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2013-04-20 07:00:43 PM

Bucky Katt: Lindsey Graham is a fool who happens to be up for re-election.

The Boston bomber is a murderer and should be treated as such.



He is. Outside of the bombing, he's about to get a state charge in the death of the MIT cop.
He's going to go to trial, no matter what the Alex Jones crowd thinks.
 
2013-04-20 07:04:15 PM
Lindsey Graham and other members of the GOP Fail Squad wants the Boston Bomber to be classified as an "enemy combatant"?

Because that worked out so well in terms of conviction rates over at Gitmo?

Protip to LG: Obey the Law, try this reprehensible criminal by the books and put him away for life.

/And the next time you shiat yourself out of fear of terrorism try not to be squatting over the Constitution when you do so.
 
2013-04-20 07:05:05 PM

Amos Quito: ow politicians might see you


Actually, the politicians I voted for are grateful someone out there had the common sense to elect them over some social conservative. And they've actually done their part in improving society. Too bad you see that as people catching fish or raising pigs.

tl:dr thanks for your utter inability to defend your paranoid unsustainable opinions.
 
2013-04-20 07:11:23 PM

Brubold: FlashHarry: NewportBarGuy: The 48 hours thing? Sounds reasonable. After that, read him his rights, give him a lawyer and stand him before a judge and jury.

While we're at it, let's do that to everyone in GITMO.

i understand the miranda exemption. but he MUST be tried as any american citizen would be tried, with ALL the rights due to him under the constitution.

lindsay graham wants to turn this country into a police state. he is a real piece of shiat.

Fact - Any US citizen can be held indefinitely without access to any of those rights.

Fact - Lindsey Graham isn't the one who made it that way.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/12/with-reservations-obama -s igns-act-to-allow-detention-of-citizens/

"With reservations" my ass.


Well he certainly helped.

Under the 'worldwide indefinite detention without charge or trial' provision of S.1867, the National Defense Authorization Act bill, which is set to be up for a vote on the Senate floor this week, the legislation will "basically say in law for the first time that the homeland is part of the battlefield," said Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), who supports the bill.


And Obama at least used the threat of vetoing the bill to get some changes made.


President Obama initially threatened to veto the NDAA, but then indicated he would agree to sign a revised version that allowed the president to issue such waivers on his own and no longer explicitly banned the use of civilian courts in prosecuting Al Qaeda suspects.
 
2013-04-20 07:12:31 PM
Also, has it been pointed out that Lindsey Graham is an awfully funny name. I wonder if he dyes his hair, too?
 
2013-04-20 07:17:40 PM
Just a reminder that anyone who believes a word from our resident GED in law is a fool.
 
2013-04-20 07:22:15 PM
"I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Seems to me Senator Graham has said this a few times.  Interesting interpretation.
 
2013-04-20 07:22:45 PM

HighOnCraic: TheShavingofOccam123: sammyk: Come on guys. We all know the only important part of the constitution is the 2nd amendment. We wont be 3rd world savages if we torture the guy. What's the worst we could become?

We have rights in this country. Now, who wants to use their guns to torture this guy? Come on, who's with me now?


[mimg.ugo.com image 392x214]

What is over when the Czechs bombed Boston?


http://www.fark.com/comments/7708723/Czech-ambassador-would-like-to- in form-you-that-Czech-Republic-Chechnya-are-two-very-different-entities& new=1#new
 
2013-04-20 07:25:34 PM
What if he's not the right guy?  I'm not trolling, but without due process to find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law, we yield to trial by media/internet.  It's a dangerous precedent, and short of a confession, it's what this nation needs right now.
What if he was only involved with the robberies and shootings Thursday night, and wasn't involved in the bombing?  What if it was actually someone else, and actually taking this guy to trial leads to another person being responsible?
Don't we have to follow due process on this?  He's in custody, his brother's dead, and I'm sure there'll be plenty against him, but that doesn't mean throw out the entire justice process.
 
