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(Den Of Geek)   The Doctor and Clara are going ghost hunting, and Bonnie Hammer finally thinks Doctor Who is a worthwhile show and is cursing herself for taking it off of Siffy's schedule. It's Doctor Who: 'Hide', 8 PM on BBC America   (denofgeek.com ) divider line
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2013-04-20 09:20:53 AM  
Is Clara an actual character yet or is she still just a macguffin?
 
2013-04-20 10:15:02 AM  
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2013-04-20 01:33:31 PM  

unlikely: Is Clara an actual character yet or is she still just a macguffin?


Not yet and not yet. She was a far better character in the Christmas special and the last season premiere, but so far she's been... well. Not much more than eye candy, really. She hasn't stood out in this season much at all except to look cute.

She hasn't been much of a macguffin so far this season. Looked like it was going to be that way in the premiere, but then she's settled back into just a plain old Companion. This is probably going to change, if the previews are anything to go by.

All in all, this season has been rather disappointing so far. The good news is that it probably can only go up.
 
2013-04-20 01:41:02 PM  

Nefarious: [i189.photobucket.com image 457x236]


Puppet show?

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2013-04-20 02:07:50 PM  

Uisce Beatha: Nefarious: [i189.photobucket.com image 457x236]

Puppet show?

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Never forget.  Bonnie Hammer cancelled it twice.
 
2013-04-20 02:11:24 PM  
www.yourprops.com

shrug, I don;t like Dr Who, but evidently it's about a time traveling Doc and a woman named Clara.
 
2013-04-20 02:47:54 PM  
A much better episode than the last two. Very spooky. And again with the "the Tardis doesn't like me" angle. Though the Tardis did seem to change her mind to save the Doctor, it could be she has reservations about who/what Clara is.
 
2013-04-20 03:21:46 PM  
Bonnie Hammer's dead to me.
 
2013-04-20 03:55:37 PM  

Flint Ironstag: A much better episode than the last two. Very spooky. And again with the "the Tardis doesn't like me" angle. Though the Tardis did seem to change her mind to save the Doctor, it could be she has reservations about who/what Clara is.


Hell I hope it's better. the submarine one looked like an expensive episode to make with all those sets and didn't deliver any real bang for its buck.
The rings of whatever episode looked like an expensive episode to make with all those sets and didn't deliver any real bang for its buck.
The Bells of St John was just sort of stupid, but fun. I liked the antigravity motorcycle bit.

Clara was much more fun in The Snowmen and Asylum. This new one is kinda ... uhhhhhh... well she's pretty.
I'm sure the whole thing is some sort of trap for the Doctor.

/I hope the final episode isn't some bullshiat. Every Moffat season has had this "something big will happen at the end of the season" and then the last episode is gibberish ("The Wedding of River Song") or doesn't make any sense whatsoever (how the Doctor gets out of the Pandorica to rescue himself is a paradox, and somehow blows up the universe except earth?). Even Jesus Doctor 10 was better than that.
 
2013-04-20 05:24:24 PM  
God I hate her more than ever now....11th most disgusting thing ever indeed........
 
2013-04-20 06:02:48 PM  
BEst episode in quite some time.
 
2013-04-20 07:25:40 PM  

MadSkillz: Flint Ironstag: A much better episode than the last two. Very spooky. And again with the "the Tardis doesn't like me" angle. Though the Tardis did seem to change her mind to save the Doctor, it could be she has reservations about who/what Clara is.

Hell I hope it's better. the submarine one looked like an expensive episode to make with all those sets and didn't deliver any real bang for its buck.
The rings of whatever episode looked like an expensive episode to make with all those sets and didn't deliver any real bang for its buck.
The Bells of St John was just sort of stupid, but fun. I liked the antigravity motorcycle bit.

Clara was much more fun in The Snowmen and Asylum. This new one is kinda ... uhhhhhh... well she's pretty.
I'm sure the whole thing is some sort of trap for the Doctor.

/I hope the final episode isn't some bullshiat. Every Moffat season has had this "something big will happen at the end of the season" and then the last episode is gibberish ("The Wedding of River Song") or doesn't make any sense whatsoever (how the Doctor gets out of the Pandorica to rescue himself is a paradox, and somehow blows up the universe except earth?). Even Jesus Doctor 10 was better than that.




Wedding of River Song was brilliant, I've seen no weakness there- His escape from Pandorica is easy to explain: Amy was the anchor of reality because she lived with the crack energy bleeding. The Doctor had to seal the rift from the other side- but implanted a memory of him in Amy. As long as there was a memory, it could be brought back. (Set up when Rory was "killed")

On an interesting note, when she was interviewed for the Nerdist Podcast, Coleman said the original plan was to have the Victorian version to travel with the doctor.

So far, I've been enjoying this season, just the doctor and the companion getting into trouble. Won't see latest one till later tonight when I tunes real eases it.
 
2013-04-20 07:34:05 PM  
This was a much better episode than they have been lately, and I usually loathe the haunted house episodes. Even so, this still felt like they wrote it for an old 4-part serial, then trimmed it back down to fit within its timeslot. As a result, ghost-girl's reveal falls flat in a kind of stupid way. And do they just leave her there?
 
2013-04-20 07:41:52 PM  
To me, it seemed like they realized the episode was running short and there was no bad guy, so hey, let's add a misunderstood monster!  Take out the monster and it would still have been a good story and there would have been more room for character development, especially for the lost time traveler.

Still, it was spooky, had great acting and great character moments. It's my favorite of the season, so far.

/whiskey is NOT disgusting!
 
2013-04-20 07:45:14 PM  

melewen: Take out the monster and it would still have been a good story and there would have been more room for character development, especially for the lost time traveler.


Storywise, the monster was weak. Visually, it was incredible, at least until the final close-up. Such wonderfully creepy movement. The monster could have added tension. Heck, rewrite it so that the monster was a sort of timeline antibody thing- not evil, just trying to keep the universe tidy, have the destruction of the pocket universe return it to its alterself in the real universe, cut the whole "love" bit, and voila- the episode is stronger.
 
2013-04-20 07:56:50 PM  

Nefarious: [i189.photobucket.com image 457x236]


What is that, some kind of animatronic catcher's mitt?
 
