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2013-04-19 10:28:01 PM
13 votes:

One of my heroes for today:


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2013-04-19 10:22:56 PM
13 votes:
To repeat,  Obama saying terrorists failed because Boston refused to be intimidated and we refused to be terrorized.

Give me a farking break. We cowered, just like we do at the mere thought of all terrorism. 2 kids set of a couple bombs and we competely shut down a major city, divert the national attention, deploy insane amounts of resources and top it all off by not Mirandizing the guy.

I'm honestly sickened right now and the 'celebrating' all this crap.

I wish I had more confidence, but we're knowingly letting innocent people starve to death in Gitmo and we not only don't help them, but a majority of AMericans probably are happy to see them die even though the US government has officially proclaimed them innocent.

Label someone a terrorist in this country and I have zero confidence in our rule of law.
2013-04-19 11:34:14 PM
9 votes:
If I may put out a possible theory to motive, I don't think White hat's heart was really in this. This seemed to be all his brother's plan. Look at how they dressed on monday, Black Hat, while suspicious, was almost impossible to get an ID on. White hat? He didn't try to hide himself at all. Friends and schoolmates of White hat all say he was a great kid and I have to say, I saw his twitter feed and russian facebook page and I really didn't see anything outright damning on there. The only thing political I saw was video put out by Syrian rebels saying that the secular Assad was attacking them because of faith. Nothing else he posted was religious in nature.

His brother had motive to do something rash. He wasn't liked in America (or at least had no friends), he couldn't understand Americans, he had dislike for our ways of money, sex and material possessions (his brother however, said his goal was to have a career and money), and he was snubbed a chance to box in the Olympics for the US.

That snubbing probably is what set him off. We've all talked about symbolism of this attack, why someone would hit a marathon of all things. The bombs were placed at the finish line, of an event that takes a great deal of perseverance, strength and endurance to accomplish. It is by no means an easy task. When you cross that finish line, you do something truly noteworthy. So why not destroy those dreams like his dreams were destroyed?

From there, he convinces his little brother (who probably looked up to him) about how the US, their adoptive country of which they held no ill will towards, snubbed this three time golden glove winner's chance for an Olympic gold and to prove his dedication to his country and/or homeland (he had hoped to play for either the US or Chechnya).

Black hat takes them on a chase, and massive gun battle, of which he goes down. Now White Hat is scared and lost. His only motivation for doing this is dead, he has no direction, he's probably injured, covered in the blood of both him and his brother, and now he's got every cop in the state and many federal agents, hunting his ass through a borough of Boston. Dude gets away from that first encounter and hides. At somepoint, he decides this isn't worth fighting over and eventually gives up.

But this is just my theory as to why the bombing happened and who was really responsible. I've heard nothing damning about the White Hat to prove he was behind this. His actions on Monday are not at all excusable, but if we're gonna treat him fairly in the court of law, I don't think he'll be shown as the mastermind of the plot.

That said, fark you ABC for the crap you were saying about his russian facebook account. NPR looked at the same thing and found nothing at all conclusive that showed motive, be it politics or religion. You? You took the same exact page, declared that there was all this shiat about politics and religion and how he's been on islamic fundamentalist sites and everything and the  only example you provide that he went there or showed interest in anything remotely related was the goddamn video by Syrian rebels. That's it.

If you're gonna call yourselves journalists and report the news as fact, then it should be made up of facts, not conjecture, not opinion. Those are not news. Making wild accusations and then trying to prove it with only one piece of evidence is not proof. You have ethics and integrity to uphold and here you are bashing a guy by making him to be worse than he is. It's like saying that Hitler was evil  and he palled around with the Devil on weekends. You won't show proof, but it's there, we just have to trust you. You want to blow this out of proportion, that's fine. But I'm getting my news from NPR and not believing the crap you tell me. You had your chance to be better than FOX and you blew that out of the water.

Fark you ABC and Fark you Diane Sawyer.

He did something horrible and inexcusable but you shouldn't have to make shiat up to make him look bad, his own actions did that.

/yes yes, I know. I'm a terrorist sympathizer
//I also believe that you should get a fair trial in the court of public opinion too
///He's damned anyway, why kick him in the balls with total bullshiat.
////I hope he's recovering right next to his victims, so they can sit there and tell him all the shiat that he caused them
2013-04-19 10:29:43 PM
9 votes:
For fark's sake.
Stop it, I know it's an internet argument, but all of you, farking stop it.
Stop using this asshole, this whole incident, as a means to further your own farking agenda. It's only making it worse, it's only making this guy more important than he thinks he is: The facts are... This man is a psycho, and he hurt many innocent people, and he must be put to trial, the victims and the city must be aided to rise above the incident, and justice must be done through trial.
That. Is Farking. It.
Everything else is furious masturbation.
2013-04-19 10:25:53 PM
9 votes:

worlddan: High Fives for what? Near as I can tell it was a lot of wasted tax dollars. The police didn't even find him, some guy checking his yard did. Just think, if the police hadn't scared the hell out of everyone and so they stayed inside he would have been found hours ago. Well, more overtime for all the police; I can't wait to see the bill on that. I bet the police union will want a new contract now. For nothing. If these dimwits bombers had even half a brain they never would have been caught be these stooges.

EMBARRASSING


yeah, yeah you are.
2013-04-19 10:23:56 PM
9 votes:
High Fives for what? Near as I can tell it was a lot of wasted tax dollars. The police didn't even find him, some guy checking his yard did. Just think, if the police hadn't scared the hell out of everyone and so they stayed inside he would have been found hours ago. Well, more overtime for all the police; I can't wait to see the bill on that. I bet the police union will want a new contract now. For nothing. If these dimwits bombers had even half a brain they never would have been caught be these stooges.

EMBARRASSING
2013-04-19 10:23:25 PM
9 votes:

Revek: Crap they took him  alive.


I want this prick to live the rest of his life behind bars. Death is the easy way out.
2013-04-19 10:37:27 PM
7 votes:

DamnYankees: To repeat,  Obama saying terrorists failed because Boston refused to be intimidated and we refused to be terrorized.

Give me a farking break. We cowered, just like we do at the mere thought of all terrorism. 2 kids set of a couple bombs and we competely shut down a major city, divert the national attention, deploy insane amounts of resources and top it all off by not Mirandizing the guy.

I'm honestly sickened right now and the 'celebrating' all this crap.

I wish I had more confidence, but we're knowingly letting innocent people starve to death in Gitmo and we not only don't help them, but a majority of AMericans probably are happy to see them die even though the US government has officially proclaimed them innocent.

Label someone a terrorist in this country and I have zero confidence in our rule of law.


So what would have been your preferred scenario? To have ignored what happened last night, let him flee, treat everything as just another annoying incident, nevermind the dead and wounded still in the hospitals--the same hospitals where the dead man was taken and where the injured suspect is now being treated--and then hope over the next few days or weeks he didn't set off more bombs or that nobody tripped over any he might have set? I might also remind you that the lockdown didn't take place because "two kids set bombs." That was Monday. The lockdown took place because two individuals killed one cop, carjacked an innocent person, got into a running gun battle with half of Boston PD that included throwing other IEDs out the windows at them, and included the theft of at least one other car and the wounding of at least one other police officer.. That is not "two kids" anymore, that is two extremely dangerous, desperate criminals who need to be caught or killed for the safety of the public.

And in re the lack of Miranda, I've already heard on the news they are doing this with full knowledge of the fact that anything the guy might say between now and his eventual Mirandizing will be unusable in court, and that a confession is not as important right now as any information they might get from him about other devices, possible co-conspirators, and additional threats to public safety.

So get down off your idealistic high horse and join the real world. Save the moralizing for Utopia when you move there.
2013-04-19 10:30:24 PM
7 votes:

Olfin Bedwere: So this will free up Obama's schedule so he can visit West, Texas, right? I certainly hope so, and I'm not being snarky about it.


Think about how crazy this week has been.  There's a mushroom cloud over a city in Texas, 20 people dead, 200 injured and it's back page news.

An Elvis impersonator sending ricin-poisoned letters to the President and Congress is the third craziest news story this week.
2013-04-19 10:25:54 PM
7 votes:

DamnYankees: To repeat...


...as I was just mentioning when the last thread got kiboshed, considering the media's batting average this week I'm hardly surprised they'd cite it as they did. And, if it's the AG's spouting that crap, I'm genuinely disappointed -- but hardly surprised -- in them they'd continue this Bush-era bullshiat.

The kid is a naturalized citizen. He has rights, deserves his day in court and so does Boston and the rest of the country. We're not frickin' Syria.
2013-04-19 10:25:44 PM
7 votes:

DamnYankees: To repeat,  Obama saying terrorists failed because Boston refused to be intimidated and we refused to be terrorized.

Give me a farking break. We cowered, just like we do at the mere thought of all terrorism. 2 kids set of a couple bombs and we competely shut down a major city, divert the national attention, deploy insane amounts of resources and top it all off by not Mirandizing the guy.

I'm honestly sickened right now and the 'celebrating' all this crap.

I wish I had more confidence, but we're knowingly letting innocent people starve to death in Gitmo and we not only don't help them, but a majority of AMericans probably are happy to see them die even though the US government has officially proclaimed them innocent.

Label someone a terrorist in this country and I have zero confidence in our rule of law.


Like I've said in other threads.. its more about a consensus of lets get these MotherFarkers... no cowering involved, but people recognizing that catching these guys are more important than making a meeting in the financial district, or going to a Sox game.
2013-04-19 10:22:19 PM
7 votes:

Revek: Crap they took him  alive.


Dead men tell no tales.  Need this one to talk.
2013-04-19 10:31:54 PM
6 votes:

r1niceboy: I'm astonished by how little the media in this country know about the ethnic Chechen nationalists. By the time the information about the survivor's political and religious beliefs are known and available, people won't care and will be back to wondering what Kim Kardashian will name her crotch fruit. I'm glad they got him alive, and am curious to see how someone who came to the US when they were a child could become radicalized.

This would be a good opportunity to learn why some people feel they must become a terrorist. We won't learn it though if there's something shiny to look at elsewhere.


You know what's really sad about the Chechen rebels?

They were secular. All they wanted was freedom for their people.Russia denied them this, and in their midst the jihadis took over the cause.

There's a lesson to be learned there on both sides.
2013-04-19 10:31:06 PM
6 votes:
Just remember: Sunil Tripathi is still missing. We could make it up to the family who was sent death threats after he was erroneously identified as an accomplice by trying to find him.
2013-04-19 10:29:24 PM
6 votes:

worlddan: High Fives for what? Near as I can tell it was a lot of wasted tax dollars. The police didn't even find him, some guy checking his yard did. Just think, if the police hadn't scared the hell out of everyone and so they stayed inside he would have been found hours ago. Well, more overtime for all the police; I can't wait to see the bill on that. I bet the police union will want a new contract now. For nothing. If these dimwits bombers had even half a brain they never would have been caught be these stooges.

EMBARRASSING


Hrm.  Ok, I might as well be the guy to break this to you.  Trolling isn't something cutting edge, or witty, or unique, or even anything interesting.  Trolling is a bland carbon copy of a carbon copy of a carbon copy of something that might've been halfway amusing at one point.  The meaning is long gone.  Trolling is something people do when they literally have nothing worthwhile to bring to any conversation ever.  I'm quite sure that to your ears, you're hearing gold-bearing comedy.  But it's an illusion.  All we're hearing with our ears is the same droning sound of yet another internet fool pathetically scraping the bottom of the barrel.

Your father has obviously neglected your upbringing and thinks nothing of having such an ignorant child bear his family name.  I am embarrassed for the both of you.
2013-04-19 10:27:20 PM
6 votes:

DamnYankees: 2 kids set of a couple bombs and we competely shut down a major city


The shut down of the city was today when the police had varying reports of potential bombs all over the place and who knows what else. There was no cowering, just erring on the side of safety for a few hours to make sure no one got blown up or otherwise hurt/killed. As for the Miranda thing, there's a long stand public safety exemption and it only lasts 48 hours.
2013-04-19 10:34:28 PM
5 votes:
The city of Boston may celebrate. They've been thorugh hell. My sister has spent 2 of the last 5 days quarantined in her room. Sometimes scared to go out. I don't blame her. Now they got the guy it really allows us to step back and remember the heroes. The cops, first responders, ambulance personnel, and don't forget the ER/OR doctors who had to deal with the sudden rush of patients and make a lot of hard decisions.

Hats off Boston.

/Sam Adams brewery is probably working double time now.
2013-04-19 10:29:49 PM
5 votes:

Stoj: Turns out no Miranda rights after all.

Thanks Obama!


So this again?

1a)  The government gets 48 hours under the public safety exception to question him about other parties involved, IEDs he or his brother planted, where the bomb making equipment is, etc.

1b)  What they learn during this time is not automatically able to be used in court.  They can use it against other people and to wrap up the investigation, but is no assurance whatever he admits to will be allowed in court and used against him.

1c)  It's a moot point anyway, because I really doubt the US Attorney needs a confession to nail his ass to the wall over this, unless she is a total failure.

2)  He is likely not considered competent to understand his Miranda rights due to his loss of blood and all the drugs the paramedics and hospital are pumping into him.  It could very well be he was not given the Miranda Warning due to the fact he was non responsive from blood loss and generally in bad shape.  In many cases the cops will drag you into the ER and arrest you, but not question you until the doctors have cleaned you up.  They will wait until the doctors sign off that you're all there before reading your rights.  This is done to avoid any kind of "he said/she said" about whether you were read your rights as they shoved you into the ambulance.  Instead they wait to begin the entire process until after medical attention is provided and perhaps even your lawyer has arrived (if your family gets you one) to make everything appear above board.
2013-04-19 10:26:24 PM
5 votes:

Stoj: Turns out no Miranda rights after all.

Thanks Obama!


Let's just nip this in the bud:

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/law-enforcement-bulle ti n/february2011/legal_digest

The feds can legally question him about things which are of an immediate concern to public safety, like say all those damn bombs he and his brother scattered around the place.  None of what they ask him can be used in court, and if they stray away from questions concerning public safety the feds can have the crap sued out of them.

They aren't Mirandizing him because it's more important to find the rest of the bombs than it is to build a case against him.  Once they clear the area he'll be read his rights.
2013-04-19 10:25:45 PM
5 votes:
Who wants to start a 5th Amendment version of the NRA with me? Imagine if 41 or so Senators filibustered the Patriot Act after 9/11 because "legislating during a time of emotion is a bad idea."  Imagine if congresscritters snuck ANTI Gitmo language into totally unrelated spending bills? Etc.
2013-04-19 10:22:08 PM
5 votes:
Those men & women should be very proud that this was resolved without further loss of life. No civilians shot by police, no recklessness, etc.

Good show, Boston & FBI.
2013-04-20 03:35:18 AM
4 votes:
I'm just glad this guy is in custody, and that no one else got hurt in the chaos. Whether the Commonwealth or Feds try this guy, as long as he gets a fair trial, I'll be a happy man. We are a country of laws, this is an American citizen, and he is due his rights. If we do not give him a jury trial, the Jihadists will point at us and say "See? The Hypocrites in America claim to believe in freedom, but when it comes to a Muslim they will throw him in a box to rot!"

We simply cannot have that. I don't care what they think of us particularly, but we should not give them additional ammo to use in creating a new generation of Jihadists.
2013-04-20 01:33:35 AM
4 votes:

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: They cheer not because an informed citizen noticed something odd


And why was he hiding in a boat in someone's back yard? Could it, perhaps, have something to do with thousands of law enforcement personnel creating a dragnet and going door-to-door through the neighborhood, making escape or finding a better hiding place impossible? If there is a bomb-throwing, homicidal maniac carjacking his way through my neighborhood, the cops can come the fark into my house if it saves lives. There are much more egregious civil rights issues confronting us right now than what law enforcement did for one day to ensure that NOT A SINGLE CIVILIAN was killed during the pursuit of these @ssholes.
2013-04-19 11:08:53 PM
4 votes:
DamnYankees: 2 kids set of a couple bombs and we competely shut down a major city

F you. An entire farking city came together and did what was necessary to help catch the bombers. People stayed home and the police were able to concentrate on the area where the bombers were known to be. If everyone was out, they would have been running all over town chasing ghosts and directing traffic and dealing with auto accidents. The people of Boston did not act like self-important asshats who couldn't possibly stay home from work or shut down their offices because their work is so freaking vital that it can't wait one single day.
2013-04-19 10:49:16 PM
4 votes:
cache.boston.com
2013-04-19 10:46:54 PM
4 votes:

derpy: DamnYankees: bobbette: Shutting down the city was  smart.  It kept people out of harm's way and out of the way of the cops trying to do their jobs.  It also eliminated the possibility of people trying to take out "terrorists" themselves.  "Stay the fark home, Boston" was a good call.

And this is different from any other dangerous criminal how? Should we shut cities down whenever there's someone armed and dangerous being looked for? Because that's like 90% of the time in some major city in this country.

I can't believe I'm biting but:

When there are five dead, including a cop assassinated, AND 200+ rounds being exchanged, AND explosives, yeah.

I think it's a good idea.

When it's not safe to go out, like during a blizzard or a hurricane or when a psycho the likes of which your city has never seen is on a known indiscriminate killing rampage, yes.  Stay indoors.


The best part there was never any order to stay inside.  No arrest or shoot on sight orders.  It was just the cops saying, "So we have so many IEDs we had to call in National Guard teams to help secure perimeters and disarm them, we have the FBI HRT in town, you know those guys who did times in organizations like Delta and SEALS before we hired them, and some crazy fark who gets into 200+ round shootouts, so we strongly suggest you keep your ass off the sidewalk and away from any windows for awhile."  That just sounds like professional common sense.  What are they supposed to say?  "Nah man, it's cool, go to the park, we'll just tell the guys to try to shoot around you with their MP-10s."?

It's like when the DOT says "Driving on these snow covered roads is a stupid idea" or your mechanic says "So yeah, you should install new brake pads if you ever want your car to stop again."
2013-04-19 10:46:24 PM
4 votes:
These assholes were driving around throwing grenades and IEDs out the windows, wearing suicide vests, getting into shootouts with (and killing) cops, and many of you are pretending to think some major constitutional violation occurred today because the police said, "everybody should stay inside for 12 hours."  Amazing.

These chucklefarks ended up only killing four people, were identified within two or three days, and neutralized within four days, and yet many of you are pretending to think that any constitutional protections short of "killed on site" are just annoying red tape to be ignored.  Also amazing.
2013-04-19 10:25:31 PM
4 votes:
What, the suspect's injuries require double leg amputations? Well, if you say so doc.
2013-04-20 02:08:40 AM
3 votes:

clyph: muck4doo: Boston PD and all the law enforcement did a great job here

The sad thing is you probably really believe that.

Boston PD's response was half keystone kops, half gestapo -  simultaneously heavy handed and comically incompetent.   Every break in the case came from private citizens; NONE of BPD's high-tech stormtrooper tactics bore any fruit whatsoever.  It's like a baseball team saying they got the out because some guy in the stands caught the ball.


Guns do not find people. Patience and observation find people! No matter what the police did, they were not particularly equipped to solve this. It's just that they were the ones who we expect to get in harm's way. Damn, reading this thread makes it look like Americans can only think of Chuck norris, when the real tools for the job would belong to Sherrlock Holmes. The police did just fine. So did the citizens. You should just enjoy the victory.

And instead of blaming the police for reality, you should also accept this as proof that more police, and more soldiers, cannot stop terrorists. Observant citizens stop terrorists and soldiers and police must respond to the citizens' lead.
2013-04-19 11:59:18 PM
3 votes:

GAT_00: theknuckler_33: I can NOT believe you are forcing me to agree with goofysavior. Dude... This was handled just about as well as could have possibly been expected. Seriously, what exactly was badly handled?

First, a random person was held on the ground for 15 minutes, allowing this guy to escape in the first place because they let their net collapse.  Then, after running in circles all night, they lost him, so they decided to more or less declare martial law in Boston.  Then, they proceeded to execute warrantless searches of Watertown, which completely failed to find the guy that was 5 miles away from where he was lost and hiding in a boat the entire time, and was found by said boat's owner.  Not one single thing the police did from the time he went to ground until the time he was found by the boat's owner was worth anything.

The only positive in all of this is the BPD didn't kill any random people.


Now I can say this without a problem:  both sides of the political aisle on Fark should STFU for a while, 'kay?  The farker got caught, the FBI and the BPD will (eventually) read him his rights.  Let's all sit the hell back, STFU, let the chips fall where they may, THEN we can start defending our political position and how this attack changes things.

I wanna hear the whole story on this guy AND his dead brother before we all pass judgment on this; and I say this as someone who'd love see the GOP go up flames as quickly as possible due to their innate political stupidity.
2013-04-19 11:34:28 PM
3 votes:

GAT_00: An entire city's police force failed to find a guy hiding in a boat 5 miles away from where they lost him the first time, and that's after taking away the rights of the entire city of Boston.  It's amazing how badly this was handled.


Hi. Bostonite here. Used to live in Watertown. Dunno if you saw the footage, but all my former neighbors were applauding the police after cooperating with them all day. No one felt put-out. And they caught them. SO either you're engaging in sarcasm and I missed it while posting in haste, or you're a dummy. And that's being generous. So kindly shut the fark up.
2013-04-19 11:29:17 PM
3 votes:
I'm not happy. I'm blown away. I thought the terrorist was a right wing Christian white man from Texas.  I'm just a sorry ass mess with a bum electric leg. Time for another scotch and soda.

www.thehayride.com
2013-04-19 11:14:37 PM
3 votes:

Clark W Griswald: scottydoesntknow: Clark W Griswald: US. Taking your rights away one nut bag at a time.

What rights were taken away?

Shutting down boston and all the future US cities to come. It's a precedent now and will continue in the future whether you believe it or not.


Seriously? Who else is biatching about the actions taken besides you? You don't even live here, why's it such a concern?

Cities can be shut down in a state of emergency. The fact that one of the guys murdered a cop, then went on a high speed chase throwing explosives out the window showed they were willing to take down as many people as possible (besides the marathon bombing of course). I believe that is a state of emergency.
2013-04-19 10:50:11 PM
3 votes:

BullBearMS: that bosnian sniper: DamnYankees: To repeat...

...as I was just mentioning when the last thread got kiboshed, considering the media's batting average this week I'm hardly surprised they'd cite it as they did. And, if it's the AG's spouting that crap, I'm genuinely disappointed -- but hardly surprised -- in them they'd continue this Bush-era bullshiat.

The kid is a naturalized citizen. He has rights, deserves his day in court and so does Boston and the rest of the country. We're not frickin' Syria.

After the Madrid bombings in Spain, they caught the criminals gave them an open trial in a real court of law and found them guilty.

After the London bombings, they caught the criminals, gave them a public trial in a real court of law and found them guilty.

After the Mumbai bombings in India, they caught the criminals, gave them a public trial in a real court of law and found them guilty.

How about we not be a bunch of pussies this time, America?


there's no indication we won't.

McVeigh - real court of law trial
Beltway sniper - real court of law trial
Underwear bomber - real court of law trial
Richard Reid - real court of law trial
This farkhead - HOLY CRAP IT'S GONNA BE DIFF... nah, it'll be a real court of law trial
2013-04-19 10:47:22 PM
3 votes:

that bosnian sniper: DamnYankees: To repeat...

...as I was just mentioning when the last thread got kiboshed, considering the media's batting average this week I'm hardly surprised they'd cite it as they did. And, if it's the AG's spouting that crap, I'm genuinely disappointed -- but hardly surprised -- in them they'd continue this Bush-era bullshiat.

