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2013-04-20 10:21:18 AM
3 votes:
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I wouldn't say it sucked at Sci-Fi, but I missed Forrester and Frank. The segue pieces became tiresome.
2013-04-20 04:18:23 PM
2 votes:
Supernatural season 7 was a big Dick joke (literally) but season 8 has been very redeeming. It's one of my favorite shows on TV right now.
2013-04-20 01:36:37 PM
2 votes:

RockofAges: Just watched all of VOY, DS9, TNG, TOS, and ENT over the past year.

All good shows. I'm sure Neo here will obviously say DS9 was the best (the favourite for smart marks, to borrow a wrestling phrase). Personally, I thought DS9 was pretty damn good but that Sisko sadly had a tendency to overact FAR worse than Janeway could "underact".

I would personally say they are all very enjoyable shows with their own pros and cons. DS9 could be a bit too cerebral / political / mystical. I mean really, who cares about in-canon politics? The thematic and philosophical points raised by TNG were much more timeless. In-canon politics don't really provide any exterior satisfaction.

Voyager stands on its own quite well. Paris and Tuvok were actually quite good characters. Tuvok, in particular, is a very nuanced character when you actually sit down and watch it.


I'd go the opposite direction with DS9. The "politics" we're a big part of what made it good. You can't just phaser the alien supercomputer, pontificate a bit on humanistic values, and fly off to a new planet; when something happens on DS9, there are consequences. It's fine to use the Prophets to question the nature of faith and the relationship between religion and reason (for comparison, I'm thinking about the stupid TNG episode in which Picard lectures "god" on morality, then flies away to a new planet), but you have to deal with the day after that, when Bajoran clergy start arguing over what all that means and how it impacts everyday life. TOS dealt with genetic engineering by dumping Khan on Ceti Alpha V and flying away. DS9 asked what we should do when people get back-alley upgrades anyway.
2013-04-20 01:24:16 PM
2 votes:

47 is the new 42: Hebalo: Voyager blew. Straight up. Because it has NO consequences. The characters never really struggled with being years from home. The Ship was always repaired, the rest button always pushed. The only time it got anywhere near interesting was the "Year in Hell", which is what the whole series should been. When you have a limitless galaxy, every possibility imaginable, and your characters potentially in dramatic circumstances due to their situation, and you have a NUMBER of episodes in the Holodeck, you're clearly bankrupt in the imagination column.

It also seemed to me that they prematurely took out the Starfleet vs. Maquis conflict too early.  Sure, both the Starfleet officers and the Maquis wanted to get back to the Alpha Quadrant, but there should have been more conflict between Starfleet principles and regulations and the way Maquis do things.  Sure there was some, but it seemed to be resolved way too soon.


Like everything on the show, that conflict was shelved in favor of bland, easy to resolve single episode pablum. Characters vehemently disagree with one another, only to have forgotten it completely by the next episode. Compare that to Babylon 5, where characters have actual arcs and development, and it's not hard to see why people scoff at Voyager.
2013-04-20 01:13:54 PM
2 votes:
Voyager blew. Straight up. Because it has NO consequences. The characters never really struggled with being years from home. The Ship was always repaired, the rest button always pushed. The only time it got anywhere near interesting was the "Year in Hell", which is what the whole series should been. When you have a limitless galaxy, every possibility imaginable, and your characters potentially in dramatic circumstances due to their situation, and you have a NUMBER of episodes in the Holodeck, you're clearly bankrupt in the imagination column.
2013-04-20 01:00:19 PM
2 votes:

I. M. Foreman: Would also include Red Dwarf on this list.  Started going off the rails when they lost the ship and the show was entirely set on the Starbug, and then completely derailed when Rimmer left and we got (fake) Kochanski as a replacement.  I stopped watching about 4 episodes into the season where they find the Dwarf with all crew (including Rimmer) reconstructed via nanobots.


