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(Den Of Geek)   The Doctor and Clara are going ghost hunting, and Bonnie Hammer finally thinks Doctor Who is a worthwhile show and is cursing herself for taking it off of Siffy's schedule. It's Doctor Who: 'Hide', 8 PM on BBC America   (denofgeek.com) divider line 124
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2013-04-20 09:58:07 PM

Satanic_Hamster: technomuse: Bonnie Hammer is the reason The SciFi Channel became SyFy and started showing Wrestling and really bad disaster movies.

AH, so someone who doesn't know anything about science fiction and actively hates it and tries to destroy it.


Bingo.

And to further explain the headline for you, one of Siffy's most popular shows (meaning it's aired approximately 15 hours a day) is Ghost Hunters. That's the kind of show Bonnie Hammer provides.
 
2013-04-20 09:59:24 PM

t3knomanser: Nefarious: Yes, there is potential there, I'm enjoying it so far.

The lead actress does an amazing job. Her German accent was a little goofy, but I  never get the feeling that all of the clones are actually the same person. They all feel convincingly different. That's a pretty amazing feat.


Thirded. I'm enjoying their whole block (yes, I admit it, I like The Nerdist).
 
2013-04-20 09:59:54 PM

rynthetyn: The show I really enjoyed was Channel 4's new show Utopia. I haven't really heard of people in the US getting into it but I think it has the potential to get a cult following.


I watched the first two episodes and will probably watch the rest at some point but I kept thinking that I'm not sure who could air in in the US.
 
2013-04-20 10:00:00 PM

notyomama: I wanted to like this episode a lot more than I actually did. There was no real explanation of why the lost girl was trapped in the pocket universe, no explanation of who she was and no information about what was going to.happen to her after the rescue.

I'm not sure Clara is going to live up to the hype. I thought she was supposed to be feisty like Donna Noble. I'm not seeing it yet. But then again, I still think that Donna was the best of the NuWho companions.


Seconded. Her run was way too short.
 
2013-04-20 10:01:10 PM

FirstNationalBastard: technomuse: FirstNationalBastard: t3knomanser: Flint Ironstag: so BBCA has to be self financing

Speaking of BBCA, has anybody else been catching "Orphan Black"? It's been showing some promise.

Y'know, I just don't trust shows from BBC America yet, considering how they've traditionally treated Doctor Who.

Plus, it's BBC America. Whenever America sticks their nose into BBC shows, bad things happen.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L4dJ8n64HE

Can we add Top Gear America to that list, too?

Okay.

And let's not forget

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Ugh. American Red Dwarf. Horrible pilot. Their version of Cat may have been more appealing to male viewers, but she wasn't funny and chewed the scenery like nobody's business. Their Rimmer was nowhere near the smeghead he should be. Their Lister was not terribly likable. Their Holly wasn't as snarky as it should be.

This was one that we can consider a win because it failed.

The newest RD episodes on Dave have been quite good.
 
2013-04-20 10:05:24 PM

Satanic_Hamster: technomuse: Bonnie Hammer is the reason The SciFi Channel became SyFy and started showing Wrestling and really bad disaster movies.

AH, so someone who doesn't know anything about science fiction and actively hates it and tries to destroy it.


Pretty much that exactly.  She's stated multiple times that she hates the material.  Unfortunately she's maintained profits at the expense of fanbase and reputation, and unfortunately the people with the calculators are OK with that.
 
2013-04-20 10:05:27 PM

FirstNationalBastard: t3knomanser: Flint Ironstag: so BBCA has to be self financing

Speaking of BBCA, has anybody else been catching "Orphan Black"? It's been showing some promise.

Y'know, I just don't trust shows from BBC America yet, considering how they've traditionally treated Doctor Who.

Plus, it's BBC America. Whenever America sticks their nose into BBC shows, bad things happen.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L4dJ8n64HE


While Torchwood: Miracle Day was nowhere near as good as Torchwood: Children of Earth, you have to admit Bill Pullman did one hell of a job as Oswald Danes. Insanely brilliant.
 
2013-04-20 10:06:26 PM

ZeroCorpse: FirstNationalBastard: technomuse: FirstNationalBastard: t3knomanser: Flint Ironstag: so BBCA has to be self financing

Speaking of BBCA, has anybody else been catching "Orphan Black"? It's been showing some promise.

Y'know, I just don't trust shows from BBC America yet, considering how they've traditionally treated Doctor Who.

Plus, it's BBC America. Whenever America sticks their nose into BBC shows, bad things happen.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L4dJ8n64HE

Can we add Top Gear America to that list, too?