The kid is a naturalized citizen. He has rights, deserves his day in court and so does Boston and the rest of the country. We're not frickin' Syria.


After the Madrid bombings in Spain, they caught the criminals gave them an open trial in a real court of law and found them guilty.

After the London bombings, they caught the criminals, gave them a public trial in a real court of law and found them guilty.

After the Mumbai bombings in India, they caught the criminals, gave them a public trial in a real court of law and found them guilty.

How about we not be a bunch of pussies this time, America?
2013-04-19 10:45:04 PM
3 votes:
Who the fark cares about all this political BS.  I am just happy that me and my 3 small kids can play outside again.  I am happy I have effing FEET to walk on.  I am happy my babies are alive and have all their limbs.  I am happy I can open my windows instead of suffocating on this hot day.  Worry about the politics, Obama this, tax dollars that tomorrow.  Just celebrate being alive and sleeping peaceful tonight.  With all your limbs and family members.
2013-04-19 10:41:13 PM
3 votes:

DamnYankees: bobbette: Shutting down the city was  smart.  It kept people out of harm's way and out of the way of the cops trying to do their jobs.  It also eliminated the possibility of people trying to take out "terrorists" themselves.  "Stay the fark home, Boston" was a good call.

And this is different from any other dangerous criminal how? Should we shut cities down whenever there's someone armed and dangerous being looked for? Because that's like 90% of the time in some major city in this country.


That's rather fatuous.

There's a rather clear difference between a team of people setting off IEDs at a crowded sporting event and going on a shooting rampage for over a day, and your run-of-the-mill carjacker with a gun.  One of those differences is that  these guys killed and wounded over a hundred people and had a clear intention to inflict civilian casualties for the hell of it. One would hope that point was obvious, but perhaps it isn't.

The run-of-the-mill carjacker with a gun is not setting out to kill as many people as possible and create a climate of fear.  In able to protect the public and perhaps more importantly, allow the public to  feel safe, capturing the terrorists as quickly as possible was necessary.  Not only because of their past crimes but because of the potential for them to commit additional crimes with high casualty counts.
2013-04-19 10:37:54 PM
3 votes:

Revek: Crap they took him  alive.


Yes, terribly inconvenient, I know. Totally ruins the whole John Wayne "guns a'blazin'" motif that we Americans do so dearly love.

So, let me ask you: What were their motivations?

What's that - You don't actually know?

Could they be the tip of the iceberg of a bigger plot? Are they part of a new and heretofore unknown terror organization? Could the bombings be the beginning of a concerted, long-term campaign of attacks within the US?

Well, without (at least one of) them alive, we might never know.

But, with one of them alive and (presumably) able to speak at some point in the future, we might gain some useful, actionable intelligence.

If it turns out they did this because they were just nuttier than squirrel turds, we might get some further insight into the type of mind that does these kinds of things. Might there have been red flags about these two that were missed, that no one other than Dzhokar or Tamerlan would be able to point out? Possibly. In this case, with interrogation still an available tool in the LEO arsenal, instead of a body bag, we get to find out.

Shooting first often means you don't get to ask questions later. And I'd sure like those questions to be asked.
2013-04-19 10:37:10 PM
3 votes:
They tried to make us pay their taxes...

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...And they failed.

They tried to beat us at a sport they were dominant at & keep our losing streak going...

cdn-2-service.phanfare.com

...And they failed...

They tried to kill our spirit, and to make us afraid to live our lives...

media.komonews.com

...And they failed.

Boston: the city of resilience, the city of champions.
2013-04-19 10:37:02 PM
3 votes:
It's disgusting that too many accept the idea that there's now a magic "terrorist" button, to be pushed whenever we feel like it, that turns off people's rights and puts them in an alternate universe of arbitrary extralegal punishment.

The likely result of NOT treating him as a "terrorist", recognizing all his rights, and having a regular trial that follows all the rules, is a conviction and life imprisonment in a SuperMax prison or possibly the death penalty. It's impossible to imagine any scenario where he somehow "gets off". How is this not good enough justice?

It's as though some "Americans" aren't happy unless we get to burn people at the stake, using the Constitution for tinder.
2013-04-19 10:36:52 PM
3 votes:

redsquid: FLMountainMan: Olfin Bedwere: So this will free up Obama's schedule so he can visit West, Texas, right? I certainly hope so, and I'm not being snarky about it.

Think about how crazy this week has been.  There's a mushroom cloud over a city in Texas, 20 people dead, 200 injured and it's back page news.

An Elvis impersonator sending ricin-poisoned letters to the President and Congress is the third craziest news story this week.

Wow. That put's it in perspective.


I'm 36 years old and I'm not sure there's ever been a crazier newsweek.  Other things that happened this week:

Three consecutive nights of riots in Brooklyn after police shot a teenage seven times.

The Boy Scouts agreed to accept (openly) gay members.  Probably.

The Texas District Attorney killings were solved - a former Justice of the Peace, fired for stealing three computer monitors, conspired with his wife to do it.

Pervez Musharraff was arrested in Pakistan.

Two dozen Bangladeshi migrant workers were shot by their boss in Greece after refusing to continue picking strawberries after not getting paid for six months.

And nobody will remember any of these.
2013-04-19 10:32:43 PM
3 votes:
for any jack*ss who is high-fiving or hell-yeahing or USA! USA! right now... that is exactly the type of behavior that fosters these tragedies.

breathe a sigh of relief, and then look inwards and examine yourself through the eyes of this suspect.

how many more national tragedies need to occur before Americans realize that we've squandered all of these recent learning opportunities (Aurora, Co., Sandy Hook, Boston marathon...).

the country will never learn and develop because it refuses to be taught.

/sad day to be an American indeed.
2013-04-19 10:27:37 PM
3 votes:

DamnYankees: Give me a farking break. We cowered, just like we do at the mere thought of all terrorism. 2 kids set of a couple bombs and we competely shut down a major city, divert the national attention, deploy insane amounts of resources and top it all off by not Mirandizing the guy.


Shutting down the city was  smart.  It kept people out of harm's way and out of the way of the cops trying to do their jobs.  It also eliminated the possibility of people trying to take out "terrorists" themselves.  "Stay the fark home, Boston" was a good call.

Within a day or two of the bombings they coordinated a massive manhunt and caught these guys, one of them alive.  They did good.

And they did Mirandize him, actually.
2013-04-19 10:27:36 PM
3 votes:
Some of you have a decision to make. You can continue to deny right wing conservative wackos did this or you can blame Islamic inspired terrorists. You can't do both.

/Congrats to Obama on yet another terrorist take down.
2013-04-19 10:26:33 PM
3 votes:

DamnYankees: To repeat,  Obama saying terrorists failed because Boston refused to be intimidated and we refused to be terrorized.

Give me a farking break. We cowered, just like we do at the mere thought of all terrorism. 2 kids set of a couple bombs and we competely shut down a major city, divert the national attention, deploy insane amounts of resources and top it all off by not Mirandizing the guy.

I'm honestly sickened right now and the 'celebrating' all this crap.

I wish I had more confidence, but we're knowingly letting innocent people starve to death in Gitmo and we not only don't help them, but a majority of AMericans probably are happy to see them die even though the US government has officially proclaimed them innocent.

Label someone a terrorist in this country and I have zero confidence in our rule of law.


Jesus Christ, are you dense? You cannot mirandize someone when they're not conscious or coherent enough to UNDERSTAND what you're saying to them. I would bet that when he wakes up they will invoke the 48 hour public safety exemption and then after that, once they're assured there is no IMMINENT THREAT he will be duly mirandized, as if he isn't already aware of his rights as >80% of the population is just from watching Law and Order, CSI, etc etc.
2013-04-20 05:14:21 AM
2 votes:

MmmmBacon: Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. Obama fooled us into thinking he was something different, but if we aren't diligent, we will repeat that mistake again in 2016.

We simply can't have that.
No Bush
No Obama



Nobody who appears on a ballot will do anything differently.
2013-04-20 03:14:58 AM
2 votes:
Wow, this thread sucks. You know what thread was awesome? The one in the middle of the night when the trolls and whiny biatches were asleep, and Farkers worked together to figure out just what exactly was going on in Watertown. That was an awesome thread.
2013-04-20 01:43:53 AM
2 votes:

machoprogrammer: The fact they stayed around the area (probably stupidest thing they could've done) makes me think they wanted to go down


Considering they didn't go on the lam immediately after the bombing, I suspect they thought that they got away with it. Going out in a blaze of glory in a shoot-out with the cops looks like a hastily-improvised B plan.

Big bro was a woman-beating, hyper-aggressive psycho with a chip on his shoulder.  Little bro either idolized his big brother and would have followed him anywhere, or was completely dominated by him.  Possibly both.
2013-04-20 01:41:54 AM
2 votes:

ThrobblefootSpectre: Grand_Moff_Joseph: ..and the Boston area mosque has already been vandalized

https://twitter.com/Ezaffar/status/325462951777673217/photo/1

And in the past 2 months several christian churches in that area have been vandalized.
http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2013/02/03/three-wilmington-churches -v andalized-police-say/tqnjRUEGG2p7WTXuX4eBnN/story.html
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/03/15/westport-church-offers-r ew ard-find-vandals/UGPePreRGluhYaTJd85nvJ/story.html
Not that anyone cares, or that they will be called a "hate crimes", or cause any hand wringing (or even be noticed at all) by the sensitive enlightened crowd. *Shrug*


It's us atheists.  We had a meeting last January to pick the city we would fark with, and Boston won.  We figured the secular seat of so much of American history, combined with such a pluralistic local culture, would make for a perfect statement.  Firebomb All the Churches!

Or I could be wrong.  That meeting was on a Sunday morning and I don't do much more than NFL pregame on Sundays before the beer starts at 11.
2013-04-20 01:37:08 AM
2 votes:

Boojum2k: Fubini: Grungehamster: it will be Benghazi all over again that Obama didn't arrest him back then when he could have prevented all this by locking him up back then.

It would be awesome if our president was a crime fighting super hero.

He's a fan of Spider-Man, but I think he'd probably make a pretty good Iron Man given his talent for snark.

Not saying I agree with him often, I don't, but I think he's a good guy.


You have to admit - he's like a good luck charm for the US since he's been elected... averted the financial meltdown, got Bin Laden, got the Boston bomber, got health care reform - it's like everything he's involved with turns out perfectly. Maybe we should seriously think about amending the constitution again to allow more than two terms for this guy. It couldn't hurt.
2013-04-20 01:24:29 AM
2 votes:
muck4doo: It was a great victory tonight, and we got the bad guys. Stop pissing all over it. I'm sure he'll be read his rights. Stop finding any excuse to be mad at this country.

I was hoping we could be a United States again, but some people just don't want that. Odd that they are the oes who cream the loudest that they are the best , most patriotic Americans, isn't it.
2013-04-20 01:23:13 AM
2 votes:

BullBearMS: andychrist420: No one is arguing against Mirandizing this guy

There's been a constant stream of excuses in this thread.

My favorite was that he might not have been fully conscious, as if you couldn't possibly read them to him again later.

Stop making excuses for extrajudicial behavior. America shouldn't behave like a bunch of pants wetting pussies who can't be bothered to follow their own laws when the word terrorism is mentioned.


Have you ever Mirandized someone? I have. The last part is kind of important too, where you ask someone if they understand these rights as they have been read to them. Stop spouting Hollywood style nonsense, this guy is going to be Mirandized and processed entirely in accordance with applicable Federal law, they aren't going to let a single thing that could give a halfway competent lawyer a fighting chance. He deserves a fair trial, but that does not mean he necessarily has or should have a chance of being found not guilty in one.
2013-04-20 01:21:36 AM
2 votes:
Hate to bring the partisan politics in, but I'm predicting right now: if the Washington Post's story that the FBI interviewed the older brother 2 years ago is true, it will be Benghazi all over again that Obama didn't arrest him back then when he could have prevented all this by locking him up back then. It won't matter if he actually was planning/actively linked to any terrorist groups back then will be irrelevant: this will be an outrage for a few months at least.
2013-04-20 01:13:48 AM
2 votes:

dark brew: cretinbob: The picture upthread shows a King airway being inserted. Yes, he's unconscious.

No, it doesn't.  That is your very generous interpretation of a single photo.  All I see is a non-rebreather, which is supported by the other photo which I posted still showing the NRB in place after he is loaded into the ambulance.


look again and post the second pic.


 i36.photobucket.com

Note he's holding it above the proximal cuff between two fingers. You can see the stylet. The distal cuff is just about to go in.
Maybe the attempt was unsuccesful and they switched to an NRB, but that's a King.

NRB
www.sharinginhealth.ca

King

www.kingsystems.com
2013-04-20 01:00:47 AM
2 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: The guys at Nuremberg tried that defense too.

Good point

tenpoundsofcheese:It is sick that people buy it and are terrorist apologists.

WTF? Why ruin a perfectly good comment with crap? Do you shiat all over yourself too?

Where is anyone defending terrorism? Or are you the kind of person that can't empathize with people you don't agree with? Are you so emotionally stunted that everything in your entire world is only ever wholly good or wholly evil?

Look at some of the photos of this guy. Prom dates. College student stuff. Run of the mill Facebook and Twitter accounts. Do you really think that this guy is wholly evil? Do you think that every time he tweeted or posted a status update he immediately followed it with thoughts of bloody carnage? When he drove his prom date home, do you think he was contemplating how to bomb innocent kids?

I don't believe that this guy was born with a black heart. Something about the world warped him. It doesn't excuse him of his crimes, just like it didn't excuse the Nazis at Nuremberg. Take a step back and see this guy for who he is: a person, who for most of his life was a normal person just like you and me. Just because I recognize these things doesn't mean I'm condoning his actions.
2013-04-20 12:57:41 AM
2 votes:
I think in the midst of all of this, and the fertilizer plant explosion in Texas, nobody has asked if Omarion is OK or if we need to pray for him.
2013-04-20 12:50:11 AM
2 votes:

Epiphany: ongbok: Epiphany: Peki: Totally blew me away that they were Russian

Chechen Muslims aren't Russians. Seriously, this thread is full of retards.

So what are they? Isn't Chechnya a region in Russia? So that makes them Russians. Eventhough they want there independence from Russia, they are still Russian. It is like saying that Texans aren't American.

It's like saying Palestinians were Israeli because they were an occupied nation.


No it isn't because Chechnya isn't considered occupied land by Russians. The Russian government considers Chechnya within the ancestral borders of Russia. That is one of the reasons why they refuse to grant them independence.

Spend a little time researching things before you go and spout off bullshiat and people may think a little better of you.
2013-04-20 12:47:25 AM
2 votes:

Tommy Moo: cretinbob: Tommy Moo: Pretty much. I have never understood why the left in this country is the group that defense these shiatbirds. Everything about Islam fundamentalist Christianity is regressive and right winged. They hate women and homosexuals, view science and modern medicine as human arrogance, and believe that apostasy carries a death sentence.

And that's the "moderate" ones. The only difference between moderate and fundamentalist Muslims is that moderate ones just believe abhorrent, right-winged horseshiat quietly, and aren't actively trying to murder us to spread it.

Yeah, the problem is fundamentalism, not which magic book you read.

"The distinction between 'fundamentalists' and 'moderates' has not really emerged in the Muslim world. Most Muslims are 'fundamentalist' in the sense that they really appear to believe that the Koran is the literal and inerrant word of God. In any case, Islamic fundamentalism is only a problem for us because the fundamentals of Islam are a problem for us. There is a pervasive piece of wishful thinking circulating among religious moderates, and it could get a lot of us killed. The idea is that all religions, at their core, teach the same thing. This is myth. The principal tenet of Jainism is non-harming. Observant Jains will literally not harm a fly. Fundamentalist Jainism and fundamentalist Islam do not have the same consequences, neither logically nor behaviorally. Read the Koran. Osama bin Laden is playing it more or less by the book. Anyone who says that there is no basis for his worldview in the doctrine of Islam is either dangerously ignorant or just dangerous.

"We must hope that the Muslim world is full of moderates who abhor the worldview of Osama bin Laden. But where are they? We cannot just assume that they exist. And the horrible truth is that if they do exist, they will be easily marginalized by their coreligionists."

-Sam Harris


How much do I have to hate Muslims to get you to shut the f**k up about it?  You prattle on and on and on like an old woman - it's a horrible bore.Can't you find something new to snivel and piss about?
2013-04-20 12:34:36 AM
2 votes:

Peki: Totally blew me away that they were Russian


Chechen Muslims aren't Russians. Seriously, this thread is full of retards.
2013-04-20 12:33:04 AM
2 votes:
Nice work, guys. Thank you.

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2013-04-20 12:30:09 AM
2 votes:
I am on my fourth bottle of Abita Abbey Ale, and I want you all to know that I love you all.  Even the trolls.  You know who you are.

beerandamovie.files.wordpress.com
2013-04-20 12:28:31 AM
2 votes:

derpy: Grand_Moff_Joseph: ...and the Boston area mosque has already been vandalized

https://twitter.com/Ezaffar/status/325462951777673217/photo/1

"Graffiti at Cambridge, MA Mosque"

Google "Graffiti at Cambridge, MA Mosque"

Whar mosque? Whar?

/I smell cow poopie


I was friends with several muslims in Arlington TX and attended their mosque several times. It was in an old strip mall- the only part of the building still in use. They were trying to raise money to build a nice mosque, but that was still in the fundraising stage.
2013-04-20 12:27:56 AM
2 votes:

Tommy Moo: Pretty much. I have never understood why the left in this country is the group that defense these shiatbirds. Everything about Islam fundamentalist Christianity is regressive and right winged. They hate women and homosexuals, view science and modern medicine as human arrogance, and believe that apostasy carries a death sentence.

And that's the "moderate" ones. The only difference between moderate and fundamentalist Muslims is that moderate ones just believe abhorrent, right-winged horseshiat quietly, and aren't actively trying to murder us to spread it.


Yeah, the problem is fundamentalism, not which magic book you read.
2013-04-20 12:27:29 AM
2 votes:

philotech: Tommy Moo: philotech: Tommy Moo: GoldSpider: And how can we call this "terrorism" without knowing the bombers' motive?

They were radical Muslims who grew to hate this country because we tolerate homosexuality and female sexuality. Next?

Citation please.

Here's two for you:

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/459179/20130419/tamerlan-tsarnaev- bo xer-boston-marathon.htm

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/459253/20130419/feiz-mohammad-tame rl an-tsarnaev-boston-marathon.htm

Try again, neither link contains political statements by either suspect.


I'd be willing to bet he did not like women at all, as him beating his girlfriend in 2009 is supposed to be the main reason he was denied citizenship and therefore unable to join the US Olympic Boxing team.

However, he was said also to have a sharper temperament than the "puppyish" Dzhokhar, and was arrested for assault and battery after a complaint of domestic violence against his girlfriend in 2009.

Tamerlan is believed to have been denied citizenship after his arrest, which is also thought to have disqualified him from competing for a place in the US Olympic team.


Telegraph
2013-04-20 12:26:52 AM
2 votes:
The freaking media and their perpetuating nonsense of the law.  Not every person arrested is read their Miranda Warnings.  I have arrested probably 1,000 who have never been read their rights.  The ONLY time you have to read somebody their rights, is if they are 1) in custody/not free to leave and 2) are being questioned.

The damn media and police procedural television shows make it seem like a person is arrested for something as simple as driving on a suspended license, and the police officer ALWAYS stands by the back window and reads them their rights, or he reads them as he's dramatically handcuffing him.  That's simply not the case.  If there's no reason to question the guy, there's no reason to Mirandize him. If he wants to sit in the back of the police car and talk and talk and talk and confess, good, let him.  It's ALL admissible as long as he's not prompted by the police to do so.

This guy was likely unconscious, or at the least, debilitated to the point where he couldn't understand/waive his rights anyway when arrested.  It's not like he gets to walk out of the hospital because they didn't immediately Mirandize him.  Rest assured, if he's questioned, he'll be read his rights.

The Public Safety Exception is there to allow officers, facing an imminent threat (like a bomb going off, or a dying person) to forego Miranda in the interest of the greater good.  If the suspect is going to be spending hours or days in the hospital, that exception would not apply.
2013-04-20 12:20:37 AM
2 votes:
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2013-04-20 12:09:45 AM
2 votes:

somedude210: If you're gonna call yourselves journalists and report the news as fact, then it should be made up of facts, not conjecture, not opinion. Those are not news. Making wild accusations and then trying to prove it with only one piece of evidence is not proof. You have ethics and integrity to uphold and here you are bashing a guy by making him to be worse than he is. It's like saying that Hitler was evil and he palled around with the Devil on weekends. You won't show proof, but it's there, we just have to trust you. You want to blow this out of proportion, that's fine. But I'm getting my news from NPR and not believing the crap you tell me. You had your chance to be better than FOX and you blew that out of the water.


Well put. Journalism on TV died with Walter Cronkite.
2013-04-20 12:08:51 AM
2 votes:
Fark It 2013-04-20 12:01:43 AM

I posted this in a redlit thread regarding the "public safety" exception to Miranda rights:

"IMO, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaah I'd wather passersby had been shot, undeclared martial law....


farm4.staticflickr.com
2013-04-20 12:06:44 AM
2 votes:
The hunt is over. The search is done. The terror is over. And justice has won. Burma Shave.
2013-04-20 12:00:01 AM
2 votes:
Weird. Yesterday when we didn't know anything and there was  speculation it could be connected to right-wing teapartiers, my right wing fiends  on fb were telling us to keep calm, no one knows anything the government might be behind it.

Now that it turns out it could be two muslims  suddenly they want everyone to know all immigrants are evil and will destroy america.
2013-04-19 11:58:20 PM
2 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: You don't feel malice towards a guy who puts a bomb directly in back of a kid and kills him and blows the legs off of his sister
and kills a cop, gets into a fire fight with police?

WTF does someone have to do for you to feel malice towards them?


This guy seems like he was caught up with bad company and a bad situation. He's certainly a bad guy, but I don't feel like he's terrorist-evil, more naive. But that's just my read on the situation, none of us really know what's going through the guy's head.
2013-04-19 11:55:28 PM
2 votes:

mikaloyd: Can somebody go back into Mondays thread and name and shame all the idiots who were wrong about these bombers' races, religions,nationalities, and political affiliations? Then quote them here? Because that'd be fun to see. And help with ignore lists.


All right, I'll apologize.  I jumped the gun, and pegged the bomber as a State of Franklin neo-separatist.  I admit, it was bigoted and illogical to paint everyone living in the area south of the Cumberland Gap as radical militants who wanted nothing more than to divest themselves from North Carolina and Tennessee.  I'm sure many people living in the mountains are hard-working folk who just want micro-regional representation.  I will endeavor from this day forth to work towards improving attitudes in society towards Franklin-Americans.
2013-04-19 11:53:46 PM
2 votes:

dletter: On the other hand, it was only because the kid got injured in the firefight that he probably even seeked the boat.  If he wasn't very injured, I think he just tries to sneak out of town somehow.  Or, he is more aware and pops the boat owner when he peeks in, and finds a new hiding spot.  Police had no idea how injured he was.


The other thing I find myself wondering, is that without the lock down, the guy walks out at 10 am for a smoke and encounters this kid before blood loss has farked the kid up.  Suddenly we have a hostage situation or something.  A big part of the lock down's success seems to center around preventing public interaction with the suspect until he was weakened.  Perhaps if not for all the police helicopters and door to door stuff, the kid decides to enter a house, try for hostages, raid medicine cabinets etc.  All pure conjecture of course, but I do feel the lock down and such did an excellent job of putting a wounded guy until additional stress and preventing him from recovering mentally while his physical state worsened.
2013-04-19 11:50:56 PM
2 votes:

Stone Meadow: What's keeping the FBI up at night now is the realization dawning on them of all the Somali, Arab, SW Asian, and South Asian Muslims who are following similar pathways on the interwebs. The US should have deported the elder brother when they could have (after his domestic violence conviction), and you can bet any brushes with the law by young male Muslims will now be handled differently to recent history.