Kochanski was painful. The actress they got for her had no comic abilities whatsoever. The Rimmer/Lister dynamic was what drove the show. They should probably have just ended it after Season 5.
2013-04-20 10:41:43 AM
2 votes:

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I wouldn't say it sucked at Sci-Fi, but I missed Forrester and Frank. The segue pieces became tiresome.


I think the Sci-Fi years were the high point of the show as far as movie selection and riffing goes.  The riff writing was as tight as ever and the movies gave us the likes of Puma Man, Overdrawn at the Memory Bank, and Space Mutiny.  The host segments were generally terrible, but they're a very small part of the show.

What really hurt the segments was Sci-Fi Channel's insistence that the host segments be serialized.  So we ended up with Planet of the Apes, The Observers, Lost in Space, and Ancient Rome.  Once they got to the last season, Sci-Fi stopped ordering them around and allowed them to just hang out in the castle and have non-science fiction films and shorts again.
2013-04-20 10:40:15 AM
2 votes:

T-Servo: [24.media.tumblr.com image 425x288]

I wouldn't say it sucked at Sci-Fi, but I missed Forrester and Frank. The segue pieces became tiresome.


I loved Forrester and Frank, but I still liked the Sci-Fi-era host segments better. The invention exchanges always felt like recycled gags from a failed prop comic (because they were), and the Joel-era segments always felt like they were there to fill time, not because somebody thought they were truly funny.
2013-04-20 09:19:13 AM
2 votes:
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2013-04-20 04:04:24 PM
1 votes:

soporific: Mugato: soporific: Smallville. Again, it was a show that was so close to being good and yet it missed the mark

I only watched a handful of episodes but at least they did what 5 movies and two really good actors couldn't do, make Lex Luthor not look like an idiot. So it has that going for it.

If you want a good movie Luthor, watch the DC animated movies, particularly Superman:Doomsday and All Star Superman. If Superman Returns had those Luthors, it would have been so much better.


Screw that noise. You want Luthor, you watch Justice League Unlimited.
2013-04-20 03:56:29 PM
1 votes:
That said, I do think that two full Gangers episodes was not a great idea. It should have been a single episode. Again, not terrible, just dull.
2013-04-20 03:53:46 PM
1 votes:

peasandcarrots: bikkurikun: A pretty sound list, I am only missing Eureka; they did the same stupid thing as Fringe, I couldn't get myself interested after they moved to an alternate future.

Don't agree with Supernatural though; it's still fun, although probably it would be a good idea to stop now.

And I am tired of Doctor Who as well; time to let him rest again for a decade or so.

If Doctor Who fails again, it'll probably be because of Stephen Moffatt. These huge, twisted plot tumors he injected into the sixth season had me just kind of hanging on and hoping for the best; every episode introduced some overweening new concept that would have a huge impact on everything for the rest of the season, and even then didn't make much sense. There were only two episodes that didn't require every other episode in the series to make sense, and neither one was very good, as if Moffatt just didn't particularly give a damn about them. The whole thing screamed "vanity project."

It's not a bad thing to have a story arc, or even several story arcs running parallel, but if your viewers don't click with one of those arcs, you're stuck with it for the duration, and it'll just hurt you. (I shudder at the vast quantity of materials trying to force us to like the "gangers." They have action figures of those goddamn things. You know, because science fiction TV just doesn't have enough mistaken-identity duplicate stories.) What started out as the Secret Word ("Bad Wolf") that ran through the whole series, a mystery only discovered late in the game, and solved in the final episode, has become the central plot device upon which all other facets of the series lean, a cheap gimmick to keep idiots like me glued to the set for thirteen weeks.

Moffatt HAS walked this back a bit for Series Seven - maybe he got slapped by a critic or something, I don't know. But the series' dependence on internet buzz for ratings is biting its ass in a big way.


We'll have to disagree. I think the Moffatt years have overall been superior to the RTD period. Even the worst Moffatt episodes have simply been dull, and nothing has approached the deepest depths of suck that RTD did (Fear Her, the end of Love and Monsters, Yoda Doctor and Tinkerbell Jesus Doctor from Last of the Time Lords). The writing has been better overall, the show looks so much better from a production value, and I just like Matt Smith better as the Doctor. The show is even more popular than ever, too. I just don't see the same issues the Moffatt critics have with the show. I've been watching the show since the 80s and I personally think it has been the best it has since the Tom Baker years.

