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2013-04-20 08:44:56 AM  
lindsey graham is a disgrace. he is an america-hating piece of garbage who should be kicked out of congress.
 
2013-04-20 09:12:31 AM  
The 48 hours thing? Sounds reasonable. After that, read him his rights, give him a lawyer and stand him before a judge and jury.

While we're at it, let's do that to everyone in GITMO.
 
2013-04-20 09:15:22 AM  

NewportBarGuy: The 48 hours thing? Sounds reasonable. After that, read him his rights, give him a lawyer and stand him before a judge and jury.

While we're at it, let's do that to everyone in GITMO.


i understand the miranda exemption. but he MUST be tried as any american citizen would be tried, with ALL the rights due to him under the constitution.

lindsay graham wants to turn this country into a police state. he is a real piece of shiat.
 
2013-04-20 09:16:55 AM  
Come on guys. We all know the only important part of the constitution is the 2nd amendment. We wont be 3rd world savages if we torture the guy. What's the worst we could become?
 
2013-04-20 09:21:24 AM  

FlashHarry: lindsay graham wants to turn this country into a police state. he is a real piece of shiat.


Yes he is. He's really the one who formed the opposition to closing GITMO. He's a man-child who wants to lock away all the baddies in a deep dark corner. He would have fit in well in a Mubarak style government.

Lady Justice is a pretty important part of our country and I wish that asshole would stop ignoring her and asking her to get him a beer and make him a sammich.
 
2013-04-20 09:32:03 AM  
He's just saying what every Republican senator is thinking.
 
2013-04-20 09:40:38 AM  

Sock Ruh Tease: He's just saying what every Republican senator is thinking.


why is it that those who purport to love america the most are the quickest to throw away the thing that makes it great?
 
2013-04-20 10:06:01 AM  
Graham and his ilk can do FAR more damage to America than any terrorist.
 
2013-04-20 10:32:36 AM  
In fairness, Lindsey Graham is a ginormous douche, and that is an important thing to consider when taking in any of his statements.
 
2013-04-20 11:37:38 AM  
Just say it, Lindsey...you want him to be tortured.
 
2013-04-20 11:46:00 AM  
Damn you inconvenient law!!!

We should be able to ignore the constituiton when we skeered.
 
2013-04-20 11:47:12 AM  
Graham also suggested that the Obama administration should use a drone to track any suspects in the case


I thought drones were bad
 
2013-04-20 11:56:23 AM  

hubiestubert: In fairness, Lindsey Graham is a ginormous douche, and that is an important thing to consider when taking in any of his statements.


He's gotta be true to who he is.
 
2013-04-20 12:02:13 PM  
"If the #Boston suspect has ties to overseas terror organizations he could be treasure trove of information."


The US had 700+ enemy combatants in custody at Gitmo alone, and it took ten years to find OBL. What possible information about international terrorist organizations could they hope to gain from a 19 year old who appears to have been only recently converted?

I'm sure they'll get plenty of good information like if there are any accomplices, where they got the guns and explosives, etc, but the ties to a larger organization (if any) most likely died with his brother.
 
2013-04-20 12:04:27 PM  
Drones strikes against american citizens is counter-productive. It's  hard to get intel from dead people.
 
2013-04-20 12:11:06 PM  

FlashHarry: lindsey graham is a disgrace. he is an america-hating piece of garbage who should be kicked out of congress.

 
2013-04-20 12:13:53 PM  
Don't you think he looks tired?
 
2013-04-20 12:18:47 PM  

kxs401: Graham and his ilk can do

have done FAR more damage to America than any terrorist.

FTFY
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-04-20 12:19:13 PM  
"It sure would be nice to have a drone up there."

Why?  What sort of special powers is a drone supposed to have?  What can it do that a helicopter can't?


I think he is just talking tough for the deliverance demographic.
 
2013-04-20 12:22:04 PM  
It seems like there was a time when Lindsey was somewhat reasonable. Or maybe I just wasn't paying close enough attention
 
2013-04-20 12:29:53 PM  

FlashHarry: Sock Ruh Tease: He's just saying what every Republican senator is thinking.

why is it that those who purport to love america the most are the quickest to throw away the thing that makes it great?


It's all about fear. It might not be a conscious fear, but it's in there, driving him to propose irrational actions - and it's  exactly what terrorists want us to do.
 
2013-04-20 12:53:39 PM  

NewportBarGuy: The 48 hours thing? Sounds reasonable. After that, read him his rights, give him a lawyer and stand him before a judge and jury.

While we're at it, let's do that to everyone in GITMO.



It's amusing how you care about those rights, but don't give a shiat about Second Amendment rights.
 