If they're citizens there's not much they can do - after all, plenty of US-born people also get radicalized by the interwebs.

But perhaps if people didn't end up having these identity crises, some of it can be avoided.

Though immigrating at 16 is probably a really shiatty age.  The younger kids have enough school left that they are forced to adapt, have sufficient TIME to adapt, and end up "1.5 gen." Older immigrants are fully "1st gen" with a firm identity, I'm from country X and now living in country Y as an expat, hooked into normal expat circles.

But this guy, he came to the US at 16 but after having spent time in a bunch of places, not enough school left to get socialized American after arrival, not enough record in any specific one country previous to be firm in "I'm a guy from XXX now coming in as a foreign student" or whatever either, feeling "hey I'm ethnically X!!! Hey!!!" (i.e. Chechen)  but hasn't lived in Chechnya during any kind of conscious age enough for actual Chechens to actually view him as a local "real" Chechen guy either no doubt, so... identity issues.

So maybe he thinks, well, to be a true Chechen patriot, I need to do X Y and Z, and it's all about the Chechen conflict (and they lived in Dagestan too where that stuff is very much alive) so he decides, hey, I'll support you from here, look! See!

...though still I'd love to know just how he thinks bombing in BOSTON of all places is gonna do anything for Chechnya issues, but I suppose he could have rationalized it out to "well, I can do a more general jihad thing."

All this though, I'd love to hear the younger brother take on it. He probably knows something about the older brother thought process.
2013-04-19 11:47:40 PM
2 votes:
It all makes me think of the Denzel Washington - Bruce Willis movie ... "Under Siege" was the title, wasn't it?
2013-04-19 11:41:08 PM
2 votes:
Well on the police tactics, given that:

1.  The cops apparently did manage to locate all automobiles he could use to escape (the Honda(s)).
2.  They had enough fire power in the area he didn't feel comfortable going for a second car jacking.
3.  They had enough of an impact he felt the need to go ground in the back of a boat despite being injured.
4.  They were close enough to respond to a 911 call and contain him once a third party found him.
5.  They did all this all based on a shooting that occurred last night.
6.  Only 1 dead cop (MIT) and one wounded (Transit), no dead third parties, and they took the guy alive.

This doesn't exactly go down in the annuals of history as a police fail.  Sure we can hindsight their decision the perimeter size, but it did get the job done in the sense of forcing him to ground.
2013-04-19 11:39:49 PM
2 votes:
I'm just glad for the sake of Boston,he is off the streets. I will relax and let the courts do their job. He just traded an easy life for a very long hard life behind bars.
2013-04-19 11:37:45 PM
2 votes:

bostonowns: i hope they cut his legs off so he can see how it feels to live without legs the rest of his long long life.


And I hope Jeff Bauman, the guy who lost both his legs in the bombing, gets some really cool prosthetic legs that allow him to run faster than he ever could before.
2013-04-19 11:33:36 PM
2 votes:
If anyone who sets a bomb intended to kill multiple people is a "terrorist", what do you call someone with a high-powered rifle who sets out to kill as many children as possible?

/NRA member, perhaps?
2013-04-19 11:32:19 PM
2 votes:
The picking and chosing among the rights granted under the Bill of Rights is tautamont of the picking and chosing among rules of the bible. People need to give it a damn rest. Bad people do bad shiat. Enough with the politics.
2013-04-19 11:29:16 PM
2 votes:
Did the NY Post ever issue an apology or a retraction for their "Bag Men" front page?
2013-04-19 11:14:20 PM
2 votes:
I mean, older brother apparently wanted to box for Chechnya (which even HE didn't really live in at conscious ages AT ALL but only intermediate countries) and only if that doesn't happen, okay then for the US... being a late-childhood (16 y.o.) immigrant, supposedly didn't fit in so well and had other Russian friends only, sounds like he had some pretty major identity issues, and sadly that led to bad ends, I can imagine someone like that thinking they're gonna fight for the homeland (but without any actual meaningful contact there even, just all 100% weird idealism)...  it's sad all around, really.

If that's even what it is. :|
2013-04-19 11:11:23 PM
2 votes:

dr_blasto: GAT_00: Myria: I hope the U.S. Attorney in the press conference meant that Dzhokar won't be Mirandized right now.  In a crazy situation like this, Miranda warnings can wait for a short while until he's out of medical danger and inside a jail cell.

And I hope someone does that to you one day soon for saying that.  I promise, you'll deserve it.

It is reasonable to expect they wouldn't question or Mirandize him before providing medical treatment and stabilizing him. In fact, that should be required, shouldn't it?

The bullshiat about questioning him about stuff with Mirandizing him, that's the bad thing. My worry: he still has rights to not incriminate himself no matter what the PATRIOT act says, it is superseded by the consitution, but is it honored? Can he end his interview whenever he wants?


Short answer: Yes.

Long answer: Yes, because Miranda is only to ADVISE you of your rights. Your rights are guaranteed in the constitution. The Miranda warning is only given because (based on the case) some people are unaware of their rights, or not aware they have them, or not given the option to exercise them--but you always have them, because the 5th and 6th Amendment are always in play. If this kid wakes up from surgery and they start talking to him and he says "STFU, go away, I want a lawyer," then even if they haven't read his rights, they have to STFU and go away. They don't get to say "Ha ha! You don't have any rights yet because we didn't read them to you!"

Miranda is there mostly as a marker--it tells the cops and DA when they can start using what you say against you. Under current rulings, if you haven't been Mirandized, then anything you say pretty much is off the table as far as a confession (there are plenty of exceptions, though). After Miranda has been given, then they can start using it. So if this guy says "I blew up the Marathon and I'm glad"--it's not usable in court as a confession. Post-Miranda, it would be.

As soon as you say, "I want to stop talking," they have to stop, though.
2013-04-19 11:08:25 PM
2 votes:

Uakronkid: Maximer: So... on an aside... My wife is Russian and she is royally pissed that the media is saying the Chechens are Russians. Whether you agree or not, the Russian people want nothing to do with these people (the bombers) or the Chechens in general.

If they want nothing to do with them, why do they keep around Chechnya as a territory instead of cutting them loose and fortifying the border? Like it or not, it's a part of Russia.


Short answer: oil. The whole situation is a longstanding clusterfark. But it's true that there's a big ethnic and cultural gap there; I'm pretty sure these guys (well, the one remaining guy) wouldn't be happy to be described as Russian either.
2013-04-19 11:02:06 PM
2 votes:

Biological Ali: Olfin Bedwere: Fissile: Jesus H. Kristmess!  Where did these cops learn how to shoot?   Do they connect only when they're shooting at the family toy poodle and 87 year old wheel chair bound grandmothers?

I don't think they were shooting to kill. The FBI wanted this guy alive.

The impression I got was that cops (at least in the US) don't take any chances with suspects believed to be this dangerous. They use lethal force, and the only things that can save the suspect are a clear and unambiguous surrender, or dumb luck (surviving after getting shot in the head etc.)


HRT, the FBI team that took him out, is basically an end run on the whole exception we can't used American military forces on domestic soil.  They train with Delta and at any given time many of the guys on HRT did time in SOCOM prior to retiring from the military and getting a job with the FBI.  We unleashed the next best thing to SEAL 6 on a 19 year old who was bleeding to teeth in a partially shrink wrapped boat.  The local pukes are very much the hail of bullet types, but I'd imagine half of HRT was thinking "Well if you aren't some pathetic little wannabe Taliban fighter. I stacked farks like you waist high in Afghanistan."  I doubt they felt much pressure to employ lethal force out of fear for their own lives.

/for example HRT was yelling at the local cops not to turn on the floodlights because they all had nightvision goggles and knew how to use them
2013-04-19 10:59:16 PM
2 votes:

irishman4: liberals piss me off.


i18.photobucket.com
2013-04-19 10:46:53 PM
2 votes:

libranoelrose: irishman4: liberals piss me off.

You poor thing, would you like me to buy you a beer?


no you should save your money for your self
2013-04-19 10:40:17 PM
2 votes:

Novart: r1niceboy: I'm astonished by how little the media in this country know about the ethnic Chechen nationalists. By the time the information about the survivor's political and religious beliefs are known and available, people won't care and will be back to wondering what Kim Kardashian will name her crotch fruit. I'm glad they got him alive, and am curious to see how someone who came to the US when they were a child could become radicalized.

This would be a good opportunity to learn why some people feel they must become a terrorist. We won't learn it though if there's something shiny to look at elsewhere.

You know what's really sad about the Chechen rebels?

They were secular. All they wanted was freedom for their people.Russia denied them this, and in their midst the jihadis took over the cause.

There's a lesson to be learned there on both sides.


I remember the BBC  doing a story about the radical Chechen separatists. Most of the Chechens went to learn from the former Mujahadeen about how to fight the Russians. They were welcomed by the Islamic radicals and taught to use Islam as a carrot to lure and motivate fighters. They use jihad tactics, in the same way that during the 70's socialist and marxist terror groups used hijacking airliners. The terrorism university curriculum varies from group to group.
2013-04-19 10:37:40 PM
2 votes:

Fubar: Best songs about American greatness...

1) Born in the USA
2) Fortunate Son
3) America, fark Yeah


I see what you did there.
2013-04-19 10:37:31 PM
2 votes:

Parthenogenetic: Russ1642: DamnYankees: To repeat,  Obama saying terrorists failed because Boston refused to be intimidated and we refused to be terrorized.

Give me a farking break. We cowered, just like we do at the mere thought of all terrorism. 2 kids set of a couple bombs and we competely shut down a major city, divert the national attention, deploy insane amounts of resources and top it all off by not Mirandizing the guy.

I'm honestly sickened right now and the 'celebrating' all this crap.

I wish I had more confidence, but we're knowingly letting innocent people starve to death in Gitmo and we not only don't help them, but a majority of AMericans probably are happy to see them die even though the US government has officially proclaimed them innocent.

Label someone a terrorist in this country and I have zero confidence in our rule of law.

So you're saying they caught the wrong guy? What is your point?

I think he's bemoaning the fact that playing the "terrorism" card trumps due process and justice.

THEY DON'T DESERVE CIVIL RIGHTS, THEY'RE TERRORISTS!!! *shiats pants*

It would be braver to continue to uphold the freedoms that we enjoy as Americans, while acknowledging and willingly incurring the risks that those freedoms pose.  And here is where I mangle a quote about giving up freedom for security, and getting neither.


Untangle your panties. He'll get a trial, and a defense lawyer. And an appeal.
2013-04-19 10:34:44 PM
2 votes:

DamnYankees: To repeat,  Obama saying terrorists failed because Boston refused to be intimidated and we refused to be terrorized.

Give me a farking break. We cowered,


Bullshiat. Clearing the way for the police and investigators to do their job... and, by the way, identify and find the guys within 4 days with the help of the public... is not 'cowering'. It is supporting the effort to get the assholes who did it. Now that those who did it are taken care of, if the community still cowers, you might have a point, but I suspect, just like Obama suggested, that on Monday, life will go on like normal. Expecting people to act the very next moment as if nothing happened is preposterous. People acted just like you would expect anywhere. At least anywhere where such acts are not a daily occurrence. If you think people in, say, Iraq don't 'cower' in the face of terrorism, it is only because they don't farking do a goddamn thing to stop terrorism.
2013-04-19 10:33:41 PM
2 votes:
For anyone that cares, I just uploaded my "Salute to Law Enforcement In Boston" video here

http://youtu.be/qXr61-WE5UI
2013-04-19 10:32:13 PM
2 votes:

ontariolightning: He did not martry himself.. so does that mean he is not the US definition of terrorist


The US definition of "terrorist" (mil def anyway) is someone who "uses tactics of inciting terror to further religious, political, or ideological goals."

Dying isn't a qualifier.
2013-04-19 10:31:44 PM
2 votes:

roflmaonow: Are there any pics of the guy? Is he really critical? That would suck.


critical/serious doesn't necessarily mean he's in real bad shape, sometimes serious condition is used for someone who's not fully stabilized and/or the full extent of their condition is not known.
2013-04-19 10:29:50 PM
2 votes:

Stoj: Turns out no Miranda rights after all.

Thanks Obama!


You don't need to Mirandize somebody the moment you arrest them.  That's a Hollywood lie.

You only need to notify them of their Miranda rights when you begin formal interrogation of them, and in addition to the verbal notice they are presented with a written notice of it to sign, to acknowledge that they were notified.

Just because you didn't see a Hollywood-style "You have the right to remain silent. . ." while they were leading him off, like you'd see on a TV cop show, doesn't mean proper real-world procedure wasn't being followed.

This guy will get his farking Miranda rights at the right time.
2013-04-19 10:29:20 PM
2 votes:
I'm astonished by how little the media in this country know about the ethnic Chechen nationalists. By the time the information about the survivor's political and religious beliefs are known and available, people won't care and will be back to wondering what Kim Kardashian will name her crotch fruit. I'm glad they got him alive, and am curious to see how someone who came to the US when they were a child could become radicalized.

This would be a good opportunity to learn why some people feel they must become a terrorist. We won't learn it though if there's something shiny to look at elsewhere.
2013-04-19 10:29:17 PM
2 votes:

xnecron: http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/law-enforcement-bullet i n/february2011/legal_digest

Please read this before maundering about Miranda, public safety exemptions, and the death of the Republic.


TLDR Version: Exigencies can preclude Mirandization until such a time the public safety is no longer in danger.
2013-04-19 10:28:59 PM
2 votes:
It's damn impressive that Boston's finest killed one loser and caught the other loser in about 105 hours.
2013-04-19 10:26:23 PM
2 votes:

worlddan: High Fives for what? Near as I can tell it was a lot of wasted tax dollars. The police didn't even find him, some guy checking his yard did. Just think, if the police hadn't scared the hell out of everyone and so they stayed inside he would have been found hours ago. Well, more overtime for all the police; I can't wait to see the bill on that. I bet the police union will want a new contract now. For nothing. If these dimwits bombers had even half a brain they never would have been caught be these stooges.

EMBARRASSING


Ha ha Point and laugh at the troll.
2013-04-19 10:25:56 PM
2 votes:
Well, it might get missed over in the old thread, so I'll just repost it here:
It occurred to me just now that today is the actual anniversary of Patriots' Day, the observance of the anniversary of the Battles of Lexington & Concord.  On the observed one we witnessed tragedy followed by the triumph of the will of Boston.  On the actual, one of the craziest days in the Hub since...well, 1775, probably.  Hopefully closure and answers will come out of this, and recognition of the incredible awesomeness of this place in what we just pulled off.  BPD may not ever live down 1/31/07, but damned if today doesn't make up for a helluva lot of it.
2013-04-19 10:24:49 PM
2 votes:

Revek: Crap they took him  alive.


yep, that'll certainly screw with the conspiracy theories that were brewing all day.
2013-04-19 10:24:27 PM
2 votes:

Glenford: Revek: Crap they took him  alive.

I want this prick to live the rest of his life behind bars. Death is the easy way out.


If he rats out others involved, he may live out his life. Otherwise, probably not.
2013-04-19 10:24:05 PM
2 votes:
http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/law-enforcement-bullet i n/february2011/legal_digest

Please read this before maundering about Miranda, public safety exemptions, and the death of the Republic.
2013-04-21 12:41:44 AM
1 votes:
the older brother wasn't a citizen, the younger was. they both did this together. they are both terrorists. citizenship should be revoked.
2013-04-20 02:12:10 PM
1 votes:

way south: Kittypie070: ontariolightning: Question: Would residents of a Republican city accept what was "minimal" martial law, like how they locked down Boston, if the same situation occurred?

No, some of the wilder-eyed drooly ones maybe would start shooting the po-po.

You've got to put the situation in context.
There was a dangerous snake in someone's house and anyone would have been jumping on the tables and demanding it be removed. If the residents are openly consenting then they'll overlook a temporary violation in the spirit of the moment.
Hell, they'd probably taken up arms and joined the search if the sheriff asked them to. That is how it would have to have been done in the messy days before homeland security and massive police departments.

The problem is making sure the cops don't abuse those powers or forget to relinquish them the moment the situation is resolved.
Again, this is in the context of hunting for a mad bomber who's been tearing up the town. Would the government get away with these methods in a search for common crooks?
Probably not
.


Good morning all.

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Just having some fun.
2013-04-20 01:59:10 PM
1 votes:

luxup: This is what I don't get...

The residents of Boston staying in their houses willingly when asked by the police.  I'm not aware of anyone being arrested for walking their dogs or going to the store (there most have been those people).  I'm sure the cops asked anyone they saw to please remain indoors and there are absolutely 0 reports that I am aware of where anyone said otherwise.  In this day in age of cell phones you would think that if it DID happen there would at least be a tweet.

All I ever heard were announcements from the police saying the city is in lock down, please stay inside and people did.  Why is that a problem?  There was no abuse of power reported and nobody who went through it seems to think it was excessive given the circumstances.

I certainly don't remember a case where they locked anything down like this before.  Even New York was just 'closed for business' for a few days but we were all pretty confident there were no more airplanes coming.  We didn't have people driving down the street throwing explosives at the cops (that's Saturdays).  I was happy when they shut down air traffic.

As for Miranda, the only time they seem to use this exception recently that I know about (there is your in) was Zacarias Moussaoui AKA hijacker #20 and Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab who wanted to blow up a plane.  You don't think they are going to come after you and me for running the stop light do you?

DO YOU!

I mean it could happen but it's highly unlikely.  You know, like most people could find themselves with an eel up their buttocks but they don't.  Why not warn everyone of the danger of sticking an eel up your butt?  I mean I'll bet that happens a lot more in this country than the FEDs invoking the public safety exception.

Is this really about my rights, or your fear about the big bad boogieman?

And of course...for heaven sakes don't stick an eel up your butt no matter how good an idea it seems at the time!


The unanimous thought around here was pretty much a collective:  "Go get him boys".  A few people whined a bit on hour 10 or so, but whats surprising is that it didn't happen sooner.  We complaint just to complain, even when we agree.

Also, the city really wasn't shut down.  The issue is that the major parts of the city that ended up looking desolate are also 90% commercial.  1 million people use the MBTA a day, and when it was closed at 5am, everyone took a collective 3 day weekend.  DTX/Financial District/Back Bay is going to look as dead as Wallstreet on Easter Monday when no one went to work.

Pretty much all the residential neighborhoods not across from Watertown were bustling because it was a warm spring day.  Shops open, people out, ect.  Mood was a bit somber, but that was expected.  But you didn't see that on the news because there was no reason for the media to be in Southie, or Dorchester, or Roxie.  Everything happened on Boylston or over in Cambridge/Watertown.
2013-04-20 10:53:18 AM
1 votes:
Hopefully this incident will focus the spotlight on the root cause of all this senseless violence, contact sports.

Head injuries are no joking matter. Brain trauma can lead to organic changes in the brain, which,in turn, can lead to changes in personality. The use of steroids or synthetic testosterone or other muscle magnification techniques brings out aggression.

These sports are all about "punishing the weak" and "making them pay for letting down their guard". Heck boxing IS fighting. Wrestling is either just glorified fighting / bullying (wrastlin') or about physically controlling your opponent by mounting them and pinning them into submission. Football (and especially American Football) are rife with head injuries. So are most martial arts.

We should just stick to baseball, tennis, golf, running, etc. Violent head injuries cause so many problems... There is no way the entertainment value we get from such activities is worth the trade-off in lives scarred.
2013-04-20 10:27:54 AM
1 votes:

Heron: From what MSNBC's scroll was saying, the President himself declared his rights wouldn't be read to him. So we 1)have a president who thinks a person's legal rights only apply if that person knows about them and 2)thinks he has the power to void those rights by fiat.


Is this what Freep is going with? Because, this is really weak.

For one thing, a person must be in compos mentis before they can be mirandized.  For another, even if a personisn't mirandized they can still be arrested and detained. Nothing they say prior to mirandization is admissable as legal evidence in a court of lawagainst the person.Not that there's any overlap between the two, since you can't exactly get a confession from a person who's bled out and is unconscious anyway.

Third, as has already been discussed ad nauseum, a suspect needn't be mirandized at the time of their arrest -- they need only be informed they are under arrest. They need be mirandized before interrogation for obvious reasons, but otherwise there is no requirement of it upon arrest. Law enforcement typically  do mirandize people as early as possible, so as to maximize statements that are inarguably admissable against the person (even if it's something dumb they say in the cop car during transport).

Fourth, even if point #3 were true, as has been discussed ad nauseum there is an exception to miranda rights for exigencies that endanger the public safety.
2013-04-20 10:10:31 AM
1 votes:

irishman4: ya'll can call this piece of shiat a "citizen" all you want in defense of his alleged miranda rights, however, the process to become a "citizen" is broken also. time to stop giving rights to these pieces of crap and allowing this to happen. the 9/11 terrorists were in this country for a long time, not really citizens, but they probably could have got citizenship if they wanted. farking joke.


The rights in the Constitution do not only apply to citizens. They apply to everyone; whether he was a citizen or not isn't relevant to whether he has a right to a trial, is protected against self-incrimination and whatnot.
2013-04-20 09:40:23 AM
1 votes:

Kittypie070: ontariolightning: Question: Would residents of a Republican city accept what was "minimal" martial law, like how they locked down Boston, if the same situation occurred?

No, some of the wilder-eyed drooly ones maybe would start shooting the po-po.




You've got to put the situation in context.
There was a dangerous snake in someone's house and anyone would have been jumping on the tables and demanding it be removed. If the residents are openly consenting then they'll overlook a temporary violation in the spirit of the moment.
Hell, they'd probably taken up arms and joined the search if the sheriff asked them to. That is how it would have to have been done in the messy days before homeland security and massive police departments.

The problem is making sure the cops don't abuse those powers or forget to relinquish them the moment the situation is resolved.
Again, this is in the context of hunting for a mad bomber who's been tearing up the town. Would the government get away with these methods in a search for common crooks?
Probably not.
2013-04-20 09:37:44 AM
1 votes:

fragMasterFlash: I wonder how much of the blood donated by Boston marathon runners will be needed to insure the survival of Suspect #2?


Would happily donate to keep him alive.  I want intel, a trial, and a very long punishment.
2013-04-20 06:49:19 AM
1 votes:

gweilo8888: And how about Bin Laden -- what did he do there? I highly doubt he made command decisions; they'll have been left to people with experience who knew what they were doing. Again, all he will have done is delegate and make promises about checks being signed.


I would hope that the decision to run a fake medical mission as part of the hunt, thereby endangering doctors around the world and seriously damaging efforts to eliminate polio in the interest of short term US political manoeuvring  went to the top.
2013-04-20 06:48:40 AM
1 votes:

ISO15693: You have to admit - he's like a good luck charm for the US since he's been elected... averted the financial meltdown, got Bin Laden, got the Boston bomber, got health care reform - it's like everything he's involved with turns out perfectly. Maybe we should seriously think about amending the constitution again to allow more than two terms for this guy. It couldn't hurt.


Smarted.
2013-04-20 06:39:18 AM
1 votes:
So glad they got this kid alive...