Okay.

And let's not forget

[0.tqn.com image 487x341]

Ugh. American Red Dwarf. Horrible pilot. Their version of Cat may have been more appealing to male viewers, but she wasn't funny and chewed the scenery like nobody's business. Their Rimmer was nowhere near the smeghead he should be. Their Lister was not terribly likable. Their Holly wasn't as snarky as it should be.

This was one that we can consider a win because it failed.

The newest RD episodes on Dave have been quite good.


It's just this odd thing that the only person to ever really get British TV and be able to successfully adapt it for US Audiences was Norman Lear.

If Lear wasn't involved, things usually went horribly wrong.

/of course, Lear adapted comedies, which are probably more malleable than stuff like Life on Mars or Red Dwarf. But, even comedies like Are You Being Served and Dad's Army didn't translate well for the US.
 
2013-04-20 10:17:17 PM

MadSkillz: Even Jesus Doctor 10 was better than that.


Say whatever else you want, but no, that's pretty much factually wrong.
 
2013-04-20 10:18:19 PM

technomuse: Satanic_Hamster: Who the fark is Bonnie Hammer and what is Siffy and why should I give a rat's ass?

Bonnie Hammer is the reason The SciFi Channel became SyFy and started showing Wrestling and really bad disaster movies.



Bonnie Hammer also pointed out that the core audience for science fiction shows is internet literate people who prefer to watch through bittorrent rather than when it's broadcast or buying the DVDs. People don't torrent wrestling or bad disaster movies as much as they do Stargate, Caprica, and Galactica.
 
2013-04-20 10:19:32 PM

What in The: While Torchwood: Miracle Day was nowhere near as good as Torchwood: Children of Earth, you have to admit Bill Pullman did one hell of a job as Oswald Danes. Insanely brilliant


He played the character well, but the character felt completely superfluous for the e tire show. 

Nefarious: I watched the first two episodes and will probably watch the rest at some point but I kept thinking that I'm not sure who could air in in the US


It would have to be HBO/Showtime/Starz. I watched the whole series. It was okay. I don't feel like I wasted my time, but I'm fine with the fact that it ended up no longer than it was.
 
2013-04-20 10:20:57 PM

fusillade762: Speaking of Siffy: did anyone watch "Defiance"? The reviews were poor but I thought it was OK. I see potential there. And hopefully since they've got a videogame tied to it they might not be so quick to cancel it if the ratings aren't spectacular.


Haven't watched it and I don't think I'll be able to.  I can usually suspend my disbelief, but every once in a while a show does something that's just impossible to ignore and in Defiance it's the break in the Arch.  A catenary arch works by compressing the legs against the center piece thereby passing the force down through the legs to the foundation.  If any piece is missing, the entire structure collapses in on itself instantly.

And yes, I know that's a silly thing to harp on.  At least I'm not biatching about the Amy Pond Show opening :)
 
2013-04-20 10:27:45 PM
This time with the correct quote.

FirstNationalBastard: melewen: t3knomanser: Heck, rewrite it so that the monster was a sort of timeline antibody thing- not evil, just trying to keep the universe tidy, have the destruction of the pocket universe return it to its alterself in the real universe, cut the whole "love" bit, and voila- the episode is stronger.

That would have been so much better.

Oddly enough, it seems that most people really don't like the whole "Love conquers all" thing that's been running through the Moffat years.

/remember, kids, love for Stormageddon will magically reverse a mind and emotion wipe.



Eww yeah, all that icky  "love" stuff.  I hear they even have girls and kissing on the show now. Gross!
 
2013-04-20 10:30:12 PM

Mentat: Haven't watched it and I don't think I'll be able to. I can usually suspend my disbelief, but every once in a while a show does something that's just impossible to ignore and in Defiance it's the break in the Arch. A catenary arch works by compressing the legs against the center piece thereby passing the force down through the legs to the foundation. If any piece is missing, the entire structure collapses in on itself instantly.


I had the same reaction. They had a biatch of a time putting the thing up for exactly that reason- if the structure was weakened significantly, much less broken entirely, it would collapse immediately. It's just so completely and obviously wrong, and it reveals that the people running the show have no attention to detail whatsoever, and that they're not even going to try making the sets, characters, or plots even remotely plausible.
 
2013-04-20 10:30:53 PM

Nefarious: rynthetyn: The show I really enjoyed was Channel 4's new show Utopia. I haven't really heard of people in the US getting into it but I think it has the potential to get a cult following.

