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2013-04-21 12:23:11 AM  

B.L.Z. Bub: Silverstaff: MFAWG: snocone: Anybody heard anything about that big LAPD "investigation" following the Dorner Dealio?

The cops didn't fire a shot last I heard. The fire was extraterrestrial in nature.

I thought they ruled he committed suicide.  Shot himself 183 times, then burned down his own cabin.

Also, it wasn't HIS cabin, dumbcluck.



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You hate Dorner because he's black, don't you?
 
2013-04-21 01:19:16 AM  

doglover: Peter von Nostrand: Never let the truth stand in the way of blaming the evil government jack-booted thugs

Regardless of who set the fires, what good did the siege at Waco accomplish?


It got rid of the Branch Davidians.
 
2013-04-21 01:32:00 AM  

UnspokenVoice: doglover: Peter von Nostrand: Never let the truth stand in the way of blaming the evil government jack-booted thugs

Regardless of who set the fires, what good did the siege at Waco accomplish?

It got rid of the Branch Davidians.


Wow you really didn't read the article did you?
 
2013-04-21 01:35:47 AM  
Amos Quito

How did you manage to evade my "favorites" list thus far?

Fixed.

Positive or negative?

You decide.


Works for me either way.  Peace.
 
2013-04-21 02:11:00 AM  

studebaker hoch: Amos Quito

How did you manage to evade my "favorites" list thus far?

Fixed.

Positive or negative?

You decide.

Works for me either way.  Peace.



Peace.
 
2013-04-21 02:23:49 AM  

Amos Quito: B.L.Z. Bub: Silverstaff: MFAWG: snocone: Anybody heard anything about that big LAPD "investigation" following the Dorner Dealio?

The cops didn't fire a shot last I heard. The fire was extraterrestrial in nature.

I thought they ruled he committed suicide.  Shot himself 183 times, then burned down his own cabin.

Also, it wasn't HIS cabin, dumbcluck.


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You hate Dorner because he's black, don't you?


I can't hate a corpse, but when he was alive I hated him because he was a murderer. Nice troll attempt.
 
2013-04-21 02:57:52 AM  

B.L.Z. Bub: Amos Quito: B.L.Z. Bub: Silverstaff: MFAWG: snocone: Anybody heard anything about that big LAPD "investigation" following the Dorner Dealio?

The cops didn't fire a shot last I heard. The fire was extraterrestrial in nature.

I thought they ruled he committed suicide.  Shot himself 183 times, then burned down his own cabin.

Also, it wasn't HIS cabin, dumbcluck.


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You hate Dorner because he's black, don't you?

I can't hate a corpse, but when he was alive I hated him because he was a murderer. Nice troll attempt.



 Fortunately for you, that is the verdict that society and history will accept, and equally fortunately, none of his original allegations will ever have to stand to scrutiny.


His "fellow law enforcement brothers" saw to that, didn't they?

Avoided paying those silly "REWARDS" too, didn't they?

So it's all good.

Right?
 
2013-04-21 03:16:30 AM  

studebaker hoch: But then something went wrong. Nobody of them came out, not that I saw on TV anyway.


News flash: things happen that you don't see on tv

http://www.amazon.com/Place-Called-Waco-Survivors-Story/dp/189162042 8


I found it perplexing.

Look up DAVID THIBODEAU , and Clive Doyle,

Then get back to us about the whole perplexed thing.
 
2013-04-21 03:24:24 AM  

MisterRonbo: studebaker hoch: But then something went wrong. Nobody of them came out, not that I saw on TV anyway.

News flash: things happen that you don't see on tv

http://www.amazon.com/Place-Called-Waco-Survivors-Story/dp/189162042 8


I found it perplexing.

Look up DAVID THIBODEAU , and Clive Doyle,

Then get back to us about the whole perplexed thing.


Watch
WACO - The Rules of Engagement
Then get back to us,


Yeah, I'm old enough to remember.
 
