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2013-04-20 01:45:01 PM
2000+ years later, it's still real to Christains. (Sorry, but trolls gotta troll.)
 
2013-04-20 01:47:18 PM

p89tech: 2000+ years later, it's still real to Christains. (Sorry, but trolls gotta troll.)


I don't know.  That doesn't really seem like much of a troll.  You're actually right whether you believe in Jesus or not.
 
2013-04-20 01:47:42 PM

reklamfox: Chunks McGunks: Peter von Nostrand: 2wolves: doglover: DoctorCal: Have they found a new messiah to rape their kids?

That new messiah would have to be pretty damn gross, because if I recall correctly, the ATF and FBI roasted a fair number of those kids Dorner Kebab style.

No. You're forgetting that Mr Koresh used arson in an earlier incident to erase his mistakes. Stop spreading disinformation.

Never let the truth stand in the way of blaming the evil government jack-booted thugs

There are people that don't think the government was at fault for setting the Branch Davidians complex on fire?  Jesus were you not alive when this happened or something?

Not disagreeing with this at all (personally I believe the government agents probably accidentally started the fire), but wasn't it part of the official report that the ATF planted microphones in the walls of the complex and they managed to pick up bits and pieces of conversations from the church members referring to burning the place down to the ground? I could be mistaken, but I thought I read that as part of the "proof" that the Branch members started the fires, which was presented on tape in the investigation that followed this debacle. My googlefu is weak at work right now, so correct if wrong.


I'm no conspiracy theorist but from what I've witnessed in my lifetime when the government burns someone to death they'll say about anything to blame it on the people they burned to death.
 
2013-04-20 01:49:20 PM
I think it wold be more efficient if their child-rape compounds were burned down before they're occupied. Worth a try, anyway.
 
2013-04-20 01:50:38 PM

reklamfox: Not disagreeing with this at all (personally I believe the government agents probably accidentally started the fire), but wasn't it part of the official report that the ATF planted microphones in the walls of the complex and they managed to pick up bits and pieces of conversations from the church members referring to burning the place down to the ground? I could be mistaken, but I thought I read that as part of the "proof" that the Branch members started the fires, which was presented on tape in the investigation that followed this debacle. My googlefu is weak at work right now, so correct if wrong.


I believe it was on PBS' Frontline where they had audio recordings from inside the compound obtained through microphones places in milk containers and food boxes that they had delivered to the Davidians.  If I'm remembering correctly (this was probably a couple of years after the actual incident) you can clearly hear them talking about where to place the hay bails sprayed with gasoline and when the wall was breached something like 'light it up' from inside the compound.

Seemed pretty clear to me that they burned the place up themselves.  Doomsday cults tend to want to be right no matter what.
 
2013-04-20 01:52:58 PM

Chunks McGunks: reklamfox: Chunks McGunks: Peter von Nostrand: 2wolves: doglover: DoctorCal: Have they found a new messiah to rape their kids?

That new messiah would have to be pretty damn gross, because if I recall correctly, the ATF and FBI roasted a fair number of those kids Dorner Kebab style.

No. You're forgetting that Mr Koresh used arson in an earlier incident to erase his mistakes. Stop spreading disinformation.

Never let the truth stand in the way of blaming the evil government jack-booted thugs

There are people that don't think the government was at fault for setting the Branch Davidians complex on fire?  Jesus were you not alive when this happened or something?

Not disagreeing with this at all (personally I believe the government agents probably accidentally started the fire), but wasn't it part of the official report that the ATF planted microphones in the walls of the complex and they managed to pick up bits and pieces of conversations from the church members referring to burning the place down to the ground? I could be mistaken, but I thought I read that as part of the "proof" that the Branch members started the fires, which was presented on tape in the investigation that followed this debacle. My googlefu is weak at work right now, so correct if wrong.

I'm no conspiracy theorist but from what I've witnessed in my lifetime when the government burns someone to death they'll say about anything to blame it on the people they burned to death.


And lunatic cult leaders will do anything to avoid facing justice for their actions. Including poison their entire Guyanese town  or, indeed, set their own compound on fire.
 
2013-04-20 01:54:35 PM

UNC_Samurai: It's hard to let go of your cult.


Religion is a hell of a drug.
 
2013-04-20 01:57:08 PM
Death cult waiting for the end times burns themselves up and 20 years later, people are still surprised?

When dealing with nutjobs that want to die after they have finished with their child rape, it is going to end badly, no matter what.
 