2013-04-20 07:57:20 PM  

t3knomanser: Heck, rewrite it so that the monster was a sort of timeline antibody thing- not evil, just trying to keep the universe tidy, have the destruction of the pocket universe return it to its alterself in the real universe, cut the whole "love" bit, and voila- the episode is stronger.


That would have been so much better.
 
2013-04-20 07:59:55 PM  

melewen: t3knomanser: Heck, rewrite it so that the monster was a sort of timeline antibody thing- not evil, just trying to keep the universe tidy, have the destruction of the pocket universe return it to its alterself in the real universe, cut the whole "love" bit, and voila- the episode is stronger.

That would have been so much better.


Oddly enough, it seems that most people really don't like the whole "Love conquers all" thing that's been running through the Moffat years.

/remember, kids, love for Stormageddon will magically reverse a mind and emotion wipe.
 
2013-04-20 08:02:53 PM  
I rather liked this episode.  The characters of Ex-Badass Researcher and Empath Girl were rather undeveloped (as evident to the fact that I watched it two hours ago and couldn't remember their names to save my life), which I thought was a bit of a shame.  The time was, however, not entirely wasted with the development of wibbly-wobbly technobabble (that I liked) and a little of "oh right, the tardis is actually alive AND intelligent, I forgot" (which I loved).  The episode confirmed my guess that the whole trip was the Doctor researching Clara, and the Tardis actually speaking directly to her (something that she's never even done with the Doctor, not intentionally) is certainly an interesting development.

I think that the next episode is going to be a highlight one, because I've been waiting years and years for more material inside of the Tardis.
 
2013-04-20 08:04:14 PM  

OniExpress: I rather liked this episode.  The characters of Ex-Badass Researcher and Empath Girl were rather undeveloped (as evident to the fact that I watched it two hours ago and couldn't remember their names to save my life), which I thought was a bit of a shame.  The time was, however, not entirely wasted with the development of wibbly-wobbly technobabble (that I liked) and a little of "oh right, the tardis is actually alive AND intelligent, I forgot" (which I loved).  The episode confirmed my guess that the whole trip was the Doctor researching Clara, and the Tardis actually speaking directly to her (something that she's never even done with the Doctor, not intentionally) is certainly an interesting development.

I think that the next episode is going to be a highlight one, because I've been waiting years and years for more material inside of the Tardis.


Eww yeah, all that icky  "love" stuff.  I hear they even have girls and kissing on the show now. Gross!
 
2013-04-20 08:06:16 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: it seems that most people really don't like the whole "Love conquers all" thing that's been running through the Moffat years.


It's such a tired cliche. And in this case, it was wedged into the monsters for no good reason. The romantic subplot in this episode was fine, and even felt somewhat believable. But slapping the same pattern on the monsters was just... ugh.
 
2013-04-20 08:07:29 PM  

Flint Ironstag: A much better episode than the last two. Very spooky. And again with the "the Tardis doesn't like me" angle. Though the Tardis did seem to change her mind to save the Doctor, it could be she has reservations about who/what Clara is.


Screenshot from "The Rings of Akenhaten

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1) It's a coincidence of camera angle and wardrobe and means nothing
2) SM is having a laugh
3) ??
 
2013-04-20 08:11:46 PM  

Snapper Carr: It's a coincidence of camera angle and wardrobe and means nothing


I used to have a sense that the details mattered in the Moffat era. Then I learned better.
 
2013-04-20 08:12:18 PM  

Snapper Carr: 2) SM is having a laugh


That one.
 
2013-04-20 08:15:44 PM  

t3knomanser: Snapper Carr: It's a coincidence of camera angle and wardrobe and means nothing

I used to have a sense that the details mattered in the Moffat era. Then I learned better.


People seem to be desperate for there to be some big, deeper meaning behind everything in the Moffat era.

What, "Movie Poster Ideas" aren't enough?
 
2013-04-20 08:22:47 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: t3knomanser: Snapper Carr: It's a coincidence of camera angle and wardrobe and means nothing

I used to have a sense that the details mattered in the Moffat era. Then I learned better.

People seem to be desperate for there to be some big, deeper meaning behind everything in the Moffat era.

What, "Movie Poster Ideas" aren't enough?


He does do plots where little details from previous episodes come into play, so when people catch on to that, they start guessing at the meaning of every detail that strikes them as suspicious to try and unravel the whole thing. Of course, most of them are red herrings Moffat throws in to amuse himself and drive the fans bananas, while he hides the real stuff in plain sight.
 
2013-04-20 08:35:07 PM  
Bonnie Hammer is evil and stupidity incarnate.
 
2013-04-20 08:58:59 PM  
Who the fark is Bonnie Hammer and what is Siffy and why should I give a rat's ass?
 
2013-04-20 09:04:59 PM  
Ah, the blue crystal from Metebelis III... the reason for the Doctor's regeneration from 3 to 4.
 
2013-04-20 09:06:04 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Who the fark is Bonnie Hammer and what is Siffy and why should I give a rat's ass?


Bonnie Hammer is the reason The SciFi Channel became SyFy and started showing Wrestling and really bad disaster movies.

Of course BBCA shows Dr. Who, ST:TNG, and Battlestar Galactica, so that's at least 3x as much SF as SyFy.
 
2013-04-20 09:09:22 PM  
Well, clearly the power of love is the overarching theme for this season.
 
2013-04-20 09:11:20 PM  

rynthetyn: Well, clearly the power of love is the overarching theme for this season.


I hear that the power of love is a curious thing
 
2013-04-20 09:20:09 PM  

Old enough to know better: Eww yeah, all that icky  "love" stuff.  I hear they even have girls and kissing on the show now. Gross!


Wrong quote there, Sparky.
 
2013-04-20 09:20:52 PM  

technomuse: Satanic_Hamster: Who the fark is Bonnie Hammer and what is Siffy and why should I give a rat's ass?

Bonnie Hammer is the reason The SciFi Channel became SyFy and started showing Wrestling and really bad disaster movies.

Of course BBCA shows Dr. Who, ST:TNG, and Battlestar Galactica, so that's at least 3x as much SF as SyFy.


However, it is much less BBC than they should be showing.
 
2013-04-20 09:23:55 PM  
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2013-04-20 09:27:08 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: technomuse: Satanic_Hamster: Who the fark is Bonnie Hammer and what is Siffy and why should I give a rat's ass?

