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2013-04-20 03:30:54 PM

sammyk: Come on guys. We all know the only important part of the constitution is the 2nd amendment. We wont be 3rd world savages if we torture the guy. What's the worst we could become?


Yes well it is important to register voters and force them to submit to background checks to vote, but we can't infringe on their right to shoot children.
 
2013-04-20 03:31:16 PM
I hate the fact that this douche is most likely going to be given his Constitutional rights. BUT! In order for the Constitution to remain intact, you have to take the good with the bad. He's an American citizen and thus he deserves American due process. The moment you start making exceptions (like we already do), the Constitution starts to unravel.
 
2013-04-20 03:33:49 PM

opiumpoopy: it surely isn't wise to use, if it gives the defence lawyers a technicality they can use later in court to try to get their client off the hook.


I'm not sure the criminal case against him is going to depend on any statements he makes after being taken into custody.
 
2013-04-20 03:35:14 PM

A Terrible Human: darkedgefan: Oh, give me break you farkers. This a-hole should be a$$ raped in prison by the biggest black guy in the joint. Then he should have to toss salads every half hour in between each a$$ raping. And who would lose sleep over this? Not me.

When our enemies catch us they cut our heads off in front of cameras.

The point of it is so we aren't on the same farking level as bastards who cut off heads for fun. Would I mind if this dude has an unpleasant prison experience? No considering him and his asshole brother helped kill and maim people. Do I want him to get to that prison in the most legal way possible so his conviction can't be overturned? fark yes I do.


THIS
 
2013-04-20 03:35:23 PM
Don't make me start feeling sorry for the bombing suspect Lindsey, you subhuman piece of filth. He's an American citizen and should be treated as such, no matter how heinous the crime.
 
2013-04-20 03:35:32 PM
Lindsey's bullshiat language makes me hate him more than his actual opinion. It's understandable that a lot of people want to string this guy up without due process. I don't agree, but I get it. And like it or not, there IS precedent.

But punkass Sen. Graham won't even own that viewpoint. He throws in a few "perhapses" and "considers" so he can scuttle out of it if anyone asks him to explain himself. So he espouses a primitive, anti-American sentiment, but not enough to actually back it if things get difficult.

You must be so proud, Republicans.
 
2013-04-20 03:36:26 PM

TerminalEchoes: I hate the fact that this douche is most likely going to be given his Constitutional rights. BUT! In order for the Constitution to remain intact, you have to take the good with the bad. He's an American citizen and thus he deserves American due process. The moment you start making exceptions (like we already do), the Constitution starts to unravel.


Weird, I love the fact that he was caught and now gets to face due process of the law. It means the system is still working and the gravest threat to our nation, the Republicans, have not won. It amazes me that people whine their is no justice in the court systems, but won't serve and don't want the courts to process high profile criminals. That Republicans both complain government does not work and at the same time do their utmost to destroy the government and prevent it from working.

The reality is big government works when allowed to and not deliberately sabotaged. Sixty to seventy percent top marginal tax rate does balance the budget with out significantly slowing GDP growth, and that scares the shiat out of Republicans. They spew so many lies and so much disinformation that those two messages and ideas get drowned out.
 
2013-04-20 03:37:13 PM

Slaves2Darkness: sammyk: Come on guys. We all know the only important part of the constitution is the 2nd amendment. We wont be 3rd world savages if we torture the guy. What's the worst we could become?

Yes well it is important to register voters and force them to submit to background checks to vote, but we can't infringe on their right to shoot children.


You're a special kind if stupid, aren't you?
 
2013-04-20 03:38:27 PM

LucklessWonder: A Terrible Human: darkedgefan: Oh, give me break you farkers. This a-hole should be a$$ raped in prison by the biggest black guy in the joint. Then he should have to toss salads every half hour in between each a$$ raping. And who would lose sleep over this? Not me.

When our enemies catch us they cut our heads off in front of cameras.

The point of it is so we aren't on the same farking level as bastards who cut off heads for fun. Would I mind if this dude has an unpleasant prison experience? No considering him and his asshole brother helped kill and maim people. Do I want him to get to that prison in the most legal way possible so his conviction can't be overturned? fark yes I do.

THIS


I want to see him end up like McVeigh.
 
2013-04-20 03:38:35 PM
fark you senator graham
 
2013-04-20 03:43:17 PM
God, I love that Graham chick, I don't care that she says crazy shiat.

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2013-04-20 03:44:21 PM

FlashHarry: i understand the miranda exemption.


You do?
 
2013-04-20 03:45:27 PM

SkinnyHead: If they question him without Miranda, and the court finds a Miranda violation, that wouldn't get him off the hook. It would just mean that his statements could not be used against him. They could still prove him guilty with other evidence.


This may be the first time in the history of Fark you were ever right about anything.
 
2013-04-20 03:45:56 PM

hinten: God, I love that Graham chick, I don't care that she says crazy shiat.


*fapfapfap*
 
2013-04-20 03:46:12 PM
"What may be done to one may be done to all." ---Richard Henry Dana

And don't you forget it, Senator. Next time they may come for you.
 