2013-04-20 07:25:54 PM

Churchy LaFemme: I think the frustration of being a self-loathing, closeted, gay Republican has finally made poor Lindsay crack...


schydrogen.org

So I'm not the only one getting "Totally gay" vibes off this pic.Good.
 
2013-04-20 07:30:54 PM

Semantic Warrior: What if he's not the right guy?  I'm not trolling, but without due process to find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law, we yield to trial by media/internet.  It's a dangerous precedent, and short of a confession, it's what this nation needs right now.
What if he was only involved with the robberies and shootings Thursday night, and wasn't involved in the bombing?  What if it was actually someone else, and actually taking this guy to trial leads to another person being responsible?
Don't we have to follow due process on this?  He's in custody, his brother's dead, and I'm sure there'll be plenty against him, but that doesn't mean throw out the entire justice process.


Since they were racially profiled, my guess is that he and his brother are innocent, and were forced into violence by an oppressive and racist system.  A systematic system that systematically chooses the winners and the losers.  And if you aren't white, christian, males, you lose.
 
2013-04-20 07:31:06 PM

TerminalEchoes: DamnYankees: TerminalEchoes: Why should our Constitution protect people who aren't citizens?

Well, there's tons of reasons, but there are two very obvious, one philosophical and one practical:

On the philosophical size, the reasons we have these rights is not transactional. You don't get these rights in exchange for some sort of payment you'd made as a citizen. You get them because, as we say in the Declaration of Independence, all men are created equal, endowed with life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. All men, not all citizens. Over time we've pushed to make that definition more expansive not less, including women and minorities. We restrict the government from doing things to you not because you have 'earned' that right, but because the government does not have the authority to take your rights away. There's nothing in any of this philosophy which draws any line between citizens and not, for good reason.

On the practical side, I'm pretty sure if you were accused of a crime in another country, you'd want the protection of their laws. I presume you wouldn't be ok being tortured in a French prison for being accused of stealing bread simply because you aren't French.

You make sense and I can't really muster a logical argument against it. That being said, the whole idea still rubs me the wrong way. But I guess that's my problem.


You do have a few unique and exclusive rights as a citizen.

You have the right to enter the country at any time and remain in the country with no restrictions without requiring a visa.
You have the right to accept legal employment without requiring a visa.
If you are 18 years or older you have the right to vote in all elections.
You have the right to advice and protection within the law from the State Department and US Embassies and Consulates overseas.
In most cases, any children born to you anywhere in the world are eligible to claim US citizenship.

As far as the rest is concerned, such as due process of law, those fall under human rights and the principle isn't about giving rights, it's about following judicial procedure deliberately and carefully constructed to preserve said human rights.

It's also quite practical as human trafficking is a major and truly brutal crime that would very likely become a plague if the victims had no legal protection. Anyone with even a shred of decency should be willing to hand out any and all legal protection to those victims if for no other reason than to provide a means to get their hands on the inhuman monsters who practice that vile trade.
 
2013-04-20 07:35:49 PM
What part of "small government" translates as "totalitarian police state"?
 
2013-04-20 07:37:27 PM

RanDomino: What part of "small government" translates as "totalitarian police state"?


The part where the 2nd amendment is infringed upon.
 
2013-04-20 07:39:33 PM

The_Sponge: HighOnCraic: TheShavingofOccam123: sammyk: Come on guys. We all know the only important part of the constitution is the 2nd amendment. We wont be 3rd world savages if we torture the guy. What's the worst we could become?

We have rights in this country. Now, who wants to use their guns to torture this guy? Come on, who's with me now?


[mimg.ugo.com image 392x214]

What is over when the Czechs bombed Boston?

http://www.fark.com/comments/7708723/Czech-ambassador-would-like-to- in form-you-that-Czech-Republic-Chechnya-are-two-very-different-entities& new=1#new


[that'sthejoke.jpg]

The actual line from "Animal House" was, "Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?"  I didn't think that was obscure. . .
 
2013-04-20 07:44:23 PM

IlGreven: I find it sad that, today, 20 years after the FBI raid on the Branch Davidians, many of the same people who criticize the Clinton administration for depriving the Davidians' lives and liberties without due process would gleefully deprive Dzhokhar Tsarnaev's life and/or liberty without due process by branding him an "enemy combatant" and sending him to Gitmo.