Bonnie Hammer is the reason The SciFi Channel became SyFy and started showing Wrestling and really bad disaster movies.

Of course BBCA shows Dr. Who, ST:TNG, and Battlestar Galactica, so that's at least 3x as much SF as SyFy.

However, it is much less BBC than they should be showing.


BBC America have a problem. The BBC is not allowed to use any British licence fee money on overseas service, so BBCA has to be self financing. They can't even get BBC shows cheap. And lots of BBC stuff is not made by the BBC but by indie production companies who own the rights, and they can choose to sell to whoever will give them the best price. Great BBC shows like Sherlock, Life On Mars, Merlin, QI, HIGNFY are all made by indie production companies. The BBC doesn't own them.
 
2013-04-20 09:28:56 PM  
Speaking of Siffy: did anyone watch "Defiance"? The reviews were poor but I thought it was OK. I see potential there. And hopefully since they've got a videogame tied to it they might not be so quick to cancel it if the ratings aren't spectacular.
 
2013-04-20 09:30:35 PM  

clintster: [i107.photobucket.com image 600x676]


Earlier in the thread when serial_crusher beat you to it.
 
2013-04-20 09:35:32 PM  

Flint Ironstag: so BBCA has to be self financing


Speaking of BBCA, has anybody else been catching "Orphan Black"? It's been showing some promise.
 
2013-04-20 09:37:12 PM  

t3knomanser: Flint Ironstag: so BBCA has to be self financing

Speaking of BBCA, has anybody else been catching "Orphan Black"? It's been showing some promise.


Yes, there is potential there, I'm enjoying it so far.
 
2013-04-20 09:39:34 PM  

Nefarious: Yes, there is potential there, I'm enjoying it so far.


The lead actress does an amazing job. Her German accent was a little goofy, but I  never get the feeling that all of the clones are actually the same person. They all feel convincingly different. That's a pretty amazing feat.
 
2013-04-20 09:40:27 PM  

t3knomanser: Flint Ironstag: so BBCA has to be self financing

Speaking of BBCA, has anybody else been catching "Orphan Black"? It's been showing some promise.


Y'know, I just don't trust shows from BBC America yet, considering how they've traditionally treated Doctor Who.

Plus, it's BBC America. Whenever America sticks their nose into BBC shows, bad things happen.

graphics8.nytimes.com

sciencefiction.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L4dJ8n64HE
 
2013-04-20 09:42:23 PM  
Haven't seen the episode yet and I scrolled down this thread quick to avoid any spoilers, but this came to mind:

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2013-04-20 09:43:40 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: t3knomanser: Flint Ironstag: so BBCA has to be self financing

Speaking of BBCA, has anybody else been catching "Orphan Black"? It's been showing some promise.

Y'know, I just don't trust shows from BBC America yet, considering how they've traditionally treated Doctor Who.

Plus, it's BBC America. Whenever America sticks their nose into BBC shows, bad things happen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L4dJ8n64HE


Can we add Top Gear America to that list, too?
 
2013-04-20 09:46:38 PM  

technomuse: FirstNationalBastard: t3knomanser: Flint Ironstag: so BBCA has to be self financing

Speaking of BBCA, has anybody else been catching "Orphan Black"? It's been showing some promise.

Y'know, I just don't trust shows from BBC America yet, considering how they've traditionally treated Doctor Who.

Plus, it's BBC America. Whenever America sticks their nose into BBC shows, bad things happen.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L4dJ8n64HE

Can we add Top Gear America to that list, too?


Okay.

And let's not forget

0.tqn.com
 
2013-04-20 09:46:42 PM  

fusillade762: Speaking of Siffy: did anyone watch "Defiance"? The reviews were poor but I thought it was OK. I see potential there. And hopefully since they've got a videogame tied to it they might not be so quick to cancel it if the ratings aren't spectacular.


I thought the pilot was alright, but not great. Of course, for sci-fi shows, a not-great pilot is still pretty damn good. I'll certainly be watching the show for a bit to see where it goes.

I'm not sure about the video game tie-in. I guess we'll have to wait and see how closely the two end up connected in the long-term and how much someone who doesn't play the game ends up missing in terms of plot/mythology information.
 
2013-04-20 09:51:21 PM  

technomuse: Bonnie Hammer is the reason The SciFi Channel became SyFy and started showing Wrestling and really bad disaster movies.


AH, so someone who doesn't know anything about science fiction and actively hates it and tries to destroy it.
 
2013-04-20 09:53:21 PM  
I wanted to like this episode a lot more than I actually did. There was no real explanation of why the lost girl was trapped in the pocket universe, no explanation of who she was and no information about what was going to.happen to her after the rescue.

I'm not sure Clara is going to live up to the hype. I thought she was supposed to be feisty like Donna Noble. I'm not seeing it yet. But then again, I still think that Donna was the best of the NuWho companions.
 
2013-04-20 09:54:12 PM  
That episode was basically a Poltergeist rip-off.
 
2013-04-20 09:56:37 PM  

t3knomanser: Nefarious: Yes, there is potential there, I'm enjoying it so far.

The lead actress does an amazing job. Her German accent was a little goofy, but I  never get the feeling that all of the clones are actually the same person. They all feel convincingly different. That's a pretty amazing feat.


So far it's a better than average mystery, I'll be interested in seeing how it develops.

The show I really enjoyed was Channel 4's new show Utopia. I haven't really heard of people in the US getting into it but I think it has the potential to get a cult following.
 
2013-04-20 09:58:07 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: technomuse: Bonnie Hammer is the reason The SciFi Channel became SyFy and started showing Wrestling and really bad disaster movies.

AH, so someone who doesn't know anything about science fiction and actively hates it and tries to destroy it.


Bingo.

And to further explain the headline for you, one of Siffy's most popular shows (meaning it's aired approximately 15 hours a day) is Ghost Hunters. That's the kind of show Bonnie Hammer provides.
 
2013-04-20 09:59:24 PM  

t3knomanser: Nefarious: Yes, there is potential there, I'm enjoying it so far.

The lead actress does an amazing job. Her German accent was a little goofy, but I  never get the feeling that all of the clones are actually the same person. They all feel convincingly different. That's a pretty amazing feat.