2013-04-20 01:58:05 PM

LordJiro: And lunatic cult leaders will do anything to avoid facing justice for their actions. Including poison their entire Guyanese town or, indeed, set their own compound on fire.


You know why no one jokes about the Jonestown massacre?

The punch lines are too long.
 
2013-04-20 01:58:24 PM
Chunks McGunks

There are people that don't think the government was at fault for setting the Branch Davidians complex on fire?  Jesus were you not alive when this happened or something?

There are a lot of things about the incident that I don't think anyone could know. The government was at fault for injecting the compound with VX and poking holes in structures, which provided for maximum fire damage, but I really can't believe that the ATF's strategy was to intentionally fry everyone remaining there to death and I haven't seen any proof about how the fire initially started.
 
The ATF handled themselves stupidly and shamefully during the whole incident, but Koresh was suicidally erratic too.
 
2013-04-20 01:58:53 PM
Fta: Paul Fatta, who spent nearly 13 years in prison on weapons charges, was released two years early for good behavior. Now 55 years old, he lives in San Diego where he manages his family's Hawaiian restaurant. Fatta, too, still believes.

Hawaiian BBQ I presume? No thanks guys. I don't think I'll be a customer. You're Tex-Mex BBQ, not island style. Quit lying to yourself and your customers.
 
2013-04-20 02:00:03 PM
Except that the government ordered a hundred body bags before the siege even started.(According to the Philadelphia Inquirer the day after the fire.) No one was ever supposed to get out of there. The day the Davidians  killed ATF agents their days were numbered.
 
2013-04-20 02:01:46 PM

Wise_Guy: If I'm remembering correctly (this was probably a couple of years after the actual incident) you can clearly hear them talking about where to place the hay bails sprayed with gasoline "coleman fuel" and when the wall was breached something like 'light it up' from inside the compound.

 
2013-04-20 02:02:38 PM
I guess some people think that when you go to execute an arrest warrant, and the suspect and his henchmen shoot and kill some of the arresting officers, you should just turn around, go home, and leave them be.  After all, it was obviously either that or siege, and if siege was the wrong answer. . . .

And how would those critical of the use of tear gas propose they end the situation otherwise?  It seems like a pretty reasonable way to force them out without causing serious injury.  Absent the hindsight of knowing they were mass-suicidal, of course.

Regardless of who started the fire (it was the Davidians, of course, but regardless), it was the Davidians who kept most of the victims from fleeing, shooting them if they had to.  The only people who were shot by federal agents were actively trying to kill people.

I suppose you people blame Congressman Leo Ryan for killing everyone at Jonestown, too.  After all, if he hadn't gone down there. . .
 
2013-04-20 02:03:57 PM
Thanks Clinton
 
2013-04-20 02:04:18 PM
Read The Boy Who Was Raised As A Dog, by Bruice Perry, MD.  He is the former Chief of Psychiatry at Texas Children's Hospital. A number of children were released from the compound in the days before the fire, and  Dr Perry worked with the them. The children all drew pictures of the compound engulfed in flames BEFORE it burned. When it happened, not one of them was even a little surprised. They all knew that everyone who stayed would die in the fire. It was planned. They knew how it was going to end. The fire was the BD's koolaid. It was in the script. They did it to themselves.
 
2013-04-20 02:06:57 PM

snocone: MFAWG: snocone: Anybody heard anything about that big LAPD "investigation" following the Dorner Dealio?

The cops didn't fire a shot last I heard. The fire was extraterrestrial in nature.

Yup, same "tear gas", eh?


You're too stupid to have this conversation with. Go on the roof and watch for helicopters or jump off.
 
2013-04-20 02:07:50 PM

machoprogrammer: Shadowknight: doglover: Peter von Nostrand: Never let the truth stand in the way of blaming the evil government jack-booted thugs

Regardless of who set the fires, what good did the siege at Waco accomplish?

Well, you couldn't very well let them keep raping kids and stockpiling illegal weapons with impunity.  Religious freedom only goes so far when you start doing insane and dangerous stuff like that.  I mean, yes, it ended badly.  No disagreement.  But this was a crazy cult that was never going to let things end well.

This. They were raping kids, abusing kids and stockpiling weapons to basically start an overthrow of the government. It was handled badly, but they needed to stop what was going on there.


agreed, but their cunning plan was clusterfark. why not just wait to catch him one day when he was awayfrom the children. They could have come up with 1000 better plans than the one that was executed.
 