The whole week has been surreal for me... Two of my students were near the blast on Monday (one volunteering giving massages to runners and the other there to get some street photography shots for an assignment in my photography classes. Have lots of friends living in the Cambridge/Watertown area who were right in the thick of it the last 30 hours or so. One of the schools I teach at was evacuated and locked down after it was learned one of the suspects was enrolled there and had been in the nearby city of New Bedford as recently as Tuesday. Crazy. I'm thankful my students and friends are all safe and sound.

I guess I'm not really surprised this has turned into the usual partisan pissing match now, and I was particularly disgusted by that asshole in Arkansas, who just couldn't resist trying to turn this into some kind of political statement about AR-15s and high-capacity magazines.

Those biatching about the "failure" of the authorities are a bit curious, though... The bombs went off on Monday and by Friday they had killed one of the suspects in a insane shootout involving homemade bombs and had captured the second suspect after basically isolating this kid and removing any possible means of escape. The loss of one police officer and the critical wounding of another are horrible, but this could have been much worse. Obviously, he's innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, but from what I saw, law enforcement did a bang up job and the citizens of Boston, Cambridge, and Watertown were all extremely cooperative and helpful.

Anyway, the coming weeks and months are going to be interesting as this case develops and if this kid is indeed guilty, I hope he rots in jail for the rest of his miserable life for what he did.

Probably going to take a break from all the coverage for the next few days, honestly, and catch up on some work that got neglected yesterday.

Hopefully, this isn't going to start a trend of these types of attacks, but I'm confident that we can deal with it and rise above it even if it is.

It's been fun reading these threads... Some of you need a reality check, some of you need to stop being colossal douche bags, and some of you just need to grow up, but all in all, I think most folks here are decent and rational. : )
2013-04-20 05:10:33 AM
1 votes:

draa: dark brew: Therefore you are admitting that EC didn't happen (or at least it wasn't applied), yet you continue to argue that it was. Fascinating, the wild ignoramus.

How in the fark do you get that from what I've said 30 goddamn times in 15 posts already. I said it was applied. Does this help? THE EC WAS APPLIED. Jesus farking christ. Are you just not reading what I post? Or are you being willfully ignorant? I said it was applied and you claimed IT DIDN'T MEET THE DEFINITION OF EC. Which is bullshiat and two different people have to that it did. Stop ignoring what people post or get the fark of of here dude because you're just making yourself look like a goddamn fool at this point.


The only people who get to complain that exigent circs was or wasn't applied was the people whose property was directly involved. If the cops knocked on the door and said "Hello, we're here looking for the terrorist suspect who blew up the Marathon and killed that cop last night, do you mind if we search your property without a warrant?" and the homeowner says Sure, then exigent circs don't even matter because consent was asked and given. If the cops say "Hello, we're looking for the terror suspect as described above and we're GOING to search your property even if you DO mind because we think circumstances warrant it," then exigent circs are met; however, nobody else besides that homeowner gets to argue, and ONLY if the cops come back later and bust him for the meth lab they found while doing their sweep for the terrorist suspect. If not, and if they don't complain, nobody ELSE gets to complain about it, due to this little thing called "standing" that the courts apply before anyone can biatch that their rights were violated.

OK? So whether or not exigent circs were or were not met is the people in that 20-block radius whose homes were searched; nobody here on Fark has a horse anywhere within a nuclear mile of the race.
2013-04-20 03:39:34 AM
1 votes:

dark brew: Also, the cops in the Dorner case believed that he was in the Big Bear area (towards the end, anyways). That alone did not create exigent circumstances to search every house in Big Bear without a warrant.


You keep talking about EC and it's clear you don't even know what it means.

An exigent circumstance allows law enforcement to enter a structure if they believe a suspect may escape. Just like today. It also allows them to enter if there's an imminent danger to the public as well. Just like today. It also allows them to enter a home if the an imminent danger to law enforcment. Just like today.There's limitations to it but there's no set rules on when it can be used or how. That discretion is left up to the officers involved. Just like today.

The guy today was a flight risk. He had already escaped once and would have again in not caught. The guy today posed a danger to the public. He'd already killed three civilians on Monday and fired numerous shots on Thursday night that endangered the public again. The guy today posed a risk to officers and law enforcement. He had killed one officer Thursday night and attempted to kill others trying to escape. All three of those meet the EC.
2013-04-20 03:39:27 AM
1 votes:

ZAZ: yukichigai

As far as the 5th amendment (Miranda) is concerned, they can go Dirty Harry on the guy and the sole remedy is suppression of confession. Taking the evidence out of court fully vindicates the right against self-incrimination and eliminates monetary damages to the extent the 5th amendment is relied on for relief. See Chavez v. Martinez (Link).




I'll add a mini brief for those getting their feet wet.
2013-04-20 03:32:37 AM
1 votes:

draa: What part of they didn't invade every house don't you understand? Didn't happen, and if it did, you should provide links for it or it didn't happen. It's that simple. Now did they knock on doors and ask to search? Sure but I seriously doubt anybody got their doors kicked in or invaded.


Where did I claim that they invaded every house?  I was simply responding to the comment by d3sertion that  "They don't need your consent or a warrant."  Knocking on doors and asking to search is completely legal.
2013-04-20 03:31:59 AM
1 votes:
And the saner Republicans, see, would try to prevent the mad-eyed Alex Jones-following drooly ones from going all Red Dawn on the cops and then there would be a huge citywide mass shootout and wow would the cops be confused and then the National Guard would be called up by the governor and then after three weeks it might come down to a thunderous herd of B-52s dropping nukes by order of the Prophet President.

And then the Rapture would occur!!

Afterward, GOP Utopia.

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2013-04-20 03:24:35 AM
1 votes:

dark brew: draa: dark brew: Using the same logic, the police in LA could have searched every home from LA to the San Diego border when Dorner was on the loose.

Except the cops today didn't search every home in Boston. Not even close. Only those homes contained within the perimeter they were working. Which is acceptable in most cases. There's a big difference between your analogy and what actually happened today. And as far as Dorner is concerned, the cops out there could have searched every home in the area where dorner was at if they hadn't have cornered him to begin with. They didn't have to so your comparison fails straight away.

It was a 20 block perimeter.  If the suspect had been seen by a witness going into a white house on Dexter Street, there might be exigent circumstances.  Simply invading every house in a 20 block radius on the belief that the suspect is likely in the area would not meet the litmus test.


You've got this backwards.  An anonymous tip reporting the location of a suspect is hardly ever going to create exigent circumstances, absent the caller saying "he's got a gun to a baby's head" or something equally harrowing.  If the police are operating on an anonymous or even a sourced third-party tip, they would almost certainly need to get a magistrate to rule on whether or not the tip was probable cause for a warrant.

Compare that situation to hot pursuit of a suspect after a shootout where something like 200 shots were exchanged and IEDs deployed leaving one person dead and another critically injured.  The situations are entirely different and the latter is much more severe.  A grid search after a GTA style shootout in an urban area is clearly exigent circumstances.  An anonymous tip about a guy with curly hair being going into a house is not.  You're either stupid or a liar if you can't tell the difference.
2013-04-20 03:10:25 AM
1 votes:
Save your indignations for the next psychotic American killer. You probably won't have to wait long, it seems like they are all coming out of the woodwork.
2013-04-20 03:09:43 AM
1 votes:

d3sertion: You don't ever mirandize a suspect unless you're interrogating them seeking admissible evidence


The amount of analysis & comment I've seen online that fails to note this is extremely depressing.
Miranda is not necessary during an arrest -- it's necessary to ensure anything the suspect says is admissible in court.
2013-04-20 03:05:11 AM
1 votes:

Clutch2013: HideAndGoFarkYourself: BullBearMS: Bathia_Mapes: BullBearMS: Because it wasn't possible to take a few seconds while the kid was being taken on the stretcher to the ambulance? It was impossible during the ride to the hospital?

The reports I've head said the young man was unconsious from blood loss. Mirandizing someone in that condition is not appropriate. The person being Mirandized has to acknowledge that they understand their rights as explained to them. The suspect was in no condition to do that.

Again, the decision to not read people their rights when the word "terrorist" comes up was made some time ago and had nothing to do with the facts on the ground in this case, no matter how many times people try to make this excuse.

The Obama administration has issued new guidance on use of the Miranda warning in interrogations of terrorism suspects, potentially chipping away at the rule that bars the government from using information in court if it was gathered before a suspect was informed of his right to remain silent and to an attorney.

Saying it over and over again doesn't make it applicable here. He's not been charged with any kind of terrorism.  He hasn't been charged at all, in fact.  He's a suspect, in what will likely be a state-prosecuted crime.

No, this case is going federal.  Monday assured that.


No, it didn't.  There's no "assurance."  They'll give MA the option first, just as they did with John Allen Muhammed and Lee Boyd Malvo when they were arrested.  Everyone assumed that would be a Federal case, but it was not.
2013-04-20 03:01:26 AM
1 votes:

dark brew: Using the same logic, the police in LA could have searched every home from LA to the San Diego border when Dorner was on the loose.


Except the cops today didn't search every home in Boston. Not even close. Only those homes contained within the perimeter they were working. Which is acceptable in most cases. There's a big difference between your analogy and what actually happened today. And as far as Dorner is concerned, the cops out there could have searched every home in the area where dorner was at if they hadn't have cornered him to begin with. They didn't have to so your comparison fails straight away.
2013-04-20 02:57:56 AM
1 votes:

BullBearMS: d3sertion: You just don't know what you're talking about.

Let's check in with people in the know, who care about the rule of law.

"This administration came in with a principle that they were going to restore the rule of law," says former FBI agent Mike German, who is now with the ACLU. "For the administration to now talk about changing some fundamental protections that have been in effect for a long time is very troubling."

Go back to the Politics tab and make excuses for your team's farkups there. I swear to FSM's noodly appendage that if Obama started throwing kittens in a chipper your sort would immediately praise him for composting.

The answer to terrorism is not to throw our system of laws out the window.


I get it: On the one hand, we wanna ensure we're not under attack by Chechen sleeper cells; on the other, the authorities said this was it, no further threats, so why not read him his rights? But there is a third point in that I'm drunk and still more reasonable than the lot of you.
2013-04-20 02:52:10 AM
1 votes:

Fubini: Here's the thing: how many of those people refused a search, and did the police do a search anyway?  If they did, it's clearly a violation of rights, and the aggrieved stand to make a lot of lawsuit money.


Lol, no.  A) They'd lose on the merits and B) Even if they somehow survived summary judgement on the merits (they couldn't), they'd lose summary judgement a summary judgment motion for lack of standing.  The only way they'd be able to show actual harm is if the officers searched their home, found something illegal, and then proceeded to arrest them based on that evidence found in an "illegal" search.  Even then, the remedy would be excluding the evidence, not a civil suit for "a lot" of money.
2013-04-20 02:51:36 AM
1 votes:

HideAndGoFarkYourself: BullBearMS: Bathia_Mapes: BullBearMS: Because it wasn't possible to take a few seconds while the kid was being taken on the stretcher to the ambulance? It was impossible during the ride to the hospital?

The reports I've head said the young man was unconsious from blood loss. Mirandizing someone in that condition is not appropriate. The person being Mirandized has to acknowledge that they understand their rights as explained to them. The suspect was in no condition to do that.

Again, the decision to not read people their rights when the word "terrorist" comes up was made some time ago and had nothing to do with the facts on the ground in this case, no matter how many times people try to make this excuse.

The Obama administration has issued new guidance on use of the Miranda warning in interrogations of terrorism suspects, potentially chipping away at the rule that bars the government from using information in court if it was gathered before a suspect was informed of his right to remain silent and to an attorney.

Saying it over and over again doesn't make it applicable here. He's not been charged with any kind of terrorism.  He hasn't been charged at all, in fact.  He's a suspect, in what will likely be a state-prosecuted crime.


No, this case is going federal.  Monday assured that.
2013-04-20 02:49:53 AM
1 votes:

BullBearMS: Bathia_Mapes: BullBearMS: Because it wasn't possible to take a few seconds while the kid was being taken on the stretcher to the ambulance? It was impossible during the ride to the hospital?

The reports I've head said the young man was unconsious from blood loss. Mirandizing someone in that condition is not appropriate. The person being Mirandized has to acknowledge that they understand their rights as explained to them. The suspect was in no condition to do that.

Again, the decision to not read people their rights when the word "terrorist" comes up was made some time ago and had nothing to do with the facts on the ground in this case, no matter how many times people try to make this excuse.

The Obama administration has issued new guidance on use of the Miranda warning in interrogations of terrorism suspects, potentially chipping away at the rule that bars the government from using information in court if it was gathered before a suspect was informed of his right to remain silent and to an attorney.


Saying it over and over again doesn't make it applicable here. He's not been charged with any kind of terrorism.  He hasn't been charged at all, in fact.  He's a suspect, in what will likely be a state-prosecuted crime.
2013-04-20 02:45:22 AM
1 votes:
Why can't people be happy we got the bad guys? Instead they want to turn it into political crap. No one had their rights violated. Even if so, it was for a day, and no one has complained. Everyone in Boston knew they needed to get these guys. So just STFU already. We got em. Life is back to normal, and you look stupid for whining about it.
2013-04-20 02:42:55 AM
1 votes:

BullBearMS: HideAndGoFarkYourself: 
The PSE has been around for nearly 30 years.  It's not a "new policy" by any means.

The PSE had to do with asking a criminal the question "Where is the gun?" before reading them their rights.

The Obama administration has expanded that to include hours of interrogation.


Your legal analysis is completely vapid.  This was asking "are there anymore bombs" before wheeling the guy into surgery.  It is a clear example of the PSE, "expanded" or not.

The more important point, which you steadfastly refuse to comprehend, is that Miranda is wholly irrelevant in this situation.  You don't ever mirandize a suspect unless you're interrogating them seeking admissible evidence.  In this case, they do not need to use his statements about the locations of bombs against him in court.  In all of the cases you cited, there was virtually no physical evidence or any other sufficient circumstantial evidence to convict the suspects without relying on their confessions or fruit produced from those confessions.

You just don't know what you're talking about.
2013-04-20 02:38:07 AM
1 votes:

Tommy Moo: impaler: Tommy Moo: Pretty much. I have never understood why the left in this country is the group that defense these shiatbirds

The left is defending the bombers?

Oh wait, no they're not.

You mean Muslims? Defending them as in "they're not all terrorists."

Yeah, it's about the deference between individuals and groups.


I do meanradicalMuslims. Did you read my post? I wasn't just talking about terrorists(well, I actually was, I've just not undertaken enough research to realize it). I can't believe that  liberals anyone in this country defends  Muslims people whose religion I do not understand, again, because I have never actually read any legitimate literature regarding it. Whether they are actively killing people or not, they still believe that women are the dominion of men,that science is evil and arrogant, that homosexuals should suffer extreme castigation, and that anyone who is not part of their blood cult will be tortured in hell for all of eternity. Liberals love to hate on Christianity, but for some reason (white guilt comes to mind) they can't express disfavor of Islam, in spite of the fact that it's  the exact same a very similar farking religion. EveryradicalMuslim in the world pretty much believes all the same shiat as  Pat Robertson and Mike Huckabee the Westboro Baptist ChurchAl Qaida and the Taliban are just the Alpha males who beat you up on the playground, and the WBC's are the B-males that clamor around in a circle to point and cheer them on.

FTFY

/believes in zero gods
//spent over a decade studying religion; they're all full of shiat
///knows from reading your many posts here, as well as your profile insert, you're a troll; no retort required (hint: none will be acknowledged, so further tantrums will be  solely for your own need to feel important on  teh interwebs.Mission accomplishedTM?)
2013-04-20 02:33:55 AM
1 votes:

BullBearMS: Because it wasn't possible to take a few seconds while the kid was being taken on the stretcher to the ambulance? It was impossible during the ride to the hospital?


The reports I've head said the young man was unconsious from blood loss. Mirandizing someone in that condition is not appropriate. The person being Mirandized has to acknowledge that they understand their rights as explained to them. The suspect was in no condition to do that.
2013-04-20 02:23:24 AM
1 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: Fubini: tenpoundsofcheese: The guys at Nuremberg tried that defense too.

Good point

tenpoundsofcheese:It is sick that people buy it and are terrorist apologists.

WTF? Why ruin a perfectly good comment with crap? Do you shiat all over yourself too?

Where is anyone defending terrorism? Or are you the kind of person that can't empathize with people you don't agree with? Are you so emotionally stunted that everything in your entire world is only ever wholly good or wholly evil?

Look at some of the photos of this guy. Prom dates. College student stuff. Run of the mill Facebook and Twitter accounts. Do you really think that this guy is wholly evil? Do you think that every time he tweeted or posted a status update he immediately followed it with thoughts of bloody carnage? When he drove his prom date home, do you think he was contemplating how to bomb innocent kids?

I don't believe that this guy was born with a black heart. Something about the world warped him. It doesn't excuse him of his crimes, just like it didn't excuse the Nazis at Nuremberg. Take a step back and see this guy for who he is: a person, who for most of his life was a normal person just like you and me. Just because I recognize these things doesn't mean I'm condoning his actions.

Lame try in moving the goal posts.
You said you don't have any malice towards him.
That is NOT the same as saying that he is "wholly evil" and your stupid examples of him having terrible thoughts after his prom date.

He can be a wonderful date, have funny tweets, feed his dog on a regular schedule, but if he blows up people and goes on a killing rampage, I will hold a lot of malice towards him.  I won't be a terrorist apologist like you are trying to be by saying that he is a normal person just like you and me, except of course for the killing.


Oh, so you read his terrorist manifesto?

Can you give us excerpts?

Because most of the circumstantial evidence available (and that's all there is) leans more towards 'Columbine' than ZOMG MOSSLIMS TEKKEN URE FREEDIMS.

Or are you such a dipshiat that you assume:

a) Anyone from a nation is automatically an extremist of said nation's alleged state 'religion'
b) All muslims are automatically terrorrrrrists
and
c) The factors behind *actual* terrorism are definitely not more varied and subtle than 'THEY BE MUSLIMS'
2013-04-20 02:21:49 AM
1 votes:
Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist:
I would simply like to see the warrants issued or the recorded acceptance of search that apparently every household in this entire town agreed to without any coercion.

They don't need your consent or a warrant.  Exigent circumstances obviate the need for either and there has hardly ever been a clearer case than police searching for a wounded and deranged teenager who has a recent history of detonating explosives.
2013-04-20 02:15:02 AM
1 votes:
Wow.  Just added it all up, and just with the 9 main threads, there are over 18,000 posts.  That does not include the smaller side-threads, and I can only guess what TF looks like.

Interesting 24 hours, and I assume that everyone is glad that the week is over.
2013-04-20 02:13:32 AM
1 votes:

Ivo Shandor: Fubini: Heh- I've thought about printing up Obama 2016 bumper stickers just for lulz.

Go all-in. "Michelle Obama 2016".


Or Bo.  He's well over 35 in dog years.  There's not anything in the Constitution that specifies the president has to be a human.  Technically he hasn't been a resident long enough, but according to the Constitution that only applies to persons.  Actually, Article II Section 1 has an extraneous comma in there that could conceivably be interpreted to mean that anyone born after the adoption of the Constitution can't be president.  It's a very poorly worded piece that any first year law student could rip to shreds, but we've chosen so far to respect as "Well, you know what they meant..."  As written, it excludes women, but would alow any male animal that can recite the oath of office.  Bo might have a problem with that aspect, but maybe they could adopt an parrot.
2013-04-20 02:11:23 AM
1 votes:

BullBearMS: How is that an excuse for not doing something that takes all of a a few seconds?


The fundamental point to Miranda is that it's people have to be aware of their rights. If there is some extenuating circumstance that would prevent a normal person from comprehending the Miranda reading then it's pointless to Mirandize them at that point in time.  This guy has been shot, lost blood, has been hiding out all day (dehydrated), and is the subject of a massive manhunt. A normal person is not going to be capable of giving legal consent under those circumstances. From a prosecution point of view, it's much smarter to NOT Mirandize him until a time when he's stable and capable of making rational decisions.

Why? If they Mirandized him right there, while he was under that stress, then his lawyer could eventually argue that any statements he makes are a result of a flawed understanding of his rights due to the extraordinary circumstances. If they don't Mirandize him then they can't interrogate him immediately, but any statements he makes between arrest and interrogation are considered to be statements he makes of his own free will. Later, after he's been treated and gotten some sleep, they sit him down in a comfy chair in an  air conditioned interrogation room and then Mirandize him, and there can be no doubt as to whether he was capable of giving consent at that point in time.
2013-04-20 02:09:41 AM
1 votes:

Boojum2k: 4seasons85!: Lee Jackson Beauregard: Glenford: Revek: Crap they took him  alive.

I want this prick to live the rest of his life behind bars. Death is the easy way out.

That, and there's the "72 virgins" factor.  Of course the ones that died are going to find that "paradise" has a much hotter climate than they bargained for, but the idea of martyrdom will still motivate the next idiot who wants to kill some infidels.

Actually there is good evidence that the original words said grapes and somehow it got mistranslated to 72 virgins.

Advertising campaign, it's easier to convince young, frustrated, ignorant young men to blow themselves up with the promise of poon than with dessert.


Well according to the linguist who looked at it, he thinks some of the dots placed over some of the words were written wrong so I don't think it was a campaign. Though other investigators say it makes sense because wine was a very important drink (as it is now) back when written. So the concept that you will drink with God makes more sense.
2013-04-20 02:08:35 AM
1 votes:

clyph: half keystone kops, half gestapo -  simultaneously heavy handed and comically incompetent.


Aww. Is widdle clyph sad that his holy criminal killer heros got apprehended by the dirty pigs?
2013-04-20 01:55:31 AM
1 votes:

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: shower_in_my_socks: If there is a bomb-throwing, homicidal maniac carjacking his way through my neighborhood, the cops can come the fark into my house if it saves lives.

And that's your choice to allow them to do so. My concern is with the people who chose not to surrender their rights in the face of danger, those who would not trade essential liberty for temporary security, whose homes were ransacked regardless. What was done at the Boston Marathon was horrific, but if we so quickly abandon what it means to be American in the aftermath, then we really are nothing more than the hollow caricatures that our enemies portray us as.


i718.photobucket.com
2013-04-20 01:54:55 AM
1 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: He can be a wonderful date, have funny tweets, feed his dog on a regular schedule, but if he blows up people and goes on a killing rampage, I will hold a lot of malice towards him.  I won't be a terrorist apologist like you are trying to be by saying that he is a normal person just like you and me, except of course for the killing.


You apparently don't know what apologist means. The way that you're using it, you're implying that I am defending the actions of these bombers, or the bombing itself. I am not, and no one in this thread is arguing their defense. No one has suggested that they should not be held accountable for what they have done.

This guy was a normal person once. He's barely an adult by our standards, not even old enough to buy alcohol. This elicits sympathy from a lot of people, myself included. It's not sympathy in the "shouldn't be held accountable" sense, but rather the "what a waste for this guy to throw his life away" sense. This is amplified by reports that this whole thing wasn't really his idea.
2013-04-20 01:48:52 AM
1 votes:

ISO15693: Maybe we should seriously think about amending the constitution again to allow more than two terms for this guy. It couldn't hurt.


kairoswarriors.files.wordpress.com

You don't know about the OH GOD THE FACE EATING MONKEYS ARE GOING TO STEAL ALL THE CRYING SPARKLY EAGLE NEMATODE BIBLESS IN OUR LAWNS hysteria swirling around the concept of "Obama Third Term"?

Go on, toss the phrase into Google.
2013-04-20 01:48:03 AM
1 votes:

Fark It: zabadu: Well, bye then. Enjoy the training. And the fully covered women.

Are you trolling or are you actually retarded?