I watched the first two episodes and will probably watch the rest at some point but I kept thinking that I'm not sure who could air in in the US.


You've got to keep watching, it keeps getting better every week. There's no way that with the level of violence that it could air anywhere other than premium cable in the US though.
 
2013-04-20 10:34:52 PM

rynthetyn: The show I really enjoyed was Channel 4's new show Utopia.


I heard about that from somebody named Jessica Hyde. I don't know if I should trust her.

rynthetyn: There's no way that with the level of violence that it could air anywhere other than premium cable in the US though.


Yeah, it will  never air in the US. Just not going to happen.
 
2013-04-20 10:37:10 PM
 
2013-04-20 10:40:36 PM

t3knomanser: rynthetyn: The show I really enjoyed was Channel 4's new show Utopia.

I heard about that from somebody named Jessica Hyde. I don't know if I should trust her.

rynthetyn: There's no way that with the level of violence that it could air anywhere other than premium cable in the US though.

Yeah, it will  never air in the US. Just not going to happen.


I don't know, I think a network like Starz could air it. After all, America is much less uptight about violence than sex.
 
2013-04-20 10:42:15 PM

rynthetyn: After all, America is much less uptight about violence than sex.


It's got sex. But it's also got shootings in schools, which won't fly on US networks.
 
2013-04-20 10:44:17 PM

technomuse: Can we add Top Gear America to that list, too?


The first couple of episodes sucked. They were trying too hard.
Now they've settled down and have found their own groove.

That said, you still can't beat the original.
 
2013-04-20 10:45:22 PM

FirstNationalBastard: technomuse: FirstNationalBastard: t3knomanser: Flint Ironstag: so BBCA has to be self financing

Speaking of BBCA, has anybody else been catching "Orphan Black"? It's been showing some promise.

Y'know, I just don't trust shows from BBC America yet, considering how they've traditionally treated Doctor Who.

Plus, it's BBC America. Whenever America sticks their nose into BBC shows, bad things happen.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L4dJ8n64HE

Can we add Top Gear America to that list, too?

Okay.

And let's not forget

[0.tqn.com image 487x341]


Or  www.nbc.com

and, just for a bit of Moffat

www.afterellen.com
 
2013-04-20 10:47:14 PM

sirbissel: FirstNationalBastard: technomuse: FirstNationalBastard: t3knomanser: Flint Ironstag: so BBCA has to be self financing

Speaking of BBCA, has anybody else been catching "Orphan Black"? It's been showing some promise.

Y'know, I just don't trust shows from BBC America yet, considering how they've traditionally treated Doctor Who.

Plus, it's BBC America. Whenever America sticks their nose into BBC shows, bad things happen.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L4dJ8n64HE

Can we add Top Gear America to that list, too?

Okay.

And let's not forget

[0.tqn.com image 487x341]

Or  [www.nbc.com image 671x237]

and, just for a bit of Moffat

[www.afterellen.com image 514x212]


I did forget about the US Office, which was a successful show. Although many people think that it should have only ran about half the amount of seasons it did.
 
2013-04-20 10:48:44 PM

t3knomanser: rynthetyn: After all, America is much less uptight about violence than sex.

It's got sex. But it's also got shootings in schools, which won't fly on US networks.


Well yeah, there's that.
 
2013-04-20 10:50:51 PM

sirbissel: Or


Wait... really? "The IT Crowd" starring Joel McHale? Uhhhh... wow, I'm so glad I don't live in a parallel universe where that abomination came to be.
 
2013-04-20 11:13:30 PM
Any reason that the Doctor hasn't given this Clara a TARDIS key yet? He gave the Victorian version one almost immediately.
 
2013-04-20 11:13:58 PM
I thought it was a solid episode. I liked the scene with the lifespan of the Earth, the monster was nicely creepy, and the Clara mystery is moving forward a bit. I'm betting that the Doctor trying to figure out how she wound up seemingly fractured in time is what causes it to happen.
 
2013-04-20 11:16:27 PM

cptjeff: Mentat: Haven't watched it and I don't think I'll be able to. I can usually suspend my disbelief, but every once in a while a show does something that's just impossible to ignore and in Defiance it's the break in the Arch. A catenary arch works by compressing the legs against the center piece thereby passing the force down through the legs to the foundation. If any piece is missing, the entire structure collapses in on itself instantly.

I had the same reaction. They had a biatch of a time putting the thing up for exactly that reason- if the structure was weakened significantly, much less broken entirely, it would collapse immediately. It's just so completely and obviously wrong, and it reveals that the people running the show have no attention to detail whatsoever, and that they're not even going to try making the sets, characters, or plots even remotely plausible.