2013-04-20 02:07:59 PM
God is whomever the men in charge say God is, the path to God is laid out by them, it's twists, turns, and steps, designed to make you dance for their benefit and enjoyment. Dance well and be rewarded, misstep and be discarded. The great and powerful God does exist, he is the man behind the curtain. Pull back the curtain and reveal the man and no longer is he God.
 
2013-04-20 02:08:25 PM

Delawheredad: Except that the government ordered a hundred body bags before the siege even started.(According to the Philadelphia Inquirer the day after the fire.) No one was ever supposed to get out of there. The day the Davidians  killed ATF agents their days were numbered.


Or, y'know, the Davidians had been stockpiling weapons and were known to be violent, so the government was prepared for them to put up a big fight, or for them to pull a Jonestown and off themselves rather than face justice.
 
2013-04-20 02:10:12 PM

machoprogrammer: Shadowknight: doglover: Peter von Nostrand: Never let the truth stand in the way of blaming the evil government jack-booted thugs

Regardless of who set the fires, what good did the siege at Waco accomplish?

Well, you couldn't very well let them keep raping kids and stockpiling illegal weapons with impunity.  Religious freedom only goes so far when you start doing insane and dangerous stuff like that.  I mean, yes, it ended badly.  No disagreement.  But this was a crazy cult that was never going to let things end well.

This. They were raping kids, abusing kids and stockpiling weapons to basically start an overthrow of the government. It was handled badly, but they needed to stop what was going on there.


Yeah yeah yeah. Stopped that kiddie raping reeeeal good. Kids are lucky wont ever get raped again.
 
2013-04-20 02:10:31 PM

danwinkler: machoprogrammer: Shadowknight: doglover: Peter von Nostrand: Never let the truth stand in the way of blaming the evil government jack-booted thugs

Regardless of who set the fires, what good did the siege at Waco accomplish?

Well, you couldn't very well let them keep raping kids and stockpiling illegal weapons with impunity.  Religious freedom only goes so far when you start doing insane and dangerous stuff like that.  I mean, yes, it ended badly.  No disagreement.  But this was a crazy cult that was never going to let things end well.

This. They were raping kids, abusing kids and stockpiling weapons to basically start an overthrow of the government. It was handled badly, but they needed to stop what was going on there.

The whole "innocent until proven guilty" thing no longer applies in this glorious America we now inhabit.


Well, they did try to arrest them, but hard to when they were holed up in the compound. What were they supposed to do? You can't let them keep raping kids.

If the feds started the fire, that was wrong, and I agree it was handled wrong, but Koresh definitely needed to be investigated/arrested/etc.
 
2013-04-20 02:11:35 PM

Delawheredad: Except that the government ordered a hundred body bags before the siege even started.(According to the Philadelphia Inquirer the day after the fire.) No one was ever supposed to get out of there. The day the Davidians  killed ATF agents their days were numbered.


You forgot the reverse vampires and the reptilian shapeshifters.
 
2013-04-20 02:12:40 PM
As to the Waco tapes that proved the BD's lit the fire themselves. Colin Powell went to the U.N with tape recordings that "proved" Saddam Hussein was making anthrax and other biological terror weapons. The ATF and the FBi have very good reasons for making it seem as though they had no part in the fire..
 
2013-04-20 02:12:55 PM

FarkinHostile: LordJiro: And lunatic cult leaders will do anything to avoid facing justice for their actions. Including poison their entire Guyanese town or, indeed, set their own compound on fire.

You know why no one jokes about the Jonestown massacre?

The punch lines are too long.


Wooooooooow, that's a new one. Awful. +1
 
2013-04-20 02:13:39 PM

namegoeshere: Read The Boy Who Was Raised As A Dog, by Bruice Perry, MD.  He is the former Chief of Psychiatry at Texas Children's Hospital. A number of children were released from the compound in the days before the fire, and  Dr Perry worked with the them. The children all drew pictures of the compound engulfed in flames BEFORE it burned. When it happened, not one of them was even a little surprised. They all knew that everyone who stayed would die in the fire. It was planned. They knew how it was going to end. The fire was the BD's koolaid. It was in the script. They did it to themselves.


Repeated for emphasis. Although I suspect the conspiracy theorists will continue to ignore this and keep blaming the Big Bad Fed for everything.
 
2013-04-20 02:13:43 PM
Before the fire:  We Ain't Comin' Out!

After the fire:  What A Cook-Out!
 