I larfed.

Kittypie070: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Sooo, do we have any farking idea what the scope of these guy's plans were, or what their motivation was?

Why sure, he's been absolutely singing like a canary since he was brought into (perhaps) the ICU in a state of probable semiconsciousness, with tubes shoved in everywhere, and the P-12's have gotten a whole terabyte drive filled with audio recordings of the interrogations by now.

My gods you are stupid.


I know! What's UP with that apostrophe?!!?

Also:

"We are now a nation of experts, with millions of people who know the meaning of everything that they haven't actually experienced."

It's like he's looking into the soul of this website:  http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2013/04/dzhokhar-tsarn a ev-is-found.html?mobify=0
2013-04-20 01:48:02 AM
1 votes:

clyph: machoprogrammer: The fact they stayed around the area (probably stupidest thing they could've done) makes me think they wanted to go down

Considering they didn't go on the lam immediately after the bombing, I suspect they thought that they got away with it. Going out in a blaze of glory in a shoot-out with the cops looks like a hastily-improvised B plan.

Big bro was a woman-beating, hyper-aggressive psycho with a chip on his shoulder.  Little bro either idolized his big brother and would have followed him anywhere, or was completely dominated by him.  Possibly both.


Or neither.
2013-04-20 01:43:48 AM
1 votes:

shower_in_my_socks: If there is a bomb-throwing, homicidal maniac carjacking his way through my neighborhood, the cops can come the fark into my house if it saves lives.


And that's your choice to allow them to do so. My concern is with the people who chose not to surrender their rights in the face of danger, those who would not trade essential liberty for temporary security, whose homes were ransacked regardless. What was done at the Boston Marathon was horrific, but if we so quickly abandon what it means to be American in the aftermath, then we really are nothing more than the hollow caricatures that our enemies portray us as.
2013-04-20 01:36:02 AM
1 votes:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Sooo, do we have any farking idea what the scope of these guy's plans were, or what their motivation was?


Why sure, he's been absolutely singing like a canary since he was brought into (perhaps) the ICU in a state of probable semiconsciousness, with tubes shoved in everywhere, and the P-12's have gotten a whole terabyte drive filled with audio recordings of the interrogations by now.

My gods you are stupid.
2013-04-20 01:35:07 AM
1 votes:

BullBearMS: andychrist420: No one is arguing against Mirandizing this guy

There's been a constant stream of excuses in this thread.

My favorite was that he might not have been fully conscious, as if you couldn't possibly read them to him again later.

Stop making excuses for extrajudicial behavior. America shouldn't behave like a bunch of pants wetting pussies who can't be bothered to follow their own laws when the word terrorism is mentioned.


I hope you're not an American, because you clearly have no idea how our laws work.

Extrajudicial behavior?  What the hell are you talking about.  When you're arrested for committing a crime red-handed it is often a day or even longer before you're mirandized.  Oftentimes you're never mirandized.  The only time those rights come into play is when you're being interrogated in a custodial setting.  If they have 20 eyewitnesses who saw you shooting at cops, they don't need to ask you a damn thing to prove their case.  Asking this kid if he planted any other bombs is not a miscarriage of justice and is directly in line with the Supreme Court's interpretation of Miranda.  And before you start being an idiot and arguing against the Supreme Court's rulings, keep in mind that Miranda itself comes from a Supreme Court case.  They made it up they decide when it's applicable.  Ask any Constitutional Law scholar and they'll tell you the exact same.
2013-04-20 01:34:32 AM
1 votes:

BullBearMS: andychrist420: No one is arguing against Mirandizing this guy

There's been a constant stream of excuses in this thread.

My favorite was that he might not have been fully conscious, as if you couldn't possibly read them to him again later.

Stop making excuses for extrajudicial behavior. America shouldn't behave like a bunch of pants wetting pussies who can't be bothered to follow their own laws when the word terrorism is mentioned.


I've read the thread, and reading someone his rights when he's not fully conscious is a waste of time.  The law says he has to acknowledge his rights anyway.  Nobody is arguing against reading Miranda, but until he's being questioned concerning the crime, they aren't necessary.  One such instance would be, say, he's in critical condition in the hospital.  Once released, he'll be arrested, Mirandized, and taken to jail.  Just like a drunk driver would.  There is no extra-judicial behavior.  Stop making false comparisons.

Besides, unless these Farkers are Federal Judges (highly unlikely) their opinion means the same as yours.  Jack shiat.
2013-04-20 01:34:09 AM
1 votes:

muck4doo: BullBearMS: andychrist420: No one is arguing against Mirandizing this guy

There's been a constant stream of excuses in this thread.

My favorite was that he might not have been fully conscious, as if you couldn't possibly read them to him again later.

Stop making excuses for extrajudicial behavior. America shouldn't behave like a bunch of pants wetting pussies who can't be bothered to follow their own laws when the word terrorism is mentioned.

It was a great victory tonight, and we got the bad guys. Stop pissing all over it. I'm sure he'll be read his rights. Stop finding any excuse to be mad at this country.


Stop making excuses that sound suspiciously like "we had to destroy the village to save it".

A democracy doesn't fight terrorism by throwing it's own laws aside. Something America has clearly been doing for over a decade now.
2013-04-20 01:31:19 AM
1 votes:

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Move over Alex Jones - Glenn Beck has you beat by a mile here:  http://bit.ly/ZyLgbO

"Beck gives Feds until Monday to come clean on Marathon cover-up"


They're still going on about the Saudi student? Sweet Jesus.

By the way they KNOW he's a very, VERY bad guy because his last name is the same as several terrorists, including one who is related to bin Laden! (It's also the name of sever soccer players as well as some professors; it ain't a super-rare last name in Saudi Arabia)
2013-04-20 01:28:08 AM
1 votes:

IlGreven: Epiphany: CNN now reporting that the same people who tried to save white hats brothers life are the ones working on him now.

So he probably is already dead.

Nah. His brother was truly farked up and was DOA. Nothing they could've done.


Yep. His bro went into cardiac arrest as soon as he arrived at the hospital. He reportedly had burns, which I hope means he was injured by one of his own bombs.
2013-04-20 01:28:05 AM
1 votes:

muck4doo: Mixed feelings on seeing people cheer the police.


Really. I felt the same way after the crowds came out cheering the death of bin Laden.

What caught the guy wasn't even all of the rights-infringing policies we've enacted since 9/11, it was a freak accident of them being in the wrong 7/11 at the wrong time, and a tip from an informed citizen. After a systematic rape of the Fourth Amendment across an entire town, they cheer. They cheer not because an informed citizen noticed something odd, but because the authorities did "everything necessary" to catch the suspect.

It's like watching a microcosm of the events surrounding the Patriot Act in slow motion.
2013-04-20 01:26:36 AM
1 votes:

draa: You know what I see in this kid? My kids. One 18 and one 22. And my nephew who's 23. I'm not excusing anything he or his brother did but I also understand that they are both still kids in many respects.


Seriously- I work on a college campus and both of these guys would fit right in. Idiot kids with their whole lives ahead of them and not a drop of experience in the way of the world.
2013-04-20 01:25:26 AM
1 votes:
Good to finally see this nightmare over. Now, Texas on the other hand...
2013-04-20 01:24:47 AM
1 votes:

Epiphany: CNN now reporting that the same people who tried to save white hats brothers life are the ones working on him now.

So he probably is already dead.


Nah. His brother was truly farked up and was DOA. Nothing they could've done.
2013-04-20 01:23:57 AM
1 votes:
Sooo, do we have any farking idea what the scope of these guy's plans were, or what their motivation was?
2013-04-20 01:23:43 AM
1 votes:

rev. dave: I feel grateful the violence has stopped.  The perps are examples of communication failures.  As well as delusional thoughts about identity  You are a human or an animal, it is your choice.  You pay for the decision in different ways.


The violence is chugging right along just like it always has.  It is part of the human condition.  Just today in the U.S. murders accounted for more than 10 times the body count of these two clowns.  Granted, the high profile terroristic murders have paused for a while, but we'll see it again before long.
2013-04-20 01:23:34 AM
1 votes:

Tommy Moo: impaler: Tommy Moo: Pretty much. I have never understood why the left in this country is the group that defense these shiatbirds

The left is defending the bombers?

Oh wait, no they're not.

You mean Muslims? Defending them as in "they're not all terrorists."

Yeah, it's about the deference between individuals and groups.

I do mean Muslims. Did you read my post? I wasn't just talking about terrorists. I can't believe that liberals in this country defend Muslims. Whether they are actively killing people or not, they still believe that women are the dominion of men, that science is evil and arrogant, that homosexuals should suffer extreme castigation, and that anyone who is not part of their blood cult will be tortured in hell for all of eternity. Liberals love to hate on Christianity, but for some reason (white guilt comes to mind) they can't express disfavor of Islam, in spite of the fact that it's the exact same farking religion. Every Muslim in the world pretty much believes all the same shiat as Pat Robertson and Mike Huckabee.


The weird thing is, I'm a liberal atheist, and the level of ignorance on display here actually causes me physical distress. I've got a close relative who is muslim, who is so used to this level of asshattery, that she barely even rolls her eyes when some impotent so-called patriot does it in front of her.

"White guilt" probably isn't the term you're looking for. I'm sure every middle-aged guy with an arab name has a similar reaction to mine when some self-appointed spokesman for one sixth of the world's population pushes a button and leaves a messy stain as their only contribution to the human race. Maybe it's "concern over the gene pool needing some chlorine tabs"?
2013-04-20 01:23:08 AM
1 votes:

djkutch: I'm just curious as to what problem these Muslim kids were using the 2nd Amendment to solve.


2nd Amendment doesn't say you have a right to explode bombs on innocent people. Don't be a douche.
2013-04-20 01:22:22 AM
1 votes:

cretinbob: dark brew: cretinbob: The picture upthread shows a King airway being inserted. Yes, he's unconscious.

No, it doesn't.  That is your very generous interpretation of a single photo.  All I see is a non-rebreather, which is supported by the other photo which I posted still showing the NRB in place after he is loaded into the ambulance.

look again and post the second pic.


 [i36.photobucket.com image 441x348]

Note he's holding it above the proximal cuff between two fingers. You can see the stylet. The distal cuff is just about to go in.
Maybe the attempt was unsuccesful and they switched to an NRB, but that's a King.

NRB
[www.sharinginhealth.ca image 350x494]

King

[www.kingsystems.com image 480x280]


But this is small shiat compared to a/an THOROCOTOMY!

Thank you FARK for expanding my vocabulary.
2013-04-20 01:18:29 AM
1 votes:

andychrist420: No one is arguing against Mirandizing this guy


There's been a constant stream of excuses in this thread.

My favorite was that he might not have been fully conscious, as if you couldn't possibly read them to him again later.

Stop making excuses for extrajudicial behavior. America shouldn't behave like a bunch of pants wetting pussies who can't be bothered to follow their own laws when the word terrorism is mentioned.
2013-04-20 01:13:00 AM
1 votes:
Mixed feelings on seeing people cheer the police.
2013-04-20 01:10:26 AM
1 votes:

Aquapope: Kittypie070: Nope, dude's got an ultra low Fark number. Ain't meow.

It's a False Flag.  Meow got a very low number way long time ago, then posted as Meow with a medium old number... just so he could fall back on some kind of legitimacy with his low number later.  Dogs who meow are that kind of crafty.


How the hell does one manage THAT!?
2013-04-20 01:09:08 AM
1 votes:

Fubini: tenpoundsofcheese: The guys at Nuremberg tried that defense too.

Good point


That would be his first.

tenpoundsofcheese:It is sick that people buy it and are terrorist apologists.

WTF? Why ruin a perfectly good comment with crap? Do you shiat all over yourself too?

Where is anyone defending terrorism? Or are you the kind of person that can't empathize with people you don't agree with? Are you so emotionally stunted that everything in your entire world is only ever wholly good or wholly evil?

Look at some of the photos of this guy. Prom dates. College student stuff. Run of the mill Facebook and Twitter accounts. Do you really think that this guy is wholly evil? Do you think that every time he tweeted or posted a status update he immediately followed it with thoughts of bloody carnage? When he drove his prom date home, do you think he was contemplating how to bomb innocent kids?

I don't believe that this guy was born with a black heart. Something about the world warped him. It doesn't excuse him of his crimes, just like it didn't excuse the Nazis at Nuremberg. Take a step back and see this guy for who he is: a person, who for most of his life was a normal person just like you and me. Just because I recognize these things doesn't mean I'm condoning his actions.


Well said. But it's wasted on tenpoundsofderp.
2013-04-20 01:07:08 AM
1 votes:

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Glenford: Revek: Crap they took him  alive.

I want this prick to live the rest of his life behind bars. Death is the easy way out.

That, and there's the "72 virgins" factor.  Of course the ones that died are going to find that "paradise" has a much hotter climate than they bargained for, but the idea of martyrdom will still motivate the next idiot who wants to kill some infidels.


Actually there is good evidence that the original words said grapes and somehow it got mistranslated to 72 virgins.
2013-04-20 01:06:34 AM
1 votes:

paulseta: Drake set South and his family a puppy


OK, I need to ask.

What are you smoking?

If not smoking, them what are you shooting up?

You better not be a frakkin' toaster.
2013-04-20 01:04:37 AM
1 votes:
How drunk is Boston right now?
At this very moment, there is probably a businessman pointing his tie at a urinal while he pees his pants.
2013-04-20 01:03:37 AM
1 votes:

Nem Wan: These guys were around 15 and 8 when they came to the U.S. I see no more reason to care about their nationality, religion, or politics than if we were talking about another pathetic duo, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold. Young psychos full of their own bullshiat.


That's a very valid point and the reason why it was so important to be able to ask them.
2013-04-20 01:02:41 AM
1 votes:

FizixJunkee: bostonowns: i hope they cut his legs off so he can see how it feels to live without legs the rest of his long long life.

And I hope Jeff Bauman, the guy who lost both his legs in the bombing, gets some really cool prosthetic legs that allow him to run faster than he ever could before.


I'd donate to that.
2013-04-20 01:02:30 AM
1 votes:

Tommy Moo: You are incredibly naive. And anyway, it's religious zeal, not politics. Muslim terrorists could care less which party is in power. They only want to help point us to the glory of Islam with their merciful violence, so that our souls may escape damnation.


And who said the did it for Muslim reasons? Well, besides fox and cnn and all the news pundits who know because they spoke with the kid.

Has any one of the news services claimed the interview with the kid yet? Betting cnn does before the sun rises.
2013-04-20 01:02:29 AM
1 votes:
He is an American citizen. He is accused of a heinous act. If he did it, and the government can prove it, execute him. I don't really give a flying fark why he did it. But I am glad he was taken alive so we can find out who else needs to be arrested, tried, and executed for their part in this stupid crime.  And I am wicked proud of the videos showing regular people running toward the blast to help each other.  That is the really important part, IMHO.  The deviant brothers were just a bump in the road. All of the rest of the noise is just America trying to get back on track in the modern world.  Hopefully it will work. We've done it before. From my view in New England, these nutjobs are just modern day molasses.
2013-04-20 01:01:42 AM
1 votes:
OH MY GOSH! LOOK AT THIS DARKIE!

i.imgur.com

JEEZUM CROW, PEOPLE! IF HE WERE ANY DARKER, HE'D BE A GINGER!

Those darn ghostly-pale non-white people! I guess this will teach them to keep their white-skinned darkness out of our similarly-white-but-totally-not-the-same country! HURRRRRRR!
2013-04-20 01:01:03 AM
1 votes:
Did that old prom pic get blurred on purpose?  Media was reporting it unaltered earlier.  I suppose to protect ID of the other people shown?
2013-04-20 01:00:17 AM
1 votes:

Xioxia: While I would have liked to have quoted something meaningful (I had Spoon River Anthology in mind), I remind myself that this all stemmed from an unimaginable, brutal hatred towards your fellow man, and it is a thing to be wept about and mourned, rather than celebrated. He was caught, thankfully. But he was one of two monsters willing to kill anyone that got in the way of their plans. And we had to resort to such means in order to stop them. That being said, I hope he lives. I hope he lives and truly pays for the utmost penalty for his actions in this world. And if there is indeed an afterlife, I hope he suffers for eternity.

I can only hope.

/Slightly drunk


It'll come out that he was brainwashed by his brother -- a boxing coach said the younger followed the older like a "little puppy" -- and he was only 19. Not excusing the inexcusable, but those'll be the reasons.
2013-04-20 12:57:28 AM
1 votes:

vabeard: Mrtraveler01: s2s2s2: But technically, white.

The best kind of white.

Obsessed with race and ethnicity much?


A blatant Futurama reference. Not obsessed with anything other than being an uber-geek.

A little less time on fark, a little more time on adult swim, please.
2013-04-20 12:57:02 AM
1 votes:

Robert1966: humpa humpa humpa.


Hey, I just stepped in a puddle of spooge.

Knock that public indecent exposure off and put that thing away before you lose it, man.
2013-04-20 12:55:56 AM
1 votes:

ongbok: No it isn't because Chechnya isn't considered occupied land by Russians. The Russian government considers Chechnya within the ancestral borders of Russia. That is one of the reasons why they refuse to grant them independence.

Spend a little time researching things before you go and spout off bullshiat and people may think a little better of you.


The Chechens consider themselves an occupied land. You think Chechen Muslims consider themselves Russian???

You think people living in Northern Ireland consider themselves English too, don't you.
2013-04-20 12:55:55 AM
1 votes:
Can someone explain how this "public safety" exception to Miranda works? I'm fairly certain that not reading you your rights doesn't negate your innate rights in other situations. You can still ask for a lawyer. You can still refuse to answer incriminating questions, etc. Does this kid have any rights during these next 48 hours or he is just not to be informed of his rights during the next 48 hours?

Basically are the feds going to torture this kid for two days without any legal recourse whatsoever?
2013-04-20 12:52:51 AM
1 votes:
Don't read any of the previous threads, morons. Your eleventh-hour first impressions are so...very...valuable. Keep jacking off to your own sexually devastating trolliness.
2013-04-20 12:52:28 AM
1 votes:
2013-04-20 12:50:40 AM
1 votes:

MoxieLover: DamnYankees: To repeat,  Obama saying terrorists failed because Boston refused to be intimidated and we refused to be terrorized.

Give me a farking break. We cowered, just like we do at the mere thought of all terrorism. 2 kids set of a couple bombs and we competely shut down a major city, divert the national attention, deploy insane amounts of resources and top it all off by not Mirandizing the guy.

I'm honestly sickened right now and the 'celebrating' all this crap.

I wish I had more confidence, but we're knowingly letting innocent people starve to death in Gitmo and we not only don't help them, but a majority of AMericans probably are happy to see them die even though the US government has officially proclaimed them innocent.

Label someone a terrorist in this country and I have zero confidence in our rule of law.

He;s lucky he wasn't "accidently" shot. Good thing I'm not a police officer...


yes, i think we can all be grateful that you are not a police officer
2013-04-20 12:50:22 AM
1 votes:

thatboyoverthere: that bosnian sniper: thatboyoverthere: That and Miranda rights only deal with confessions. I think the fact he shot at the cops, has bombs in his apartment and is on tape dropping the bomb is more then enough.

Self-incriminating statements of anykind, and the suspect still must be  in compos mentis at the time they were mirandized.

Chill, brochacho.

Forgot about that. My point is that we've got enough rope to hang him.


You're both a little off.  Miranda only deals with interrogations.  If they guy just started making spontaneous self-incriminating statements there's no miranda issue.  Once he's in custody and they begin questioning, that's when it kicks in.

But yeah, their is no fruit of the poisonous tree to even worry about being excluded.  Not like they don't have the guy dead to rights with all of the evidence they collected before questioning him.
2013-04-20 12:47:36 AM
1 votes:

s2s2s2: Mrtraveler01: Well they are white...

Yeah, yeah. Totally.
My first thought when I look at these guys is, "Anglo(what everyone predicting 'white guys' actually meant)".

[images.bwbx.io image 630x420]
But technically, white.


They're not Anglo, they're Caucasian. There's a difference.
2013-04-20 12:44:55 AM
1 votes:
These guys were around 15 and 8 when they came to the U.S. I see no more reason to care about their nationality, religion, or politics than if we were talking about another pathetic duo, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold. Young psychos full of their own bullshiat.
2013-04-20 12:44:33 AM
1 votes:

Epiphany: Peki: Totally blew me away that they were Russian

Chechen Muslims aren't Russians. Seriously, this thread is full of retards.


This is like arguing people of Irish descent born and raised in the United States aren't American.  You're just being obtuse and trying to conflate nationality and ethnicity way too hard.  Give it a rest.
2013-04-20 12:44:10 AM
1 votes:

Epiphany: Peki: Totally blew me away that they were Russian

Chechen Muslims aren't Russians. Seriously, this thread is full of retards.


Chechnya is in Russia. I get where you are coming from, but technically you are wrong.
2013-04-20 12:43:34 AM
1 votes:

ongbok: Epiphany: Peki: Totally blew me away that they were Russian

Chechen Muslims aren't Russians. Seriously, this thread is full of retards.

So what are they? Isn't Chechnya a region in Russia? So that makes them Russians. Eventhough they want there independence from Russia, they are still Russian. It is like saying that Texans aren't American.


It's like saying Palestinians were Israeli because they were an occupied nation.
2013-04-20 12:40:43 AM
1 votes:
I love threads like this.  not only do i get everything about a breaking story in on place, it helps me full my ignore and favorite lists too.
2013-04-20 12:40:32 AM
1 votes:

Epiphany: Peki: Totally blew me away that they were Russian

Chechen Muslims aren't Russians. Seriously, this thread is full of retards.


So what are they? Isn't Chechnya a region in Russia? So that makes them Russians. Eventhough they want there independence from Russia, they are still Russian. It is like saying that Texans aren't American.
2013-04-20 12:39:44 AM
1 votes:

MisterTweak: Yes please: thisisyourbrainonFark: Let us not talk falsely now because the hour is getting late.

/how drunk is Boston?

Let's see, told not to go to work, locked up in the house all day with the apartment, Friday night, Boston, the Sawx and Brooons both had their games postponed, Boston, Friday night, Boston...


Bostonians get hammered with a particular flair. I was up there for a couple days not too long ago. Walking back to hotel, maybe 10pm on a friday. A guy in his 20's wobbles out of a bar, wearing a good-quality suit and tie. Steps precisely to the curb, toes perched just over the edge of the sidewalk. Uses one hand to hold his tie in place, extends the other hand to the side - for balance, I presume - bends forward with the practiced confidence of an executive in Tokyo, and power-barfs into the street. Stands up, straightens jacket, wipes lip with handkerchief, spins, honor-guard style, on his heel, and marches back into the bar.



Awesome! Lost it at Power-Barf.
2013-04-20 12:39:13 AM
1 votes:

impaler: Tommy Moo: Pretty much. I have never understood why the left in this country is the group that defense these shiatbirds

The left is defending the bombers?

Oh wait, no they're not.

You mean Muslims? Defending them as in "they're not all terrorists."

Yeah, it's about the deference between individuals and groups.


I do mean Muslims. Did you read my post? I wasn't just talking about terrorists. I can't believe that liberals in this country defend Muslims. Whether they are actively killing people or not, they still believe that women are the dominion of men, that science is evil and arrogant, that homosexuals should suffer extreme castigation, and that anyone who is not part of their blood cult will be tortured in hell for all of eternity. Liberals love to hate on Christianity, but for some reason (white guilt comes to mind) they can't express disfavor of Islam, in spite of the fact that it's the exact same farking religion. Every Muslim in the world pretty much believes all the same shiat as Pat Robertson and Mike Huckabee.
2013-04-20 12:37:15 AM
1 votes:

muck4doo: Mrtraveler01: Grand_Moff_Joseph: ...and the Boston area mosque has already been vandalized

https://twitter.com/Ezaffar/status/325462951777673217/photo/1

The local Muslim community here in St. Louis had a press conference earlier today to basically denounce what happened in Boston.