I find it just about right. Those people will tell you all day that those are totally different.
 
2013-04-20 07:46:20 PM

HighOnCraic: [that'sthejoke.jpg]

The actual line from "Animal House" was, "Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?" I didn't think that was obscure. . .



Oh no....I knew the reference....just thought you might get a kick out of that thread.
 
2013-04-20 07:49:08 PM

RanDomino: What part of "small government" translates as "totalitarian police state"?


You have to admit, it cuts down on the bureaucracy.
 
2013-04-20 07:50:28 PM
i33.tinypic.com
 
2013-04-20 07:53:52 PM

The_Sponge: HighOnCraic: [that'sthejoke.jpg]

The actual line from "Animal House" was, "Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?" I didn't think that was obscure. . .


Oh no....I knew the reference....just thought you might get a kick out of that thread.


No worries.  I was there; I got drawn into minor silliness at the end. . .
 
2013-04-20 08:00:31 PM
A Republican from a southern state?  Well color me shocked.

Its amazing how people who like to shout about how much they love the Constitution are usually the first to try and toss it out when its inconvenient.
 
2013-04-20 08:05:08 PM

DamnYankees: Skeptos: There's a point I'm not clear on. Even if they don't READ Tsarnaev his rights, he still HAS them, correct? That is, he could still say "F off and get me a lawyer" to every question they ask him?

Correct.


You should be out telling the cops to let the suspect go, on account of how badly they bungled the manhunt. And over interpreting the constitution for Scalia or something. You're unneeded here.
 
2013-04-20 08:05:47 PM
I don't know why y'all think Ol' Lin is stupid, just because he is calling for the courts to do something they can't. He knows that - but his constituents  don't.
It's a common tactic among politicians with his sort of constituents. He can turn to them now, and say: "See? I CALLED for this turrist to be treated as a foreign combatant! But them thar pointy headed intellechules wouldn' do it!!"
It's all win for him, and no real harm done.
 
2013-04-20 08:15:45 PM

jso2897: I don't know why y'all think Ol' Lin is stupid, just because he is calling for the courts to do something they can't. He knows that - but his constituents  don't.
It's a common tactic among politicians with his sort of constituents. He can turn to them now, and say: "See? I CALLED for this turrist to be treated as a foreign combatant! But them thar pointy headed intellechules wouldn' do it!!"
It's all win for him, and no real harm done.



Only until someone introduces a bill that makes it easier to invoke 'enemy combatant' status. When that happens, he's faced with "do I toe the party line and win the next election, or do I do what's right and expose myself as a hypocrite".

/Of course the real answer is 'vote however the lobbyists tell me to and make up imaginary scenarios to justify my vote', but his constituents don't know that.
 
2013-04-20 08:17:25 PM

NateAsbestos: Churchy LaFemme: I think the frustration of being a self-loathing, closeted, gay Republican has finally made poor Lindsay crack...

[schydrogen.org image 350x462]

So I'm not the only one getting "Totally gay" vibes off this pic.Good.


I believe the proper nomenclature is "confirmed bachelor"
 
2013-04-20 08:28:25 PM
Freeperland is surprisingly divided on this. Some of them are upset that it is a federal case in the first place.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3010273/posts

Natural born citizen only applies to if he can run for president it doesn't apply elsewhere.
Anyone accused of a crime by King Obama deserves protection under the constitution.

I hate it when conservatives drop their principles for whatever reason. This guy is a citizen and committed a crime in Massachusetts. he should be tried like everyone else. He is not an enemy combatant. We should do this because that's what U.S. law says. But the added benefit of protecting our own rights. The Obamas, Bushes etc. of the world would love this guy to be an enemy combatant. They can make anyone they don't like an enemy combatant and call in a drone strike against them. Someday when you are taken out by a drone strike for voting Republican, you have only yourself to blame for abandoning the U.S. Constitution and U.S, principles at the drop of a hat. You are a total tool of the left.
 