2013-04-20 02:14:16 PM

Milo Minderbinder: Delawheredad: Except that the government ordered a hundred body bags before the siege even started.(According to the Philadelphia Inquirer the day after the fire.) No one was ever supposed to get out of there. The day the Davidians  killed ATF agents their days were numbered.

You forgot the reverse vampires and the reptilian shapeshifters.


Fast forward 20 years, and the mysterious UN brigades have been replaced by shadowy Muslim sleeper cells. Same kooky wingnuts, different Democrat usurper.
 
2013-04-20 02:14:28 PM

Shadowknight: doglover: Peter von Nostrand: Never let the truth stand in the way of blaming the evil government jack-booted thugs

Regardless of who set the fires, what good did the siege at Waco accomplish?

Well, you couldn't very well let them keep raping kids and stockpiling illegal weapons with impunity.  Religious freedom only goes so far when you start doing insane and dangerous stuff like that.  I mean, yes, it ended badly.  No disagreement.  But this was a crazy cult that was never going to let things end well.


What illegal weapons?  When did allegations of sexual abuse become the province of the ATF?
 
2013-04-20 02:15:10 PM

TV's Vinnie: doglover: DoctorCal: Have they found a new messiah to rape their kids?

That new messiah would have to be pretty damn gross, because if I recall correctly, the ATF and FBI roasted a fair number of those kids Dorner Kebab style.

The FBI nor ATF did that. It was all Koresh's fault. He ordered his slaves to set those fires. He'd rather take down himself and everyone around him in flames than face the music for his kiddy-diddling.


Paranoid conspiracies like this crack me up.
 
2013-04-20 02:15:42 PM

Peter von Nostrand: doglover: 2wolves: doglover: DoctorCal: Have they found a new messiah to rape their kids?

That new messiah would have to be pretty damn gross, because if I recall correctly, the ATF and FBI roasted a fair number of those kids Dorner Kebab style.

No. You're forgetting that Mr Koresh used arson in an earlier incident to erase his mistakes. Stop spreading disinformation.

So they didn't fire military tear gas shells (aka burners) into the bunker after breaching the wall?

Once you go

potato potatoe don't ever look back

//ftfy
 
2013-04-20 02:17:57 PM

pearls before swine: I guess some people think that when you go to execute an arrest warrant, and the suspect and his henchmen shoot and kill some of the arresting officers, you should just turn around, go home, and leave them be.  After all, it was obviously either that or siege, and if siege was the wrong answer. . . .

The branch dividians claimed the ATF shot first.  We'll never know for sure given that key pieces of evidence disappeared.

It's also pretty strange that they chose full out confrontation right away rather than arrest Koresh when he was jogging or take him him up on his offer to visit the place.
 
2013-04-20 02:18:58 PM

Rozotorical: machoprogrammer: Shadowknight: doglover: Peter von Nostrand: Never let the truth stand in the way of blaming the evil government jack-booted thugs

Regardless of who set the fires, what good did the siege at Waco accomplish?

Well, you couldn't very well let them keep raping kids and stockpiling illegal weapons with impunity.  Religious freedom only goes so far when you start doing insane and dangerous stuff like that.  I mean, yes, it ended badly.  No disagreement.  But this was a crazy cult that was never going to let things end well.

This. They were raping kids, abusing kids and stockpiling weapons to basically start an overthrow of the government. It was handled badly, but they needed to stop what was going on there.

Yeah yeah yeah. Stopped that kiddie raping reeeeal good. Kids are lucky wont ever get raped again.


Not to mention that allegation of child abuse are the jurisdiction of the local police departments and not the ATF.
 
2013-04-20 02:19:30 PM
Love how many here are 100% absolutely sure that the government slaughtered a bunch of innocent Christians because "I don't like the government and I heard they do mean things so everything bad is all their fault".
 
2013-04-20 02:20:24 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Love how many here are 100% absolutely sure that the government slaughtered a bunch of innocent Christians because "I don't like the government and I heard they do mean things so everything bad is all their fault".


Did a quick thread scan, seems like you're the only one saying that.
 
2013-04-20 02:20:53 PM

pedrop357: Shadowknight: doglover: Peter von Nostrand: Never let the truth stand in the way of blaming the evil government jack-booted thugs

Regardless of who set the fires, what good did the siege at Waco accomplish?

Well, you couldn't very well let them keep raping kids and stockpiling illegal weapons with impunity.  Religious freedom only goes so far when you start doing insane and dangerous stuff like that.  I mean, yes, it ended badly.  No disagreement.  But this was a crazy cult that was never going to let things end well.