2013-04-21 03:26:31 AM  

MisterRonbo: studebaker hoch: But then something went wrong. Nobody of them came out, not that I saw on TV anyway.

News flash: things happen that you don't see on tv

http://www.amazon.com/Place-Called-Waco-Survivors-Story/dp/189162042 8


I found it perplexing.

Look up DAVID THIBODEAU , and Clive Doyle,

Then get back to us about the whole perplexed thing.



There are those who blindly follow the "small cult", and those that blindly follow the BIG CULT.

Which is the greater threat to society?
 
2013-04-21 05:30:43 AM  
FTA: Either way, the agency's actions are indefensible, says Catherine Wessinger, a religious historian at Loyola University in New Orleans, an authority on apocalyptic groups and an expert on the Davidian episode. "If the FBI believed they were dealing with members of a cult who were not in their right minds, then why would the FBI put so much pressure on them and then ultimately carry out an assault which just confirmed David Koresh's prophecies?" Wessinger says.

OK, so what should the ATF and FBI have done?
 
2013-04-21 06:31:08 AM  

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: FTA: Either way, the agency's actions are indefensible, says Catherine Wessinger, a religious historian at Loyola University in New Orleans, an authority on apocalyptic groups and an expert on the Davidian episode. "If the FBI believed they were dealing with members of a cult who were not in their right minds, then why would the FBI put so much pressure on them and then ultimately carry out an assault which just confirmed David Koresh's prophecies?" Wessinger says.

OK, so what should the ATF and FBI have done?


Not been complete farking morons. If you want more details, read up and use your own common sense.
 
2013-04-21 06:32:30 AM  

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: FTA: Either way, the agency's actions are indefensible, says Catherine Wessinger, a religious historian at Loyola University in New Orleans, an authority on apocalyptic groups and an expert on the Davidian episode. "If the FBI believed they were dealing with members of a cult who were not in their right minds, then why would the FBI put so much pressure on them and then ultimately carry out an assault which just confirmed David Koresh's prophecies?" Wessinger says.

OK, so what should the ATF and FBI have done?



Having just rewatched Waco: Rules of Engagement, might I humbly suggest that the ATF and the FBI should DIAF?


Justice

Served COLD
 
2013-04-21 08:42:21 AM  

Wise_Guy: reklamfox: Not disagreeing with this at all (personally I believe the government agents probably accidentally started the fire), but wasn't it part of the official report that the ATF planted microphones in the walls of the complex and they managed to pick up bits and pieces of conversations from the church members referring to burning the place down to the ground? I could be mistaken, but I thought I read that as part of the "proof" that the Branch members started the fires, which was presented on tape in the investigation that followed this debacle. My googlefu is weak at work right now, so correct if wrong.

I believe it was on PBS' Frontline where they had audio recordings from inside the compound obtained through microphones places in milk containers and food boxes that they had delivered to the Davidians.  If I'm remembering correctly (this was probably a couple of years after the actual incident) you can clearly hear them talking about where to place the hay bails sprayed with gasoline and when the wall was breached something like 'light it up' from inside the compound.

Seemed pretty clear to me that they burned the place up themselves.  Doomsday cults tend to want to be right no matter what.


I don't know how clear it is, but it sure is damn convenient, isnt it?
 
2013-04-21 09:44:28 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: 2wolves: doglover: DoctorCal: Have they found a new messiah to rape their kids?

That new messiah would have to be pretty damn gross, because if I recall correctly, the ATF and FBI roasted a fair number of those kids Dorner Kebab style.

No. You're forgetting that Mr Koresh used arson in an earlier incident to erase his mistakes. Stop spreading disinformation.

Never let the truth stand in the way of blaming the evil government jack-booted thugs


You're half-trying to be clever and sarcastic but that is the logical point of view, given that every government seeks empire status by default. Even a drooling moron knows this from reading history.

Of course, if one is lazy and/or intellectually incurious, they seldom read ... yet ironically seem to know exponentially more than others about nearly everything.

