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(ABC Local)   Concealed carry fails in Illinois House. This is good news for gun owners because if they don't pass one in the next few weeks you can carry any gun you want any time you want in the Land of Lincoln   (abclocal.go.com) divider line 331
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2013-04-20 08:11:05 AM  
ROFL

Would this invalidate the need to have a FOID card?
I love the fact that this could overrule any and all chicago laws by default.

/as much as you and I might be against gun ownership, illinois is the ONLY state left which does not permit concealed carry.
/strange but true
 
2013-04-20 09:00:09 AM  

namatad: ROFL

Would this invalidate the need to have a FOID card?
I love the fact that this could overrule any and all chicago laws by default.

/as much as you and I might be against gun ownership, illinois is the ONLY state left which does not permit concealed carry.
/strange but true


No, but it should.  At minimum there should be no charge for the FOID card.  As it stands, it takes the ISP longer than the maximum 30-days allotted under the law (and this law is almost 50 years old, they haven't found a better way), if you move, you have to re-apply, you can't just get an updated card by showing a utility bill and some other documents like with a driver's license.  Almost every Illinois county also fails to report disqualifying info to the State Police, so people who shouldn't be allowed to keep their cards end up keeping them.  It was a punitive measure born of racial paranoia by the Chicago machine in response to the civil rights movement.  That's why under "Race" there are three checkboxes:  Black, White, and Other.

I think all of Chicago's and Cook County's gun laws should be invalidated, but I'm not big on "constitutional carry."  Carrying a gun in public is something that should be regulated reasonably.  Of course, if Springfield fails to come up with legislation then so be it.

/a lot of anti-gun politicians are under the impression that by allowing concealed carry, they're in a position to get "compromise" and attach a slew of anti-gun proposals to a concealed carry bill
//Illinois is getting concealed carry regardless of what the legislature does
 
2013-04-20 10:29:57 AM  

Silly Jesus: I love that they are continuing to ignore the real problem out of political correctness.  The problem, Illinois, is a certain culture that exists in your largest city, not the average lawful gun owner.


"Hurrr, the real problem is the blacks!"

Chicago's ghetto culture is about far more than just skin tone.....
 
2013-04-20 10:48:14 AM  

namatad: Would this invalidate the need to have a FOID card?


Please please please
 
2013-04-20 11:00:19 AM  

edmo: namatad: Would this invalidate the need to have a FOID card?

Please please please


I think a really good civil rights lawyer could effectively argue that the fee on FOID cards is in fact a poll tax and therefore unconstitutional.
 
2013-04-20 11:01:16 AM  

Silly Jesus: I love that they are continuing to ignore the real problem out of political correctness.  The problem, Illinois, is a certain culture that exists in your largest city, not the average lawful gun owner.


And what's the solution?
 
2013-04-20 11:01:25 AM  
Illinois Democrats can't manage to pass anything except tax increases, so I wouldn't expect that they'll resolve this any time soon.

Someone should throw a CC party in Chicago if the legislature can't get their shiat together.
 
2013-04-20 11:02:02 AM  

Fark It: namatad: ROFL

Would this invalidate the need to have a FOID card?
I love the fact that this could overrule any and all chicago laws by default.

/as much as you and I might be against gun ownership, illinois is the ONLY state left which does not permit concealed carry.
/strange but true

No, but it should.  At minimum there should be no charge for the FOID card.  As it stands, it takes the ISP longer than the maximum 30-days allotted under the law (and this law is almost 50 years old, they haven't found a better way), if you move, you have to re-apply, you can't just get an updated card by showing a utility bill and some other documents like with a driver's license.  Almost every Illinois county also fails to report disqualifying info to the State Police, so people who shouldn't be allowed to keep their cards end up keeping them.  It was a punitive measure born of racial paranoia by the Chicago machine in response to the civil rights movement.  That's why under "Race" there are three checkboxes:  Black, White, and Other.

I think all of Chicago's and Cook County's gun laws should be invalidated, but I'm not big on "constitutional carry."  Carrying a gun in public is something that should be regulated reasonably.  Of course, if Springfield fails to come up with legislation then so be it.

/a lot of anti-gun politicians are under the impression that by allowing concealed carry, they're in a position to get "compromise" and attach a slew of anti-gun proposals to a concealed carry bill
//Illinois is getting concealed carry regardless of what the legislature does


This is Illinois you're talking about...
 