2013-04-20 03:46:55 PM

SkinnyHead: They should certainly use the public safety exception to question him without Miranda to find out about his co-conspirators.


They are and I don't think people have a problem with it
 
2013-04-20 03:47:59 PM

spongeboob: Graham also suggested that the Obama administration should use a drone to track any suspects in the case


I thought drones were bad


It's an interesting poll, but I suspect that forecasting emotional responses to future acts of terrorism is subject to significant impact bias.
 
2013-04-20 03:49:34 PM

Peter von Nostrand: It seems like there was a time when Lindsey was somewhat reasonable. Or maybe I just wasn't paying close enough attention


He's the kind of guy where quoting snippets of him out of context makes him seem more reasonable instead of less reasonable.
 
2013-04-20 03:54:00 PM

Virulency: They are and I don't think people have a problem with it


I'm not entirely certain how not notifying him of his rights is going to make him any more likely to be cooperative.
 
2013-04-20 03:54:51 PM

Sock Ruh Tease: He's just saying what every Republican senator is thinking.


Let some imaginary threat to the 2nd Amendment come up and suddenly every redneck I know is a staunch defender of the Constitution. Then you have something like this happen and the same people are willing to wipe their ass with it.
 
2013-04-20 03:55:50 PM

darkedgefan: Oh, give me break you farkers. This a-hole should be a$$ raped in prison by the biggest black guy in the joint. Then he should have to toss salads every half hour in between each a$$ raping. And who would lose sleep over this? Not me.

When our enemies catch us they cut our heads off in front of cameras.


So what you're saying is that you hate our country for our freedoms and rule of law and admire our enemies for their barbarity and think we should strive to be more like them?
 
2013-04-20 03:56:00 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Wish the Democrats/Obama had the balls to stand up and call out people like Graham for being the unAmerican  shiat that they are.



Maybe they agree with Graham, but haven't the balls to say so?
 
2013-04-20 03:57:12 PM
Righties talk all about how government is evil and we can't trust them and all, but then the instant any kind of serious shiat goes down, they're the first to offer their rights up -- nay, demand their rights be taken from them -- in order to keep them safe.  Hypocrites and cowards, the whole lot.
 
2013-04-20 03:57:45 PM

kxs401: Graham and his ilk can do FAR more damage to America than any terrorist.


Unfortunately "his ilk" includes many, MANY "liberals".
 
2013-04-20 03:59:00 PM
What is it about republicans and their facial features that are........not quite human?

angrywhitedude.comschydrogen.org

Decades from now, in a world where these criminals are finally removed form power, our grandchildren are going to look at holo-rods of these days and ask us "WTF WERE YOU THINKING, VOTING FOR THESE BASTARDS???!! I MEAN, JUST LOOK AT THEM! DIDN'T YOU GET ANY SORT OF CREEPY VIBES COMING OFF FROM THEM?"
 
2013-04-20 03:59:02 PM

HeartBurnKid: Righties talk all about how government is evil and we can't trust them and all, but then the instant any kind of serious shiat goes down, they're the first to offer their rights up -- nay, demand their rights be taken from them -- in order to keep them safe.  Hypocrites and cowards, the whole lot.



Tweedle (D) vs Tweedle (R).

Enjoying the show?
 
2013-04-20 03:59:59 PM

Amos Quito: kxs401: Graham and his ilk can do FAR more damage to America than any terrorist.

Unfortunately "his ilk" includes many, MANY "liberals".


NO liberals would vote for Graham.
 
2013-04-20 04:02:41 PM
I think the frustration of being a self-loathing, closeted, gay Republican has finally made poor Lindsay crack...
 
2013-04-20 04:03:44 PM

FlashHarry: Sock Ruh Tease: He's just saying what every Republican senator is thinking.

why is it that those who purport to love america the most are the quickest to throw away the thing that makes it great?


Because, they covet the master-keys.
 
2013-04-20 04:05:29 PM

GoldSpider: Virulency: They are and I don't think people have a problem with it

I'm not entirely certain how not notifying him of his rights is going to make him any more likely to be cooperative.


Either way they don't need his statements to convict at this point... Anything he talks and gives up is a bonus and yah if he's going to talk he's going to talk regardless if e was read some rights
 
2013-04-20 04:08:17 PM

Virulency: Anything he talks and gives up is a bonus and yah if he's going to talk he's going to talk regardless if e was read some rights


That's kind of my point... so why not play this by the book?
 
2013-04-20 04:11:47 PM
Not surprising that the Republicans are the ones calling for stripping an American citizen of his rights. After all, they were the ones who threw the Constitution out the window shoving the PATRIOT Act down Congress's throat a decade ago.

Oh but I thought both parties were the same.
 
2013-04-20 04:12:05 PM

GoldSpider: Virulency: Anything he talks and gives up is a bonus and yah if he's going to talk he's going to talk regardless if e was read some rights

That's kind of my point... so why not play this by the book?


In some cases I imagine time is more important than getting a confession and the information is more valuable since they don't need his statements to convict him, But they could use it against accomplices. It's not like his rights to remain silent go away if he's not read rights
 
2013-04-20 04:15:07 PM
Speaking of names, I had a cute girl-friend named Lindsey. I assume Mr. Graham is a taker and as weird as a three dollar bill?
 