But of course that won't stop people from going "HURR DURR RELIGION OF PEACE!!!"

Nothing they can say will ever get people over their hatred. Have Christians, Gays, or Blacks ever said anything to get their haters to overcome their hate? Getting over hate comes with personal interaction.


I'll admit it, I used to hate German people. I heard stories from both my grandfathers who fought in WW2(one was in the pacific theatre, the other in Europe), and came away thinking they were the most evil people to ever populate the earth. One of their brothers who was just young enough to miss WW2 then started dating this woman from Germany who had went through WW2. I got a chance to talk to her one day, and wasn't shocked to hear what she had to say. She was bragging about how good things were under the Nazi's, and how glorious things would have been if Germany had won. I asked her about the Jews, and she hated them as well. It sealed my hatred of Germans for years. Later in life I got to work with a German immigrant and his daughter, and they were some of the sweetest people I ever met. He told me much about how many Germans didn't know what was going on, and how many are appalled at what happened. He got me to listen, and get over my hate. I will always be thankful for that.
2013-04-20 12:35:24 AM
1 votes:

Kittypie070: Smirky the Wonder Chimp: I am on my fourth bottle of Abita Abbey Ale, and I want you all to know that I love you all.  Even the trolls.  You know who you are.

[beerandamovie.files.wordpress.com image 333x500]

sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk
This has been a good day.  A good day.

2013-04-20 12:35:24 AM
1 votes:

Fark It: shower_in_my_socks: doglover: shower_in_my_socks: Maybe you can share with us your professional law enforcement background that makes you such a great judge about whether the ATF, FBI, and police and SWAT in a major US city, were all "amateurs."

He was talking about the terrorists, not the cops, in the sentence you posted.


Fine, but the sentiment of his post was the same. He thinks the law enforcement was "an embarrassment." Well fark him. I'm a bleeding heart liberal, but this what the law enforcement pulled off in Boston these past 24 hours was farking incredible. And playing it down like it was just some "teenager" -- f*ck, man. That d!ckhead maimed 200 farking people, killed a cop, and seriously wounded another one. It's not like they were teenieboppers throwing rocks at windows.

Lee Harvey Oswald was a Marine and shot the president.  He was captured in an hour, without cell phones, FLIR, helicopters, or tanks roaming the streets, and he wasn't lying in a pool of his own blood.


Lee Harvey didn't have automatic weapons with muliplte clips of ammo and homemade ieds either.  And just cause you were in the service doesn't make you intelligent, not by any means.

/and what about the second shooter??
2013-04-20 12:35:22 AM
1 votes:

HideAndGoFarkYourself: This guy was likely unconscious, or at the least, debilitated to the point where he couldn't understand/waive his rights anyway when arrested


The picture upthread shows a King airway being inserted. Yes, he's unconscious.

One can also be take into custody and not arrested, only to be arrested later and then have the Miranda warning read to them, especially if they have to go to the hospital.

At this point however, who doesn't know the fifth amendment, which is what the Miranda warning addresses.
2013-04-20 12:35:11 AM
1 votes:

al's hat: Manson is just plain crazy so maybe he's happy but ask the whole "et al" how they feel about life in prison.


Manson may not be all that crazy but is definitely a PR person. I know someone who was an art teacher in Vacaville when Manson was there. He told me he was just a normal person until the cameras rolled or was interviewed.
2013-04-20 12:35:08 AM
1 votes:

xnecron: Please read this before maundering about Miranda, public safety exemptions, and the death of the Republic.


You don't need a Miranda warning to keep your biscuit trap shut.

Knowing how to resist torture is another matter.
2013-04-20 12:34:28 AM
1 votes:

Yes please: thisisyourbrainonFark: Let us not talk falsely now because the hour is getting late.

/how drunk is Boston?

Let's see, told not to go to work, locked up in the house all day with the apartment, Friday night, Boston, the Sawx and Brooons both had their games postponed, Boston, Friday night, Boston...


Bostonians get hammered with a particular flair. I was up there for a couple days not too long ago. Walking back to hotel, maybe 10pm on a friday. A guy in his 20's wobbles out of a bar, wearing a good-quality suit and tie. Steps precisely to the curb, toes perched just over the edge of the sidewalk. Uses one hand to hold his tie in place, extends the other hand to the side - for balance, I presume - bends forward with the practiced confidence of an executive in Tokyo, and power-barfs into the street. Stands up, straightens jacket, wipes lip with handkerchief, spins, honor-guard style, on his heel, and marches back into the bar.
2013-04-20 12:33:31 AM
1 votes:

Smirky the Wonder Chimp: I am on my fourth bottle of Abita Abbey Ale, and I want you all to know that I love you all.  Even the trolls.  You know who you are.

[beerandamovie.files.wordpress.com image 333x500]


*burble*
2013-04-20 12:31:54 AM
1 votes:

Grand_Moff_Joseph: ..and the Boston area mosque has already been vandalized

https://twitter.com/Ezaffar/status/325462951777673217/photo/1



And in the past 2 months several christian churches in that area have been vandalized.

http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2013/02/03/three-wilmington-churches -v andalized-police-say/tqnjRUEGG2p7WTXuX4eBnN/story.html

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/03/15/westport-church-offers-r ew ard-find-vandals/UGPePreRGluhYaTJd85nvJ/story.html

Not that anyone cares, or that they will be called a "hate crimes", or cause any hand wringing (or even be noticed at all) by the sensitive enlightened crowd.  *Shrug*
2013-04-20 12:31:19 AM
1 votes:

cretinbob: So yeah, right wing conservatives


And all it took for this to become a talking point was a couple bombs and a few threads! I also want to give an honorable mention to Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins for making it ok for white men to criticize Islam. Them and these two "white rightwingers" from Boston.

And by the way: Atheism is a religion!
2013-04-20 12:30:24 AM
1 votes:

al's hat: cretinbob: BuckTurgidson: walkerhound: From Reddit:

[i.imgur.com image 850x531]

What's a "reddit"?

It's a thing that wishes it were Fark, but SSSSSUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKS

I chuckled...thank you!


Sadly, no. I so love Fark. But the upvote and comment sorting are but two features that give Reddit the lead.

Yet I am still drawn to you sweet sweet Fark. What ARE your powers over me?
2013-04-20 12:29:38 AM
1 votes:

Nadie_AZ: derpy: Grand_Moff_Joseph: ...and the Boston area mosque has already been vandalized

https://twitter.com/Ezaffar/status/325462951777673217/photo/1

"Graffiti at Cambridge, MA Mosque"

Google "Graffiti at Cambridge, MA Mosque"

Whar mosque? Whar?

/I smell cow poopie

I was friends with several muslims in Arlington TX and attended their mosque several times. It was in an old strip mall- the only part of the building still in use. They were trying to raise money to build a nice mosque, but that was still in the fundraising stage.


To add, as a kid, when we lived in Western NY, we attended our mormon church at an old Granger building. They hadn't raised money to build one of those, then, either.

So a non-churchy looking building can still be a church.
2013-04-20 12:29:26 AM
1 votes:

torquestripe: Peki: UNC_Samurai: mikaloyd: Can somebody go back into Mondays thread and name and shame all the idiots who were wrong about these bombers' races, religions,nationalities, and political affiliations? Then quote them here? Because that'd be fun to see. And help with ignore lists.

All right, I'll apologize.  I jumped the gun, and pegged the bomber as a State of Franklin neo-separatist.  I admit, it was bigoted and illogical to paint everyone living in the area south of the Cumberland Gap as radical militants who wanted nothing more than to divest themselves from North Carolina and Tennessee.  I'm sure many people living in the mountains are hard-working folk who just want micro-regional representation.  I will endeavor from this day forth to work towards improving attitudes in society towards Franklin-Americans.

I'll join this train. My stance was always that I hoped it was white guys so that the collateral damage from possible resulting xenophobic racism would be minimal. Totally blew me away that they were Russian. This really seems like one of those instances where you get a whole bunch of adjectives together that seem to not fit, and yet exist anyway. Everyone wins, and everyone lost. I do hope the remaining suspect is treated with the dignity and respect an American citizen deserves. I'd really like to turn our reputation with the rest of the world around a little bit.

Now, the fallout. Popcorn time.

President Obama committed a drone strike on American citizens, killing them.  What dignity and respect were they extended by our government?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki


Apples =/= Oranges
2013-04-20 12:29:17 AM
1 votes:

cretinbob: Tommy Moo: Pretty much. I have never understood why the left in this country is the group that defense these shiatbirds. Everything about Islam fundamentalist Christianity is regressive and right winged. They hate women and homosexuals, view science and modern medicine as human arrogance, and believe that apostasy carries a death sentence.

And that's the "moderate" ones. The only difference between moderate and fundamentalist Muslims is that moderate ones just believe abhorrent, right-winged horseshiat quietly, and aren't actively trying to murder us to spread it.

Yeah, the problem is fundamentalism, not which magic book you read.


Circle gets the square.
2013-04-20 12:28:41 AM
1 votes:

Mrtraveler01: Grand_Moff_Joseph: ...and the Boston area mosque has already been vandalized

https://twitter.com/Ezaffar/status/325462951777673217/photo/1

The local Muslim community here in St. Louis had a press conference earlier today to basically denounce what happened in Boston.

But of course that won't stop people from going "HURR DURR RELIGION OF PEACE!!!"


Nothing they can say will ever get people over their hatred. Have Christians, Gays, or Blacks ever said anything to get their haters to overcome their hate? Getting over hate comes with personal interaction.
2013-04-20 12:27:29 AM
1 votes:

Tommy Moo: Pretty much. I have never understood why the left in this country is the group that defense these shiatbirds


The left is defending the bombers?

Oh wait, no they're not.

You mean Muslims? Defending them as in "they're not all terrorists."

Yeah, it's about the deference between individuals and groups.
2013-04-20 12:27:17 AM
1 votes:

Fubini: tenpoundsofcheese: You don't feel malice towards a guy who puts a bomb directly in back of a kid and kills him and blows the legs off of his sister
and kills a cop, gets into a fire fight with police?

WTF does someone have to do for you to feel malice towards them?

This guy seems like he was caught up with bad company and a bad situation. He's certainly a bad guy, but I don't feel like he's terrorist-evil, more naive. But that's just my read on the situation, none of us really know what's going through the guy's head.


The guys at Nuremberg tried that defense too.
It is sick that people buy it and are terrorist apologists.
2013-04-20 12:27:05 AM
1 votes:

worlddan: High Fives for what? Near as I can tell it was a lot of wasted tax dollars. The police didn't even find him, some guy checking his yard did. Just think, if the police hadn't scared the hell out of everyone and so they stayed inside he would have been found hours ago. Well, more overtime for all the police; I can't wait to see the bill on that. I bet the police union will want a new contract now. For nothing. If these dimwits bombers had even half a brain they never would have been caught be these stooges.

EMBARRASSING


Dude, guins and martial arts do not help you to catch a criminal, or anyone for that matter. Patience and investigation help you to catch somone who is trying to hide. the reason for cops to run around is to stop any other terroists from popping up in the meatime.

I think Boston did everything right.
2013-04-20 12:26:27 AM
1 votes:

Mrtraveler01: Grand_Moff_Joseph: ...and the Boston area mosque has already been vandalized

https://twitter.com/Ezaffar/status/325462951777673217/photo/1

The local Muslim community here in St. Louis had a press conference earlier today to basically denounce what happened in Boston.

But of course that won't stop people from going "HURR DURR RELIGION OF PEACE!!!"


Their religion had as much to do with this as their nationality did.

/That is, nothing, for those of you who need a whole potato to count to it.
2013-04-20 12:23:28 AM
1 votes:

Noam Chimpsky: Lionel Mandrake: Noam Chimpsky: Stoj: Turns out no Miranda rights after all.

Thanks Obama!

Where the fark does this "right to remain silent" bullshiat come from in the first place? I ain't finding it in the 5th Amendment or anywhere else in the Constitution.

You have the right to not offer information that may incriminate yourself.  If you have no law-talking guy present, you "plead the 5th" to keep from providing information that you are not required to provide.

Now, whether your rights can be violated without you having knowledge of your rights, and thus their violation, is the question.

The Constitution doesn't even say you have the right to not offer information that may incriminate yourself but even if you want to claim it does, it sure as hell doesn't give you the right to remain silent.


Perhaps you've heard of the Supreme Court?

Yeah...I'm going to take their word over yours...k?
2013-04-20 12:23:01 AM
1 votes:

Grand_Moff_Joseph: ...and the Boston area mosque has already been vandalized

https://twitter.com/Ezaffar/status/325462951777673217/photo/1


The local Muslim community here in St. Louis had a press conference earlier today to basically denounce what happened in Boston.

But of course that won't stop people from going "HURR DURR RELIGION OF PEACE!!!"
2013-04-20 12:21:50 AM
1 votes:

cretinbob: Tommy Moo: philotech: Tommy Moo: GoldSpider: And how can we call this "terrorism" without knowing the bombers' motive?

They were radical Muslims who grew to hate this country because we tolerate homosexuality and female sexuality. Next?

Citation please.

Here's two for you:

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/459179/20130419/tamerlan-tsarnaev- bo xer-boston-marathon.htm

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/459253/20130419/feiz-mohammad-tame rl an-tsarnaev-boston-marathon.htm

So yeah, right wing conservatives


Pretty much. I have never understood why the left in this country is the group that defense these shiatbirds. Everything about Islam is regressive and right winged. They hate women and homosexuals, view science and modern medicine as human arrogance, and believe that apostasy carries a death sentence.

And that's the "moderate" ones. The only difference between moderate and fundamentalist Muslims is that moderate ones just believe abhorrent, right-winged horseshiat quietly, and aren't actively trying to murder us to spread it.
2013-04-20 12:21:50 AM
1 votes:

UNC_Samurai: Kittypie070: muck, I think that paulseta dude is smoking it up somethin' early.

I think meow has a new alt.


Nope, dude's got an ultra low Fark number. Ain't meow.
2013-04-20 12:21:47 AM
1 votes:

BuckTurgidson: walkerhound: From Reddit:

[i.imgur.com image 850x531]

What's a "reddit"?


It's a thing that wishes it were Fark, but SSSSSUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKS
2013-04-20 12:21:25 AM
1 votes:

Your Average Witty Fark User: MustangFive: irishman4: liberals piss me off.

yeah... Damn liberals. Wanting that damn Constitution to be followed and all. Buncha pussies.

I WANNA SEE BLOOD!!! BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!!

STFU, EABOD & DIAF.

I couldn't have posted anything more appropriate at this time.


I disagree. We've got way too many people who want to worship Khorne, and nowhere near enough that want to Worship Slaanesh.
2013-04-20 12:20:53 AM
1 votes:
Let us not talk falsely now because the hour is getting late.

/how drunk is Boston?
2013-04-20 12:19:33 AM
1 votes:

MustangFive: irishman4: liberals piss me off.

yeah... Damn liberals. Wanting that damn Constitution to be followed and all. Buncha pussies.

I WANNA SEE BLOOD!!! BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!!

STFU, EABOD & DIAF.


I couldn't have posted anything more appropriate at this time.
2013-04-20 12:19:27 AM
1 votes:
...and the Boston area mosque has already been vandalized

https://twitter.com/Ezaffar/status/325462951777673217/photo/1
2013-04-20 12:18:02 AM
1 votes:

thisiszombocom: im glad this is all over, but what bothers me is that theres little that can be done to prevent something like this from happening again.


The weird thing is how few people realize this has been attempted over and over, but the FBI caught and stopped all the other ones before now.

http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/files/serve?File_id =a dec6e10-68ed-4413-8934-3623edc62cef

In the past few days threads I have been continuously amazed by how some people think this particular muslim plot was somehow unique.
2013-04-20 12:18:00 AM
1 votes:

Kittypie070: muck, I think that paulseta dude is smoking it up somethin' early.


I think meow has a new alt.
2013-04-20 12:16:01 AM
1 votes:

Fista-Phobia: paulseta: What happened in the really but different? Suspect the second, was arrested the bombing of the night of Friday the day of the hunting season they. Dzhokhar Tsarnaev found after seeing the blood on a boat to park behind the home of resident of Watertown. Under the cover of plastic, human blood is looking for people inside, and the boat. Officers answer, they threw a grenade "flash bang" to flush out of the boat. Meantimes the President was being selected and Miloš Zeman was the first directly elected Czech President! Night of any late Thursday ended in shocking spasm of violence began. I was killed, his brother, the Tamerlan Tsarnaev a shot to the upper Tsarnaev policeman was carjacked Mercedes suspect has been killed and police officers Tsarnaev.
Test of Friday night ended with a flood of relief as know we do (know). "You are exceeding the hunt ... and justice. Suspect, in custody" Twitter is writing to the Boston police station. Applause at the scene, bystanders. SWAT is passing trucks, officers returned the feeling: and "Thank you", he said to each speaker. "It is a happy thing."
Head Timothy Al Ben, Massachusetts police "We have a suspect in custody." "We guys are. You are tired, tonight. Are here to win we"
Already problems!
Feelings of loss of height, has been shown already in depth and in the cube. A few days here, violent riots, increased the efficacy of the new text Tsarnaevs.
As a victim, researchers turned into another task on Friday to determine how the violence is. He said to the dealer, was involved in attack and there is no evidence to authorities beyond the 2 Tsarnaev brothers marathon anyone excepting misteatching of where. That warning alarm of federal authorities, self-responsibility and lawyer warning "Miranda" of Tsarnaev he was right is, project delays. Because they still, the public, are at risk, you may have to say is an exception if it. Before you were planning to Tsarnaev, you might have read the Miranda rights to bomb other partne ...


That gif goes on forever ...
2013-04-20 12:12:58 AM
1 votes:
muck, I think that paulseta dude is smoking it up somethin' early.
2013-04-20 12:12:42 AM
1 votes:

al's hat: What's really the difference between a life sentence or death sentence as long as they are removed from the gene pool?


1) They can murder again in jail. Big problem. Can't do anything about a lifer who's a repeat murder. What are they gonna do, increase his sentence?

2) He can influence other inmates.

3) He can escape and murder again.

4) He can have his sentence commuted.

5) He might be able to score a conjugal visit.
2013-04-20 12:09:03 AM
1 votes:

saturn badger: machoprogrammer: And the funny part is all the feds and police wouldn't have caught them if they hadn't been stupid and hightailed it the fark out of there before anyone knew who they were.

The guy in the hospital fingered them first and then someone who knew who #2 was called the FBI. They may have gotten out but they were doomed from the minute that pic was published. There was no escaping this one.


They seemed to think that they were too slick and would get away with it. It was reported that after the bombings they went on with their everyday lives. Black hat went back home, and white hat went back to campus and was there as late as Wednesday. When their pictures were released is when they met back up and tried to run, and that is when all of this madness started.
2013-04-20 12:07:27 AM
1 votes:
Gettin' kinds thick in here - time to turn on the filter.
i18.photobucket.com
2013-04-20 12:06:55 AM
1 votes:
4/20 should now and forever be known as New England clam chowder day for those who don't participate in the smokable herb.
2013-04-20 12:06:38 AM
1 votes:

Tommy Moo: GoldSpider: And how can we call this "terrorism" without knowing the bombers' motive?

They were radical Muslims who grew to hate this country because we tolerate homosexuality and female sexuality. Next?


Hell...how do we even know they're not right-wing without knowing their motives?

I sorta hope he wakes up and, when asked why, he says, "We did it for Sean. We did it for Bill. We did it for Rush, and Glenn, and Michael, and Ann, and Michelle, and Alex, and Wayne, and Pat, and all the other people who are trying to bring America back to God. You think we gave a damn about a land we never saw? Well, we give a damn about America, and those right-thinking individuals are doing more to bring America back in line with God than most people ever could. They serve God just as we as Muslims do, and for that, they will be rewarded in heaven, as my brother is being rewarded right now."

Not gonna happen, I know. But I can dream, can't I?
2013-04-20 12:01:43 AM
1 votes:
I posted this in a redlit thread regarding the "public safety" exception to Miranda rights:


"IMO, we've suffered enough abuses today, with the undeclared martial law being enforced in the city of Boston and the warrantless house to house searches that were conducted in a 20-block area, when this untrained teenager with serious gunshot wounds hid for 18 hours a couple of blocks from where he ditched his car.
All I hear from Boston and Washington is a bunch of back-slapping and hero worship of the police and DHS.  This was an embarrassment from a law enforcement perspective, if these were actual operatives or people with military training they'd be long gone or would have taken out a lot more people.
A 19-year old college student with no formal training and serious wounds was able to successfully hide from thousands of highly-trained law enforcement "professionals," with their sniffer dogs, helicopters, robots, tanks, and tactical bullshiat for almost a whole day?  Shameful."

These guys were amateurs, and they shut down a major city for a day, while we essentially declared martial law.  And the politicians and police are up on their soapboxes beating their chests and suckin' each other's dicks, and you jingoistic morons are eating it up.  They're amateurs, and they won.

USA! USA! USA!  WE'RE #1
2013-04-20 12:00:11 AM
1 votes:

FLMountainMan: Olfin Bedwere: So this will free up Obama's schedule so he can visit West, Texas, right? I certainly hope so, and I'm not being snarky about it.

Think about how crazy this week has been.  There's a mushroom cloud over a city in Texas, 20 people dead, 200 injured and it's back page news.

An Elvis impersonator sending ricin-poisoned letters to the President and Congress is the third craziest news story this week.


And the antics of a bellicose commie dictator boy god-king with a nuke are back page news
2013-04-19 11:59:49 PM
1 votes:

Tommy Moo: GoldSpider: And how can we call this "terrorism" without knowing the bombers' motive?

They were radical Muslims who grew to hate this country because we tolerate homosexuality and female sexuality. Next?


Citation please.
2013-04-19 11:59:28 PM
1 votes:

Tommy Moo: They were radical Muslims who grew to hate this country because we tolerate homosexuality and female sexuality. Next?


Muslims / Islam - is that the reason?
2013-04-19 11:57:19 PM
1 votes:
i770.photobucket.com There must be some way out of here" said the joker to the thief
"There's too much confusion", I can't get no relief
2013-04-19 11:55:13 PM
1 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: Fubini: Given everything I've read, I don't feel malice towards this guy they just captured.


You don't feel malice towards a guy who puts a bomb directly in back of a kid and kills him and blows the legs off of his sister
and kills a cop, gets into a fire fight with police?

WTF does someone have to do for you to feel malice towards them?


Talk about his mama
2013-04-19 11:54:10 PM
1 votes:
He would have gotten away if it wasn't for that meddling smoking guy.

*ducks*
2013-04-19 11:53:25 PM
1 votes:

Fissile: According to recent reports, the older brother was a student who was married to an American woman, and they have a child.


...though yeah, the older brother having a wife and kid would make you think, maybe he found peace already finally. But... maybe not. Can't deny I'm curious to see what the younger brother is gonna say about how older brother approached him.
2013-04-19 11:53:00 PM
1 votes:

Fubini: Given everything I've read, I don't feel malice towards this guy they just captured.


I feel the same way. I still think he should be in jail for the rest of his life, of course, but I just don't feel the same bloodlust that I otherwise might feel.
2013-04-19 11:51:33 PM
1 votes:

dark brew: Pumpernickel bread: As a I said upthread a bit, Jeffrey Dahmer didn't die of old age in prison with his life sentence.