Thirded. I'm enjoying their whole block (yes, I admit it, I like The Nerdist).
 
2013-04-20 09:59:54 PM  

rynthetyn: The show I really enjoyed was Channel 4's new show Utopia. I haven't really heard of people in the US getting into it but I think it has the potential to get a cult following.


I watched the first two episodes and will probably watch the rest at some point but I kept thinking that I'm not sure who could air in in the US.
 
2013-04-20 10:00:00 PM  

notyomama: I wanted to like this episode a lot more than I actually did. There was no real explanation of why the lost girl was trapped in the pocket universe, no explanation of who she was and no information about what was going to.happen to her after the rescue.

I'm not sure Clara is going to live up to the hype. I thought she was supposed to be feisty like Donna Noble. I'm not seeing it yet. But then again, I still think that Donna was the best of the NuWho companions.


Seconded. Her run was way too short.
 
2013-04-20 10:01:10 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: technomuse: FirstNationalBastard: t3knomanser: Flint Ironstag: so BBCA has to be self financing

Speaking of BBCA, has anybody else been catching "Orphan Black"? It's been showing some promise.

Y'know, I just don't trust shows from BBC America yet, considering how they've traditionally treated Doctor Who.

Plus, it's BBC America. Whenever America sticks their nose into BBC shows, bad things happen.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L4dJ8n64HE

Can we add Top Gear America to that list, too?

Okay.

And let's not forget

[0.tqn.com image 487x341]


Ugh. American Red Dwarf. Horrible pilot. Their version of Cat may have been more appealing to male viewers, but she wasn't funny and chewed the scenery like nobody's business. Their Rimmer was nowhere near the smeghead he should be. Their Lister was not terribly likable. Their Holly wasn't as snarky as it should be.

This was one that we can consider a win because it failed.

The newest RD episodes on Dave have been quite good.
 
2013-04-20 10:05:24 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: technomuse: Bonnie Hammer is the reason The SciFi Channel became SyFy and started showing Wrestling and really bad disaster movies.

AH, so someone who doesn't know anything about science fiction and actively hates it and tries to destroy it.


Pretty much that exactly.  She's stated multiple times that she hates the material.  Unfortunately she's maintained profits at the expense of fanbase and reputation, and unfortunately the people with the calculators are OK with that.
 
2013-04-20 10:05:27 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: t3knomanser: Flint Ironstag: so BBCA has to be self financing

Speaking of BBCA, has anybody else been catching "Orphan Black"? It's been showing some promise.

Y'know, I just don't trust shows from BBC America yet, considering how they've traditionally treated Doctor Who.

Plus, it's BBC America. Whenever America sticks their nose into BBC shows, bad things happen.

[sciencefiction.com image 570x300]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L4dJ8n64HE


While Torchwood: Miracle Day was nowhere near as good as Torchwood: Children of Earth, you have to admit Bill Pullman did one hell of a job as Oswald Danes. Insanely brilliant.
 
2013-04-20 10:06:26 PM  

ZeroCorpse: FirstNationalBastard: technomuse: FirstNationalBastard: t3knomanser: Flint Ironstag: so BBCA has to be self financing

Speaking of BBCA, has anybody else been catching "Orphan Black"? It's been showing some promise.

Y'know, I just don't trust shows from BBC America yet, considering how they've traditionally treated Doctor Who.

Plus, it's BBC America. Whenever America sticks their nose into BBC shows, bad things happen.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L4dJ8n64HE

Can we add Top Gear America to that list, too?

Okay.

And let's not forget

[0.tqn.com image 487x341]

Ugh. American Red Dwarf. Horrible pilot. Their version of Cat may have been more appealing to male viewers, but she wasn't funny and chewed the scenery like nobody's business. Their Rimmer was nowhere near the smeghead he should be. Their Lister was not terribly likable. Their Holly wasn't as snarky as it should be.

This was one that we can consider a win because it failed.

The newest RD episodes on Dave have been quite good.


It's just this odd thing that the only person to ever really get British TV and be able to successfully adapt it for US Audiences was Norman Lear.

If Lear wasn't involved, things usually went horribly wrong.

/of course, Lear adapted comedies, which are probably more malleable than stuff like Life on Mars or Red Dwarf. But, even comedies like Are You Being Served and Dad's Army didn't translate well for the US.
 
2013-04-20 10:17:17 PM  

MadSkillz: Even Jesus Doctor 10 was better than that.


Say whatever else you want, but no, that's pretty much factually wrong.
 
2013-04-20 10:18:19 PM  

technomuse: Satanic_Hamster: Who the fark is Bonnie Hammer and what is Siffy and why should I give a rat's ass?

Bonnie Hammer is the reason The SciFi Channel became SyFy and started showing Wrestling and really bad disaster movies.



Bonnie Hammer also pointed out that the core audience for science fiction shows is internet literate people who prefer to watch through bittorrent rather than when it's broadcast or buying the DVDs. People don't torrent wrestling or bad disaster movies as much as they do Stargate, Caprica, and Galactica.
 
2013-04-20 10:19:32 PM  

What in The: While Torchwood: Miracle Day was nowhere near as good as Torchwood: Children of Earth, you have to admit Bill Pullman did one hell of a job as Oswald Danes. Insanely brilliant


He played the character well, but the character felt completely superfluous for the e tire show. 

Nefarious: I watched the first two episodes and will probably watch the rest at some point but I kept thinking that I'm not sure who could air in in the US


It would have to be HBO/Showtime/Starz. I watched the whole series. It was okay. I don't feel like I wasted my time, but I'm fine with the fact that it ended up no longer than it was.
 
2013-04-20 10:20:57 PM  

fusillade762: Speaking of Siffy: did anyone watch "Defiance"? The reviews were poor but I thought it was OK. I see potential there. And hopefully since they've got a videogame tied to it they might not be so quick to cancel it if the ratings aren't spectacular.


Haven't watched it and I don't think I'll be able to.  I can usually suspend my disbelief, but every once in a while a show does something that's just impossible to ignore and in Defiance it's the break in the Arch.  A catenary arch works by compressing the legs against the center piece thereby passing the force down through the legs to the foundation.  If any piece is missing, the entire structure collapses in on itself instantly.

