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(Sun News Network)   NBC: We're pulling an episode of Hannibal because of what happened in Boston   (sunnewsnetwork.ca) divider line 70
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2013-04-20 01:04:13 PM
*Eye roll*
 
2013-04-20 01:09:51 PM

The_Sponge: *Eye roll*


While crucifying NBC here seems appropriate I think they were in a no win situation.  The episode will probably air eventually but they figured they would get less flak by pulling it for now then airing it and having various groups screaming about how NBC is insensitive to dead children.
 
2013-04-20 01:18:17 PM

Nefarious: The_Sponge: *Eye roll*

While crucifying NBC here seems appropriate I think they were in a no win situation.  The episode will probably air eventually but they figured they would get less flak by pulling it for now then airing it and having various groups screaming about how NBC is insensitive to dead children.



I could see that if the plot of the episode more closely resembled as to what happened in Boston.

However......

I understood why the movie theater shoot-up scene in "Gangster Squad" was taken out after what happened in Aurora.
 
2013-04-20 01:22:21 PM
Abc is doing some switching around with an episode of Castle for the same reason.
 
2013-04-20 01:23:38 PM
Good show, BTW....I was skeptical at first.
 
2013-04-20 01:29:51 PM
If I remember correctly, the show is about a murderous cannibal and they are concerned about this... okay.
 
2013-04-20 01:30:01 PM
I'm still waiting for the American Dad! Krampus episode that got yanked after Sandy Hook.
 
2013-04-20 01:34:31 PM
Deadline (so BIG grain of salt) is reporting that they actually quietly circulated the scheduling change on Monday, before the bombing.  Apparently the episode was shot before Sandy Hook and the story involved kids being brainwashed to kill other kids.  This was also the only episode of the first six that wasn't sent out early to critics, so I'm thinking this issue was being discussed for quite some time.

All in all, it's probably the right call and has happened before and will undoubtedly (unfortunately) happen again.
 
2013-04-20 01:34:44 PM

limeyfellow: If I remember correctly, the show is about a murderous cannibal and they are concerned about this... okay.


Oh, when examined logically it makes no sense but they will generate less misplaced anger this way.
 
2013-04-20 01:35:20 PM

Nefarious: The_Sponge: *Eye roll*

While crucifying NBC here seems appropriate I think they were in a no win situation.


From what I've read elsewhere, Fuller asked them to pull the episode this week so it's the producer, not the network who made the decision.
 
2013-04-20 01:43:27 PM
Hell. Why not just pull everything off TV and have all the networks run nothing but Pettycoat Junction and Hee Haw reruns every night?
 
2013-04-20 01:44:57 PM

Nefarious: While crucifying NBC here seems appropriate



Hey....at least it was just an eye roll and not an angry letter or email.  :-)
 
2013-04-20 01:48:22 PM

The_Sponge: Good show, BTW....I was skeptical at first.


You and me both. Gave it a watch cause I'm just a fan of alternate takes of established canon. I also liked Mockingbird Lane.
 
2013-04-20 01:50:27 PM

12349876: I'm still waiting for the American Dad! Krampus episode that got yanked after Sandy Hook.


Okay, NOW I'm outraged. I should not be denied anything Krampus.
 
2013-04-20 01:51:05 PM

serpent_sky: 12349876: I'm still waiting for the American Dad! Krampus episode that got yanked after Sandy Hook.

Okay, NOW I'm outraged. I should not be denied anything Krampus.



Have you seen the Krampus episode of "The League"?
 
2013-04-20 01:52:57 PM

Nefarious: The episode will probably air eventually


I'm wondering when it will air or if they'll just push back the airdates for the other episodes as the show is rather serialized.
 
2013-04-20 01:59:25 PM

FeedTheCollapse: r if they'll just push back the airdates for the other episodes as the show


It sounds like they're just skipping it and it'll only be available on the DVD or Netflix.  It's still going to air overseas, though, so I'm sure it will be available through "other" means.
 
2013-04-20 01:59:56 PM
Or else they'll just slap a fat "Including the never before seen episode..." sticker on the front of the inevitable season Blu-Ray.
 
2013-04-20 02:09:48 PM

rugman11: FeedTheCollapse: r if they'll just push back the airdates for the other episodes as the show

It sounds like they're just skipping it and it'll only be available on the DVD or Netflix.  It's still going to air overseas, though, so I'm sure it will be available through "other" means.


hm, unless the show is different from the other episodes in that it's a completely stand-alone plot, that's a terrible idea.
 