Also, some of the best parts of the classic series were when there was an overarching plot, like the Key to Time season, the Doctor/Master rivalry in Pertwee's second season, and the return of the Master story arc that ran from the end of the 4th Doctor to the beginning of the 5th, and the Cartmel Masterplan episodes towards the end of the show.
2013-04-20 03:25:48 PM
1 votes:

Mugato: soporific: Smallville. Again, it was a show that was so close to being good and yet it missed the mark

I only watched a handful of episodes but at least they did what 5 movies and two really good actors couldn't do, make Lex Luthor not look like an idiot. So it has that going for it.


If you want a good movie Luthor, watch the DC animated movies, particularly Superman:Doomsday and All Star Superman. If Superman Returns had those Luthors, it would have been so much better.
2013-04-20 03:25:31 PM
1 votes:

47 is the new 42: Seems like all you did was expand on why, which I actually already knew a lot about. Is it sad that I think the best Season 5 episode is the one with the two maintence guys?


Due to the cancellation fears, the best final episode of any series I can think of, was in Babylon 5 season 4, "The Deconstruction of Falling Stars."  If they could've just ended the series with that episode, (and had it not already been seen), season 5 would be remembered much better.  Should anyone ever recommend the series to a friend (it holds up well) tell them to watch that episode last or second to last.
2013-04-20 03:20:55 PM
1 votes:

soporific: Smallville. Again, it was a show that was so close to being good and yet it missed the mark


I only watched a handful of episodes but at least they did what 5 movies and two really good actors couldn't do, make Lex Luthor not look like an idiot. So it has that going for it.
2013-04-20 02:48:27 PM
1 votes:

SpdrJay: Anyone who didn't like the new Battlestar Galactica is a Chechen terrorist.


For a while, I was afraid that the only thing I liked about BSG was Tricia Helfer running around nekkid, so I finished season 1 and went back to rewatch it, skipping over her scenes.

It was still a damn good show.
2013-04-20 02:40:02 PM
1 votes:

namatad: 47 is the new 42: Babylon 5 was good overall show with a few bad things:  The fourth season wrapped stuff up too quickly, and the fifth season just sucked.  However, I do understand that a good portion of why was they weren't sure if there was going to be a fifth season, so they needed to wrap up the major stuff (Shadow War, Earth Civil War) in Season 4, and then they end up getting a Season 5.  They probably could have done a lot better with Season 5 even considering this.

"This plan was nearly shelved when it appeared Babylon 5 was going to be canceled after the fourth season. J Michael Straczynski pushed forward much of the material he had planned for the fifth season into the fourth, and even filmed the planned series finale for that year. When word came that the fifth season had been granted after all, the series finale was held back and used in its proper place. "

"(The fourth and fifth seasons had to be telescoped into one when the show was going to be prematurely ended. Then it was Un-Cancelled and picked up by TNT, and they had to scramble to create a fifth season, which was not as well-liked by most fans.) "

From a production point of view, they moved ahead with season 4, assuming that there would be no season 5. Period.
In the end, we were EXCITED to see that they were able to wrap everything up in Season 4. 
And then we got the abortion which was Season 5.

I have only rewatched season 5 once since it originally aired. Really not worth the time.


Seems like all you did was expand on why, which I actually already knew a lot about.  Is it sad that I think the best Season 5 episode is the one with the two maintence guys?
2013-04-20 02:27:06 PM
1 votes:

47 is the new 42: Babylon 5 was good overall show with a few bad things:  The fourth season wrapped stuff up too quickly, and the fifth season just sucked.  However, I do understand that a good portion of why was they weren't sure if there was going to be a fifth season, so they needed to wrap up the major stuff (Shadow War, Earth Civil War) in Season 4, and then they end up getting a Season 5.  They probably could have done a lot better with Season 5 even considering this.


