folks ARE the government (go ahead and not pay taxes a few years and watch what happens), and you should probably not piss them off. Because private companies and government agencies are full of "neighborly" types 24/7.
 
2013-04-20 03:46:35 PM

E_Henry_Thripshaws_Disease: so who's worse_the Marathon bombers who killed less than 10, or the plant owners who've killed more than a dozen and destroyed a town in the name of greed??


What's worse, plague or cyanide?  Bad ideas.  We've found most of them.  Dear world, please align your efforts with this new data.
 
2013-04-20 03:46:40 PM

Thisbymaster: Seriously?  This sort of things should have the company, their parent company and all parent companies above them have their assists taken, now.  We need laws enforcement that has balls to rip down those who blatantly disregard laws like this.  Sort like how we need leaders who are ready to tear down banks that do the same damn thing.


Except that exactly the opposite is going to happen.  Sen. Cruz has already been calling for a federal bailout of West Fertilizer.  In this country we privatize the profits and socialize the losses.
 
2013-04-20 03:46:50 PM

TV's Vinnie: Zoning laws are for sohshulists!

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To be fair, I don't like long commutes either.
 
2013-04-20 03:47:57 PM

BumpInTheNight: Fortunately intent is a significant portion of murder charges and how they play out.


As is depraved indifference.
 
2013-04-20 03:48:23 PM
Life is cheap in Texas, but they don't actually have slaves, so the rest of us should be happy to reap the benefits.
 
2013-04-20 03:48:52 PM
DHS, EPA, OSHA, TECQ and how many other acronyms had some kind of regulatory authority over this plant and in the end the only people that will suffer any kind of (very deserved) punishment will be the plant owners.
 
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