2013-04-20 02:11:35 PM
Oh ffs. Why did NBC even pick up a show like that? It should be on Showtime or at least AMC. Not into it much anyway. Don't get why they made the cop crazier than Hannibal.
 
2013-04-20 02:15:36 PM

Mugato: Oh ffs. Why did NBC even pick up a show like that? It should be on Showtime or at least AMC. Not into it much anyway. Don't get why they made the cop crazier than Hannibal.



Actually, they've kick up the violence, and I'm still surprised certain scenes are on broadcast TV.....not that I'm complaining mind you.

Hell, I love what AMC has done with "The Walking Dead", but part of me wishes it were on HBO or Showtime.
 
2013-04-20 02:20:19 PM

The_Sponge: Actually, they've kick up the violence, and I'm still surprised certain scenes are on broadcast TV.....not that I'm complaining mind you.

Hell, I love what AMC has done with "The Walking Dead", but part of me wishes it were on HBO or Showtime.


As with movies, the suits care a lot less about violence than profanity/nudity. As for the Walking Dead, I can't imagine it being any more violent/gory on a premium channel than it is now.
 
2013-04-20 02:26:21 PM

Mugato: The_Sponge: Actually, they've kick up the violence, and I'm still surprised certain scenes are on broadcast TV.....not that I'm complaining mind you.

Hell, I love what AMC has done with "The Walking Dead", but part of me wishes it were on HBO or Showtime.

As with movies, the suits care a lot less about violence than profanity/nudity. As for the Walking Dead, I can't imagine it being any more violent/gory on a premium channel than it is now.


Actually, I was thinking of nudity.  :-)

/Not in junior high, BTW.
 
2013-04-20 02:28:24 PM
The very network that ran pictures of real life carnage on a loop every hour of the week is electing not to air a fictional television show out of sensitivity. farking idiots.
 
2013-04-20 02:30:17 PM

1derful: The very network that ran pictures of real life carnage on a loop every hour of the week is electing not to air a fictional television show out of sensitivity. farking idiots.



....and we're done here.  I'll turn out the lights.
 
2013-04-20 02:31:21 PM

The_Sponge: Actually, I was thinking of nudity.  :-)

/Not in junior high, BTW.


Short Round agrees.

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Maggie ftw
 
2013-04-20 02:34:29 PM

Mugato: The_Sponge: Actually, I was thinking of nudity.  :-)

/Not in junior high, BTW.

Short Round agrees.

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Maggie ftw



YES!

/I LOL'd.
//The look on Glenn's face is priceless.
 
2013-04-20 02:45:01 PM
An article that I saw yesterday said that the producer is going to put a synopsis on the web next week, where you can see the main plot points that keep the overall story going, without seeing the child murders.

I've only seen the first episode of this show so far, and it didn't grab me.  A friend keeps telling me to watch more of it, but I don't know if it's worth the time.  Especially since NBC tends to cancel any show that is good so they can make room for America's Got Talented Voices that Survived Dancing with the Biggest Loser Diving Stars.

///still pissed about them cancelling Life.
//haven't watched many NBC shows since
 
2013-04-20 02:59:17 PM

SilentStrider: Abc is doing some switching around with an episode of Castle for the same reason.


One of the TNT reruns Tuesday (or Wednesday?  Can't remember for sure.) night involved a backpack bomb going off at an Occupy Wallstreet-style protest.

I hopped on the Castle Facebook page to see if my fellow Americans would disappoint me.  The pants-wetting derp was strong.
 
2013-04-20 03:00:17 PM

The_Sponge: Mugato: The_Sponge: Actually, they've kick up the violence, and I'm still surprised certain scenes are on broadcast TV.....not that I'm complaining mind you.

Hell, I love what AMC has done with "The Walking Dead", but part of me wishes it were on HBO or Showtime.

As with movies, the suits care a lot less about violence than profanity/nudity. As for the Walking Dead, I can't imagine it being any more violent/gory on a premium channel than it is now.

Actually, I was thinking of nudity.  :-)

/Not in junior high, BTW.


Ya, Maggie, even all unshowered and sweaty and nasty could just grind herself into my face for hou... I'm sorry. Got carried away. Yes some tasteful nudity would be very nice.
 