2013-04-20 08:31:31 PM
Looks like the point is moot.


Boston Marathon suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev hospitalized, unable to answer questions

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/boston-marathon-explosions/jubi la tion-thanks-after-boston-marathon-suspect-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-captured-a fter-daylong-manhunt
 
2013-04-20 08:31:54 PM

El Pachuco: the Constitution protects the rights of all persons, not just citizens.


GTFO with all that crazy talk!
 
2013-04-20 08:34:00 PM

GoldSpider: SkinnyHead: If they question him without Miranda, and the court finds a Miranda violation, that wouldn't get him off the hook. It would just mean that his statements could not be used against him. They could still prove him guilty with other evidence.

This may be the first time in the history of Fark you were ever right about anything.


It truly is a weird week.
 
2013-04-20 08:42:04 PM

FlashHarry: lindsey graham is a disgrace. he is an america-hating piece of garbage who should be kicked out of congress.


He hates us for our freedom.
 
2013-04-20 08:54:33 PM

Lionel Mandrake: NateAsbestos: Churchy LaFemme: I think the frustration of being a self-loathing, closeted, gay Republican has finally made poor Lindsay crack...

[schydrogen.org image 350x462]

So I'm not the only one getting "Totally gay" vibes off this pic.Good.

I believe the proper nomenclature is "confirmed bachelor"



Nope. George Clooney is a confirmed bachelor, and gets more tang than NASA.
Lindsey Graham is gayer than spooge on a moustache.
 
2013-04-20 09:05:19 PM

whidbey: Amos Quito: ow politicians might see you

Actually, the politicians I voted for are grateful someone out there had the common sense to elect them over some social conservative. And they've actually done their part in improving society. Too bad you see that as people catching fish or raising pigs.

tl:dr thanks for your utter inability to defend your paranoid unsustainable opinions.



Which "paranoid unsustainable opinions", whidbey?

Oh and I have to ask... when you wrote above...


whidbey: Amos Quito: You see a difference?

Of course there's a difference between the Dems and the Republicans.

What you don't like about them is that both are too liberal for you. And that whole "social safety net" thing. Tsk tsk. Stealing your hard earned money to give to lazy bums who won't work. The NERVE of those people.



Was this in reference to something I actually SAID sometime? Or is this one of those responses you randomly pull out of your ass when you can't think of anything else to say?
 
2013-04-20 09:05:33 PM

FlashHarry: Sock Ruh Tease: He's just saying what every Republican senator is thinking.

why is it that those who purport to love america the most are the quickest to throw away the thing that makes it great?




Probably for the same reason that everyone who believes that "they need guns to prevents the soon-to-come overreach of the tyranny of the federal government by sending in the military to take their guns" have a tendecy to vote for the people who insist on funneling a large percentage of our GDP into maintaining an overwhelming military (to better take over small militias with guns).
 
2013-04-20 09:05:41 PM

Ranger Rover: Peter von Nostrand: Ranger Rover: FlashHarry: Sock Ruh Tease: He's just saying what every Republican senator is thinking.

why is it that those who purport to love america the most are the quickest to throw away the thing that makes it great?

Why are we blaming this only on Republicans when it seems the Obama administration is leading the charge, both with this guy specifically and and in the past as far as attempts to widen the public safety exemption?

http://www.theverge.com/2013/4/19/4244802/boston-bombing-miranda-war ni ng-put-on-hold-public-safety-exception

You do realize that's totally different than declaring the guy an enemy combatant, right?

Yeah, that's a good point, I shouldn't be conflating the two. But I do think they at least go together, inasmuch as Graham has also expressed support for not Mirandizing him, and that enemy combatant status is a way around Mirandizing like the public safety expression. But, point conceded.

It seems like this has turned into a gun thread.


Don't they all anymore?
 
2013-04-20 09:09:04 PM

HighOnCraic: Looks like the point is moot.


Boston Marathon suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev hospitalized, unable to answer questions

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/boston-marathon-explosions/jubi la tion-thanks-after-boston-marathon-suspect-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-captured-a fter-daylong-manhunt



So remain silent he shall.