2013-04-20 12:59:44 PM  
What do you expect from a guy who advocates, and voted for, indefinite detention of American Citizens:

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/appearance/600840428

"1031, the statement of authority to detain, does apply to American citizens and it designates the world as the battlefield, including the homeland."
 
2013-04-20 01:01:35 PM  

The_Sponge: NewportBarGuy: The 48 hours thing? Sounds reasonable. After that, read him his rights, give him a lawyer and stand him before a judge and jury.

While we're at it, let's do that to everyone in GITMO.


It's amusing how you care about those rights, but don't give a shiat about Second Amendment rights.


You are just physically incapable of imagining people who don't give a shiat about guns. It's quite something.
 
2013-04-20 01:02:59 PM  

The_Sponge: t's amusing how you care about those rights, but don't give a shiat about Second Amendment rights.


Actually, I do. I just focus on the well-regulated part that you want to ignore.
 
2013-04-20 01:07:45 PM  
They should certainly use the public safety exception to question him without Miranda to find out about his co-conspirators.
 
2013-04-20 01:13:06 PM  

DamnYankees: The_Sponge: NewportBarGuy: The 48 hours thing? Sounds reasonable. After that, read him his rights, give him a lawyer and stand him before a judge and jury.

While we're at it, let's do that to everyone in GITMO.


It's amusing how you care about those rights, but don't give a shiat about Second Amendment rights.

You are just physically incapable of imagining people who don't give a shiat about guns. It's quite something.



Yeah....and you believe it's a more important right that a guy has the right to f*ck his sister.....so that's really something.
 
2013-04-20 01:14:21 PM  
Does every goddamn thread have to turn into a gun thread?
 
2013-04-20 01:14:41 PM  

NewportBarGuy: The_Sponge: t's amusing how you care about those rights, but don't give a shiat about Second Amendment rights.

Actually, I do. I just focus on the well-regulated part that you want to ignore.



1) Go back and see the definition of "well-regulated" at the time.

2) By all means, keep being a borderline hypocrite because you used to own an "assault weapon" as a civilian....talk about "I had mine, do f*ck you."
 
2013-04-20 01:15:29 PM  

usernameguy: Does every goddamn thread have to turn into a gun thread?



Because some people need to be called out for being inconsistent on their support of Constitutional rights.
 
2013-04-20 01:16:34 PM  

NewportBarGuy: The_Sponge: t's amusing how you care about those rights, but don't give a shiat about Second Amendment rights.

Actually, I do. I just focus on the well-regulated part that you want to ignore.



When liberals say: "We should make it easier to enforce the federal bans against criminals buying guns."
Conservatives hear: "We should make it easier to enforce the federal bans against criminals buying guns."
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-04-20 01:16:40 PM  

The_Sponge: NewportBarGuy: The_Sponge: t's amusing how you care about those rights, but don't give a shiat about Second Amendment rights.

Actually, I do. I just focus on the well-regulated part that you want to ignore.


1) Go back and see the definition of "well-regulated" at the time.


The imaginary one that gun nut believe in or the real one that means the same thing today?
 
2013-04-20 01:19:25 PM  

vpb: The_Sponge: NewportBarGuy: The_Sponge: t's amusing how you care about those rights, but don't give a shiat about Second Amendment rights.

Actually, I do. I just focus on the well-regulated part that you want to ignore.


1) Go back and see the definition of "well-regulated" at the time.

The imaginary one that gun nut believe in or the real one that means the same thing today?



Keep f*cking that chicken.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-04-20 01:21:06 PM  

The_Sponge: usernameguy: Does every goddamn thread have to turn into a gun thread?


Because some people need to be called out for being inconsistent on their support of Constitutional rights.


What about people who don't comprehend them?
 
2013-04-20 01:22:46 PM  

vpb: The_Sponge: usernameguy: Does every goddamn thread have to turn into a gun thread?


Because some people need to be called out for being inconsistent on their support of Constitutional rights.

What about people who don't comprehend them?



Like people who think that "well-regulated" means that it is okay to ban 30 round mags and "assault weapons"?
 
2013-04-20 01:25:54 PM  
Good thing my name isn't that funny then.
 
2013-04-20 01:28:36 PM  

SilentStrider: Good thing my name isn't that funny then.



What if my first name is normal, but my last name is funny?
 
2013-04-20 01:34:49 PM  

spongeboob: Graham also suggested that the Obama administration should use a drone to track any suspects in the case


I thought drones were bad


They are, but the Republicans are a little fluid on it.  Did Obama use them? Yes, they're bad.  Did Obama not use them? They're not so bad and actually help law enforcement.