2013-04-20 11:02:39 AM  

Fark It: Silly Jesus: I love that they are continuing to ignore the real problem out of political correctness.  The problem, Illinois, is a certain culture that exists in your largest city, not the average lawful gun owner.

"Hurrr, the real problem is the blacks!"

Chicago's ghetto culture is about far more than just skin tone.....


And Chicago's problem with violence is about far more than just guns....
 
2013-04-20 11:02:41 AM  

Fark It: Silly Jesus: I love that they are continuing to ignore the real problem out of political correctness.  The problem, Illinois, is a certain culture that exists in your largest city, not the average lawful gun owner.

"Hurrr, the real problem is the blacks!"

Chicago's ghetto culture is about far more than just skin tone.....


That's why he said:

Silly Jesus: is a certain culture that exists in your largest city



You brought up color, you farking racist.
 
2013-04-20 11:05:07 AM  
Guns are gay.
 
2013-04-20 11:06:04 AM  

Lsherm: Illinois Democrats can't manage to pass anything except tax increases, so I wouldn't expect that they'll resolve this any time soon.

Someone should throw a CC party in Chicago if the legislature can't get their shiat together.


CC?  Why not open-carry?  The city of Chicago is close to 9-figures when it comes to payouts for police brutality/misconduct settlements this year, a bunch of open-carriers getting abused would vault them into oil-spill/poisoning groundwater territory....
 
2013-04-20 11:07:08 AM  

Lsherm: Fark It: Silly Jesus: I love that they are continuing to ignore the real problem out of political correctness.  The problem, Illinois, is a certain culture that exists in your largest city, not the average lawful gun owner.

"Hurrr, the real problem is the blacks!"

Chicago's ghetto culture is about far more than just skin tone.....

That's why he said:

Silly Jesus: is a certain culture that exists in your largest city


You brought up color, you farking racist.


I'm sorry, I can't hear you over that dog-whistle.
 
2013-04-20 11:07:10 AM  

macadamnut: Guns are gay.


0/10 wouldn't read again.
 
2013-04-20 11:07:37 AM  

macadamnut: Guns are gay.


Armed gays don't get bashed.
 
2013-04-20 11:08:18 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: Silly Jesus: I love that they are continuing to ignore the real problem out of political correctness.  The problem, Illinois, is a certain culture that exists in your largest city, not the average lawful gun owner.

And what's the solution?


There is no easy solution.  The conditions that led to that situation built up over generations, and it will take generations to change both the conditions and the culture, and like the old joke about the psychiatrist and the lightbulb, that culture has to *WANT* to change:  It can't be imposed upon them from the outside.

There are some incentives we can enact, and perverse incentives we can remove.

Certainly, gun control was tried:  Handguns were completely banned in Chicago (existing permits were grandfathered), and that didn't stop or even slow down the crime.
 
2013-04-20 11:08:51 AM  

Molavian: macadamnut: Guns are gay.

Armed gays don't get bashed.


Though I'm totally ok with this.
 
2013-04-20 11:09:15 AM  
Oh, the cops are going to love that.
 
2013-04-20 11:11:03 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: Silly Jesus: I love that they are continuing to ignore the real problem out of political correctness.  The problem, Illinois, is a certain culture that exists in your largest city, not the average lawful gun owner.

And what's the solution?


If only there was some place they could be sent, like a farm or something. They could get room and board in exchange for agricultural work. Pretty sweet deal if you ask me.
 
2013-04-20 11:12:08 AM  

Molavian: macadamnut: Guns are gay.

Armed gays don't get bashed.


Not only that, but I thought calling stuff you don't like "gay" was wrong.  So I'm assuming that calling guns gay means that they're actually fabulous.

And I'd totally agree with that.
 
2013-04-20 11:12:11 AM  
4.bp.blogspot.com

I expect the discussion in this thread to be reasoned and measured.
 
2013-04-20 11:12:45 AM  

T-Servo: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 425x460]

I expect the discussion in this thread to be reasoned and measured.


And based on your pic, slightly erotic?

...is there a field for 'gun erotica'?
 
2013-04-20 11:12:57 AM  
COOL tag?  Does this mean subby likes crime?
 
2013-04-20 11:14:24 AM  
Because as we all know, is the only thing that couldve saved those people in Boston from bad guys with pressure cookers are good guys with pressure cookers.
 
2013-04-20 11:14:34 AM  
I guess this is where the anti-gun Farkers come out and start screaming that if they pass concealed carry that there "Will be rivers of blood running in the streets", because, you know, that hasn't happened anywhere else when the same laws were passed??
 