The first trailer for the new American Sherlock Holmes series had Sherlock discovering a hidden panic room because "the weight of a panic room can make the floor of the house slope by up to five degrees".  A 5 degree slope in your bedroom floor would be huge, like one side of the room being twelve inches lower than the other! No way anyone could possibly fail to notice that.
 
2013-04-20 11:19:38 PM

clintster: [i107.photobucket.com image 600x676]


Funny thing is, if they'd kept the Clara Oswald from the victorian era, she'd have been dressed much like Doc Brown's Clara.
 
2013-04-20 11:27:39 PM

Mentat: fusillade762: Speaking of Siffy: did anyone watch "Defiance"? The reviews were poor but I thought it was OK. I see potential there. And hopefully since they've got a videogame tied to it they might not be so quick to cancel it if the ratings aren't spectacular.

Haven't watched it and I don't think I'll be able to.  I can usually suspend my disbelief, but every once in a while a show does something that's just impossible to ignore and in Defiance it's the break in the Arch.  A catenary arch works by compressing the legs against the center piece thereby passing the force down through the legs to the foundation.  If any piece is missing, the entire structure collapses in on itself instantly.

And yes, I know that's a silly thing to harp on.  At least I'm not biatching about the Amy Pond Show opening :)


It looked to me like there was a scaffolding holding it together. And even if there wasn't it could be handwaved away by simply invoking some alien technology.
 
2013-04-20 11:31:53 PM
I thought this was a much better episode than the previous ones. I also liked Clara's reaction to going to traveling through the entire history of Earth. It was a nice touch to that is normally forgotten when companions get used to traveling. She still isn't used to it so seeing the Earth from birth to death would be a bit creepy. I was a bit irked that she seemed ok with the Doctor saying she was the greatest mystery. Umm, wouldn't you want to hear some clarification on that? This was also right after the empath girl told her not to trust the Doctor. Seemed like it could have been developed a bit more.

Aside from that, a pretty solid story. Having the doctor encounter a counterpart was interesting. Another man who has seen war and done terrible things having to live with it all while trying to move on. Then comes across a mystery and gets with an assistant to solve it.
 
2013-04-20 11:34:22 PM

ActionJoe: I thought this was a much better episode than the previous ones. I also liked Clara's reaction to going to traveling through the entire history of Earth. It was a nice touch to that is normally forgotten when companions get used to traveling. She still isn't used to it so seeing the Earth from birth to death would be a bit creepy. I was a bit irked that she seemed ok with the Doctor saying she was the greatest mystery. Umm, wouldn't you want to hear some clarification on that? This was also right after the empath girl told her not to trust the Doctor. Seemed like it could have been developed a bit more.


The way I interpreted that was that she thought that he was saying Humanity was the greatest mystery, instead of him literally saying SHE was the greatest mystery, and that's why she didn't question it.
 
2013-04-20 11:42:22 PM
I also pointed out tonight that this show has turned into Scooby Doo.

The new girl is really pretty.  That's about it.
 
2013-04-20 11:45:18 PM

thalassatx: I also pointed out tonight that this show has turned into Scooby Doo.

The new girl is really pretty.  That's about it.


www.robotmutant.com
 
2013-04-20 11:47:13 PM

FirstNationalBastard: The way I interpreted that was that she thought that he was saying Humanity was the greatest mystery, instead of him literally saying SHE was the greatest mystery, and that's why she didn't question it.


The way I read the line was that he meant both. There's the Clara thing that's been bugging him recently but the Doctor has always had a special attachment to humanity - when he's not incredibly annoyed at it, he's fascinated by it and I'd like to think he's spent most of the last 1200 years trying to figure us and all of our contradictions out.
 
2013-04-21 12:06:00 AM
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www3.pictures.zimbio.com
i1.mirror.co.uk
 
2013-04-21 12:13:51 AM
 Notes:

Is his "and I am afraid" line just another lie to settle everything?

Anyone else mistook her for Sophie Marceau?

They piled on the "10 returns!" anticipation too thick with the spacesuit

Now I have to finish episode 3 of Ghostlight to figure out which trumps which.
 
2013-04-21 01:15:27 AM
www.nbc.com

WHAT THE fark IS  THIS shiat??????
 
2013-04-21 01:17:15 AM

cretinbob: [www.nbc.com image 671x237]

WHAT THE fark IS  THIS shiat??????


