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(ABC Local)   Concealed carry fails in Illinois House. This is good news for gun owners because if they don't pass one in the next few weeks you can carry any gun you want any time you want in the Land of Lincoln   (abclocal.go.com) divider line 11
    More: Cool, Illinois House, Illinois, Chicago Democrat, concealed weapons, gun owners, parliamentary procedures, Brooke Anderson  
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2013-04-20 11:45:21 AM
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craigdamage: ...if Texas ever goes "open carry"
I shall carry my Smith and Wesson 21-4 .44 Special wheel gun on my hip. (Thunder Ranch Model!)
Six .44 slugs beats 15x 9mm any day imho.


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2013-04-20 05:29:30 PM
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mizchief: "The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." - Thomas Jefferson


You're aware that's not a real quote, right?
2013-04-20 02:45:11 PM
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snocone: udhq: BraveNewCheneyWorld: skozlaw: Plus, it's just a statistical fact that owning a gun increases your odds of being killed by a gun.

Just like owning a car increases your chances of being killed in a car accident!!  That doesn't mean there's not an overwhelming number of benefits to having a car that outweigh that risk.  Your "logic" is idiotic.

No, it's really not.  Gun owners pay more for life and homeowner's insurance because the actuarial tables show that bringing a gun into your home statistically increases the odds of dying a violent death for everyone in that home.

There are a lot of reasons to own a gun, but if someone cites "safety", "protection" or "crime deterrence" that's a pretty clear flag that they don't know what they're talking about.

Where did you pick that crap up?
Total falsehood. Insurance rates are unchanged.
Deliberate lie or do you not check the crap you believe? Be honest.

/cannot understand farks who spout lies so easily checked


Boy, you sure showed me with all that "evidence" you posted.....
2013-04-20 02:40:57 PM
1 votes:

BraveNewCheneyWorld: udhq: Yeah, about that 2.5 million number?  Not so much.

And you cite a study by an overtly pro gun control group?  How about no.


Hmmm, so an institution that produces an academic study that fails to reinforce your preconceived beliefs can be summarily dismissed as "overtly pro gun control", but YOUR OWN STATISTIC comes from a non-academic paper (that's a significant word, notice how it's a "paper", and not a "study") produced by a self-identified gun lobby?

This, ladies and gentlemen, is the very definition of living in an ideological bubble.
2013-04-20 02:27:20 PM
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skozlaw: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Where did you get that information? Because I've never been asked about gun ownership. Also if guns serve no legitimate purpose, they why do police carry them? Also..

* Guns are used 2.5 million times a year in self-defense. Law-abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves against criminals as many as 2.5 million times every year-or about 6,850 times a day.(1) This means that each year, firearms are used more than 80 times more often to protect the lives of honest citizens than to take lives.(2)

The benefits outweigh the liabilities.

Kleck's work has been thoroughly debunked. The math itself is inherently absurd.

Hardly surprising, though, I should see you posting long-since-discredited crap. I assume you'll flee this thread with your tail between your legs like you did last time I utterly embarrassed you?


I'm starting to think you're mentally unstable.  Seriously, what the hell is wrong with you?  You keep mentioning this fantasy you had of "schooling" me.  Actually, the last time you brought this up, I had to go and look up what the hell you were talking about.  After looking through the old thread, I found out that  you're just a half wit suffering from the dunning kruger effect, and didn't warrant any more attention.  It's more than a little disturbing that you apparently have this delusion that you're my nemesis when in fact, you're entirely benign.
2013-04-20 01:40:21 PM
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snocone: skozlaw: snocone: Read my bio and then trot out that crap.

Yea, good point. It was unfair of me to accuse you of being pro-gun for your childish comment.

Based on your comments so far in this thread, you're clearly just a childish person in general regardless of whatever other opinions you may hold.

Have a nice day.

And some day, child, you may figure out what is important in this world.


To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women?
2013-04-20 12:29:41 PM
1 votes:

JoanHaus: If anyone is dumb enough to believe that carrying a gun "protects" them in any way, then they richly deserve the mugging wherein they are pistolwhipped with said gun. I've never one one person, outside of trained military and police, who could possibly EVER use their weapon in a high stress situation. None.


Your statement is astute, and I am certain that no one will be able to dispute it by referencing even a single incident where a lawfully armed citizen was able to stop a crime in progress.
2013-04-20 12:19:53 PM
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2013-04-20 11:16:34 AM
1 votes:

Fark It: namatad: ROFL

Would this invalidate the need to have a FOID card?
I love the fact that this could overrule any and all chicago laws by default.

/as much as you and I might be against gun ownership, illinois is the ONLY state left which does not permit concealed carry.
/strange but true

No, but it should.  At minimum there should be no charge for the FOID card.  As it stands, it takes the ISP longer than the maximum 30-days allotted under the law (and this law is almost 50 years old, they haven't found a better way), if you move, you have to re-apply, you can't just get an updated card by showing a utility bill and some other documents like with a driver's license.  Almost every Illinois county also fails to report disqualifying info to the State Police, so people who shouldn't be allowed to keep their cards end up keeping them.  It was a punitive measure born of racial paranoia by the Chicago machine in response to the civil rights movement.  That's why under "Race" there are three checkboxes:  Black, White, and Other.

I think all of Chicago's and Cook County's gun laws should be invalidated, but I'm not big on "constitutional carry."  Carrying a gun in public is something that should be regulated reasonably.  Of course, if Springfield fails to come up with legislation then so be it.

/a lot of anti-gun politicians are under the impression that by allowing concealed carry, they're in a position to get "compromise" and attach a slew of anti-gun proposals to a concealed carry bill
//Illinois is getting concealed carry regardless of what the legislature does


Geez, dude, you sound knowledgeable and reasonable. I'm kind of at a loss.
2013-04-20 11:12:57 AM
1 votes:
COOL tag?  Does this mean subby likes crime?
2013-04-20 11:11:03 AM
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Lionel Mandrake: Silly Jesus: I love that they are continuing to ignore the real problem out of political correctness.  The problem, Illinois, is a certain culture that exists in your largest city, not the average lawful gun owner.

And what's the solution?


If only there was some place they could be sent, like a farm or something. They could get room and board in exchange for agricultural work. Pretty sweet deal if you ask me.
 
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