We are supposed to distrust our government, you sniveling lackey. We have an entire Amendment devoted to snuffing a government that forgets whom it serves. WTF did you think the 2nd Amendment is for? Protection from ducks and deer?
 
2013-04-21 10:39:37 AM  

Giblet: Peter von Nostrand: 2wolves: doglover: DoctorCal: Have they found a new messiah to rape their kids?

That new messiah would have to be pretty damn gross, because if I recall correctly, the ATF and FBI roasted a fair number of those kids Dorner Kebab style.

No. You're forgetting that Mr Koresh used arson in an earlier incident to erase his mistakes. Stop spreading disinformation.

Never let the truth stand in the way of blaming the evil government jack-booted thugs

You're half-trying to be clever and sarcastic but that is the logical point of view, given that every government seeks empire status by default. Even a drooling moron knows this from reading history.

Of course, if one is lazy and/or intellectually incurious, they seldom read ... yet ironically seem to know exponentially more than others about nearly everything.

We are supposed to distrust our government, you sniveling lackey. We have an entire Amendment devoted to snuffing a government that forgets whom it serves. WTF did you think the 2nd Amendment is for? Protection from ducks and deer?


The 2nd Amendment stopped being any threat to the government the moment we established a standing army. And it's only become LESS of a threat as technology improves.  No matter how many rifles and shotguns and handguns you have on your wall, it won't mean shiat when an A-10 blows the whole place up.
 
2013-04-21 10:56:03 AM  

LordJiro: Giblet: Peter von Nostrand: 2wolves: doglover: DoctorCal: Have they found a new messiah to rape their kids?

That new messiah would have to be pretty damn gross, because if I recall correctly, the ATF and FBI roasted a fair number of those kids Dorner Kebab style.

No. You're forgetting that Mr Koresh used arson in an earlier incident to erase his mistakes. Stop spreading disinformation.

Never let the truth stand in the way of blaming the evil government jack-booted thugs

You're half-trying to be clever and sarcastic but that is the logical point of view, given that every government seeks empire status by default. Even a drooling moron knows this from reading history.

Of course, if one is lazy and/or intellectually incurious, they seldom read ... yet ironically seem to know exponentially more than others about nearly everything.

We are supposed to distrust our government, you sniveling lackey. We have an entire Amendment devoted to snuffing a government that forgets whom it serves. WTF did you think the 2nd Amendment is for? Protection from ducks and deer?

The 2nd Amendment stopped being any threat to the government the moment we established a standing army. And it's only become LESS of a threat as technology improves.  No matter how many rifles and shotguns and handguns you have on your wall, it won't mean shiat when an A-10 blows the whole place up.


You assume there is a pilot willing to blow his fellow citizen's shiat away.
Guess what.
 
2013-04-21 10:58:23 AM  
Even the TSA is having problems finding enough idiots to do their pantywaist crap.

You think there is a selection of pilot grade humans that have no morals?
 
2013-04-21 11:06:55 AM  

Giblet: We have an entire Amendment devoted to snuffing a government that forgets whom it serves. WTF did you think the 2nd Amendment is for? Protection from ducks and deer?


To allow citizens to form the militia which, in lieu of a standing army, would protect our nation and its people from foreign invasion and domestic violence. Levying war against the United States, per the Constitution, is simply treason.
 
2013-04-21 01:55:12 PM  

DoctorCal: To allow citizens to form the militia which, in lieu of a standing army, would protect our nation and its people from foreign invasion and domestic violence. Levying war against the United States, per the Constitution, is simply treason.


Um, no. It is to uphold and protect the CONSTITUTION of the United States from ALL enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC.

The government can most certainly be an enemy of the Constitution.
 
2013-04-21 02:13:48 PM  

FarkinHostile: DoctorCal: To allow citizens to form the militia which, in lieu of a standing army, would protect our nation and its people from foreign invasion and domestic violence. Levying war against the United States, per the Constitution, is simply treason.

