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(Guardian)   West Virginia lawmaker introduces bill making science education mandatory in state schools. Wait. Scratch that. Science-fiction education, that is   (guardian.co.uk) divider line 134
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2013-04-20 02:19:26 AM  
That was surprisingly rational.
 
2013-04-20 03:07:36 AM  
There was a time when teachers could decide how they taught their classes, and some of the good ones introduced reading that expanded the imaginations of their students

/doesn't fit into standardized test scores, though
 
2013-04-20 05:20:54 AM  
Republican state delegate Ray Canterbury says move would inspire pupils to...

That is strange.


/4:20 on 4/20
 
2013-04-20 09:18:34 AM  
Having science-fiction novels (sci-fi specifically, not fantasy) added to the reading lists isn't quite the same as science-fiction education. Other than that, good headline.
 
2013-04-20 09:18:37 AM  
They should write a story about the first replicator and how it supplies everything you need without working.
 
2013-04-20 09:18:37 AM  
Science fiction is the future. Possibly.
 
2013-04-20 09:18:51 AM  
We should be more prepared for a robot uprising than the stupid zombie apocalypse.
 
2013-04-20 09:19:39 AM  
There's been worse ideas about education floated.

And certainly there is worse currently being taught today. See Texas.
 
2013-04-20 09:19:50 AM  
I wouldn't inflict Asimov on anyone.
 
2013-04-20 09:20:32 AM  
It sounds like a pretty sensible plan to me. Share some stories that could inspire kids to take an interest in maths, science and engineering. I have heard of people who did indeed choose to pursue a career in science because of that very inspiration.
 
2013-04-20 09:22:42 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: There was a time when teachers could decide how they taught their classes, and some of the good ones introduced reading that expanded the imaginations of their students

/doesn't fit into standardized test scores, though


That went out the window when parents quit caring, now they have to act like robots.
 
2013-04-20 09:22:45 AM  

Live long, and prosper.

\\//
 
2013-04-20 09:23:56 AM  

Deep Contact: They should write a story about the first replicator and how it supplies everything you need without working.


thinkprogress.org

/what the First Replicator may look like.
 
2013-04-20 09:25:13 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: There was a time when teachers could decide how they taught their classes, and some of the good ones introduced reading that expanded the imaginations of their students

/doesn't fit into standardized test scores, though


That's a big part of what's wrong with education today. We shouldn't train students to regurgitate trivia as much as we should be teaching them to think and analyze.
 
2013-04-20 09:26:18 AM  
But the federal government is already requiring study of global warming climate crisis climate change.
 
2013-04-20 09:28:27 AM  

aircraftkiller: That was surprisingly rational.


Indeed. I read the headline and thought "Oh jeez, not more creationism stuff in science courses...", then I read the article and was pleasantly surprised. It was  not what I expected at all.
 
2013-04-20 09:30:32 AM  

All Latest: Science fiction is the future. Possibly.


We're living in a science fiction world today.
 
2013-04-20 09:30:55 AM  
As long as everybody reads the article, this will not turn into an ID retard fest.
 
2013-04-20 09:30:57 AM  
Whats the big deal? You can get science-fiction (creationism) in all the faith-based schools.
 
2013-04-20 09:31:49 AM  
Start it with a good dose of Heinlein.  Asimov is good, Clarke is pretty good.

Then Ringo's Posleen stuff.
 
2013-04-20 09:32:00 AM  

Deep Contact: They should write a story about the first replicator and how it supplies everything you need without working.


They already reach about the Democratic Party in political science. Why be redundant?
 
2013-04-20 09:32:25 AM  
And then Old Man's War.
 
2013-04-20 09:33:30 AM  

heypete: aircraftkiller: That was surprisingly rational.

Indeed. I read the headline and thought "Oh jeez, not more creationism stuff in science courses...", then I read the article and was pleasantly surprised. It was  not what I expected at all.


It does, however, provide a golden opportunity to load the reading list with a bunch of L. Ron Hubbard thinly-veiled-Scientology books.  Sit back and watch the WV Christian community scream about religious indoctrination for the first time ever.
 
2013-04-20 09:35:19 AM  

All Latest: Science fiction is the future. Possibly.


Well, not so much. Science fiction is the present distorted through the lens of extending ideas and technology into a future of sorts. It's why I love old sci-fi, it shows a retro future that shows the thinking of the past in a way that straight history never quite reveals.

The other day I was watching one of my favourites, the 1930 sci-fi/comedy/musical Just Imagine, which takes place in the majestic far-off world of 1980 (where cars have been replaced by airplanes, everyone has a number instead of a name and the government must approve all marriages) I do believe that it is the very first science fiction sound film ever made.

It's ace. Well, aside from El Brendel's fake Swedish bit that gets old and the terrible music, it's ace. Go watch. The whole thing is at

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eldqx1MChyc
 
2013-04-20 09:35:32 AM  
You know who is really bad at determining what should be taught in schools, state lawmakers.  Put together a panel of experts and stay the hell out of it.
 
2013-04-20 09:36:19 AM  
Because we can't teach basic education but yay sci-fi?  There's a reason we are almost last in rankings for education and this isn't helping.

/did anyone else read the legislators name as Ray Bradbury?
 
2013-04-20 09:37:05 AM  
Apart from our classics, who's doing modern stuff that doesn't take six thousand pages to finish a story?
 