2013-04-20 03:18:51 PM
NBC: We're pulling an episode of Hannibal because of what happened in Boston it's incredibly slow moving, tedious and painful to watch.

FTFT.

Liked the books. Hate the series. I am disapoint fava bean.
 
2013-04-20 03:20:31 PM

FeedTheCollapse: rugman11: FeedTheCollapse: r if they'll just push back the airdates for the other episodes as the show

It sounds like they're just skipping it and it'll only be available on the DVD or Netflix.  It's still going to air overseas, though, so I'm sure it will be available through "other" means.

hm, unless the show is different from the other episodes in that it's a completely stand-alone plot, that's a terrible idea.


This is what one prominent critic wrote.  I'm not too terribly worried.

"NBC sent five episodes to critics for advance review, but they weren't the first five. Instead, we got episodes 1, 2, 3, 5 and 6, with 4 skipped. And it was clear in watching the fifth episode (and the "Previously, on 'Hannibal'" clips before it) that some notable character and plot arc things had happened in between the hours I'd seen. It's not enough that you'll feel lost in what happens - particularly since the fifth episode is one of the strongest NBC sent - but you'll definitely feel like you're missing out on a few notable beats, particularly in the relationship between Will Graham and Jack Crawford.

I've reached out to NBC and Bryan Fuller for details on exactly what will be missed, and will update this post if/when I hear something. The good news is that the network plans on posting a number of relevant arc scenes from episode 4 online (either Monday or Tuesday, most likely), with Fuller introducing them, to fill in the gaps."
 
2013-04-20 03:27:02 PM

Rickj: I've only seen the first episode of this show so far, and it didn't grab me.  A friend keeps telling me to watch more of it, but I don't know if it's worth the time


I've seen three episodes and it's not that great. Hannibal's hardly in it at all and when he is he just stands around looking menacing. Will (the cop who eventually catches him in Red Dragon/Manhunter) turns out to be the crazy one and has hallucinations and shiat. It's like a gorier CSI with a little Twin Peaks sprinkled in.
 
2013-04-20 03:46:34 PM

Mugato: Rickj: I've only seen the first episode of this show so far, and it didn't grab me.  A friend keeps telling me to watch more of it, but I don't know if it's worth the time

I've seen three episodes and it's not that great. Hannibal's hardly in it at all and when he is he just stands around looking menacing. Will (the cop who eventually catches him in Red Dragon/Manhunter) turns out to be the crazy one and has hallucinations and shiat. It's like a gorier CSI with a little Twin Peaks sprinkled in.


oddly that description makes it sound awesome...
 
2013-04-20 03:51:31 PM

tlchwi02: Mugato: Rickj: I've only seen the first episode of this show so far, and it didn't grab me.  A friend keeps telling me to watch more of it, but I don't know if it's worth the time

I've seen three episodes and it's not that great. Hannibal's hardly in it at all and when he is he just stands around looking menacing. Will (the cop who eventually catches him in Red Dragon/Manhunter) turns out to be the crazy one and has hallucinations and shiat. It's like a gorier CSI with a little Twin Peaks sprinkled in.

oddly that description makes it sound awesome...


Go for it then. I'd rather something like that be on TV than yet another reality/karaoke show.
 
2013-04-20 03:53:59 PM

Mugato: tlchwi02: Mugato: Rickj: I've only seen the first episode of this show so far, and it didn't grab me.  A friend keeps telling me to watch more of it, but I don't know if it's worth the time

I've seen three episodes and it's not that great. Hannibal's hardly in it at all and when he is he just stands around looking menacing. Will (the cop who eventually catches him in Red Dragon/Manhunter) turns out to be the crazy one and has hallucinations and shiat. It's like a gorier CSI with a little Twin Peaks sprinkled in.

oddly that description makes it sound awesome...

Go for it then. I'd rather something like that be on TV than yet another reality/karaoke show.


yeah I've watched the current episodes. liked the first one, hated the second, liked the 3rd again... as long as it doesn't get too caught up in its own weirdness I imagine it will continue to work. I just thought your description was funny because you started by saying you thought is wasn't that great, but then your description of the show sounded like something that would be pretty awesome
 
2013-04-20 04:00:47 PM

tlchwi02: I just thought your description was funny because you started by saying you thought is wasn't that great, but then your description of the show sounded like something that would be pretty awesome


Yeah, I may have sold it too much because I liked Twin Peaks a lot and it never reaches that level of weirdness. But the cop has hallucinations of moose and shiat and Hannibal just sort of looks on.
 