And yes, I know that's a silly thing to harp on.  At least I'm not biatching about the Amy Pond Show opening :)
 
2013-04-20 10:27:45 PM  
This time with the correct quote.

FirstNationalBastard: melewen: t3knomanser: Heck, rewrite it so that the monster was a sort of timeline antibody thing- not evil, just trying to keep the universe tidy, have the destruction of the pocket universe return it to its alterself in the real universe, cut the whole "love" bit, and voila- the episode is stronger.

That would have been so much better.

Oddly enough, it seems that most people really don't like the whole "Love conquers all" thing that's been running through the Moffat years.

/remember, kids, love for Stormageddon will magically reverse a mind and emotion wipe.



Eww yeah, all that icky  "love" stuff.  I hear they even have girls and kissing on the show now. Gross!
 
2013-04-20 10:30:12 PM  

Mentat: Haven't watched it and I don't think I'll be able to. I can usually suspend my disbelief, but every once in a while a show does something that's just impossible to ignore and in Defiance it's the break in the Arch. A catenary arch works by compressing the legs against the center piece thereby passing the force down through the legs to the foundation. If any piece is missing, the entire structure collapses in on itself instantly.


I had the same reaction. They had a biatch of a time putting the thing up for exactly that reason- if the structure was weakened significantly, much less broken entirely, it would collapse immediately. It's just so completely and obviously wrong, and it reveals that the people running the show have no attention to detail whatsoever, and that they're not even going to try making the sets, characters, or plots even remotely plausible.
 
2013-04-20 10:30:53 PM  

Nefarious: rynthetyn: The show I really enjoyed was Channel 4's new show Utopia. I haven't really heard of people in the US getting into it but I think it has the potential to get a cult following.

I watched the first two episodes and will probably watch the rest at some point but I kept thinking that I'm not sure who could air in in the US.


You've got to keep watching, it keeps getting better every week. There's no way that with the level of violence that it could air anywhere other than premium cable in the US though.
 
2013-04-20 10:34:52 PM  

rynthetyn: The show I really enjoyed was Channel 4's new show Utopia.


I heard about that from somebody named Jessica Hyde. I don't know if I should trust her.

rynthetyn: There's no way that with the level of violence that it could air anywhere other than premium cable in the US though.


Yeah, it will  never air in the US. Just not going to happen.
 
2013-04-20 10:37:10 PM  
 
2013-04-20 10:40:36 PM  

t3knomanser: rynthetyn: The show I really enjoyed was Channel 4's new show Utopia.

I heard about that from somebody named Jessica Hyde. I don't know if I should trust her.

rynthetyn: There's no way that with the level of violence that it could air anywhere other than premium cable in the US though.

Yeah, it will  never air in the US. Just not going to happen.


I don't know, I think a network like Starz could air it. After all, America is much less uptight about violence than sex.
 
2013-04-20 10:42:15 PM  

rynthetyn: After all, America is much less uptight about violence than sex.


It's got sex. But it's also got shootings in schools, which won't fly on US networks.
 
2013-04-20 10:44:17 PM  

technomuse: Can we add Top Gear America to that list, too?


The first couple of episodes sucked. They were trying too hard.
Now they've settled down and have found their own groove.

That said, you still can't beat the original.
 
2013-04-20 10:45:22 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: technomuse: FirstNationalBastard: t3knomanser: Flint Ironstag: so BBCA has to be self financing

Speaking of BBCA, has anybody else been catching "Orphan Black"? It's been showing some promise.

Y'know, I just don't trust shows from BBC America yet, considering how they've traditionally treated Doctor Who.

Plus, it's BBC America. Whenever America sticks their nose into BBC shows, bad things happen.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L4dJ8n64HE

Can we add Top Gear America to that list, too?

Okay.

And let's not forget

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Or  www.nbc.com

and, just for a bit of Moffat

www.afterellen.com
 
2013-04-20 10:47:14 PM  

sirbissel: FirstNationalBastard: technomuse: FirstNationalBastard: t3knomanser: Flint Ironstag: so BBCA has to be self financing

Speaking of BBCA, has anybody else been catching "Orphan Black"? It's been showing some promise.

Y'know, I just don't trust shows from BBC America yet, considering how they've traditionally treated Doctor Who.

Plus, it's BBC America. Whenever America sticks their nose into BBC shows, bad things happen.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L4dJ8n64HE

Can we add Top Gear America to that list, too?

Okay.

And let's not forget

[0.tqn.com image 487x341]

Or  [www.nbc.com image 671x237]

and, just for a bit of Moffat

[www.afterellen.com image 514x212]


I did forget about the US Office, which was a successful show. Although many people think that it should have only ran about half the amount of seasons it did.
 
2013-04-20 10:48:44 PM  

t3knomanser: rynthetyn: After all, America is much less uptight about violence than sex.

It's got sex. But it's also got shootings in schools, which won't fly on US networks.


Well yeah, there's that.
 
2013-04-20 10:50:51 PM  

sirbissel: Or


Wait... really? "The IT Crowd" starring Joel McHale? Uhhhh... wow, I'm so glad I don't live in a parallel universe where that abomination came to be.
 
2013-04-20 11:13:30 PM  
Any reason that the Doctor hasn't given this Clara a TARDIS key yet? He gave the Victorian version one almost immediately.
 
2013-04-20 11:13:58 PM  
I thought it was a solid episode. I liked the scene with the lifespan of the Earth, the monster was nicely creepy, and the Clara mystery is moving forward a bit. I'm betting that the Doctor trying to figure out how she wound up seemingly fractured in time is what causes it to happen.
 
2013-04-20 11:16:27 PM  

cptjeff: Mentat: Haven't watched it and I don't think I'll be able to. I can usually suspend my disbelief, but every once in a while a show does something that's just impossible to ignore and in Defiance it's the break in the Arch. A catenary arch works by compressing the legs against the center piece thereby passing the force down through the legs to the foundation. If any piece is missing, the entire structure collapses in on itself instantly.

I had the same reaction. They had a biatch of a time putting the thing up for exactly that reason- if the structure was weakened significantly, much less broken entirely, it would collapse immediately. It's just so completely and obviously wrong, and it reveals that the people running the show have no attention to detail whatsoever, and that they're not even going to try making the sets, characters, or plots even remotely plausible.