What illegal weapons?  When did allegations of sexual abuse become the province of the ATF?


IIRC they never actually found illegal weapons, but the fear was that the BD's were collecting various bits and pieces needed to modify semi-autos, which is illegal. Not sure that's really enough to justify raiding the compound but, didn't some official get in trouble for lying about knowledge of illegal weapons in order to get the sign-off to raid the place?

What a farked up situation all around.
 
2013-04-20 02:21:43 PM
I'm not a conspiracy theorist but WACO was a clusterfark from the beginning. EVERYTHING the FBI and ATF did reinforced the BD's beliefs that Armageddon was at hand. The ATF and the FBI are peopled with bright people. So you have to ask yourself how could so many people in BOTH agencies do EVERYTHING wrong from day one. WACO either the government is far more incompetent than ever thought or there was a deliberate plan for the siege to end the way it did WHOEVER started the fire. There is NO OTHER OPTION.
 
2013-04-20 02:22:17 PM
God only knows...
www.carolmoore.net

...it's not what we would choose to do.
img.fark.net
 
2013-04-20 02:23:01 PM

pedrop357: Rozotorical: machoprogrammer: Shadowknight: doglover: Peter von Nostrand: Never let the truth stand in the way of blaming the evil government jack-booted thugs

Regardless of who set the fires, what good did the siege at Waco accomplish?

Well, you couldn't very well let them keep raping kids and stockpiling illegal weapons with impunity.  Religious freedom only goes so far when you start doing insane and dangerous stuff like that.  I mean, yes, it ended badly.  No disagreement.  But this was a crazy cult that was never going to let things end well.

This. They were raping kids, abusing kids and stockpiling weapons to basically start an overthrow of the government. It was handled badly, but they needed to stop what was going on there.

Yeah yeah yeah. Stopped that kiddie raping reeeeal good. Kids are lucky wont ever get raped again.

Not to mention that allegation of child abuse are the jurisdiction of the local police departments and not the ATF.


And weapons violations (such as illegally altering M16s to make them automatic) are the jurisdiction of the ATF.
 
2013-04-20 02:24:40 PM

pedrop357: Keizer_Ghidorah: Love how many here are 100% absolutely sure that the government slaughtered a bunch of innocent Christians because "I don't like the government and I heard they do mean things so everything bad is all their fault".

Did a quick thread scan, seems like you're the only one saying that.


The vibes I'm getting say otherwise. "If the government had only done this", "If they'd just left those people alone", "This way/that/way/government burned all those kids".
 
2013-04-20 02:25:03 PM

LordJiro: pedrop357: Rozotorical: machoprogrammer: Shadowknight: doglover: Peter von Nostrand: Never let the truth stand in the way of blaming the evil government jack-booted thugs

Regardless of who set the fires, what good did the siege at Waco accomplish?

Well, you couldn't very well let them keep raping kids and stockpiling illegal weapons with impunity.  Religious freedom only goes so far when you start doing insane and dangerous stuff like that.  I mean, yes, it ended badly.  No disagreement.  But this was a crazy cult that was never going to let things end well.

This. They were raping kids, abusing kids and stockpiling weapons to basically start an overthrow of the government. It was handled badly, but they needed to stop what was going on there.

Yeah yeah yeah. Stopped that kiddie raping reeeeal good. Kids are lucky wont ever get raped again.

Not to mention that allegation of child abuse are the jurisdiction of the local police departments and not the ATF.

And weapons violations (such as illegally altering M16s to make them automatic) are the jurisdiction of the ATF.


In their warrant request, they played up the sexual abuse angle quite a bit because their illegal weapon allegations were pathetically weak.

M16s are already automatic, and the ATF didn't present a whole lot in court about illegally modifying semi-auto rifles.  Nothing they presented justified the kind of action they took.
 
2013-04-20 02:25:20 PM

Peter von Nostrand: doglover: Peter von Nostrand: Never let the truth stand in the way of blaming the evil government jack-booted thugs

Regardless of who set the fires, what good did the siege at Waco accomplish?

Not much. I think most people would agree that the government should have handled it better. Same as Ruby Ridge, etc.


Yes, the government should have handled it better.  But, then again, the cultists should have obeyed the law better.
 
2013-04-20 02:25:26 PM

YixilTesiphon: TV's Vinnie: doglover: DoctorCal: Have they found a new messiah to rape their kids?

That new messiah would have to be pretty damn gross, because if I recall correctly, the ATF and FBI roasted a fair number of those kids Dorner Kebab style.