"This plan was nearly shelved when it appeared Babylon 5 was going to be canceled after the fourth season. J Michael Straczynski pushed forward much of the material he had planned for the fifth season into the fourth, and even filmed the planned series finale for that year. When word came that the fifth season had been granted after all, the series finale was held back and used in its proper place. "

"(The fourth and fifth seasons had to be telescoped into one when the show was going to be prematurely ended. Then it was Un-Cancelled and picked up by TNT, and they had to scramble to create a fifth season, which was not as well-liked by most fans.) "

From a production point of view, they moved ahead with season 4, assuming that there would be no season 5. Period.
In the end, we were EXCITED to see that they were able to wrap everything up in Season 4. 
And then we got the abortion which was Season 5.

I have only rewatched season 5 once since it originally aired. Really not worth the time.
2013-04-20 02:05:23 PM
1 votes:

Hebalo: 47 is the new 42: Hebalo: Voyager blew. Straight up. Because it has NO consequences. The characters never really struggled with being years from home. The Ship was always repaired, the rest button always pushed. The only time it got anywhere near interesting was the "Year in Hell", which is what the whole series should been. When you have a limitless galaxy, every possibility imaginable, and your characters potentially in dramatic circumstances due to their situation, and you have a NUMBER of episodes in the Holodeck, you're clearly bankrupt in the imagination column.

It also seemed to me that they prematurely took out the Starfleet vs. Maquis conflict too early.  Sure, both the Starfleet officers and the Maquis wanted to get back to the Alpha Quadrant, but there should have been more conflict between Starfleet principles and regulations and the way Maquis do things.  Sure there was some, but it seemed to be resolved way too soon.

Like everything on the show, that conflict was shelved in favor of bland, easy to resolve single episode pablum. Characters vehemently disagree with one another, only to have forgotten it completely by the next episode. Compare that to Babylon 5, where characters have actual arcs and development, and it's not hard to see why people scoff at Voyager.


Babylon 5 was good overall show with a few bad things:  The fourth season wrapped stuff up too quickly, and the fifth season just sucked.  However, I do understand that a good portion of why was they weren't sure if there was going to be a fifth season, so they needed to wrap up the major stuff (Shadow War, Earth Civil War) in Season 4, and then they end up getting a Season 5.  They probably could have done a lot better with Season 5 even considering this.

Mugato: 47 is the new 42: t also seemed to me that they prematurely took out the Starfleet vs. Maquis conflict too early

I was just about to say that. There was the occasional traitor and Belanna was a biatch but for the most part by the second episode they were one happy family. And no, there were no consequences. Half the ship could be blown apart and by the next episode everything was back to normal. I realize with replicators or whatever that repair procedures might be easier but still.

And the finale sucked. "Hey, there's Earth!" Credits.


Yes, it did.  I forgot to mention that.
2013-04-20 01:58:31 PM
1 votes:

Hebalo: Compare that to Babylon 5, where characters have actual arcs and development, and it's not hard to see why people scoff at Voyager.


Watching Vir, Londo and J'Kar develop over time.
J'Kar's epiphany, that his race might have to perish by doing what is right and that being the only rational choice.

damn
might be time to rewatch the first 4 seasons
2013-04-20 01:46:05 PM
1 votes:

namatad: swahnhennessy: As others have noted, BSG started to go bad before the end of season 2. It took some time building up to the boring mess it became, which makes me wonder if some people ever noticed. I just don't get how people defend that show's latter half unless they just let themselves be led into crap and couldn't tell the difference. One thing BSG did was make me wary of TV series. I've never been one to watch much of them, but after that experience I vowed never to start another that wasn't completely wrapped up. I'm not going to get invested in another series only to have it turn stupid, leaving me with a sense of duty to finish it and see where it ends up. As good as that first season of BSG was, it wasn't worth sitting through most of the rest of it. dont get me started on the number of good SF series which were canceled once they got going. (looking at you fox)


I know exactly what you're talking about.