Still, the very implication of the whole "enemy combatant" invocation is chilling.
 
2013-04-20 09:15:17 PM

Amos Quito: HighOnCraic: Looks like the point is moot.


Boston Marathon suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev hospitalized, unable to answer questions

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/boston-marathon-explosions/jubi la tion-thanks-after-boston-marathon-suspect-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-captured-a fter-daylong-manhunt


So remain silent he shall.

Still, the very implication of the whole "enemy combatant" invocation is chilling.


You know who ELSE is chilling?

snl.jt.org
 
2013-04-20 09:35:30 PM

stoli n coke: Nope. George Clooney is a confirmed bachelor, and gets more tang than NASA.
Lindsey Graham is gayer than spooge on a moustache.


Okay, I actually laughed out loud. Kudos.
 
2013-04-20 09:36:30 PM

FlashHarry: Sock Ruh Tease: He's just saying what every Republican senator is thinking.

why is it that those who purport to love america the most are the quickest to throw away the thing that makes it great?


Yeah. For a party that constantly gibbers about how much they revere the constitution they don't seem to understand it very well.
 
2013-04-20 09:38:32 PM

whidbey: Not surprising that the Republicans are the ones calling for stripping an American citizen of his rights. After all, they were the ones who threw the Constitution out the window shoving the PATRIOT Act down Congress's throat a decade ago.

Oh but I thought both parties were the same.


You're couldn't be more wrong. You see when the Democrats took over the white house and both houses of congress, they repealed the Patriot Act in it's entirety. I bet the republicans were hoping that Obama would strengthen it.

/hope and change and all that jazz.
 
2013-04-20 09:50:12 PM

Kittypie070: Roper: So now you'd give the Devil benefit of law!

More: Yes. What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?

Roper: I'd cut down every law in England to do that!

More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned round on you - where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country's planted thick with laws from coast to coast - man's laws, not God's - and if you cut them down - and you're just the man to do it - d'you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake.


If I could easily stand, it would be applauding. If you were not a firm favourite (I would bet of many here), I would have the chance to do so. This is absolutely right.
 
2013-04-20 10:02:12 PM
What is not  Mirandizing this guy for 48 hours or whatever supposed to accomplish anyway? Like somebody who's been living here for 10+ years has never seen an episode of Law and Order.
 
2013-04-20 10:05:29 PM

cloakandbadger: What is not  Mirandizing this guy for 48 hours or whatever supposed to accomplish anyway? Like somebody who's been living here for 10+ years has never seen an episode of Law and Order.


It's fodder for the Alex Jones grist mill. Since the arrest didn't go down like they do on 80s cop shows, there must be a conspiracy to botch the investigation and let this ebil muslin terrist go.
 
2013-04-20 10:12:27 PM

Kittypie070: Roper: So now you'd give the Devil benefit of law!

More: Yes. What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?

Roper: I'd cut down every law in England to do that!

More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned round on you - where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country's planted thick with laws from coast to coast - man's laws, not God's - and if you cut them down - and you're just the man to do it - d'you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake.


Missed this JEWEL of a comment until timelady posted reference to it above.

Most apropos. Bravo.


Extra Catnip and FancyFeast for you, KP.

4/20?

;-)
 
2013-04-20 10:17:58 PM

Skeptos: There's a point I'm not clear on. Even if they don't READ Tsarnaev his rights, he still HAS them, correct? That is, he could still say "F off and get me a lawyer" to every question they ask him?


Yes, which is why our good man Lindsay wants authorities to be allowed to torture him.

This isn't just about reading Miranda rights, this is about old white men to be allowed to do whatever they want to brown people who might not have the same religious beliefs as them.
 
2013-04-20 10:18:38 PM

Amos Quito: Kittypie070: Roper: So now you'd give the Devil benefit of law!

More: Yes. What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?

Roper: I'd cut down every law in England to do that!

More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned round on you - where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country's planted thick with laws from coast to coast - man's laws, not God's - and if you cut them down - and you're just the man to do it - d'you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake.