The first trailer for the new American Sherlock Holmes series had Sherlock discovering a hidden panic room because "the weight of a panic room can make the floor of the house slope by up to five degrees".  A 5 degree slope in your bedroom floor would be huge, like one side of the room being twelve inches lower than the other! No way anyone could possibly fail to notice that.
 
2013-04-20 11:19:38 PM  

clintster: [i107.photobucket.com image 600x676]


Funny thing is, if they'd kept the Clara Oswald from the victorian era, she'd have been dressed much like Doc Brown's Clara.
 
2013-04-20 11:27:39 PM  

Mentat: fusillade762: Speaking of Siffy: did anyone watch "Defiance"? The reviews were poor but I thought it was OK. I see potential there. And hopefully since they've got a videogame tied to it they might not be so quick to cancel it if the ratings aren't spectacular.

Haven't watched it and I don't think I'll be able to.  I can usually suspend my disbelief, but every once in a while a show does something that's just impossible to ignore and in Defiance it's the break in the Arch.  A catenary arch works by compressing the legs against the center piece thereby passing the force down through the legs to the foundation.  If any piece is missing, the entire structure collapses in on itself instantly.

And yes, I know that's a silly thing to harp on.  At least I'm not biatching about the Amy Pond Show opening :)


It looked to me like there was a scaffolding holding it together. And even if there wasn't it could be handwaved away by simply invoking some alien technology.
 
2013-04-20 11:31:53 PM  
I thought this was a much better episode than the previous ones. I also liked Clara's reaction to going to traveling through the entire history of Earth. It was a nice touch to that is normally forgotten when companions get used to traveling. She still isn't used to it so seeing the Earth from birth to death would be a bit creepy. I was a bit irked that she seemed ok with the Doctor saying she was the greatest mystery. Umm, wouldn't you want to hear some clarification on that? This was also right after the empath girl told her not to trust the Doctor. Seemed like it could have been developed a bit more.

Aside from that, a pretty solid story. Having the doctor encounter a counterpart was interesting. Another man who has seen war and done terrible things having to live with it all while trying to move on. Then comes across a mystery and gets with an assistant to solve it.
 
2013-04-20 11:34:22 PM  

ActionJoe: I thought this was a much better episode than the previous ones. I also liked Clara's reaction to going to traveling through the entire history of Earth. It was a nice touch to that is normally forgotten when companions get used to traveling. She still isn't used to it so seeing the Earth from birth to death would be a bit creepy. I was a bit irked that she seemed ok with the Doctor saying she was the greatest mystery. Umm, wouldn't you want to hear some clarification on that? This was also right after the empath girl told her not to trust the Doctor. Seemed like it could have been developed a bit more.


The way I interpreted that was that she thought that he was saying Humanity was the greatest mystery, instead of him literally saying SHE was the greatest mystery, and that's why she didn't question it.
 
2013-04-20 11:42:22 PM  
I also pointed out tonight that this show has turned into Scooby Doo.

The new girl is really pretty.  That's about it.
 
2013-04-20 11:45:18 PM  

thalassatx: I also pointed out tonight that this show has turned into Scooby Doo.

The new girl is really pretty.  That's about it.


www.robotmutant.com
 
2013-04-20 11:47:13 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: The way I interpreted that was that she thought that he was saying Humanity was the greatest mystery, instead of him literally saying SHE was the greatest mystery, and that's why she didn't question it.


The way I read the line was that he meant both. There's the Clara thing that's been bugging him recently but the Doctor has always had a special attachment to humanity - when he's not incredibly annoyed at it, he's fascinated by it and I'd like to think he's spent most of the last 1200 years trying to figure us and all of our contradictions out.
 
2013-04-21 12:06:00 AM  
www.freeimagehosting.net

www3.pictures.zimbio.com
i1.mirror.co.uk
 
2013-04-21 12:13:51 AM  
 Notes:

Is his "and I am afraid" line just another lie to settle everything?

Anyone else mistook her for Sophie Marceau?

They piled on the "10 returns!" anticipation too thick with the spacesuit

Now I have to finish episode 3 of Ghostlight to figure out which trumps which.
 
2013-04-21 01:15:27 AM  
www.nbc.com

WHAT THE fark IS  THIS shiat??????

 
2013-04-21 01:17:15 AM  

cretinbob: [www.nbc.com image 671x237]

WHAT THE fark IS  THIS shiat??????


The (thankfully) aborted American remake of "The IT Crowd"


/as much as I like Joel McHale on Community, he would have been a terrible Roy.
 
2013-04-21 01:35:21 AM  

cretinbob: [www.nbc.com image 671x237]

WHAT THE fark IS  THIS shiat??????


Is that Director Vance (NCIS) on the right?

Goes to IMDB.....Dayum.
 
2013-04-21 01:54:19 AM  
I didn't quite get the ending.  Why would the rescued girl want to meet with the scary monster she was terrified of?
 
2013-04-21 01:57:23 AM  

Wasn't Looking at his Neck: Notes:

Is his "and I am afraid" line just another lie to settle everything?

Anyone else mistook her for Sophie Marceau?

They piled on the "10 returns!" anticipation too thick with the spacesuit

Now I have to finish episode 3 of Ghostlight to figure out which trumps which.


I don't think so. The Doctor has the spacesuit so why not use it? They also made reference to when he had an umbrella holder next to the Tardis entrance. I would say there is almost no anticipation for any previous doctor to return. They usually throw in quirky references to past doctors all the time.
 
2013-04-21 02:20:16 AM  

ShawnDoc: I didn't quite get the ending.  Why would the rescued girl want to meet with the scary monster she was terrified of?


The monster's mate was also occupying the mansion. The doctor was going to take both monsters and put them on some obscure world, it had nothing to do with the rescued girl.
 
2013-04-21 02:22:30 AM  
As an aside, fark Bonnie Hammer.
 
2013-04-21 02:44:56 AM  

foo monkey: [www.freeimagehosting.net image 608x800]

[www3.pictures.zimbio.com image 395x594]
[i1.mirror.co.uk image 615x409]


That first one is a really bad 'shop.
 
2013-04-21 02:48:57 AM  

TheManofPA: Any reason that the Doctor hasn't given this Clara a TARDIS key yet? He gave the Victorian version one almost immediately.