You cited the one example of a mass murderer that actually got it in prison.  Kaczinski, Manson, Kuklinski, et al all seem to be doing just fine behind bars.


Dahmer was killed because he refused solitary confinement.  It's pretty hard to be killed in prison when you never interact with other prisoners.


Solitary confinement for the rest of your life, is worse than death.
2013-04-19 11:50:55 PM
1 votes:

Fubini: Given everything I've read, I don't feel malice towards this guy they just captured.



You don't feel malice towards a guy who puts a bomb directly in back of a kid and kills him and blows the legs off of his sister
and kills a cop, gets into a fire fight with police?

WTF does someone have to do for you to feel malice towards them?
2013-04-19 11:50:44 PM
1 votes:
This whole thing has sucked.  I'm really looking forward to going to downtown Boston tomorrow and not worrying about anything for a while.  It's going to be 420 all day, and I think our city needs to let off some steam.
2013-04-19 11:49:44 PM
1 votes:

muck4doo: Any law on how loud you have to say the miranda rights?


They must be loud enough to be  heard over the background maracas.
2013-04-19 11:48:10 PM
1 votes:

edmo: Some of you have a decision to make. You can continue to deny right wing conservative wackos did this or you can blame Islamic inspired terrorists. You can't do both.

/Congrats to Obama on yet another terrorist take down.


Actually, both sides of the Internet polity won this one.  The suspects claimed to be Muslims, so the Right wins.  The suspects were Caucasian rightwingers, so the Left wins.
2013-04-19 11:45:58 PM
1 votes:

somedude210: If you're gonna call yourselves journalists and report the news as fact, then it should be made up of facts, not conjecture, not opinion.


I can't believe you'd cast this stone in the very same post were you posted some "Criminal Minds" fanfic about how The Hat Brothers ended up on the wrong side of the law because one guy didn't have any friends and the other guy idolized the first guy.
2013-04-19 11:44:48 PM
1 votes:

somedude210: If I may put out a possible theory to motive, I don't think White hat's heart was really in this. This seemed to be all his brother's plan. Look at how they dressed on monday, Black Hat, while suspicious, was almost impossible to get an ID on. White hat? He didn't try to hide himself at all. Friends and schoolmates of White hat all say he was a great kid and I have to say, I saw his twitter feed and russian facebook page and I really didn't see anything outright damning on there. The only thing political I saw was video put out by Syrian rebels saying that the secular Assad was attacking them because of faith. Nothing else he posted was religious in nature.

His brother had motive to do something rash. He wasn't liked in America (or at least had no friends), he couldn't understand Americans, he had dislike for our ways of money, sex and material possessions (his brother however, said his goal was to have a career and money), and he was snubbed a chance to box in the Olympics for the US.

That snubbing probably is what set him off. We've all talked about symbolism of this attack, why someone would hit a marathon of all things. The bombs were placed at the finish line, of an event that takes a great deal of perseverance, strength and endurance to accomplish. It is by no means an easy task. When you cross that finish line, you do something truly noteworthy. So why not destroy those dreams like his dreams were destroyed?

From there, he convinces his little brother (who probably looked up to him) about how the US, their adoptive country of which they held no ill will towards, snubbed this three time golden glove winner's chance for an Olympic gold and to prove his dedication to his country and/or homeland (he had hoped to play for either the US or Chechnya).

Black hat takes them on a chase, and massive gun battle, of which he goes down. Now White Hat is scared and lost. His only motivation for doing this is dead, he has no direction, he's probably injured, covered in t ...


===================

According to recent reports, the older brother was a student who was married to an American woman, and they have a child.  He also drove a Benz, had money to pay rent, take vacations, party and go to bars.  So, to sum up, your theory is being knifed to death by a gang of facts.
2013-04-19 11:44:38 PM
1 votes:

ha-ha-guy: Well on the police tactics, given that:

1.  The cops apparently did manage to locate all automobiles he could use to escape (the Honda(s)).
2.  They had enough fire power in the area he didn't feel comfortable going for a second car jacking.
3.  They had enough of an impact he felt the need to go ground in the back of a boat despite being injured.
4.  They were close enough to respond to a 911 call and contain him once a third party found him.
5.  They did all this all based on a shooting that occurred last night.
6.  Only 1 dead cop (MIT) and one wounded (Transit), no dead third parties, and they took the guy alive.

This doesn't exactly go down in the annuals of history as a police fail.  Sure we can hindsight their decision the perimeter size, but it did get the job done in the sense of forcing him to ground.


Yeah, but just nodding our heads and saying "Yep, that was handled well" doesn't give the threadshiatting trolls their hard-whored-for attention.
2013-04-19 11:44:18 PM
1 votes:
If the bombing had been in Los Angeles, seven of the two suspects would be dead already.
2013-04-19 11:43:49 PM
1 votes:

muck4doo: silgryphon: Can I get a what what

What what?


WHAT WHAT!
2013-04-19 11:42:40 PM
1 votes:
Doesn't there have to be a political agenda tied to the violence to be "terrorism"?
2013-04-19 11:42:30 PM
1 votes:
For the record, here are all of the thread badges used over the last 24 hours:

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2013-04-19 11:41:08 PM
1 votes:

Stone Meadow: Gyrfalcon: Stone Meadow said in the last thread, "This is the new face of radical Islam...pretend to be well-integrated citizens while you plot to blow up shiat."  I dunno about anyone else, but I thought plotting to blow up shiat was an ingrained part of American culture since time immemorial, so that alone would tend to demonstrate you've integrated well.  (tl;dr: are you a radical Islamist, a redneck, or a patriot? hard to tell)

They may have "integrated well"--but not too wisely. Usually it's better, if you're a radical extremist, to make people aware of your cause FIRST, and THEN blow something up. It's generally counterproductive to blow something up first and only then discover that nobody in your target area has the first clue about "Chechnya? Where the f*ck is Chechnya? Is that part of China?"

Actually, now it turns out that the FBI watched the elder brother for years (Source) as he slowly radicalized himself into a jihadist. Visiting Russia (and likely Chechens there); hanging on forums with them, and spending hours on Skype with them. He was a bomber looking for a place to happen. Because of this event I wouldn't want to be any of the many young disaffected Muslims in America on the FBI's close-watch list. Those guys will no longer get the benefit of the doubt...they'll be getting one-way airline tickets 'home'.


My boss had an interesting take on this. He wondered this morning if the younger brother (the one who's alive) might have WANTED to get caught. Walking around in the open on Monday, with his hat on backward--he had to know everyone would have a good view of him, and his picture was being taken from every possible angle. It could have been an unconscious desire to get caught.
2013-04-19 11:40:35 PM
1 votes:
I'm glad it's over.  But there's nothing to celebrate.  Mourn the dead, yes.
2013-04-19 11:33:21 PM
1 votes:

Bathia_Mapes: The homeowner saw blood on the ground near the boat & alerted the authorities.


Actually blood on the tarp and a cut strap. The owner got a ladder and looked in and saw him.

At least that is according to a few reports. Dunno about the rest.
2013-04-19 11:30:44 PM
1 votes:

al's hat: zabadu: A reporter on CNN keeps pronouncing ambulance as AM Boo Lance.

I had some bad psghetti at the libary onect and hads to go in the amboolance.  It was very fustrating!


Milk shot out of my nose, and I'm not even drinking milk
2013-04-19 11:30:15 PM
1 votes:

scottydoesntknow: Lionel Mandrake: Olfin Bedwere: Lionel Mandrake: Mad_Radhu: /Seriously, though, I'm cool with the thought of him spending the next 80 years full of regret and sadness. unable to even kill himself to end his sad life. All he has to look forward to is his body slowly decaying away until he dies alone and unloved, haunted by the thoughts of the life he could have had.

That's always struck me as odd...pro-death penalty opponents (many) seem to think that life in jail is somehow less of a punishment than execution...

Which would you prefer, people?  And if it's death you prefer, you'll still be able to achieve that goal with a life sentence.

Life in prison is not a pleasant alternative.

Exactly my point.  Die now?, or spend years or decades in a tiny cage and then die?

Well most people say they don't want to spend the tax dollars keeping them alive (next someone will post a graphic showing it costs more to execute, that's not my point). I'd like to see him rot in prison, too. No voice to the outside, no contact. Just having to constantly watch his back because everyone at the Supermax will know what he did.


Supermax is growing more muslim/islamic every day! Look at the prisoners incarcerated there. Just by being alive they are a voice to the misguided outside the prison walls.
Better to glean as much information from the terrorists and then execute .
2013-04-19 11:28:55 PM
1 votes:

Clark W Griswald: US. Taking your rights away one nut bag at a time.


Move to Somalia if you don't like living in the United States
2013-04-19 11:28:36 PM
1 votes:

GAT_00: Gyrfalcon: Long answer: Yes, because Miranda is only to ADVISE you of your rights. Your rights are guaranteed in the constitution. The Miranda warning is only given because (based on the case) some people are unaware of their rights, or not aware they have them, or not given the option to exercise them--but you always have them, because the 5th and 6th Amendment are always in play. If this kid wakes up from surgery and they start talking to him and he says "STFU, go away, I want a lawyer," then even if they haven't read his rights, they have to STFU and go away. They don't get to say "Ha ha! You don't have any rights yet because we didn't read them to you!"

I like how you went to "you have rights, and Miranda is there to make sure you know them" to "that's why nobody has to tell you your rights with Miranda!"


Miranda is about interrogation, not just arrest.  The point of Miranda is that "you have rights concerning custodial interrogation, and Miranda is there to make sure you know them."  So, it is entirely reasonable to wait to administer Miranda warnings until the guy is going to be interrogated.  Here, it seems like the first priority is to get the guy treated and stabilized - once that happens, then the guy will be interrogated, and before he is, he will be "Mirandized."
2013-04-19 11:28:09 PM
1 votes:
In 9 months Boston is going to have a baby boom from all the people that stayed home from work today and got tired of the constant coverage of the bombers and decided to do something else for a while. And of course all of the after partying!
2013-04-19 11:28:02 PM
1 votes:

jonathan_L: I've been looking at Chinese papers all week via thepaperboy.com and I've seen zero photos of Lu Lingzi in them. The pages tend to be pretty text-heavy, and I don't read characters as well as I'd like, but you'd think that if the papers (and the government they're answerable to) actually did give two shiats about her, you'd see a photo or two.


Huaren.us, the big message board for Chinese in North America, is kind of torn on their theories.  Either she has a family member high enough up in the CCP to ensure the media leaves them alone or the CCP has decided nothing good can come of the story and ordered it handled in a non sensational fashion (and now that Sichuan just has an earthquake, they can totally drop it in favor of most glorious and heroic response to the earthquake).

Also lots of comments on how open and transparent the American government has been about this compared to how the Chinese government buries its disasters.  Could be the CCP thinks they'll just get burned if they make this a big story.  Plus compared to Chinese cops and how inefficient they normally are, Boston PD looks like freaking SOCOM.

/flying to Chengdu tomorrow for business
//well likely sitting at Shanghai Pudong tomorrow and reading the list of cancelled flights
/oh well, Nanjing Road in Shanghai is nice, I could go for some Shanghai Street food
2013-04-19 11:28:00 PM
1 votes:
And how can we call this "terrorism" without knowing the bombers' motive?
2013-04-19 11:27:16 PM
1 votes:

GoldSpider: I think we'll all be a little disappointed if they police don't find an AR-15 among the suspects' possessions.


uh? an AK-15 or an AR-47 ? they're from the 'Russian assault rifle' crowd, bro.
2013-04-19 11:27:09 PM
1 votes:
Good speech by Obama so far.
2013-04-19 11:26:10 PM
1 votes:

dennysgod: Clark W Griswald: scottydoesntknow: Clark W Griswald: US. Taking your rights away one nut bag at a time.

What rights were taken away?

Shutting down boston and all the future US cities to come. It's a precedent now and will continue in the future whether you believe it or not.

It was the local cops that SHUT DOWN ANYTHING and local authority shutting down parts, if not all of a town, is nothing new, happens quite often in winter after a major snow storm, or in other areas where other natural and sometime man-made disasters happen.

Hell just a few weeks ago they shut down Duluth because of a snow storm, told everybody to stay indoors and told outsiders to stay out. So no precedent was set today.


Wasn't even the Boston.  It was Watertown that shut down.  Boston was open, except for the 15 block crime scene.  It was dead because the MBTA coordinated with state officials and shut down to limit the suspects options to leave Watertown.

Boston?  Anyone who wanted to could drive in.  Some people still went to work, but most said "fark it 3 day weekend" and watching this interesting thing on TV.

Charlestown, North End, Southie, Dot, Roxie?  All bumping today and BAU.  Same with Someville and Medford.  Places with lots of offices were dead, cause everyone took the day off, not because they were locked inside.

Here's a hint folks, the media probably isn't reporting right on the places they're not.  They can barley get it right on the places they in and focused on!
2013-04-19 11:25:18 PM
1 votes:
I think we'll all be a little disappointed if they police don't find an AR-15 among the suspects' possessions.
2013-04-19 11:24:59 PM
1 votes:

GAT_00: Gyrfalcon: GAT_00: Gyrfalcon: Long answer: Yes, because Miranda is only to ADVISE you of your rights. Your rights are guaranteed in the constitution. The Miranda warning is only given because (based on the case) some people are unaware of their rights, or not aware they have them, or not given the option to exercise them--but you always have them, because the 5th and 6th Amendment are always in play. If this kid wakes up from surgery and they start talking to him and he says "STFU, go away, I want a lawyer," then even if they haven't read his rights, they have to STFU and go away. They don't get to say "Ha ha! You don't have any rights yet because we didn't read them to you!"

I like how you went to "you have rights, and Miranda is there to make sure you know them" to "that's why nobody has to tell you your rights with Miranda!"

Don't you have to go tell the Joint Chiefs of Staff how to run a war or something? Or direct cleanup operations in West, TX? We don't need you here.

You're being a douchebag, why?

Your logic is inconsistent.  Just because you have rights, does not mean you are necessarily aware of them.  That's why you get read them, to make SURE you know you have them.


To answer your juvenile question, nobody has to GIVE you your rights, because rights cannot be given. They exist. Miranda rights are read to make sure you "know" them, but if your rights are not "read" to you does  not mean that you don't have them. Police cannot refuse to give you a lawyer, or stop questioning you when you demand, because they haven't read you your rights.

Now, do you understand the distinction I am making here, which is that regardless of whether our suspect has had his Miranda rights read or not, he still has the right to terminate questioning if he so chooses? The reason they are opting not to read him his rights now is so that they can talk to him and hopefully get some actionable intel out of him, with the full knowledge it won't be usable in court--but that doesn't mean he can't stop talking if he wants to.

As to why I'm being unpleasant, well, you can figure that out on your own too.
2013-04-19 11:24:18 PM
1 votes:

Shyla: Maximer: So... on an aside... My wife is Russian and she is royally pissed that the media is saying the Chechens are Russians. Whether you agree or not, the Russian people want nothing to do with these people (the bombers) or the Chechens in general.

Except when Chechnya broke apart from Russia and Russia re-invaded them to take control of them. Sounds like *someone* in Russia wants a part of them.

============

There's nothing much of value in Chechnya.   The entire place is an ass-backward clusterfark.  The Russians refer to the Chechens, and most everyone else in the Caucasuses,  as "black asses".   The Russians don't want to lose any territory, even if it is worthless, because it sets a bad example, and there are places near Chechnya that have oil.........lots of it.  They don;t want anyone else to get any ideas.
2013-04-19 11:22:46 PM
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: Stone Meadow said in the last thread, "This is the new face of radical Islam...pretend to be well-integrated citizens while you plot to blow up shiat."  I dunno about anyone else, but I thought plotting to blow up shiat was an ingrained part of American culture since time immemorial, so that alone would tend to demonstrate you've integrated well.  (tl;dr: are you a radical Islamist, a redneck, or a patriot? hard to tell)

They may have "integrated well"--but not too wisely. Usually it's better, if you're a radical extremist, to make people aware of your cause FIRST, and THEN blow something up. It's generally counterproductive to blow something up first and only then discover that nobody in your target area has the first clue about "Chechnya? Where the f*ck is Chechnya? Is that part of China?"


Actually, now it turns out that the FBI watched the elder brother for years (Source) as he slowly radicalized himself into a jihadist. Visiting Russia (and likely Chechens there); hanging on forums with them, and spending hours on Skype with them. He was a bomber looking for a place to happen. Because of this event I wouldn't want to be any of the many young disaffected Muslims in America on the FBI's close-watch list. Those guys will no longer get the benefit of the doubt...they'll be getting one-way airline tickets 'home'.
2013-04-19 11:22:24 PM
1 votes:

theknuckler_33: I can NOT believe you are forcing me to agree with goofysavior. Dude... This was handled just about as well as could have possibly been expected. Seriously, what exactly was badly handled?


First, a random person was held on the ground for 15 minutes, allowing this guy to escape in the first place because they let their net collapse.  Then, after running in circles all night, they lost him, so they decided to more or less declare martial law in Boston.  Then, they proceeded to execute warrantless searches of Watertown, which completely failed to find the guy that was 5 miles away from where he was lost and hiding in a boat the entire time, and was found by said boat's owner.  Not one single thing the police did from the time he went to ground until the time he was found by the boat's owner was worth anything.

The only positive in all of this is the BPD didn't kill any random people.
2013-04-19 11:22:06 PM
1 votes:

torquestripe: And I want YOU to pay to house him in prison for the rest of his miserable life. Execution is the fiscally responsible way out.
Please tell me why this shiat stain deserves to live. Please!


Except it isn't. When you calculate in the price of the necessary appeals (and they're necessary) the death penalty is crazy expensive, more than regular prison.

It's not about this guy deserving to live or not, though. Death penalty or not is about whether the state might accidentally execute innocent people, and sadly the answer is "vastly probably yes" and so... it's a fence, to say, don't execute people.

But, this isn't the thread for it, so I'll shut up now.
2013-04-19 11:21:56 PM
1 votes:
Anybody else think that the conspiracy types will use the fact that he was taken alive as proof of the conspiracy? I imagine something along the lines of "he couldn't REALLY have eluded the police for that long, they were in on it, they let him stay out there to make the whole thing look real and then got the signal it was okay to capture him and then magically knew where he was. Isn't it awfully convenient that the owner of the boat just happened to step out into his own back yard?

But if he had been killed, I'm sure it would be "well, they had to kill him, they couldn't take the chance of him talking and revealing the conspiracy, the poor patsy had to die."

It what I hate about them. Every single thing is a conspiracy and and every single thing is evidence of the conspiracy.
2013-04-19 11:21:10 PM
1 votes:
Hope we're done with this shiat for a while. Tired of people being hateful and ugly. Still can't take ponies, though. Good night to all. have a beer on me.
2013-04-19 11:20:47 PM
1 votes:

Lionel Mandrake: Mad_Radhu: /Seriously, though, I'm cool with the thought of him spending the next 80 years full of regret and sadness. unable to even kill himself to end his sad life. All he has to look forward to is his body slowly decaying away until he dies alone and unloved, haunted by the thoughts of the life he could have had.

That's always struck me as odd...pro-death penalty opponents (many) seem to think that life in jail is somehow less of a punishment than execution...

Which would you prefer, people?  And if it's death you prefer, you'll still be able to achieve that goal with a life sentence.


I find it amusing when they get mad because a person took the cowards way out and killed themselves before being arrested, and somehow also denied them the satisfaction of seeing them killed.
2013-04-19 11:20:46 PM
1 votes:
for all the threadshiatting underwearonhead retarded dumbfark who clearly are planning on doing something illegal because they are crapping themselves over the Miranda Warning not being read but have no farking clue what they are talking about.......

i36.photobucket.com

Shouldn't even need to be read aymore
2013-04-19 11:20:37 PM
1 votes:
www.trbimg.com
This made me smile when I saw it
2013-04-19 11:19:56 PM
1 votes:

zabadu: A reporter on CNN keeps pronouncing ambulance as AM Boo Lance.


AMBER LAMPS!!!  Call tha AMBER LAMPS!!!
2013-04-19 11:18:38 PM
1 votes:

al's hat: BullBearMS: al's hat: So are you suggesting a stoning in front of the Old State House?

I'm suggesting we follow our own laws. We've shown a disturbing unwillingness to do that under Bush and now Obama.

We're on the same page I think.  Arrest, try, hopefully convict, and then sentence.  It's possible that there is some confusion in replies to parent comments going on.  I've seen a few odd things when trying to reply to comments this evening.


Yes. That is exactly the way you do.

Every other western democracy has managed to respond to terrorist attacks while staying within their system of law. We're the asshats that responded with torture and disappearing people into political prisons. It's embarrassing.
2013-04-19 11:18:35 PM
1 votes:

worlddan: theknuckler_33:
What is your criteria for this? You didn't exactly offer any justification in your post.

Well, first there is the question of how the hell did the suspect escape from the first shootout to begin with? They have the guy pinned down with live fire! That is bumbling. Period. Second, we also need to look at their tactical response. They have a wounded suspect, mostly likely on foot, who has been leaving a blood trail and their response is to shut the whole area down. That is panic. Pure and simple. It reflected no logic, no use of tactical intelligence, and was massive overkill for a guy who spent all day passed out in a boat. Their solution was simply brutish. Worse, as it turns out, the whole lock down backfired because if the citizen had felt free to roan his property sooner the suspect would have been found sooner. Again, massive bumbling.

All well that ends well. But the fact is that should give one a sense of relief, not jumping for joy with ponies.


Maybe you should join up with another Farker on this thread and start running police operations. From what I can tell, you seem to know exactly how to catch someone at night in a live-fire situation and track a wounded suspect through an urban environment, without interrupting anyone's daily routine. Why not go tell everyone else what they've been doing wrong all these years?
2013-04-19 11:17:32 PM
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Novart: Didn't something happen in Texas recently, a guy lost his fertilizer or something?
     
DamnYankees: Exactly - way more death and destruction there. But we dont care as much since there isn't an enemy to label and worry about.

 Via Infinito: Do you really not get the difference? People in Texas don't need to do a city-wide manhunt to stop marauding fertilizer plants from exploding.

The initial explosion was national news but it's really a local story at this point. There's about a 99% chance this was an industrial accident. It really only affects the people nearby and their loved ones. Now if it does turn out that it was a terrorist attack, it's national news again.

I'm in Texas and it's still a major story here and we care very much. People are giving blood and raising money and donating supplies.

The Marathon bombing is a national story. It's a premier sporting event that draws people from around the country and all over the world. This was a terrorist attack on U.S. soil, an attack on the entire U.S. and it affects everyone in the country.
2013-04-19 11:16:02 PM
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RenownedCurator: Short answer: oil. The whole situation is a longstanding clusterfark. But it's true that there's a big ethnic and cultural gap there; I'm pretty sure these guys (well, the one remaining guy) wouldn't be happy to be described as Russian either.


Pretty much this.  Something which most American don't understand from around the world is that ethnic differences are a very real thing.  Although they may be part of the same government; ethically, they consider themselves very different people.  Those people have been there for centuries and they consider themselves very different.  They don't have the same nationalistic perspective that Americans have.  Their loyalties are very different.

I see, finally, that some news sources are starting to cover this difference though.

For some general reference:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_theater_hostage_crisis 

/this guy is an American citizen and should by tried as such
2013-04-19 11:13:15 PM
1 votes:

megalynn44: As someone who has been out all evening and is unaware of any details other that "we got him", can someone please sum up what has happened?