Missed this JEWEL of a comment until timelady posted reference to it above.

Most apropos. Bravo.


Extra Catnip and FancyFeast for you, KP.

4/20?

;-)



img854.imageshack.us

Of course, you'll have the good taste not to mention that I spoke to you.
 
2013-04-20 10:22:10 PM

the ha ha guy: When liberals say: "We should make it easier to enforce the federal bans against criminals buying guns."
Conservatives hear: "We should make it easier to enforce the federal bans against criminals buying guns."


Actually, liberals (speaking for myself hear) "We should pass knee jerk legislation that wouldn't have stopped any of the recent shootings".

I'm all about doing things that actually might help and don't trample on the rights of the law abiding. By all means, raise my taxes and make mental health care something less of a joke. I'm all for background checks on commercial sales.

Requiring a background check for a private sale? No. Magazine restrictions? No.
 
2013-04-20 10:24:02 PM

cloakandbadger: What is not  Mirandizing this guy for 48 hours or whatever supposed to accomplish anyway? Like somebody who's been living here for 10+ years has never seen an episode of Law and Order.


I don't ever recall watching that show, certainly not from start to finish.
 
2013-04-20 10:25:34 PM

TsukasaK: the ha ha guy: When liberals say: "We should make it easier to enforce the federal bans against criminals buying guns."
Conservatives hear: "We should make it easier to enforce the federal bans against criminals buying guns."

Actually, liberals (speaking for myself hear) "We should pass knee jerk legislation that wouldn't have stopped any of the recent shootings".

I'm all about doing things that actually might help and don't trample on the rights of the law abiding. By all means, raise my taxes and make mental health care something less of a joke. I'm all for background checks on commercial sales.

Requiring a background check for a private sale? No. Magazine restrictions? No.



That got you a "smart" click.
 
2013-04-20 10:28:56 PM

TsukasaK: the ha ha guy: When liberals say: "We should make it easier to enforce the federal bans against criminals buying guns."
Conservatives hear: "We should make it easier to enforce the federal bans against criminals buying guns."

Actually, liberals (speaking for myself hear) "We should pass knee jerk legislation that wouldn't have stopped any of the recent shootings".

I'm all about doing things that actually might help and don't trample on the rights of the law abiding. By all means, raise my taxes and make mental health care something less of a joke. I'm all for background checks on commercial sales.

Requiring a background check for a private sale? No. Magazine restrictions? No.


I don't understand why not BC for private sale. If I'm your neighbor and you're making a sale of a gun to some unknown person, I think I would like to know (and so should you) that that person isn't some felonious nutcase. I think all gun sales should be done at a licensed gun dealership. You go to the dealership, you bring your gun, the buyer brings ID, the gun dealer does the background check and if the checking clears the buyer, he pays you the money, you hand over the gun. How much of a hassle is that? If not, I say the original buyer (you, say) is responsible for the use of the gun until the sale is cleared through a background checked procedure at a gun dealership.
 
2013-04-20 10:37:52 PM
I don't think Lindsey Graham actually believes this, he's just throwing some red meat to the Republican voters.
Remember he's got no say over how this guy is to be treated while in custody.

He's up for re-election next year, and his poll numbers are dropping, largely because a lot of SC republicans don't think he is conservative enough. He talks to democrats and reach compromises. He voted for Kagan and Sotomayor. He is working for immigration reform (they call him "Grahamnesty" down here)... and that has him in trouble with SC republicans.  Expect lots of derp from Graham in the next 18 months so he can get re-elected.

There's a decent chance he may get "primaried", and believe me... if you don't like this, you will shudder to see what will replace him.

This is the same state that Gingrich won in the primaries. Gingrich.
This is the same state where the governor won because she got Sarah Palin's endorsement... AFTER Palin lost the election and quit as governor.
This is the same state where Mark Sanford, the ex-governor that used state money to visit his Argentinian mistress, has a decent shot of being re-elected to his old US House seat in the coming weeks.

Be afraid... be very afraid...
 
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