The FBI nor ATF did that. It was all Koresh's fault. He ordered his slaves to set those fires. He'd rather take down himself and everyone around him in flames than face the music for his kiddy-diddling.

It was the FBI/ATF who shot at the exits during the fire, though.


Um, no. They didn't. STFU.
 
2013-04-20 02:25:52 PM

pedrop357: Keizer_Ghidorah: Love how many here are 100% absolutely sure that the government slaughtered a bunch of innocent Christians because "I don't like the government and I heard they do mean things so everything bad is all their fault".

Did a quick thread scan, seems like you're the only one saying that.


For real... I don't think the government did it because they "do mean things" in all honesty I'm not sure who started the fire. I doubt anyone will ever know the truth. It could likely be either party, and if the govt did start the blaze it was probably an accident. It's not like the BD's weren't stocked to the rafters with flammable substances.
 
2013-04-20 02:25:54 PM

YixilTesiphon: Peter von Nostrand: the government should have handled it better. Same as Ruby Ridge, etc.

So, the feds shouldn't have been there, just like with Ruby Ridge?

If the dude was raping kids - and why else do people start cults - then he could have been arrested when out on his daily run.


I don't disagree that his apprehension should have been handled differently
 
2013-04-20 02:26:52 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: pedrop357: Keizer_Ghidorah: Love how many here are 100% absolutely sure that the government slaughtered a bunch of innocent Christians because "I don't like the government and I heard they do mean things so everything bad is all their fault".

Did a quick thread scan, seems like you're the only one saying that.

The vibes I'm getting say otherwise. "If the government had only done this", "If they'd just left those people alone", "This way/that/way/government burned all those kids".


Agreed on all 3 points.  The government is supposed to be staffed with trained, professional, restrained people, yet everything they did was a clusterfark from the beginning and reeks of illegal, unethical, and/or unconstitutional activities by the government, just like at Ruby Ridge.
 
2013-04-20 02:27:09 PM

peasants_are_revolting: "We survivors of 1993 are looking for David and all those that died either in shootout or in the fire," Doyle says. "We believe that God will resurrect this special group."


Koresh burned for my shins.
Proof?
Look at my great shins.
 
2013-04-20 02:27:46 PM

Mock26: Peter von Nostrand: doglover: Peter von Nostrand: Never let the truth stand in the way of blaming the evil government jack-booted thugs

Regardless of who set the fires, what good did the siege at Waco accomplish?

Not much. I think most people would agree that the government should have handled it better. Same as Ruby Ridge, etc.

Yes, the government should have handled it better.  But, then again, the cultists should have obeyed the law better.


You'll note that the few who survived were acquitted of nearly everything.
 
2013-04-20 02:28:49 PM

snocone: MFAWG: doglover: 2wolves: doglover: DoctorCal: Have they found a new messiah to rape their kids?

That new messiah would have to be pretty damn gross, because if I recall correctly, the ATF and FBI roasted a fair number of those kids Dorner Kebab style.

No. You're forgetting that Mr Koresh used arson in an earlier incident to erase his mistakes. Stop spreading disinformation.

So they didn't fire military tear gas shells (aka burners) into the bunker after breaching the wall?

Burners refers to the effects, jackass.

Still having trouble with "tear gas" starting fires after all these years.



If Alex Jones says it is true then it must be true!

Bwahahahahahahahahahaha!  Sorry.  I could not keep a straight face while typing that!
 
2013-04-20 02:30:59 PM

Mock26: snocone: MFAWG: doglover: 2wolves: doglover: DoctorCal: Have they found a new messiah to rape their kids?

That new messiah would have to be pretty damn gross, because if I recall correctly, the ATF and FBI roasted a fair number of those kids Dorner Kebab style.

No. You're forgetting that Mr Koresh used arson in an earlier incident to erase his mistakes. Stop spreading disinformation.

So they didn't fire military tear gas shells (aka burners) into the bunker after breaching the wall?

Burners refers to the effects, jackass.

Still having trouble with "tear gas" starting fires after all these years.


If Alex Jones says it is true then it must be true!

Bwahahahahahahahahahaha!  Sorry.  I could not keep a straight face while typing that!


The police call the devices they insert "burners" and would you believe it that a few seconds after deploying one of these "burners" into a cabin, a fire started?  It's almost like deploying this stuff in high concentrations OR into an area with an open flame (fireplace) is likely to start a fire and they know it.
 
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