2013-04-20 11:14:39 AM  

Capo Del Bandito: T-Servo: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 425x460]

I expect the discussion in this thread to be reasoned and measured.

And based on your pic, slightly erotic?

...is there a field for 'gun erotica'?


http://bit.ly/Hq0QP1

SFW
 
2013-04-20 11:14:46 AM  
My take on this is that concealed carry and open carry would both be legal if nothing is passed.
 
GBB
2013-04-20 11:15:06 AM  
Yee Haw!
simpsonswiki.net
 
2013-04-20 11:15:35 AM  

CaptainCliche: Lionel Mandrake: Silly Jesus: I love that they are continuing to ignore the real problem out of political correctness.  The problem, Illinois, is a certain culture that exists in your largest city, not the average lawful gun owner.

And what's the solution?

If only there was some place they could be sent, like a farm or something. They could get room and board in exchange for agricultural work. Pretty sweet deal if you ask me.


I didn't know you were a teabagger
 
2013-04-20 11:16:34 AM  

Fark It: namatad: ROFL

Would this invalidate the need to have a FOID card?
I love the fact that this could overrule any and all chicago laws by default.

/as much as you and I might be against gun ownership, illinois is the ONLY state left which does not permit concealed carry.
/strange but true

No, but it should.  At minimum there should be no charge for the FOID card.  As it stands, it takes the ISP longer than the maximum 30-days allotted under the law (and this law is almost 50 years old, they haven't found a better way), if you move, you have to re-apply, you can't just get an updated card by showing a utility bill and some other documents like with a driver's license.  Almost every Illinois county also fails to report disqualifying info to the State Police, so people who shouldn't be allowed to keep their cards end up keeping them.  It was a punitive measure born of racial paranoia by the Chicago machine in response to the civil rights movement.  That's why under "Race" there are three checkboxes:  Black, White, and Other.

I think all of Chicago's and Cook County's gun laws should be invalidated, but I'm not big on "constitutional carry."  Carrying a gun in public is something that should be regulated reasonably.  Of course, if Springfield fails to come up with legislation then so be it.

/a lot of anti-gun politicians are under the impression that by allowing concealed carry, they're in a position to get "compromise" and attach a slew of anti-gun proposals to a concealed carry bill
//Illinois is getting concealed carry regardless of what the legislature does


Geez, dude, you sound knowledgeable and reasonable. I'm kind of at a loss.
 
2013-04-20 11:16:59 AM  

Anderson's Pooper: My take on this is that concealed carry and open carry would both be legal if nothing is passed.


That's exactly what would happen.  I'm pro-gun and I don't want that to happen, I think that guns in public can and should be regulated.
 
2013-04-20 11:17:20 AM  

aNihilV10L8tr: Because as we all know, is the only thing that couldve saved those people in Boston from bad guys with pressure cookers are good guys with pressure cookers.


It certainly took guys with guns to stop them once they were found, didn't it?
 
2013-04-20 11:17:47 AM  

Anderson's Pooper: My take on this is that concealed carry and open carry would both be legal if nothing is passed.


WI had open carry by default up until last year when they passed a concealed carry.
 
2013-04-20 11:19:48 AM  

Fark It: http://bit.ly/Hq0QP1

SFW


Yeah you took me to women's gun apparel. I'm asking is there a fetish for guys/girls/whoever that want to see women with guns in various poses?
 
2013-04-20 11:19:52 AM  
I say, fark conceal carry and issue only an unconcealed carry.  You man/woman enough to carry a gun be man/woman enough to show it
 
2013-04-20 11:20:17 AM  

Carousel Beast: aNihilV10L8tr: Because as we all know, is the only thing that couldve saved those people in Boston from bad guys with pressure cookers are good guys with pressure cookers.

It certainly took guys with guns to stop them once they were found, didn't it?


Yeah...maybe we should rethink all those calls to disarm the police...
 
2013-04-20 11:20:22 AM  

CaptainCliche: Lionel Mandrake: Silly Jesus: I love that they are continuing to ignore the real problem out of political correctness.  The problem, Illinois, is a certain culture that exists in your largest city, not the average lawful gun owner.

And what's the solution?

If only there was some place they could be sent, like a farm or something. They could get room and board in exchange for agricultural work. Pretty sweet deal if you ask me.


We have that now with for-profit prisons and the drug war...
 
2013-04-20 11:20:49 AM  

BigRightRear: COOL tag?  Does this mean subby likes crime?