Um, no. It is to uphold and protect the CONSTITUTION of the United States from ALL enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC.

The government can most certainly be an enemy of the Constitution.


What part of what I said do you assert to be false? You bolded "domestic violence", and then capped "domestic" in your own explanation. I honestly don't get what specific thing I said you disagree with.
 
2013-04-21 02:20:01 PM  
machoprogrammer:
Well, they did try to arrest them, but hard to when they were holed up in the compound. What were they supposed to do? You can't let them keep raping kids.

Koresh went running in the countryside almost every day.  He could have been arrested without incident that way.  The revisionists idiots like to forget that inconvenient fact.

The BATF found an "anonymous informer" to claim there was a meth lab in the compound, to give them an excuse to go in with a large force.  The reasons were political rather than pragmatic.  They were arrogant and incompetent, and got several agents killed.

If, as as you apologists claim, it was well known prior to the end that the Davidians planned to burn themselves alive if the walls were breached, then it was pretty damn stupid to use tanks to breach the walls.

I guess you think the ideal hostage negotiation technique involves RPGs, amiright?  Doesn't matter how many innocents die, as long as the criminals die too.
 
2013-04-21 02:31:52 PM  

DoctorCal: What part of what I said do you assert to be false? You bolded "domestic violence", and then capped "domestic" in your own explanation. I honestly don't get what specific thing I said you disagree with.


Two completely different species; like 'elephants' and 'elephant seals'.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-21 03:12:02 PM  

DoctorCal: What part of what I said do you assert to be false? You bolded "domestic violence", and then capped "domestic" in your own explanation. I honestly don't get what specific thing I said you disagree with.


Well, it seems to me that you missed one of, if not THE, most important role the 2nd amendment was written for while highlighting something it wasn't written for.  "Domestic violence" has a specific meaning in todays day and age, namely spousal/relative/SO violence, and without a doubt was not a concern in 1776 or in writing the Constitution.

If by "Domestic Violence" you mean "General Self defense", I withdraw my objection. Perhaps I am being too pedantic,
 
2013-04-21 03:34:05 PM  

knobmaker: machoprogrammer:
Well, they did try to arrest them, but hard to when they were holed up in the compound. What were they supposed to do? You can't let them keep raping kids.

Koresh went running in the countryside almost every day.  He could have been arrested without incident that way.  The revisionists idiots like to forget that inconvenient fact.

The BATF found an "anonymous informer" to claim there was a meth lab in the compound, to give them an excuse to go in with a large force.  The reasons were political rather than pragmatic.  They were arrogant and incompetent, and got several agents killed.

If, as as you apologists claim, it was well known prior to the end that the Davidians planned to burn themselves alive if the walls were breached, then it was pretty damn stupid to use tanks to breach the walls.

I guess you think the ideal hostage negotiation technique involves RPGs, amiright?  Doesn't matter how many innocents die, as long as the criminals die too.


To be fair, there had been a meth lab on the compound when the former leader had been running the compound. However Koresh had it dismantled and turned it over to the sheriff, who had been telling the ATF that there were never any drugs founds on or linked to that property after Koresh took over.
 
2013-04-21 03:36:24 PM  

doglover: Peter von Nostrand: Never let the truth stand in the way of blaming the evil government jack-booted thugs

Regardless of who set the fires, what good did the siege at Waco accomplish?


Reduced future welfare rolls?
 
2013-04-21 03:37:22 PM  
Staying stuck in the past is a waste of time, and no amount of anger can change history.  All we can do is learn from it.

The Davidians, Government, McVeigh clusterfark was a hard lesson learned in how far you can't push government, and how far you can't push citizens.  We're all the same people in the end.
 Best to move forward, and work for a better future.


The reality of government is that it has to be more powerful than you.  Get over that.  The fact that everyone now has a high-definition video camera in their pocket is the best thing that could have ever happened to keep the powerful in check.  Use 'em.