While I understand people can say "in some cases, some things aren't so bad..." the Republicans sole criteria is whether or not Obama used them.  They get bonus excitement points if Obama uses a drone and something goes wrong. Then they are really, really super extra bad.
 
2013-04-20 01:37:22 PM  

The_Sponge: Like people who think that "well-regulated" means that it is okay to ban 30 round mags and "assault weapons"?


You mean people interpret things differently? My gawd, Gomer! Did you just figure this out?

Carry on. You're doing a great job.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-04-20 01:38:24 PM  
The_Sponge:
Keep f*cking that chicken.

Nice try hillbilly, but you should try to come up with something original.
 
2013-04-20 01:38:49 PM  

The_Sponge: It's amusing how you care about those rights, but don't give a shiat about Second Amendment rights.


Yes yes, we know. If someone doesn't agree with your particular modern idiosyncratic interpretation of the Second Amendment, they must not have any regard for rights and ron paul and yadda yadda yadda. But at least the Obama Administration is not interested in resurrecting this idea EC idea for American citizens or lawful residents, and isn't interested in droning all over the countryside. I think we can all be grateful for that.
 
2013-04-20 01:39:57 PM  

vpb: The_Sponge:
Keep f*cking that chicken.

Nice try hillbilly, but you should try to come up with something original.



Original like what?  Calling a gun owner a "hillbilly"?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-04-20 01:40:59 PM  
The_Sponge:

Like people who think that "well-regulated" means that it is okay to ban 30 round mags and "assault weapons"?

Or people who don't comprehend that that's exactly what it means?
 
2013-04-20 01:46:31 PM  

FlashHarry: Sock Ruh Tease: He's just saying what every Republican senator is thinking.

why is it that those who purport to love america the most are the quickest to throw away the thing that makes it great?


Why are we blaming this only on Republicans when it seems the Obama administration is leading the charge, both with this guy specifically and and in the past as far as attempts to widen the public safety exemption?

http://www.theverge.com/2013/4/19/4244802/boston-bombing-miranda-war ni ng-put-on-hold-public-safety-exception
 
2013-04-20 01:48:12 PM  
Sorry, but IIRC isn't this guy a naturalized citizen?  Yae cannae deu thet, keptin!
 
2013-04-20 01:51:03 PM  

HighlanderRPI: What do you expect from a guy who advocates, and voted for, indefinite detention of American Citizens:

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/appearance/600840428

"1031, the statement of authority to detain, does apply to American citizens and it designates the world as the battlefield, including the homeland."


IIRC, practically the whole damned Congress voted for it (at least when the amendment was brought up).  Senate was like 99-1, with only RAND PAUL voting against it.
 
2013-04-20 01:54:25 PM  

Ranger Rover: FlashHarry: Sock Ruh Tease: He's just saying what every Republican senator is thinking.

why is it that those who purport to love america the most are the quickest to throw away the thing that makes it great?

Why are we blaming this only on Republicans when it seems the Obama administration is leading the charge, both with this guy specifically and and in the past as far as attempts to widen the public safety exemption?

http://www.theverge.com/2013/4/19/4244802/boston-bombing-miranda-war ni ng-put-on-hold-public-safety-exception


You do realize that's totally different than declaring the guy an enemy combatant, right?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-04-20 01:56:22 PM  
The_Sponge:

Original like what?  Calling a gun owner a "hillbilly"?

No, like calling a lunatic fringe right wing extremist a hillbilly, although that is a bit unfair to non crazy Appalachian people.
 
2013-04-20 02:04:14 PM  

vpb: The_Sponge:

Original like what?  Calling a gun owner a "hillbilly"?

No, like calling a lunatic fringe right wing extremist a hillbilly, although that is a bit unfair to non crazy Appalachian people.



Blah blah......I'm on the lunatic fringe because I realize that bans on magazines and certain firearms are ineffective and unconstitutional.
 
2013-04-20 02:11:28 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: Ranger Rover: FlashHarry: Sock Ruh Tease: He's just saying what every Republican senator is thinking.

why is it that those who purport to love america the most are the quickest to throw away the thing that makes it great?

Why are we blaming this only on Republicans when it seems the Obama administration is leading the charge, both with this guy specifically and and in the past as far as attempts to widen the public safety exemption?

http://www.theverge.com/2013/4/19/4244802/boston-bombing-miranda-war ni ng-put-on-hold-public-safety-exception

You do realize that's totally different than declaring the guy an enemy combatant, right?


Yeah, that's a good point, I shouldn't be conflating the two. But I do think they at least go together, inasmuch as Graham has also expressed support for not Mirandizing him, and that enemy combatant status is a way around Mirandizing like the public safety expression. But, point conceded.

It seems like this has turned into a gun thread.
 
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