2013-04-20 04:04:28 PM

Rickj: ///still pissed about them cancelling Life.
//haven't watched many NBC shows since


Blame the suit who thought up that 10pm Jay Leno abortion.  NBC is still hurting from that damn fiasco.
 
2013-04-20 04:11:32 PM

tlchwi02: Mugato: Rickj: I've only seen the first episode of this show so far, and it didn't grab me.  A friend keeps telling me to watch more of it, but I don't know if it's worth the time

I've seen three episodes and it's not that great. Hannibal's hardly in it at all and when he is he just stands around looking menacing. Will (the cop who eventually catches him in Red Dragon/Manhunter) turns out to be the crazy one and has hallucinations and shiat. It's like a gorier CSI with a little Twin Peaks sprinkled in.

oddly that description makes it sound awesome...


I think so too.  Will is an empath who is capable of recreating the crimes by putting himself in the place of the killer.  These visions leave him pretty profoundly messed up.  Then add to that the fact that he's required to see a shrink (Lecter) who pretty much messes with his head.  I like it.  It's much more about Graham than Lecter, but I think that's a good thing when it comes to building out an extended series like this.
 
2013-04-20 04:14:46 PM

rugman11: I think so too. Will is an empath who is capable of recreating the crimes by putting himself in the place of the killer. These visions leave him pretty profoundly messed up. Then add to that the fact that he's required to see a shrink (Lecter) who pretty much messes with his head. I like it. It's much more about Graham than Lecter, but I think that's a good thing when it comes to building out an extended series like this.


I kind of like that we get to see lecter in his zone. none of the restrictions that the movies (not counting that terrible prequel one) placed on him. and the bond villain guy is a fantastic choice, he plays subtle evil like a harp
 
2013-04-20 04:16:09 PM

rugman11: Deadline (so BIG grain of salt) is reporting that they actually quietly circulated the scheduling change on Monday, before the bombing.  Apparently the episode was shot before Sandy Hook and the story involved kids being brainwashed to kill other kids.  This was also the only episode of the first six that wasn't sent out early to critics, so I'm thinking this issue was being discussed for quite some time.

All in all, it's probably the right call and has happened before and will undoubtedly (unfortunately) happen again.


Reminds me of the pre-9/11 Lone Gunmen episode where evil forces inside the gov't try to crash a loaded jet into the Trade Center so they can blame terrorists and start another war but the plucky hackers stop them. I don't even know if anyone plays that episode anymore.
 
2013-04-20 04:27:27 PM

The_Sponge: Nefarious: The_Sponge: *Eye roll*

While crucifying NBC here seems appropriate I think they were in a no win situation.  The episode will probably air eventually but they figured they would get less flak by pulling it for now then airing it and having various groups screaming about how NBC is insensitive to dead children.


I could see that if the plot of the episode more closely resembled as to what happened in Boston.

However......

I understood why the movie theater shoot-up scene in "Gangster Squad" was taken out after what happened in Aurora.


I wonder if they're going to include that scene in the Blu-Ray's deleted scenes.  To be perfectly honest, the rest of that movie was so forgettable that I'm not going to bother buying it, but I'm really curious to see what the scene was all about.
 
2013-04-20 04:27:42 PM
I haven't watched this show yet but I've heard its a good Dexter replacement.  However if you've already got filler episodes in your first season that can be skipped without screwing with storyline...not interested anymore.
 
2013-04-20 04:31:41 PM

DMZ DEATH: Ya, Maggie, even all unshowered and sweaty and nasty could just grind herself into my face for hou... I'm sorry. Got carried away. Yes some tasteful nudity would be very nice.



Hahahaha!
 
2013-04-20 04:46:09 PM
TV shows are fiction
People who are over sensitive to fiction need to not own TVs.
 
2013-04-20 04:48:21 PM

DMZ DEATH: The_Sponge: Mugato: The_Sponge: Actually, they've kick up the violence, and I'm still surprised certain scenes are on broadcast TV.....not that I'm complaining mind you.

Hell, I love what AMC has done with "The Walking Dead", but part of me wishes it were on HBO or Showtime.