Wondering that, too. Unless it was just an excuse to stage a scene where Clara calls her TARDIS/Clara self a cow.

And weren't they using the TARDIS to power the crown thingy for Emma? Wouldn't Clara flying it off to the pocket universe sorta put a kink in that?

All in all a solid episode, though.
 
2013-04-21 03:09:16 AM  
He's not supposed to cross his own time stream (returning to something he'd already been a part of), yet here he is (again) clearly violating the rules.

Wibbly wobbly, indeed.
 
2013-04-21 03:13:17 AM  

cptjeff: ShawnDoc: I didn't quite get the ending.  Why would the rescued girl want to meet with the scary monster she was terrified of?

The monster's mate was also occupying the mansion. The doctor was going to take both monsters and put them on some obscure world, it had nothing to do with the rescued girl.


Oh thanks, I'd missed that.  But now I remember that was who was holding Clara's hand in the first half.  I just assumed it was the same monster.
 
2013-04-21 07:26:29 AM  
FirstNationalBastard:

[0.tqn.com image 487x341]


Ok... that guy's got a H on his forehead...

What is this some college cosplay of Red Dwarf??  Rimmer looks way to competent and is that supposed to be Kerchanski or Cat?

Ohh jesus it's the American pilot isn't it!
 
2013-04-21 07:31:01 AM  

narkor: technomuse: Satanic_Hamster: Who the fark is Bonnie Hammer and what is Siffy and why should I give a rat's ass?

Bonnie Hammer is the reason The SciFi Channel became SyFy and started showing Wrestling and really bad disaster movies.


Bonnie Hammer also pointed out that the core audience for science fiction shows is internet literate people who prefer to watch through bittorrent rather than when it's broadcast or buying the DVDs. People don't torrent wrestling or bad disaster movies as much as they do Stargate, Caprica, and Galactica.


People who torrent have good taste perhaps?  The last WWF thing I watched was when I was erm... 13?  It was a kids light entertainment show.  Why on Earth would an adult watch that?

/Not saying it isn't physically demanding work on them, even if it is fake.
//But it's still teenTV.
 
2013-04-21 08:23:04 AM  

notyomama: I wanted to like this episode a lot more than I actually did. There was no real explanation of why the lost girl was trapped in the pocket universe, no explanation of who she was and no information about what was going to.happen to her after the rescue.

I'm not sure Clara is going to live up to the hype. I thought she was supposed to be feisty like Donna Noble. I'm not seeing it yet. But then again, I still think that Donna was the best of the NuWho companions.


Given that the Doctor recognized her immediately and there is now (historically) no place/time for her, I wonder if she might be added as a companion, and hence more of her story can be added as we go along.

/maybe the next week preview thing ruled it out somehow, but I always avoid watching those
 
2013-04-21 09:00:21 AM  

Nefarious: [i189.photobucket.com image 457x236]


This is why chicks should not run networks.
 
2013-04-21 09:04:15 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: It's just this odd thing that the only person to ever really get British TV and be able to successfully adapt it for US Audiences was Norman Lear.


I will submit that "Cybil" was an American adaption of "Absolutely Fabulous" that worked nicely, except no one properly accounted for Cybil Shepherd's gargantuan ego.
 
2013-04-21 09:06:19 AM  

xria: Given that the Doctor recognized her immediately and there is now (historically) no place/time for her, I wonder if she might be added as a companion, and hence more of her story can be added as we go along.

/maybe the next week preview thing ruled it out somehow, but I always avoid watching those


While she wasn't explicitly mentioned (or seen that I saw) in the "next time" preview, that doesn't mean she won't tag along for an episode or two; similar to Captain Jack, or that young kid who had a thing for Rose and then tried to take future knowledge back to his own time before the Doctor got pissed and tossed him out.

Most likely however, we wont see her again, and be left to assume that she was taken care of between episodes.
 
2013-04-21 09:17:32 AM  

serial_crusher: [www.yourprops.com image 600x337]

shrug, I don;t like Dr Who, but evidently it's about a time traveling Doc and a woman named Clara.


If someone could pull a dual cosplay out of that it would be fantastic.
 
2013-04-21 09:53:17 AM  

Wasn't Looking at his Neck:  Notes:

Is his "and I am afraid" line just another lie to settle everything?

Anyone else mistook her for Sophie Marceau?

They piled on the "10 returns!" anticipation too thick with the spacesuit

Now I have to finish episode 3 of Ghostlight to figure out which trumps which.


Not Sophie Marceau, but Gina Bellman (Coupling, Leverage).

I was wracking my brain to figure out who I thought she was.
 
2013-04-21 10:42:21 AM  

Wasn't Looking at his Neck: They piled on the "10 returns!" anticipation too thick with the spacesuit


This isn't even the first time 11 has used the space suit, is it? I could have sworn they've popped it out more recently than that.
 
2013-04-21 01:04:28 PM  

theorellior: FirstNationalBastard: It's just this odd thing that the only person to ever really get British TV and be able to successfully adapt it for US Audiences was Norman Lear.

I will submit that "Cybil" was an American adaption of "Absolutely Fabulous" that worked nicely, except no one properly accounted for Cybil Shepherd's gargantuan ego.


Your ideas are intriguing and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

I watched Cybil when I was a kid and loved it, haven't thought about it in years.
 
2013-04-21 02:50:58 PM  
Well it was better then the last one, the submarine one just didn't feel like they were at the bottom of the ocean or in danger at all.
 
2013-04-21 03:42:42 PM  

SundaesChild: That episode was basically a Poltergeist rip-off.


Um. No.
 
2013-04-21 03:55:35 PM  

Shan: xria: Given that the Doctor recognized her immediately and there is now (historically) no place/time for her, I wonder if she might be added as a companion, and hence more of her story can be added as we go along.

/maybe the next week preview thing ruled it out somehow, but I always avoid watching those

While she wasn't explicitly mentioned (or seen that I saw) in the "next time" preview, that doesn't mean she won't tag along for an episode or two; similar to Captain Jack, or that young kid who had a thing for Rose and then tried to take future knowledge back to his own time before the Doctor got pissed and tossed him out.

Most likely however, we wont see her again, and be left to assume that she was taken care of between episodes.


I thought she was going to stay in the 70s with her great-great-great-great-great-great grandparents.
 