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2013-04-20 01:19:57 PM
1 votes:

Hebalo: Voyager blew. Straight up. Because it has NO consequences. The characters never really struggled with being years from home. The Ship was always repaired, the rest button always pushed. The only time it got anywhere near interesting was the "Year in Hell", which is what the whole series should been. When you have a limitless galaxy, every possibility imaginable, and your characters potentially in dramatic circumstances due to their situation, and you have a NUMBER of episodes in the Holodeck, you're clearly bankrupt in the imagination column.


It also seemed to me that they prematurely took out the Starfleet vs. Maquis conflict too early.  Sure, both the Starfleet officers and the Maquis wanted to get back to the Alpha Quadrant, but there should have been more conflict between Starfleet principles and regulations and the way Maquis do things.  Sure there was some, but it seemed to be resolved way too soon.
2013-04-20 12:51:56 PM
1 votes:

HempHead: angrymacface: This smells like  The English Major's work. Voyager and Enterprise were both excellent* shows.

*eventually sometimes

Enterprise sucked when they decided to incorporate 9/11 into the story line and re-write Federation history.


I always hoped that Enterprise would do something truly radical, and actually turn into the evil Mirror Mirror universe. It would have made the countless "Will the Federation survive this latest threat?" episodes much more exciting when suddenly, no, it doesn't survive! All hell breaks loose, and we are left with something never before expected in a Trek show.
2013-04-20 12:21:20 PM
1 votes:

I. M. Foreman: Would also include Red Dwarf on this list.  Started going off the rails when they lost the ship and the show was entirely set on the Starbug, and then completely derailed when Rimmer left and we got (fake) Kochanski as a replacement.  I stopped watching about 4 episodes into the season where they find the Dwarf with all crew (including Rimmer) reconstructed via nanobots.


Cat going around spraying things. "mine. that's mine. mine. mine."

The skutters begging to not be left alone with Rimmer.
2013-04-20 11:18:49 AM
1 votes:

I. M. Foreman: Would also include Red Dwarf on this list.  Started going off the rails when they lost the ship and the show was entirely set on the Starbug, and then completely derailed when Rimmer left and we got (fake) Kochanski as a replacement.  I stopped watching about 4 episodes into the season where they find the Dwarf with all crew (including Rimmer) reconstructed via nanobots.


"Back to Earth" was tolerable.  It wasn't great, but it's worth a watch.  Series X was decent.  It wasn't as good as the early seasons of the show, but it was a hell of a lot better than the later seasons.

RockofAges: Just watched all of VOY, DS9, TNG, TOS, and ENT over the past year.

All good shows. I'm sure Neo here will obviously say DS9 was the best (the favourite for smart marks, to borrow a wrestling phrase). Personally, I thought DS9 was pretty damn good but that Sisko sadly had a tendency to overact FAR worse than Janeway could "underact".

I would personally say they are all very enjoyable shows with their own pros and cons. DS9 could be a bit too cerebral / political / mystical. I mean really, who cares about in-canon politics? The thematic and philosophical points raised by TNG were much more timeless. In-canon politics don't really provide any exterior satisfaction.

Voyager stands on its own quite well. Paris and Tuvok were actually quite good characters. Tuvok, in particular, is a very nuanced character when you actually sit down and watch it.


I agree with all of this.  I consider DS9 to be the strongest show as a whole.  TNG had much better and more memorable "great" episodes, but DS9 was overall more consistent than the other series.  Seasons 1 and 2 of TNG (aside from a few exceptions) are terrible.  The last season or two weren't great, either.  Voyager has it's moments, but it's bad episodes are on par with the worst of TOS.
2013-04-20 10:48:51 AM
1 votes:

FeedTheCollapse: T-Servo: [24.media.tumblr.com image 425x288]

I wouldn't say it sucked at Sci-Fi, but I missed Forrester and Frank. The segue pieces became tiresome.

eh, those segments were always kind of hit or miss. The movie portions were just as good as anything from the Comedy Central-era, though.