2013-04-20 04:17:15 PM

Delay: Speaking of names, I had a cute girl-friend named Lindsey. I assume Mr. Graham is a taker and as weird as a three dollar bill?


Apparently, bragging about how the US government should function like a police state isn't "weird."
 
2013-04-20 04:19:10 PM

Amos Quito: Satanic_Hamster: Wish the Democrats/Obama had the balls to stand up and call out people like Graham for being the unAmerican  shiat that they are.


Maybe they agree with Graham, but haven't the balls to say so?


*SMACK*
*SMACK*
*SMACK*
*SMACK*

*flail*
*SMACK*

drat malaria spreading little pest
 
2013-04-20 04:21:28 PM

Amos Quito: Tweedle (D) vs Tweedle (R).


Just shut up and pay your taxes if you're not going to keep helping Republicans get elected. For once in your life. For once in MY life.
 
2013-04-20 04:21:41 PM
Enemy combatant?  Of what?  Some nebulous thing called the Global war on terror.  He committed murder and, if convicted, will be punished accordingly.  he is a naturalized citizen so i guess they can strip him of his citizenship.  But then i guess he would go back to being a Russian citizen and would have to be accorded proper treatment as a foreign national.   He committed a crime and he can be dealt with by the courts.  No matter what Graham says we are not at war and the civilian courts can handle this crime.  We've heard quite a bit about the exception to Miranda but apparently the exception applies to a very stringent line of questioning and nothing seems to have been said about the accused self-invoking his Miranda rights.
 
2013-04-20 04:28:02 PM

runwiz: Enemy combatant?  Of what?  Some nebulous thing called the Global war on terror.  He committed murder and, if convicted, will be punished accordingly.  he is a naturalized citizen so i guess they can strip him of his citizenship.  But then i guess he would go back to being a Russian citizen and would have to be accorded proper treatment as a foreign national.   He committed a crime and he can be dealt with by the courts.  No matter what Graham says we are not at war and the civilian courts can handle this crime.  We've heard quite a bit about the exception to Miranda but apparently the exception applies to a very stringent line of questioning and nothing seems to have been said about the accused self-invoking his Miranda rights.


I'm surprised the War on Drugs hasn't been used to classify pot smokers as enemy combatants at this point.
 
2013-04-20 04:29:42 PM

Virulency: In some cases I imagine time is more important than getting a confession and the information is more valuable since they don't need his statements to convict him


I doubt that NOT reading him his rights is going to get us that information more quickly.
 
2013-04-20 04:30:12 PM

TV's Vinnie: What is it about republicans and their facial features that are........not quite human?

[angrywhitedude.com image 319x365][schydrogen.org image 275x364]

Decades from now, in a world where these criminals are finally removed form power, our grandchildren are going to look at holo-rods of these days and ask us "WTF WERE YOU THINKING, VOTING FOR THESE BASTARDS???!! I MEAN, JUST LOOK AT THEM! DIDN'T YOU GET ANY SORT OF CREEPY VIBES COMING OFF FROM THEM?"


Portraying your enemies as less than human is the first step to genocide. In this case, I'll allow it. Republicans may as well be Reptiloids at this point, they are so farking evil.
 
2013-04-20 04:32:10 PM

GoldSpider: Virulency: In some cases I imagine time is more important than getting a confession and the information is more valuable since they don't need his statements to convict him

I doubt that NOT reading him his rights is going to get us that information more quickly.


If he doesnt know he might not shutup
 
2013-04-20 04:33:36 PM
If we ignore our laws we justify the bombings.
 
2013-04-20 04:34:45 PM

Virulency: If he doesnt know he might not shutup


It's not a matter of whether or not he knows his rights.  I don't think he's going to be cooperative in any circumstances.
 
2013-04-20 04:34:47 PM

Primum: Reptiloids


They don't call it the "R-Complex" for nothing.
 
2013-04-20 04:35:49 PM

Delay: Speaking of names, I had a cute girl-friend named Lindsey. I assume Mr. Graham is a taker and as weird as a three dollar bill?



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Hopes that he is kept out of this conversation.
 
2013-04-20 04:36:04 PM

mrlewish: If we ignore our laws we justify the bombings.


I don't know about THAT, but it's certainly a small victory for anyone trying to take us down a peg.
 
2013-04-20 04:37:52 PM

GoldSpider: Virulency: If he doesnt know he might not shutup

It's not a matter of whether or not he knows his rights.  I don't think he's going to be cooperative in any circumstances.


Just get a big brotherly type in to talk to him and he'll give up all he knows.
 
2013-04-20 04:37:53 PM
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Does it apply to walking ventriloquist dummies wearing stolen skin, who are unable to sit for a photo without regressing into unbridled whimsy?
 
2013-04-20 04:40:06 PM

GoldSpider: Virulency: If he doesnt know he might not shutup

It's not a matter of whether or not he knows his rights.  I don't think he's going to be cooperative in any circumstances.


No one will know until he gets a chance to talk. For one he gave up rather than shooting himself
 
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