/ fistbump to Amos Quito
 
2013-04-21 03:41:47 PM  

cynicalbastard: doglover: Peter von Nostrand: Never let the truth stand in the way of blaming the evil government jack-booted thugs

Regardless of who set the fires, what good did the siege at Waco accomplish?

Reduced future welfare rolls?


Keeps Glen Beck, Alex Jones, etc,  from running out of material?
 
2013-04-21 03:51:10 PM  

FarkinHostile: DoctorCal: What part of what I said do you assert to be false? You bolded "domestic violence", and then capped "domestic" in your own explanation. I honestly don't get what specific thing I said you disagree with.

Well, it seems to me that you missed one of, if not THE, most important role the 2nd amendment was written for while highlighting something it wasn't written for.  "Domestic violence" has a specific meaning in todays day and age, namely spousal/relative/SO violence, and without a doubt was not a concern in 1776 or in writing the Constitution.

If by "Domestic Violence" you mean "General Self defense", I withdraw my objection. Perhaps I am being too pedantic,


Well, I meant by that phrase what was meant by the phrase in Article IV, Section 4. The phrase used elsewhere by the founders was "armed insurrection", as in, we want an armed populace to prevent a band of renegades from usurping the government. Again, the Constitution is bright line clear that warring against the government is treason, with no implicit or explicit exceptions.
 
2013-04-21 03:54:40 PM  

knobmaker: The BATF found an "anonymous informer" to claim there was a meth lab in the compound, to give them an excuse to go in with a large force. The reasons were political rather than pragmatic. They were arrogant and incompetent, and got several agents killed.


Yep, that's how they got the military tanks and personnel.  Since the war on drugs is a bullshiat exception to Posse Comitatus.
 
2013-04-21 03:57:38 PM  
Yep, we can trust the government.  They don't lie to us.

They would never say that people were voluntarily allowing them to search their house when in reality the people weren't being asked at all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LrbsUVSVl8
 
2013-04-21 04:08:04 PM  
DoctorCal:

 Again, the Constitution is bright line clear that warring against the government is treason, with no implicit or explicit exceptions.


And this is where we would have a disagreement. It doesn't say warring against the Government, it says warring against the United States. The Government is not the United States.

When I joined the Military, I took an oath to "uphold and defend THE CONSTITUTION of the United States, from all enemies, foreign and domestic."  Not the Government, but the Constitution. And considering that the founding fathers were rebels against the established government of the time, it's clear they had no problem with citizens taking up arms against a government which is a domestic enemy of the Constitution.

Not to condone "terrorism", but not everyone who is against the government is a "traitor".  Some might be the most dedicated Patriots, in fact. One mans "Band of renegades" is another mans "Freedom Fighters".
 
2013-04-21 04:18:58 PM  

FarkinHostile: DoctorCal:

 Again, the Constitution is bright line clear that warring against the government is treason, with no implicit or explicit exceptions.


And this is where we would have a disagreement. It doesn't say warring against the Government, it says warring against the United States. The Government is not the United States.

When I joined the Military, I took an oath to "uphold and defend THE CONSTITUTION of the United States, from all enemies, foreign and domestic."  Not the Government, but the Constitution. And considering that the founding fathers were rebels against the established government of the time, it's clear they had no problem with citizens taking up arms against a government which is a domestic enemy of the Constitution.

Not to condone "terrorism", but not everyone who is against the government is a "traitor".  Some might be the most dedicated Patriots, in fact. One mans "Band of renegades" is another mans "Freedom Fighters".


I apologize, you are correct. The Constitution clearly states that warring against the United States is an act of Treason, without exception.

The Constitution also specifies the utility of the armed militia: to suppress insurrections and repel invasions. There's not a peep about overthrowing some future tyrannical form of the government. So actually, what's clear is that the DID have a problem with the idea of citizens of *this* country taking up arms against *this* government. They were explicit.
 