Agreed on both points. The earlier ones had stinkers ("Side hackin' is the thing to do") and Pearl & Co had some good ones (Bobo making a sandwich out of Observer's brain). But I'd say the good/bad ratios were better when it was Forrester & Frank. And the best of Pearl & Co never reached the heights of the best of Forrester & Frank.
2013-04-20 10:30:42 AM
1 votes:
Sigh, Lois & Clark.  It was awesome while it lasted.
2013-04-20 10:09:14 AM
1 votes:
Anyone who didn't like the new Battlestar Galactica is a Chechen terrorist.

Lost was one season of show stretched into six seasons....

Sliders was painfully bad after the second season.
2013-04-20 09:54:55 AM
1 votes:
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2013-04-20 09:44:19 AM
1 votes:

PacificaFitz: t3knomanser: boogerwolf: thought the writing and fx were above average

The FX were pretty good, I'll grant that. The writing was godawful. The characters were bland and forgettable with the exception of the EMH and Seven. Nobody ever developed, every episode reset the state back to where it was at the start of the episode- which was extra offensive since Voyager was the first ST not developed for syndication-  it was the first ST that they controlled the airing of the episodes. They could have done all sorts of great story arcs, but didn't.

Also, the premise was just awful.

Tom Paris?  Harry Kim?  Captain Janeway?  Tuvak?  Chikote?  Belana?  How can you say they didn't have good charecters?  Janeway was brilliant.  Some of the best ST stories came out of this show!  The Borg might have started with TNG but it was perfected with Voyager.

The problem people have with Voyager is that it wasn't on the bridge of the Enterprise.  It was a different story all together.


Several problems with that post. How can you say Harry Kim had a good character? Dude was Voyager's O'Brien, as in he was the punching bag that the bad shiat happened to but none of the character development. And most of what he did the entire series was whine and when Seven came on board he just pined for her all the time. Chakotay as a good character? He had moments, but you could tell Beltran was phoning in his performance half the time, and the silly magic space Native American episodes were a bit of a joke. Torres couldn't decide if she was angry all the time or not or whether she hated being half Klingon or not. Janeway wasn't that bad IMO. The actress that played her did the best she could given the material she was given. Tuvok was written as a pretty one dimensional character. The worst offense though was the Borg. They went from the galaxy's biggest badasses where a couple cubes could take out half the damn fleet to where a single ship that's been through hell and back with limited resources was able to take them out regularly.  Don't get me wrong, I did enjoy Voyager to a degree, but the quality of writing for that show was the least consistent of any Trek show I can think of.
2013-04-20 09:42:27 AM
1 votes:
Following a decent if uneven and abbreviated first season that only survived cancellation due to a massive outcry from fans, season two of "Firefly" rapidly became the stuff of sci-fi legend. Thanks to excellent writing, a creative story arc and a unique method of incorporating suggestions from die-hard "Browncoat" fans, it appeared that "Firefly" was destined for unlimited greatness.

Unfortunately, the incorporation in season three of "PatRebs," a far-right Alliance faction, led to boycotts due to the striking resemblances between PatRebs and today's Tea Party movement. Although the death of series creator Joss Whedon remains unsolved, suspicions about involvement by certain Tea Party members nevertheless remain.

Inevitably, season three was probably cursed from its outset. Although the first four episodes written by Whedon's brother Jed received wide acclaim, Fox abruptly fired him only to be replaced by Michael "I love high explosives" Bay...
2013-04-20 09:35:45 AM
1 votes:

PacificaFitz: Tom Paris?  Harry Kim?  Captain Janeway?  Tuvak?  Chikote?  Belana?


Paris: Rent-a-center Kirk
Kim: Human wallpaper
Janeway: No consistent character, she just behaved however the plot called for- from one episode to the next she'd swing from being a conciliatory pushover to a guns-blazing renegade.
Tuvok: The worlds' least interesting Vulcan
Chakotay: The rare times when his character was ever explored, we learned he was a stereotype
Belana: Apparently being half-Klingon simply makes you biatchy.
2013-04-20 09:28:07 AM
1 votes:

wildcardjack: namatad: 4) fringe - lol - I watched it. I still have no idea what they were doing

I understand there was some sort of story arc in there. But the whole series felt like they put ideas, LSD and mescaline in the hat, shook it, and ate whatever they pulled out.