The (thankfully) aborted American remake of "The IT Crowd"


/as much as I like Joel McHale on Community, he would have been a terrible Roy.
 
2013-04-21 01:35:21 AM

cretinbob: [www.nbc.com image 671x237]

WHAT THE fark IS  THIS shiat??????


Is that Director Vance (NCIS) on the right?

Goes to IMDB.....Dayum.
 
2013-04-21 01:54:19 AM
I didn't quite get the ending.  Why would the rescued girl want to meet with the scary monster she was terrified of?
 
2013-04-21 01:57:23 AM

Wasn't Looking at his Neck: Notes:

Is his "and I am afraid" line just another lie to settle everything?

Anyone else mistook her for Sophie Marceau?

They piled on the "10 returns!" anticipation too thick with the spacesuit

Now I have to finish episode 3 of Ghostlight to figure out which trumps which.


I don't think so. The Doctor has the spacesuit so why not use it? They also made reference to when he had an umbrella holder next to the Tardis entrance. I would say there is almost no anticipation for any previous doctor to return. They usually throw in quirky references to past doctors all the time.
 
2013-04-21 02:20:16 AM

ShawnDoc: I didn't quite get the ending.  Why would the rescued girl want to meet with the scary monster she was terrified of?


The monster's mate was also occupying the mansion. The doctor was going to take both monsters and put them on some obscure world, it had nothing to do with the rescued girl.
 
2013-04-21 02:22:30 AM
As an aside, fark Bonnie Hammer.
 
2013-04-21 02:44:56 AM

foo monkey: [www.freeimagehosting.net image 608x800]

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That first one is a really bad 'shop.
 
2013-04-21 02:48:57 AM

TheManofPA: Any reason that the Doctor hasn't given this Clara a TARDIS key yet? He gave the Victorian version one almost immediately.


Wondering that, too. Unless it was just an excuse to stage a scene where Clara calls her TARDIS/Clara self a cow.

And weren't they using the TARDIS to power the crown thingy for Emma? Wouldn't Clara flying it off to the pocket universe sorta put a kink in that?

All in all a solid episode, though.
 
2013-04-21 03:09:16 AM
He's not supposed to cross his own time stream (returning to something he'd already been a part of), yet here he is (again) clearly violating the rules.

Wibbly wobbly, indeed.
 
2013-04-21 03:13:17 AM

cptjeff: ShawnDoc: I didn't quite get the ending.  Why would the rescued girl want to meet with the scary monster she was terrified of?

The monster's mate was also occupying the mansion. The doctor was going to take both monsters and put them on some obscure world, it had nothing to do with the rescued girl.


Oh thanks, I'd missed that.  But now I remember that was who was holding Clara's hand in the first half.  I just assumed it was the same monster.
 
2013-04-21 07:26:29 AM
FirstNationalBastard:

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Ok... that guy's got a H on his forehead...

What is this some college cosplay of Red Dwarf??  Rimmer looks way to competent and is that supposed to be Kerchanski or Cat?

Ohh jesus it's the American pilot isn't it!
 
2013-04-21 07:31:01 AM

narkor: technomuse: Satanic_Hamster: Who the fark is Bonnie Hammer and what is Siffy and why should I give a rat's ass?

Bonnie Hammer is the reason The SciFi Channel became SyFy and started showing Wrestling and really bad disaster movies.


Bonnie Hammer also pointed out that the core audience for science fiction shows is internet literate people who prefer to watch through bittorrent rather than when it's broadcast or buying the DVDs. People don't torrent wrestling or bad disaster movies as much as they do Stargate, Caprica, and Galactica.


People who torrent have good taste perhaps?  The last WWF thing I watched was when I was erm... 13?  It was a kids light entertainment show.  Why on Earth would an adult watch that?

/Not saying it isn't physically demanding work on them, even if it is fake.
//But it's still teenTV.
 
2013-04-21 08:23:04 AM

notyomama: I wanted to like this episode a lot more than I actually did. There was no real explanation of why the lost girl was trapped in the pocket universe, no explanation of who she was and no information about what was going to.happen to her after the rescue.

I'm not sure Clara is going to live up to the hype. I thought she was supposed to be feisty like Donna Noble. I'm not seeing it yet. But then again, I still think that Donna was the best of the NuWho companions.


Given that the Doctor recognized her immediately and there is now (historically) no place/time for her, I wonder if she might be added as a companion, and hence more of her story can be added as we go along.

/maybe the next week preview thing ruled it out somehow, but I always avoid watching those
 
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