As with movies, the suits care a lot less about violence than profanity/nudity. As for the Walking Dead, I can't imagine it being any more violent/gory on a premium channel than it is now.

Actually, I was thinking of nudity.  :-)

/Not in junior high, BTW.

Ya, Maggie, even all unshowered and sweaty and nasty could just grind herself into my face for hou... I'm sorry. Got carried away. Yes some tasteful nudity would be very nice.


Take a number and get in line.
 
2013-04-20 04:52:24 PM
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2013-04-20 04:52:52 PM
If they pulled episodes every time something violent happened in this country, we'd be living in Sideshow Bob's dream world.  I guess when the episode does air (and when all the previous episodes aired), it will be/was a big "fark you" to other recent violent crime victims and their families.

Did the bombs blow the channel buttons off all the remotes in Boston?  If not, there may be a way those who don't want violent imagery can avoid seeing the show.  If the network feels the show is that bad, they should take it off the air and stop making it.  Otherwise, quit it with this pointless bullshiat.
 
2013-04-20 05:08:00 PM
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"F*ck you for cancelling an episode of my show."
 
2013-04-20 05:15:44 PM

Precision Boobery: If they pulled episodes every time something violent happened in this country, we'd be living in Sideshow Bob's dream world.  I guess when the episode does air (and when all the previous episodes aired), it will be/was a big "fark you" to other recent violent crime victims and their families.

Did the bombs blow the channel buttons off all the remotes in Boston?  If not, there may be a way those who don't want violent imagery can avoid seeing the show.  If the network feels the show is that bad, they should take it off the air and stop making it.  Otherwise, quit it with this pointless bullshiat.


I think it's people looking for things to be outraged about, and things they can have control over.

I remember last year after Aurora, people demanded Madonna take guns out of her show.

After Newtown, people were getting outraged at Ke$ha's "Die Young".

People seem to like bullying entertainment avenues, because NBC isn't likely to shoot back.  I know, it's irrational.  I don't think networks really owe people "respect" in that regard.  They're not trying to spite anyone.

And I don't think a writer should compromise the story they're trying to tell because someone might be overly sensitive to the content.  Bad shiat happens and is a catalyst for action, and stories aren't entertaining without action.

Go watch the Disney Channel if you're looking for stuff that's not going to offend you.  I'm sure they have shiat on at 6 am that is bland and inoffensive unless you're particularly chafed by bright colors and smiling faces.
 
2013-04-20 05:32:49 PM
Six_By_Nine:
Go watch the Disney Channel if you're looking for stuff that's not going to offend you.  I'm sure they have shiat on at 6 am that is bland and inoffensive unless you're particularly chafed by bright colors and smiling faces.

No, Disney Channel and Disney Jr are so irritating they drive one into a rage. I speak from experience. The Mickey Mouse Clubhouse animated show for tots is so horrible that I one day expect a killing spree to be blamed on the Hot Diggity Dog song.
 
2013-04-20 05:35:17 PM

The_Sponge: 1derful: The very network that ran pictures of real life carnage on a loop every hour of the week is electing not to air a fictional television show out of sensitivity. farking idiots.


....and we're done here.  I'll turn out the lights.


They must have run that loop with the old guy getting farked by the blast a thousand times.

/seriously glad that he ended up OK but still.
 
2013-04-20 05:57:01 PM
How about having the next episode of Two Broke Girls feature Max and Caroline walking around topless. They could get into a pudding fight or two

I know it would help me forget about the recent tragedies.
 
2013-04-20 06:25:21 PM

srhp29: People who are over sensitive to fiction need to not own TVs.


America has been turned into a shivering rape victim handcuffed to a radiator in the basement. No bright lights please.
 
2013-04-20 07:05:49 PM

yadumey: The_Sponge: Good show, BTW....I was skeptical at first.

You and me both. Gave it a watch cause I'm just a fan of alternate takes of established canon. I also liked Mockingbird Lane.


Thirded. Apparently Bryan Fuller has put a number of Easter eggs in Hannibal that are references to his other shows. Of course I've never watched any of his other stuff so I only know this from what I've read.