2013-04-20 09:39:57 AM  
www.scientology-belleair.org
 
2013-04-20 09:42:19 AM  

wildcardjack: Apart from our classics, who's doing modern stuff that doesn't take six thousand pages to finish a story?


Scalzi
 
2013-04-20 09:44:40 AM  
Ummm... I'm kind of OK with this...

If more folks read books like 451, perhaps they would think about their decisions more.
 
2013-04-20 09:52:17 AM  

ronaprhys: Start it with a good dose of Heinlein.  Asimov is good, Clarke is pretty good.

Then Ringo's Posleen stuff.


I was glad to Heinlein specifically mentioned.
 
2013-04-20 09:53:03 AM  

ronaprhys: Start it with a good dose of Heinlein.  Asimov is good, Clarke is pretty good.

Then Ringo's Posleen stuff.


Heinlein? Do we really need to encourage inbreeding in W. Virginia?
 
2013-04-20 09:56:28 AM  

cynicalbastard: ronaprhys: Start it with a good dose of Heinlein.  Asimov is good, Clarke is pretty good.

Then Ringo's Posleen stuff.

Heinlein? Do we really need to encourage inbreeding in W. Virginia?


Are you referring to To Sail Beyond the Sunset?
 
2013-04-20 09:57:28 AM  

cynicalbastard: ronaprhys: Start it with a good dose of Heinlein.  Asimov is good, Clarke is pretty good.

Then Ringo's Posleen stuff.

Heinlein? Do we really need to encourage inbreeding in W. Virginia?


Some of his older stuff did get weird, but the early stuff was very good.  It's a great introduction to the genre.
 
2013-04-20 09:57:42 AM  
I am pleasantly surprised that the article wasn't about intelligent design.
 
2013-04-20 09:57:52 AM  
Considering how much of our technology was first introduced in sci-fi books, this sounds like a pretty good idea.
 
2013-04-20 10:00:39 AM  
/had to read about the tar babby in WV grade school
 
2013-04-20 10:02:30 AM  

al's hat: cynicalbastard: ronaprhys: Start it with a good dose of Heinlein.  Asimov is good, Clarke is pretty good.

Then Ringo's Posleen stuff.

Heinlein? Do we really need to encourage inbreeding in W. Virginia?

Are you referring to To Sail Beyond the Sunset?


And let us not forget Time Enough for Love.
 
2013-04-20 10:02:51 AM  
I flunked Science Fiction. In West Virginia.

Actually the best SF for adolescents, if memory serves, had to do with sex.
 
2013-04-20 10:05:01 AM  

Deep Contact: They should write a story about the first replicator and how it supplies everything you need without working.


Most people wouldn't know what to do with themselves if we actually did live in a leisure society.

We predicted the leisure society 40 years ago, replicators aren't needed for that.
 
2013-04-20 10:05:19 AM  

chitlenz: Ummm... I'm kind of OK with this...

If more folks read books like 451, perhaps they would think about their decisions more.


Show em twilight zone episodes until their moral compass is developed

/obsolete man ftw
 
2013-04-20 10:07:49 AM  

cynicalbastard: al's hat: cynicalbastard: ronaprhys: Start it with a good dose of Heinlein.  Asimov is good, Clarke is pretty good.

Then Ringo's Posleen stuff.

Heinlein? Do we really need to encourage inbreeding in W. Virginia?

Are you referring to To Sail Beyond the Sunset?

And let us not forget Time Enough for Love.


The Moon is a Harsh Mistress and The Number of the Beast are a couple of my favorite Heinleins.  Can't neglect I Will Fear No Evil and Stranger in a Strange Land though.
 
2013-04-20 10:10:27 AM  
So, West Virginia is taking steps to encourage their students to think along sci-fi lines.

This can't hurt and can only help, if you ask me.

Kudos on them.  Fully expected an 'intelligent design' story.  Leaving pleasantly surprised.
 
2013-04-20 10:12:28 AM  
Kids have to learn about Tek War somewhere.
 
2013-04-20 10:12:30 AM  

cynicalbastard: al's hat: cynicalbastard: ronaprhys: Start it with a good dose of Heinlein.  Asimov is good, Clarke is pretty good.

Then Ringo's Posleen stuff.

Heinlein? Do we really need to encourage inbreeding in W. Virginia?

Are you referring to To Sail Beyond the Sunset?

And let us not forget Time Enough for Love.


And No Time For Love, Dr. Jones.
 
2013-04-20 10:12:53 AM  
I'm certainly OK with this, but it'd be great if they'd also tell the cdesign proponentsists and the abstinence-only edumakashun crowd to go to that Hell they're always yammering about.
 
2013-04-20 10:20:30 AM  

ronaprhys: Start it with a good dose of Heinlein.  Asimov is good, Clarke is pretty good.

Then Ringo's Posleen stuff.


Like the one where he goes back in time and farks his mother?
 
2013-04-20 10:23:11 AM  
West Virginia?  You mean The Hunger Games isn't already required reading?
 
2013-04-20 10:30:07 AM  
They should read Snow Crash so they can prepare for the coming capitalist paradise their legislators are trying to make for them.
 
2013-04-20 10:30:15 AM  
I expected this to be about teaching creationism but was pleasantly surprised to see that it's not.
 
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