Your statement is apt; allowing concealed carry of firearms without a permit will substantially increase rates of violent crime, as is evident by the unbearably high crime rate observed in Vermont.
 
2013-04-20 11:21:19 AM  
And bad news for reasonable citizens.
 
2013-04-20 11:21:40 AM  

Carousel Beast: aNihilV10L8tr: Because as we all know, is the only thing that couldve saved those people in Boston from bad guys with pressure cookers are good guys with pressure cookers.

It certainly took guys with guns to stop them once they were found, didn't it?


And judging by the pictures, the ones they had were "Ar-15 fully automatic assault murder rifle weapons with large high capacity bullet magazine ammunition clip feeder devices" too!  I'm surprised anyone in the entire city survived that...
 
2013-04-20 11:22:03 AM  

Capo Del Bandito: Fark It: http://bit.ly/Hq0QP1

SFW

Yeah you took me to women's gun apparel. I'm asking is there a fetish for guys/girls/whoever that want to see women with guns in various poses?


>not clicking on the Image search results
 
2013-04-20 11:22:21 AM  

Farkage: I guess this is where the anti-gun Farkers come out and start screaming that if they pass concealed carry that there "Will be rivers of blood running in the streets", because, you know, that hasn't happened anywhere else when the same laws were passed??


Those voices in your head, they aren't really very bright. Maybe some new meds?

/Why is it the most ardent "gun rights advocates" always seem to be in need of help with their brains?
 
2013-04-20 11:22:56 AM  
Gun laws have long divided Illinois along geographical lines, not necessarily political ones. Democrats in Chicago worry about street violence, while Democrats and Republicans in other parts of the state stand by the 2nd Amendment.

Really, Chicago? Really? 532 murders in 2012, and you worry that allowing law-abiding citizens the means to protect themselves is going to make it worse?

Wow.
 
2013-04-20 11:23:06 AM  

BigBooper: Fark It: Silly Jesus: I love that they are continuing to ignore the real problem out of political correctness.  The problem, Illinois, is a certain culture that exists in your largest city, not the average lawful gun owner.

"Hurrr, the real problem is the blacks!"

Chicago's ghetto culture is about far more than just skin tone.....

And Chicago's problem with violence is about far more than just guns....


But guns at least allow the residents to fend for themselves where government is failing.
If they go concealed carry its going to be interesting to see how crime rates there repond.

So far as concealed carry bans, if I recall Hawaii and the US territories still have bans on carry and heavily restricted ownership (where its even allowed).
Getting all stats in on concealed carry would be a big win for us on the fringes.
 
2013-04-20 11:23:41 AM  

ghare: Farkage: I guess this is where the anti-gun Farkers come out and start screaming that if they pass concealed carry that there "Will be rivers of blood running in the streets", because, you know, that hasn't happened anywhere else when the same laws were passed??

Those voices in your head, they aren't really very bright. Maybe some new meds?

/Why is it the most ardent "gun rights advocates" always seem to be in need of help with their brains?


Are you honestly trying to say that argument hasn't been repeated over and over and over?  Because it's quite easy to prove otherwise.
 
2013-04-20 11:24:04 AM  

Fark It: >not clicking on the Image search results


You missed the point of my question but that's ok. I forgive you. You're still human.
 
2013-04-20 11:24:31 AM  

LarryDan43: Anderson's Pooper: My take on this is that concealed carry and open carry would both be legal if nothing is passed.

WI had open carry by default up until last year when they passed a concealed carry.


I don't believe this. I did not read anywhere about the streets of Milwaukee running red with blood (which of course is what would have happened).
 
2013-04-20 11:25:37 AM  

soia: I say, fark conceal carry and issue only an unconcealed carry.  You man/woman enough to carry a gun be man/woman enough to show it


Police officers in Louisville, Kentucky prefer that citizens who carry firearms keep those firearms concealed. For what reason do you have police officers?
 
2013-04-20 11:25:47 AM  

Silly Jesus: I love that they are continuing to ignore the real problem out of political correctness.  The problem, Illinois, is a certain culture that exists in your largest city, not the average lawful gun owner.


Your right - it is a cultural problem, and prohibitive laws won't fix it. If you think the "cultural problem" is limited to our urban ghettos - I must LOL at you pathetic self-delusion.
 
2013-04-20 11:26:15 AM  

JosephFinn: And bad news for reasonable citizens.


Please explain and justify your assertion. As you are known to lie regarding firearm-related issues, for what reason should you be believed?
 
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