Also I have a logistical question (POSSIBLE MINOR SPOILERS)

Is Hannibal supposed to be the Shrike copycat? Since Hannibal consults with Jack and Will so often I'm assuming his office must be near the FBI headquarters (D.C.? Virginia? Somewhere on the East Coast at least). Are we to believe that he flew all the way to Minnesota, found a girl that fit the profile, murdered her and then flew back (with a pair of human lungs, no less) without anyone noticing?
 
2013-04-20 07:19:26 PM

fusillade762: Also I have a logistical question (POSSIBLE MINOR SPOILERS)



Yeah....I was wondering about that as well.

Also:

Even though we know Hannibal is cooking up human organs, it still looks delicious.....I get hungry every time I watch an episode
 
2013-04-20 07:39:40 PM

The_Sponge: fusillade762: Also I have a logistical question (POSSIBLE MINOR SPOILERS)


Yeah....I was wondering about that as well.

Also:

Even though we know Hannibal is cooking up human organs, it still looks delicious.....I get hungry every time I watch an episode


This.  Apparently, the show has a professional chef to come up with Hanibal's recipes
 
2013-04-20 07:39:44 PM

tlchwi02: rugman11: I think so too. Will is an empath who is capable of recreating the crimes by putting himself in the place of the killer. These visions leave him pretty profoundly messed up. Then add to that the fact that he's required to see a shrink (Lecter) who pretty much messes with his head. I like it. It's much more about Graham than Lecter, but I think that's a good thing when it comes to building out an extended series like this.

I kind of like that we get to see lecter in his zone. none of the restrictions that the movies (not counting that terrible prequel one) placed on him. and the bond villain guy is a fantastic choice, he plays subtle evil like a harp


That's what I like about Mads Mikkelsen's take on the character, too.  He's not a cartoony antihero.  I'd love to see the pulled episode, just to see how Molly Shannon does.
 
2013-04-20 07:39:53 PM
At first I was outraged but now I'm "meh".  Just saw "Potage" (the episode about Abigail) and it was "The Phantom Menace" levels of stupid.  All the drama and tension was created around the wrong people allowed access to people/places that would otherwise be under 24/7 surveillance -- and I don't mean Dr. Lecter.  Meanwhile Laurence Fishburne just mopes about watching everything fall apart like Yoda in the prequels.  How the fark does a reporter get unfettered access to a key FBI witness to murder while she's still hospitalized??  How does the ginger trespass (TWICE!!) during a very sensitive visit to Abigail's house while the FBI is there?  And mind you, most of the damage is done by a tabloid reporter that the FBI couldn't give more credibility to if they gave her a goddamn press pass.  Why not just dismiss her ramblings as. . . tabloid?  Or distribute a picture of her to all local and federal law enforcement warning them to keep her away and not talk to her?  Her actions did get one cop killed, after all.  Or charge her with trespassing and obstruction of justice.  You know. . . ANYTHING but letting her fark things up like a rabid dog in a kennel.  No one is searched, no property is secured, no person is protected, and Fishburne's intelligence and PR operations are amateurish disasters.  Now, while the execution of it is very weak, I get that the trust Dr. Lecter enjoys allows him to get away with a lot. . . but everything else has turned into an epic daytime soap opera mess with corpses, badges and music to make it seem serious.

The first few episodes were intriguing, but the series is crashing hard.  Now I feel like I'm not gonna miss anything.
 
2013-04-20 07:40:09 PM
Nbc has an option here? Seems to me the choice is clear... 1) They could satisfy a few oblivious farkers or 2) help preserve what's left of the idea of propriety in this country.
 
2013-04-20 07:57:13 PM

Mugato: I've seen three episodes and it's not that great. Hannibal's hardly in it at all and when he is he just stands around looking menacing. Will (the cop who eventually catches him in Red Dragon/Manhunter) turns out to be the crazy one and has hallucinations and shiat. It's like a gorier CSI with a little Twin Peaks sprinkled in.


The first couple episodes were intriguing, at least.  Ironically the show's at its best when it's episodic; there's still a ton of gawdawful drama between the characters but having a job to do prevents it from consuming the scenes.  When Will's investigating a crime, Lecter's forced to be careful and subtle, and the interactions can really result in some good acting.  When Lecter's given too much room to work with (and in the last episode he was waaaaaaay too autonomous, even for an FBI confidant), he's just another sicko and it gives the series the feel of a B movie.  And I still have no idea why Dr. Bloom is in the show at all.  In every single scene she's in, she may as well not exist.  She's said absolutely nothing that couldn't have been said by someone else.