2013-04-21 04:35:23 PM  

DoctorCal: The Constitution also specifies the utility of the armed militia: to suppress insurrections and repel invasions. There's not a peep about overthrowing some future tyrannical form of the government. So actually, what's clear is that the DID have a problem with the idea of citizens of *this* country taking up arms against *this* government. They were explicit.



Yet they did exactly that themselves; overthrew their government. Makes it very difficult for me to believe that they wouldn't be perfectly OK with overthrowing a tyrannical US government. ("Every generation needs a new revolution." Thomas Jefferson)  An interesting fact I just learned: the first two oaths of military service did not mention loyalty to the Constitution, but to the government, then after the Revolutionary War it was changed. The first oath under the Constitution was approved by Act of Congress 29 September 1789

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/joiningthemilitary/a/oathofenlist.htm

Why change it from "Government" to "Constitution"? I believe, considering the history and well known beliefs of the founders, that they did so to protect what they felt was truly important, the Constitution, even from our own government if it ever became an enemy of the citizens and core beliefs of the United States.

I don't really trust the Government. I do trust the Constitution. Perhaps it's not perfect, but it's pretty damn good, good enough for me to be willing give my life to protect.
 
2013-04-21 06:00:31 PM  

snocone: LordJiro: Giblet: Peter von Nostrand: 2wolves: doglover: DoctorCal: Have they found a new messiah to rape their kids?

That new messiah would have to be pretty damn gross, because if I recall correctly, the ATF and FBI roasted a fair number of those kids Dorner Kebab style.

No. You're forgetting that Mr Koresh used arson in an earlier incident to erase his mistakes. Stop spreading disinformation.

Never let the truth stand in the way of blaming the evil government jack-booted thugs

You're half-trying to be clever and sarcastic but that is the logical point of view, given that every government seeks empire status by default. Even a drooling moron knows this from reading history.

Of course, if one is lazy and/or intellectually incurious, they seldom read ... yet ironically seem to know exponentially more than others about nearly everything.

We are supposed to distrust our government, you sniveling lackey. We have an entire Amendment devoted to snuffing a government that forgets whom it serves. WTF did you think the 2nd Amendment is for? Protection from ducks and deer?

The 2nd Amendment stopped being any threat to the government the moment we established a standing army. And it's only become LESS of a threat as technology improves.  No matter how many rifles and shotguns and handguns you have on your wall, it won't mean shiat when an A-10 blows the whole place up.

You assume there is a pilot willing to blow his fellow citizen's shiat away.
Guess what.


Yes, if the government goes truly rogue (or dumbasses try to revolt over falsely perceived 'tyranny', either way), every single member of the armed forces is going to fight against the government, ignoring years of training and 'programming'.

^ This is what gun nuts actually believe.
 
2013-04-21 06:09:41 PM  
Damn, the anti-government conspiracy theorists sure came out to play in here. Careful, guys, your computer mice are really Reptilian eggs that communicate via telepathy to the New Word Order HQ, where Obama, Hitler, and Genghis Khan are simply waiting for the slightest reason to send an F-22 to napalm your house and round up your family and all of their friends to be executed while the Atlantean armies march over America in the name of Darth Vader of the planet Vulcan.
 
2013-04-21 06:57:57 PM  
Who knew there would be so many people white knighting a serial kiddie rapist.
 
2013-04-21 07:03:37 PM  

2wolves: Who knew there would be so many people white knighting a serial kiddie rapist.


I don't think of any of us are white knighting a serial kiddie rapist. We are, however, severely criticizing the government handling of the situation.
 
2013-04-21 07:17:46 PM  

2wolves: Who knew there would be so many people white knighting a serial kiddie rapist.


Hows life in that black and white world you live in, idiot?
 
2013-04-21 09:12:34 PM  
Wow. Appears I struck a nerve.As for black & white let us throw in some red.or copper.Hindsight is a solid 20/20.
 