2013-04-21 04:32:01 PM  

OniExpress: e Tardis actually speaking directly to her (something that she's never even done with the Doctor, not intentionally)


Sure she's done that with the Doctor.  Both when she occupied Idris' body in "The Doctor's Wife", and again in "Let's Kill Hitler".
 
2013-04-21 04:38:58 PM  
Bonnie Hammer is among history's greatest monsters.

Also, I liked last night's episode, despite the stupid wub is ebwyfing thread running through it. It was genuinely creepy and well-done, and Clara's development as clearly NOT the same blase "okay, I'm a time-traveling big dick now, check me out" Rose, Donna, and Amy became that I feared from her initial impressions. She really is, or at least acts like a normal, everyday girl, and part of that (or being a normal everyday person) is a vulnerability to seriously weird, life-threatening stuff making her nuts. Realizing you just saw the life of Earth pass by would freak out anyone normal. Facing an alien and seeing people die would freak out anyone normal. I kind of really like that she jumped in with the same carefree attitude that previous companions got but she's very reasonably getting weirded the fark out beyond the previous ones. I hope it actually becomes a character thread and isn't just a hiccup from this ep and last.
 
2013-04-21 04:47:56 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Plus, it's BBC America. Whenever America sticks their nose into BBC shows, bad things happen.


That wasn't always the case - but you have to go back nearly 40 years.  Three of the biggest American sitcoms of the 1970s were remakes of BBC shows
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as were that programme's less popular two spin-offs:
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2013-04-21 04:50:15 PM  

HopScotchNSoda: OniExpress: e Tardis actually speaking directly to her (something that she's never even done with the Doctor, not intentionally)

Sure she's done that with the Doctor.  Both when she occupied Idris' body in "The Doctor's Wife", and again in "Let's Kill Hitler".


Well, I was specifically referring to The Doctor's Wife, as in that case she had been forcibly plunked into a body and there wasn't much of a way around it.  Let's Kill Hitler doesn't count, because that was basically just a pre-recorded message; it was the equivalent of your phone giving a low battery message.

This is, to my knowledge, the first time the Tardis-as-a-Tardis has actually had a conversation with someone.
 
2013-04-21 04:57:06 PM  

OniExpress: This is, to my knowledge, the first time the Tardis-as-a-Tardis has actually had a conversation with someone.


It's non-canonical but there have been a couple of novels and BFA's that deal with sentient TARDISes that have communicated with the Doctor.

/my friend's pet theory about Clara is that she's somehow related to one of these sentient TARDISes which would account for her appearing in multiple points in time.
 
2013-04-21 04:59:53 PM  

OniExpress: HopScotchNSoda: OniExpress: e Tardis actually speaking directly to her (something that she's never even done with the Doctor, not intentionally)

Sure she's done that with the Doctor.  Both when she occupied Idris' body in "The Doctor's Wife", and again in "Let's Kill Hitler".

Well, I was specifically referring to The Doctor's Wife, as in that case she had been forcibly plunked into a body and there wasn't much of a way around it.  Let's Kill Hitler doesn't count, because that was basically just a pre-recorded message; it was the equivalent of your phone giving a low battery message.

This is, to my knowledge, the first time the Tardis-as-a-Tardis has actually had a conversation with someone.



Perhaps, although such a conversation was implied (off camera) in "Let's Kill Hitler" between the TARDIS and Mels/River, and it was implied that was "the best" from whom she learned to fly the TARDIS (and to not leave the parking brake engaged) that she had previously mentioned in "Flesh & Stone".

The TARDIS and the Doctor were both similarly hinky about Jack after he gained immortality.  The TARDIS didn't want him aboard, and the Doctor tried to avoid him (even trying to dash away before Jack could grab on at the end of "End of Days" / the beginning of "Utopia".)
 
2013-04-21 05:06:18 PM  
Question: what was the bell that the TARDIS sounded when the Doctor went into the pocket universe?  Was that the cloister bell?
 
2013-04-21 05:08:40 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: Question: what was the bell that the TARDIS sounded when the Doctor went into the pocket universe?  Was that the cloister bell?


Yes.  It means that all of space-time is in danger of collapse.
 
2013-04-21 05:11:34 PM  
I liked the joke about the change in terminology.  The Doctor introduced Clara to the professor's "companion". She corrected him with "assistant", and he remarked something like, "Ah, right, it's 1974; 'assistant'."  Sarah Jane and Rose had the opposite conversation during their pissing contest in "School Reunion".
 
2013-04-21 05:15:21 PM  
There was a bit of a discontinuity issue (not that continuity has ever been sacrosanct in DW) when the final stop along the photo tour was 100 billion years into the future, since that was long after the setting of "End of the World".
 
2013-04-21 07:13:24 PM  
"I'm the Doctor"

"Doctor what?"

"If you like."
 
2013-04-21 07:16:47 PM  

HopScotchNSoda: There was a bit of a discontinuity issue (not that continuity has ever been sacrosanct in DW) when the final stop along the photo tour was 100 billion years into the future, since that was long after the setting of "End of the World".


Enh, for big scifi (and the Doctor) I always attribute those errors to there not being any absolute time measure.  When the Doctor mentions years and billions or years, when does he mean?  And for what planet?  Orbits are always slowly changing in size, getting bigger or smaller.  So the length of years changes as a function of time.

So when he says 'X billion years', the way I handle it is that he's using a different temporal frame of reference by accident without thinking and as such the years do not line up neatly like we would think from our exceedingly small and fixed perspective
 
2013-04-21 07:46:02 PM  

t3knomanser: sirbissel: Or

Wait... really? "The IT Crowd" starring Joel McHale? Uhhhh... wow, I'm so glad I don't live in a parallel universe where that abomination came to be.


NBC shot a pilot that they didn't pick up.  It's out there in the vapors of the internet if you look.  But be forewarned: It's a shot-for-shot remake of the first episode of the original series.  It's fine if you've never seen the UK episode and really creepy if you have.
 
2013-04-21 09:43:23 PM  

fusillade762: foo monkey: [www.freeimagehosting.net image 608x800]

[www3.pictures.zimbio.com image 395x594]
[i1.mirror.co.uk image 615x409]

That first one is a really bad 'shop.


Yeah, but I'm going to post it until my penis falls off.
 
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