And oh gawd the reporter. . . the idea of a crime reporter being a sociopathic kunt and incessant pest doesn't bother me at all.  What bothers me is the staggering amount of damage she's allowed to inflict with Fishburne only looking mildly irritated and handling in all the worst ways possible. . . namely, giving her a break-down-the-door show she knew wouldn't work, then absolutely nothing.
 
2013-04-20 10:11:25 PM

dragonchild: At first I was outraged but now I'm "meh".  Just saw "Potage" (the episode about Abigail) and it was "The Phantom Menace" levels of stupid.  All the drama and tension was created around the wrong people allowed access to people/places that would otherwise be under 24/7 surveillance -- and I don't mean Dr. Lecter.  Meanwhile Laurence Fishburne just mopes about watching everything fall apart like Yoda in the prequels.  How the fark does a reporter get unfettered access to a key FBI witness to murder while she's still hospitalized??  How does the ginger trespass (TWICE!!) during a very sensitive visit to Abigail's house while the FBI is there?  And mind you, most of the damage is done by a tabloid reporter that the FBI couldn't give more credibility to if they gave her a goddamn press pass.  Why not just dismiss her ramblings as. . . tabloid?  Or distribute a picture of her to all local and federal law enforcement warning them to keep her away and not talk to her?  Her actions did get one cop killed, after all.  Or charge her with trespassing and obstruction of justice.  You know. . . ANYTHING but letting her fark things up like a rabid dog in a kennel.  No one is searched, no property is secured, no person is protected, and Fishburne's intelligence and PR operations are amateurish disasters.  Now, while the execution of it is very weak, I get that the trust Dr. Lecter enjoys allows him to get away with a lot. . . but everything else has turned into an epic daytime soap opera mess with corpses, badges and music to make it seem serious.

The first few episodes were intriguing, but the series is crashing hard.  Now I feel like I'm not gonna miss anything.


Also: how did Lecter get a gutted body out of a house surrounded by cops? And isn't someone going to notice fresh blood stains on the floor?

And the reporter is annoying, but it gave us the best line of the series so far: "You really shouldn't mess with a guy who thinks about killing people for a living."

But I'll probably keep watching just to see Gillian Anderson, Eddie Izzard and Gina Torres.
 
2013-04-20 10:48:05 PM

The_Sponge: Have you seen the Krampus episode of "The League"?


No! I never really got into that show, but now I have to look that up, too.  I'm kind of amazed at how popular Krampus has gotten, people used to look at me like I was a bag of nuts going on about how cool I find him. :)
 
2013-04-21 12:05:45 AM
I liked this show better when it was called Dexter.
 
2013-04-21 12:52:49 AM
Tastes like Chicken.


Pussies.
 
2013-04-21 02:18:58 AM

Old enough to know better: Or else they'll just slap a fat "Including the never before seen episode..." sticker on the front of the inevitable season Blu-Ray.


Probably this.

Is there some reason we need a "Hannibal" TV show anyway, since it won't be about Hannibal Lecter but about a semi-decent non-psychopathic character with a fetish for eating humans who likes to help the FBI solve crimes in his own twisted way? Hannibal Lecter was a genuinely evil person, not a good guy with issues after all, and he should be allowed to stay that way.
 
2013-04-21 08:45:00 AM

fusillade762: And the reporter is annoying, but it gave us the best line of the series so far: "You really shouldn't mess with a guy who thinks about killing people for a living."


. . . And then they promptly take a stinky dump on that line by publishing it on the website.  You got it all wrong; she's not annoying at all.  The actress is actually playing a sociopathic reporter quite well; she's entertaining to watch in a twisted sense, even more so than Hannibal who's mostly passive and creepy like a stalker.  The problem is that when bad guys fail upwards by good being dumb, and I mean REAL dumb (for real), I lose interest.  The show isn't the cat-and-mouse game I hoped it'd be; it generates drama through stupidity and I find that painfully boring.

The FBI takes it personally that a tabloid is writing things about them.  Um, isn't that what tabloids do?  If Will didn't say anything she'd just make shiat up.  And isn't she doing so because you're not keeping her away from crime scenes?  (There's a quip where she says the FBI needs to patrol their perimeters better, but I don't buy it.  This isn't someone who dubbed a movie on a VHS tape here; it's a serial killer hot case and a PR disaster.)  It's obvious this woman is unfazed by anything; a guy got shot close enough to spatter her with blood and she's no worse for wear.  The FBI is doing everything wrong to make her as powerful as possible, which is exactly how not to make a story interesting to me.  If I want to see a show about idiots farking things up beyond belief, The Three Stooges did a much better job.
 