2013-04-21 09:20:24 PM  

2wolves: Wow. Appears I struck a nerve.As for black & white let us throw in some red.or copper.Hindsight is a solid 20/20.


You don't need hindsight if you're not functionally retarded or listen to the people who've been telling you exactly how to easily handle the situation for 6 months.

Sorry if that's beyond you.
 
2013-04-21 09:44:35 PM  

FarkinHostile: Why change it from "Government" to "Constitution"? I believe, considering the history and well known beliefs of the founders, that they did so to protect what they felt was truly important, the Constitution, even from our own government if it ever became an enemy of the citizens and core beliefs of the United States.


Well, for starters, it wasn't changed 'from "Government" to "Constitution"'. As the link you provided details, the oath written in 1776 doesn't contain the word "government".

Why did they rewrite the oath in 1789? I believe, considering the history and well known beliefs of the founders, that it was because there wasn't a Constitution in effect until 1789.

FarkinHostile: I do trust the Constitution.


Well, awesome. Then we can trust that you'll honor your oath to protect it, including the fact that warring against the US is an act of Treason, and that the militia are for repelling foreign invasions and putting down violent insurrection.
 
2013-04-21 09:51:38 PM  
Sinking to ad hom attacks so soon?Your argument must be very weak
 
2013-04-21 09:52:48 PM  

2wolves: Sinking to ad hom attacks so soon?Your argument must be very weak


betanews.com

/it's not an ad hominem if it's true
//wasn't talking about you anyway
 
2013-04-21 10:40:24 PM  

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Strange the ATF brought their own film crew with them.
 I seem to remember they were trying to boost their own budget and were talks of folding them into the FBI .

Or why didn't just grab Koresh off the street ?

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What happened was that the Feds leaked they were going to arrest him to a reporter, who asked the mailman of the compound more about it. The mailman happened to be friends (or in-law, I forget what) of Koresh. He told Koresh, so he never would've left.
 
2013-04-21 10:57:38 PM  
pedrop357: Kahabut: Keizer_Ghidorah: Mock26: snocone: MFAWG: doglover: 2wolves: doglover: DoctorCal: Have they found a new messiah to rape their kids?

That new messiah would have to be pretty damn gross, because if I recall correctly, the ATF and FBI roasted a fair number of those kids Dorner Kebab style.

No. You're forgetting that Mr Koresh used arson in an earlier incident to erase his mistakes. Stop spreading disinformation.

So they didn't fire military tear gas shells (aka burners) into the bunker after breaching the wall?

Burners refers to the effects, jackass.

Still having trouble with "tear gas" starting fires after all these years.


If Alex Jones says it is true then it must be true!

Bwahahahahahahahahahaha!  Sorry.  I could not keep a straight face while typing that!

"Incendiary tear gas"? Does he think that it's MEANT to ignite after being deployed?

I have a practical experiment for you.  Pull the pin on a tear gas can, and hold it in your bare hands for 10 minutes.  You should probably get a mask.  I'll bet anything you care to match that you can't hold that can for more than a minute after you pull the pin.  Do you have some idea why?

Tear gas canisters are a dry chemical mix, and they produce gas by BURNING at over 450 degrees.  The heat is spread to the outer walls of the can and it can ignite any number of things.  It can also have fire actually spitting out the top of the can.

Also, I'm getting a kick out of you...gentlemen arguing over this, as it's super clear none of you has ever actually seen a tear gas can, much less operated one.

THIS.

That, and the police in articles that are very easy to find on google talk about how they are seeking/have sought less flammable models, which they sometimes to refer to as "non-incendiary" or "non-flammable" versions.  Strange of them to refer to a product that's supposedly not flammable as having a 'non-flammable' and/or 'non-incendiary' version to use those terms to prefix the item.


Sigh.  They are referring to the delivery method, not the nature of the gas itself.  Once again, tear gas is NOT flammable.  Not sure why you are having such a hard time with this concept.
 
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