I tried to watch Fringe when it first came on, and caught it here and there, and had much the same reaction.  I went back, though, and bought the first three seasons on DVD (you can get them very cheaply), and it is certainly a show where you have to watch every episode and pay attention to almost every nuance.  It's since become one of my fav sci-fi shows, with only a smattering of weak stories here and there (Anna Torv as Leonard Nimoy was probably the lowest moment of the show).  It did have excellent episodes and excellent acting--how John Noble didn't win awards, I'll never know.

I know a lot of people diss BSG, but it remains one of the greatest sci-fi shows ever.  Yes, there were weak episodes, but compare it, to say, Star Trek: TNG, where even the reviewers say stuff like, well, there were four of five really good episodes in this twenty-two episode season, so IT IS THE GREATEST SCIFI WE'VE EVER SEEN.  Ridiculous.  Even the worst episodes of BSG are better than most of the best episodes of TNG.

\all this Fringe talk and no Anna Torv pics?  Shame, shame
2013-04-20 09:13:24 AM
1 votes:

boogerwolf: thought the writing and fx were above average


The FX were pretty good, I'll grant that. The writing was godawful. The characters were bland and forgettable with the exception of the EMH and Seven. Nobody ever developed, every episode reset the state back to where it was at the start of the episode- which was extra offensive since Voyager was the first ST not developed for syndication-  it was the first ST that they controlled the airing of the episodes. They could have done all sorts of great story arcs, but didn't.

Also, the premise was just awful.
2013-04-20 09:03:57 AM
1 votes:
TFA: The show stumbled somewhat in its third season, with the boxing episode and a boring love triangle.

The boxing episode is widely regarded as one of the best episodes of the series, and probably TV in general.
2013-04-20 08:41:03 AM
1 votes:

Mugato: namatad: 10) supernatural - crap, was this actually good? do I have to watch it now? dammit

It's pretty good. It's like X-Files only a sausage fest. It can get gory though if you're turned off by that.

I'm afraid of Psych starting to suck now that Jules finally busted Shawn. Same with Dexter but this is the last season anyway.


There are most likely only about a season's worth of Psych episodes left, anyway. So even if it does start to suck, they've had a good solid 100 episodes.
2013-04-20 08:35:39 AM
1 votes:

namatad: 10) supernatural - crap, was this actually good? do I have to watch it now? dammit


It's pretty good. It's like X-Files only a sausage fest. It can get gory though if you're turned off by that.

I'm afraid of Psych starting to suck now that Jules finally busted Shawn. Same with Dexter but this is the last season anyway.
2013-04-20 03:16:22 AM
1 votes:
Oh, i09, John Rhys-Davies didn't quit Sliders... he was fired by a Fox executive he once managed pissed off.

Also, they  forgot to mention why the show went off the rails and became Kromagg of the week... Fox brought in a hack producer to do their bidding, and Hack producer stayed with the show from seasons 3-5 making sure to kill all good ideas and replace them with movie of the week worlds and such.

/and replacing the Professor with Hootie McBoob, and choosing Hootie over Wade.
2013-04-20 01:53:06 AM
1 votes:
Enterprise sucked until it's final season, then it suddenly got pretty good.

Supernatural had a couple iffy seasons lately, but this season they seem to be righting the ship.

The Lost writers clearly wrote themselves into a corner, but they did a decent job getting themselves out of it.
2013-04-20 01:47:15 AM
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Enterprise was crappy for the first season (like every Star Trek series), but by the middle of the 2nd season, they were improving a lot. When they hit season 3 and they went into the overarching arch structure, they hit their stride.

Voyager's first episode was okay. It started to suck pretty quickly though and only improved enough to the point of watchability around maybe season 6.
 
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