2013-04-21 09:17:02 AM

rugman11: tlchwi02: Mugato: Rickj: I've only seen the first episode of this show so far, and it didn't grab me.  A friend keeps telling me to watch more of it, but I don't know if it's worth the time

I've seen three episodes and it's not that great. Hannibal's hardly in it at all and when he is he just stands around looking menacing. Will (the cop who eventually catches him in Red Dragon/Manhunter) turns out to be the crazy one and has hallucinations and shiat. It's like a gorier CSI with a little Twin Peaks sprinkled in.

oddly that description makes it sound awesome...

I think so too.  Will is an empath who is capable of recreating the crimes by putting himself in the place of the killer.  These visions leave him pretty profoundly messed up.  Then add to that the fact that he's required to see a shrink (Lecter) who pretty much messes with his head.  I like it.  It's much more about Graham than Lecter, but I think that's a good thing when it comes to building out an extended series like this.


Yes, exactly.  The pain/empathy/disgust is written all over Graham's face, so to the casual observer, he looks nuts as we generally define it.  When in reality, Lecter, the shrink that acts as a consulting expert, is profundly dangerous and bat-shiat crazy, but is trained to hide it and looks unflappably normal.

And this really is "Manhunter: The Series" - they called it "Hannibal" to bring in viewers, but it CAN'T be centered only around Lecter or it would get old quick.
 
2013-04-21 10:02:49 AM

Gyrfalcon: Old enough to know better: Or else they'll just slap a fat "Including the never before seen episode..." sticker on the front of the inevitable season Blu-Ray.

Probably this.

Is there some reason we need a "Hannibal" TV show anyway, since it won't be about Hannibal Lecter but about a semi-decent non-psychopathic character with a fetish for eating humans who likes to help the FBI solve crimes in his own twisted way? Hannibal Lecter was a genuinely evil person, not a good guy with issues after all, and he should be allowed to stay that way.


Have you been watching the show?  The audience is not supposed to be under the illusion that Lecter is "a semi-decent non-psycophatic character."  The show is using dramatic irony pretty heavily as a story-telling device.  We know that Lecter is evil, but the characters don't.  And since he hasn't been captured yet, there's no reason for him to go full-on evil.  Like any true psychopath, Lecter is able to hide his real personality from others and put on an air of normality.

It's a really interesting dichotomy between Will, who's incapable of hiding what he feels, and Lecter who does that constantly.  As mentioned above, this makes Will seem like the crazy one, even the we all know it's really Lecter.
 
2013-04-21 05:06:17 PM

dragonchild: fusillade762: And the reporter is annoying, but it gave us the best line of the series so far: "You really shouldn't mess with a guy who thinks about killing people for a living."

. . . And then they promptly take a stinky dump on that line by publishing it on the website.  You got it all wrong; she's not annoying at all.  The actress is actually playing a sociopathic reporter quite well; she's entertaining to watch in a twisted sense, even more so than Hannibal who's mostly passive and creepy like a stalker.  The problem is that when bad guys fail upwards by good being dumb, and I mean REAL dumb (for real), I lose interest.  The show isn't the cat-and-mouse game I hoped it'd be; it generates drama through stupidity and I find that painfully boring.

The FBI takes it personally that a tabloid is writing things about them.  Um, isn't that what tabloids do?  If Will didn't say anything she'd just make shiat up.  And isn't she doing so because you're not keeping her away from crime scenes?  (There's a quip where she says the FBI needs to patrol their perimeters better, but I don't buy it.  This isn't someone who dubbed a movie on a VHS tape here; it's a serial killer hot case and a PR disaster.)  It's obvious this woman is unfazed by anything; a guy got shot close enough to spatter her with blood and she's no worse for wear.  The FBI is doing everything wrong to make her as powerful as possible, which is exactly how not to make a story interesting to me.  If I want to see a show about idiots farking things up beyond belief, The Three Stooges did a much better job.


Good points. Either the FBI and the cops are incompetent or she's Batman.
 
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