How did they figure out he was in the boat?
Did he surrender or was he caught? I though I saw a snipet of video showing a flag waved from a boat but have no context of it.
Did he start shooting at them/ Why did they have to shoot him in order to arrest him?
Other than the fact that he is in serious condition do we know anything else?
Did he speak with police at any time before they apprehended him?


The homeowner saw blood on the ground near the boat & alerted the authorities. It's been suggested that he was wounded in the shootout that killed his brother last night. They had a negotiator from Quantico, but that person wasn't successful. My understanding is that they let the suspect pass out from blood loss and then took him into custody and brought in the ambulance & paramedics.
2013-04-19 11:11:32 PM
1 votes:
Surprised how this turned out. Glad they pulled him in more or less alive; There's always some unease when you don't get to hear from the person what their reason is.

It also fuels the conspiricy nuts way more when they kill the guy. We don't need them.
2013-04-19 11:10:40 PM
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mekki: Shyla: [pbs.twimg.com image 600x800]

Jesus. He's so damn tiny. He really is just a kid.

Fark, kid, where did you go wrong?


I know. He looks so scrawny it's so sad. Some sort of brainwashing at work here.
2013-04-19 11:10:31 PM
1 votes:
Well, good. Hopefully he recovers fully and can answer at least part of "WTF??? were you thinking????"

I suspect his brother was "born again" and hatched some plan (likely alone, but who knows) and sucked little brother into it, but hopefully however it turns out to have been, we find out.
2013-04-19 11:09:19 PM
1 votes:

Bonanza Jellybean: I hope dude's totes adorbs kitty is okay (from his twitter):

[pbs.twimg.com image 448x600][pbs.twimg.com image 448x600]


It that really his cat?  I want it.  It doesn't look like a terrorist.
2013-04-19 11:09:07 PM
1 votes:
VAW-116 Hawkeye Squadron's video of Outkast's Hey Ya

DJ Kittypie here with....a party tune from the recent past, going out this evening to the Boston Police Department, the citizens of the city of Boston, the great state of Massachusets, the runners of the Boston Marathon, the FBI, and lastly, in the final position of honour, to the students, staff and police force of the Massachusets Institute of Technology. Y'all know who I'm talkin' about.

Let the grieving find strength in knowing that joy will return in its proper time.

Let the joyous celebrate mightily.

Let the fools wonder WTF is going on....and....

Let the light of justice ennoble the land.
2013-04-19 11:04:07 PM
1 votes:
It's also worth pointing out that the way they ended up finding this guy was because they lifted the stupid lockdown, and when a guy then finally left his house he noticed blood on his boat.
2013-04-19 11:03:18 PM
1 votes:
He should have to donate his legs to two victims.
2013-04-19 11:02:24 PM
1 votes:

Maximer: So... on an aside... My wife is Russian and she is royally pissed that the media is saying the Chechens are Russians. Whether you agree or not, the Russian people want nothing to do with these people (the bombers) or the Chechens in general.


Except when Chechnya broke apart from Russia and Russia re-invaded them to take control of them. Sounds like *someone* in Russia wants a part of them.
2013-04-19 11:00:33 PM
1 votes:
Ah, and I see in this thread people are still pissing themselves over some miranda issue.  Wow.  It is absolutely surreal how much influence cheesy TV shows have over some people's perception of reality.
2013-04-19 11:00:16 PM
1 votes:

Fissile: Send him to me.

[inmate1972.files.wordpress.com image 365x400]


I still say Putin uses this as an excuse to mercilously bomb the ever-loving shiat out of Chechnya.
2013-04-19 11:00:14 PM
1 votes:

Fissile: al's hat: BullBearMS: that bosnian sniper: DamnYankees: To repeat...

...as I was just mentioning when the last thread got kiboshed, considering the media's batting average this week I'm hardly surprised they'd cite it as they did. And, if it's the AG's spouting that crap, I'm genuinely disappointed -- but hardly surprised -- in them they'd continue this Bush-era bullshiat.

The kid is a naturalized citizen. He has rights, deserves his day in court and so does Boston and the rest of the country. We're not frickin' Syria.

After the Madrid bombings in Spain, they caught the criminals gave them an open trial in a real court of law and found them guilty.

After the London bombings, they caught the criminals, gave them a public trial in a real court of law and found them guilty.

After the Mumbai bombings in India, they caught the criminals, gave them a public trial in a real court of law and found them guilty.

How about we not be a bunch of pussies this time, America?

So are you suggesting a stoning in front of the Old State House?

-----------------

I suggesting we turn him over to Putin's goons.  I'd pay to see the look on his face as he's dragged on to the Aeroflot plane.  Bye-bye, and don't forget to write.


Considering the number of American citizens' lives he has affected there are probably a whole bunch of folks who would like to see him face justice here in the good ol' US of A.  I'm glad they got him alive and I hope he spills his guts about who, what, where, why, and when before he gets convicted and sentenced.  If a federal jury sentences him to death and he sits on death row in solitary confinement with no privileges for 20+ years before his appeals are exhausted, so much the better.
2013-04-19 10:59:49 PM
1 votes:

Mad_Radhu: skullkrusher: BullBearMS: that bosnian sniper: DamnYankees: To repeat...

...as I was just mentioning when the last thread got kiboshed, considering the media's batting average this week I'm hardly surprised they'd cite it as they did. And, if it's the AG's spouting that crap, I'm genuinely disappointed -- but hardly surprised -- in them they'd continue this Bush-era bullshiat.

The kid is a naturalized citizen. He has rights, deserves his day in court and so does Boston and the rest of the country. We're not frickin' Syria.

After the Madrid bombings in Spain, they caught the criminals gave them an open trial in a real court of law and found them guilty.

After the London bombings, they caught the criminals, gave them a public trial in a real court of law and found them guilty.

After the Mumbai bombings in India, they caught the criminals, gave them a public trial in a real court of law and found them guilty.

How about we not be a bunch of pussies this time, America?

there's no indication we won't.

McVeigh - real court of law trial
Beltway sniper - real court of law trial
Underwear bomber - real court of law trial
Richard Reid - real court of law trial
This farkhead - HOLY CRAP IT'S GONNA BE DIFF... nah, it'll be a real court of law trial

Fark that court of law shiat! BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!

/Seriously, though, I'm cool with the thought of him spending the next 80 years full of regret and sadness. unable to even kill himself to end his sad life. All he has to look forward to is his body slowly decaying away until he dies alone and unloved, haunted by the thoughts of the life he could have had.


I work at a major prison. It's not a happy place, especially for high profile criminals.
2013-04-19 10:59:27 PM
1 votes:

Maximer: So... on an aside... My wife is Russian and she is royally pissed that the media is saying the Chechens are Russians. Whether you agree or not, the Russian people want nothing to do with these people (the bombers) or the Chechens in general.


If they want nothing to do with them, why do they keep around Chechnya as a territory instead of cutting them loose and fortifying the border? Like it or not, it's a part of Russia.
2013-04-19 10:58:50 PM
1 votes:

Maximer: Whether you agree or not, the Russian people want nothing to do with these people (the bombers) or the Chechens in general.


They sure wanted their land and resources a couple of decades ago, but then that whole Soviet Union thing collapsed...
2013-04-19 10:58:41 PM
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yukichigai: Stoj: Turns out no Miranda rights after all.

Thanks Obama!

Let's just nip this in the bud:

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/law-enforcement-bulle ti n/february2011/legal_digest

The feds can legally question him about things which are of an immediate concern to public safety, like say all those damn bombs he and his brother scattered around the place.  None of what they ask him can be used in court, and if they stray away from questions concerning public safety the feds can have the crap sued out of them.

They aren't Mirandizing him because it's more important to find the rest of the bombs than it is to build a case against him.  Once they clear the area he'll be read his rights.


That and Miranda rights only deal with confessions. I think the fact he shot at the cops, has bombs in his apartment and is on tape dropping the bomb is more then enough.
2013-04-19 10:58:18 PM
1 votes:

dbirchall: A couple astrophysicist friends (one of them a long-time friend) who work at Hahvahd live in Watertown, within 2 miles of the boat.  They actually got back into town from a conference right around the time of the bombings, and geez are we all glad to see them safe at the end of this.

Stone Meadow said in the last thread, "This is the new face of radical Islam...pretend to be well-integrated citizens while you plot to blow up shiat."  I dunno about anyone else, but I thought plotting to blow up shiat was an ingrained part of American culture since time immemorial, so that alone would tend to demonstrate you've integrated well.  (tl;dr: are you a radical Islamist, a redneck, or a patriot? hard to tell)


They may have "integrated well"--but not too wisely. Usually it's better, if you're a radical extremist, to make people aware of your cause FIRST, and THEN blow something up. It's generally counterproductive to blow something up first and only then discover that nobody in your target area has the first clue about "Chechnya? Where the f*ck is Chechnya? Is that part of China?"
2013-04-19 10:58:12 PM
1 votes:
Send him to me.

inmate1972.files.wordpress.com
2013-04-19 10:58:08 PM
1 votes:

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: These assholes were driving around throwing grenades and IEDs out the windows, wearing suicide vests, getting into shootouts with (and killing) cops, and many of you are pretending to think some major constitutional violation occurred today because the police said, "everybody should stay inside for 12 hours."  Amazing.

These chucklefarks ended up only killing four people, were identified within two or three days, and neutralized within four days, and yet many of you are pretending to think that any constitutional protections short of "killed on site" are just annoying red tape to be ignored.  Also amazing.


They suck.  Had the second been killed on site, I don't think anyone would have batted an eyelash.  However, the bottom line is that not one thing you mentioned is an exception to the constitutional rights we, as citizens, all enjoy.  If you don't how the United States Constitution is written, seek to have it amended or farking leave.
2013-04-19 10:57:48 PM
1 votes:

irishman4: liberals piss me off.


upload.wikimedia.org
2013-04-19 10:57:09 PM
1 votes:
These guys were not caught because of government surveillance, tortured accomplices or coerced citizens. A lot of ordinary Americans that had taken pictures of their friends and family at a national event answered a plea for help and posted their stuff on the internet. Remember, ordinary people did a good thing and made a great thing happen. Sometimes thats all it takes.Vote NO against CISPA! Keep the internet FREE!
2013-04-19 10:56:41 PM
1 votes:

skullkrusher: BullBearMS: that bosnian sniper: DamnYankees: To repeat...

...as I was just mentioning when the last thread got kiboshed, considering the media's batting average this week I'm hardly surprised they'd cite it as they did. And, if it's the AG's spouting that crap, I'm genuinely disappointed -- but hardly surprised -- in them they'd continue this Bush-era bullshiat.

The kid is a naturalized citizen. He has rights, deserves his day in court and so does Boston and the rest of the country. We're not frickin' Syria.

After the Madrid bombings in Spain, they caught the criminals gave them an open trial in a real court of law and found them guilty.

After the London bombings, they caught the criminals, gave them a public trial in a real court of law and found them guilty.

After the Mumbai bombings in India, they caught the criminals, gave them a public trial in a real court of law and found them guilty.

How about we not be a bunch of pussies this time, America?

there's no indication we won't.

McVeigh - real court of law trial
Beltway sniper - real court of law trial
Underwear bomber - real court of law trial
Richard Reid - real court of law trial
This farkhead - HOLY CRAP IT'S GONNA BE DIFF... nah, it'll be a real court of law trial


Fark that court of law shiat! BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!

/Seriously, though, I'm cool with the thought of him spending the next 80 years full of regret and sadness. unable to even kill himself to end his sad life. All he has to look forward to is his body slowly decaying away until he dies alone and unloved, haunted by the thoughts of the life he could have had.
2013-04-19 10:55:07 PM
1 votes:
theknuckler_33:

If their investigation hadn't identified their photos on Thursday afternoon, do you think what happened today would have happened?

An interesting question. Pictures were going to come out; that was inevitable due to the nature of the bombs and the fact the younger one made no attempt to disguise his face. So it is possible the publication caused the bombers to panic but if it did that would only go to show how undisciplined the bombers were and/or their lack of foresight in planning. Let us be clear: the bombers were amateurs.

The definition of a man is "to keep your head about you when everyone else is losing theirs." That did not happen today. The fact that the bumbling caught the incompetent is not a cause for celebration but simply a matter of relief.
2013-04-19 10:54:56 PM
1 votes:
A couple astrophysicist friends (one of them a long-time friend) who work at Hahvahd live in Watertown, within 2 miles of the boat.  They actually got back into town from a conference right around the time of the bombings, and geez are we all glad to see them safe at the end of this.

Stone Meadow said in the last thread, "This is the new face of radical Islam...pretend to be well-integrated citizens while you plot to blow up shiat."  I dunno about anyone else, but I thought plotting to blow up shiat was an ingrained part of American culture since time immemorial, so that alone would tend to demonstrate you've integrated well.  (tl;dr: are you a radical Islamist, a redneck, or a patriot? hard to tell)
2013-04-19 10:53:49 PM
1 votes:

Fissile: Jesus H. Kristmess!  Where did these cops learn how to shoot?   Do they connect only when they're shooting at the family toy poodle and 87 year old wheel chair bound grandmothers?


I don't think they were shooting to kill. The FBI wanted this guy alive.
2013-04-19 10:52:12 PM
1 votes:

Bonanza Jellybean: totes adorbs


Never say that ever again.
2013-04-19 10:51:47 PM
1 votes:

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Boston: the city of resilience, the city of champions.


The city of frightened, timid disarmed weenies, peering from the illusory "safety" of their windows as Big Brother's army of minions takes all day to subdue a wounded suspect, fondle their assault weapons, and force an innocent bystander to strip completely naked, face-down in the middle of the street.

> - The Boston Globe
2013-04-19 10:51:42 PM
1 votes:

r1niceboy: Novart: r1niceboy: I'm astonished by how little the media in this country know about the ethnic Chechen nationalists. By the time the information about the survivor's political and religious beliefs are known and available, people won't care and will be back to wondering what Kim Kardashian will name her crotch fruit. I'm glad they got him alive, and am curious to see how someone who came to the US when they were a child could become radicalized.

This would be a good opportunity to learn why some people feel they must become a terrorist. We won't learn it though if there's something shiny to look at elsewhere.

You know what's really sad about the Chechen rebels?

They were secular. All they wanted was freedom for their people.Russia denied them this, and in their midst the jihadis took over the cause.

There's a lesson to be learned there on both sides.

I remember the BBC  doing a story about the radical Chechen separatists. Most of the Chechens went to learn from the former Mujahadeen about how to fight the Russians. They were welcomed by the Islamic radicals and taught to use Islam as a carrot to lure and motivate fighters. They use jihad tactics, in the same way that during the 70's socialist and marxist terror groups used hijacking airliners. The terrorism university curriculum varies from group to group.


In Eastern Europe and Central Asia religion is essentially fused with ethnonationalism, whether Islam or Christianity. That's why the Bosnian war took on such horrific enhancement from the Serbian Orthodox Church's involvement in the genocidal and systematic rape campaign against the Bosnian Muslims.
2013-04-19 10:50:02 PM
1 votes:

irishman4: liberals piss me off.


Thankfully no one here gives a damn.
2013-04-19 10:49:38 PM
1 votes:
c.o0bg.com
I blame the hipsters.
2013-04-19 10:49:17 PM
1 votes:

Russ1642: Parthenogenetic: Russ1642: DamnYankees: To repeat,  Obama saying terrorists failed because Boston refused to be intimidated and we refused to be terrorized.

Give me a farking break. We cowered, just like we do at the mere thought of all terrorism. 2 kids set of a couple bombs and we competely shut down a major city, divert the national attention, deploy insane amounts of resources and top it all off by not Mirandizing the guy.

I'm honestly sickened right now and the 'celebrating' all this crap.

I wish I had more confidence, but we're knowingly letting innocent people starve to death in Gitmo and we not only don't help them, but a majority of AMericans probably are happy to see them die even though the US government has officially proclaimed them innocent.

Label someone a terrorist in this country and I have zero confidence in our rule of law.

So you're saying they caught the wrong guy? What is your point?

I think he's bemoaning the fact that playing the "terrorism" card trumps due process and justice.

THEY DON'T DESERVE CIVIL RIGHTS, THEY'RE TERRORISTS!!! *shiats pants*

It would be braver to continue to uphold the freedoms that we enjoy as Americans, while acknowledging and willingly incurring the risks that those freedoms pose.  And here is where I mangle a quote about giving up freedom for security, and getting neither.

Untangle your panties. He'll get a trial, and a defense lawyer. And an appeal.


I still say we should extradite him to China and let them try him for killing a Chinese national (and he can serve out his sentence) before coming back here to be tried for his crimes against US citizens. It'd be a show of good will on our part, and a demonstration by China that wherever their citizens are, the Chinese government will protect them as much as possible under the law.
2013-04-19 10:49:05 PM
1 votes:

Noam Chimpsky: Stoj: Turns out no Miranda rights after all.

Thanks Obama!

Where the fark does this "right to remain silent" bullshiat come from in the first place? I ain't finding it in the 5th Amendment or anywhere else in the Constitution.


You have the right to not offer information that may incriminate yourself.  If you have no law-talking guy present, you "plead the 5th" to keep from providing information that you are not required to provide.

Now, whether your rights can be violated without you having knowledge of your rights, and thus their violation, is the question.
2013-04-19 10:48:46 PM
1 votes:
static01.mediaite.com

Gotcha, ya bastards!!
2013-04-19 10:48:41 PM
1 votes:

DamnYankees: taxachucetts: Like I've said in other threads.. its more about a consensus of lets get these MotherFarkers... no cowering involved, but people recognizing that catching these guys are more important than making a meeting in the financial district, or going to a Sox game.

Dozens of people die every day from many horrible things, and threats will always exist. But in this country, we only give a shiat about it if we can label is "terrorism", and when we do, we lose our collective shiat.


I think its OK to celebrate that a lot more innocent people who could have died today did not. Yes, some people were inconvenienced  But they didn't know the extent of his explosive planning or networks or capability to execute. This wasn't a garden-variety rape or murder suspect. They weren't omniscient, and listening to the scanners last night and today--- I'd say they did about as good and professional job as anyone could have asked for. They took pains to evac anyone near of the trail and defuse any possible IEDs along the way. They busted their asses on this and they deserve a hearty round of praise. Now the next phase begins---we'll see how well the system holds up here.
2013-04-19 10:48:19 PM
1 votes:

Novart: "Tamerlan Tsarnaev, the 26-year-old killed in a wild shootout with police, was a legal U.S. resident who nevertheless could have been removed from the country after a 2009 domestic violence arrest and conviction, according to a Judicial Watch source."


Let me know when you find that "Judicial Watch source", okay?

media.salon.com
(it's probably this asshole)
2013-04-19 10:47:28 PM
1 votes:
I hope dude's totes adorbs kitty is okay (from his twitter):

pbs.twimg.compbs.twimg.com
2013-04-19 10:47:19 PM
1 votes:
25.media.tumblr.com
2013-04-19 10:46:39 PM
1 votes:

Novart: Therion: Here's this hour's freeper poutrage:

Obama Refused to deport Muslim Boston Bomber after 2009 criminal conviction violated immigration rules

"Tamerlan Tsarnaev, the 26-year-old killed in a wild shootout with police, was a legal U.S. resident who nevertheless could have been removed from the country after a 2009 domestic violence arrest and conviction, according to a Judicial Watch source."

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If true, is that not outrageous?


It's outrageous that Judicial Watch is still around, with out Bill Clinton to harass.
2013-04-19 10:46:02 PM
1 votes:
Think smoking is bad? 

If Dave Henneberry had not been forced by his wife to smoke outside, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev would still be in the boat .
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/watertown-man-finds-bomber- ho led-boat-article-1.1322387 

/ still not enough to make me [re-]start smoking
2013-04-19 10:45:12 PM
1 votes:

irishman4: liberals piss me off.


yeah... Damn liberals. Wanting that damn Constitution to be followed and all. Buncha pussies.

I WANNA SEE BLOOD!!! BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!!

STFU, EABOD & DIAF.
2013-04-19 10:45:04 PM
1 votes:

taxachucetts: DamnYankees: sheep snorter: lest we forget about other acts of domestic terrorism, before everyone got paranoid due to the pRopaganda party
April 19 1995

[i.imgur.com image 570x392]

And I don't recall us shutting down OKC for the day.

Different terrorists have different modus operandi... Mc Veigh had a govt target.. this guy was tossing bombs out his car window. And may have been setting ieds all over the city.


And as far as I can tell, McVeigh wasn't known to be in the area, engaging in gunbattles with police on an ongoing basis with an also-armed accomplice.
2013-04-19 10:44:29 PM
1 votes:
This entire country and thread needs some pony and brony celebration!

twilight.ponychan.net
2013-04-19 10:44:04 PM
1 votes:
When I went in to work this morning, I had to have a conversation about the overnight events with my boss. After he blathered on a while, I said about the bomber at large, "He was probably shot in the gunfight that killed his brother. He's holed up in a backyard somewhere, under a tarp or in a shed, slowly bleeding to death."

Sucks to be right all the time.
2013-04-19 10:43:46 PM
1 votes:

Wasteland: There's "nut running around with a gun" dangerous, and then there's "nut planting bombs around the place" dangerous.  This was the latter.


You know what this is fair, and if it turns out that this dude and his brother did booby-trap the entire farking city like Bane then yes, this was a justified thing.

But my inclination is that that's not actually what happened, because these guys aren't supervillains, and its in fact the inclination to treat terrorists like supervillains, and react to them as though they are going to destroy a whole city, which is what makes terrorism work. They make you fear them way out of proportion to their actual ability to hurt you.
2013-04-19 10:42:46 PM
1 votes:

mekki: Shyla: [pbs.twimg.com image 600x800]

Jesus. He's so damn tiny. He really is just a kid.

Fark, kid, where did you go wrong?


It's supposed to be brisket, not ball bearings, in the pressure cooker.
2013-04-19 10:40:44 PM
1 votes:

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: They tried to make us pay their taxes...

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...And they failed.

They tried to beat us at a sport they were dominant at & keep our losing streak going...

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...And they failed...

They tried to kill our spirit, and to make us afraid to live our lives...

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...And they failed.

Boston: the city of resilience, the city of champions.


is this satire?
2013-04-19 10:40:23 PM
1 votes:

catmandu: Can you imagine being the man who found the guy? He saw blood in the driveway near the boat, went and peaked under the tarp and saw a bloody man, and called police.


The guy on the CBSBoston news feed I was watching said that that was probably how he was going to be found. He said that he was probably wounded and bleeding under somebodies porch or in their bushes, and since everybody was advised to stay in their houses, nobody was out to notice it. He said as soon as the police clear some areas and people start coming out, somebody is going to notice some blood and find this guy curled up in some corner hiding. And that is basically what happened.
2013-04-19 10:40:00 PM
1 votes:
So glad we found these assholes, even if one is dead and we didnt' have togo through that chasing around bullshiat like we did with that ex cop gone pshyco in California earlier this year.

Now we really sadly have to bury the dead of those poor people and fireman in texas. What a shiatty week this has been for us all.....
2013-04-19 10:39:59 PM
1 votes:

DamnYankees: Chief_ Danz153A: But "starving to death" is not something that happens there unless some innocent/guilty prisoner hunger strikes.

There is currently a hunger strike at Gitmo. Were you not aware of that?


I commend them on their freedom of choice.  Hunger strikes come and go.  Honestly I could care less.  Why?  It is not your captor's fault that you don't pick up the damn spoon and eat.  What I do care about, and what is actually important about that whole shindig is:

1.  lengthy imprisonment without charge or trial.
2.  Me clearly taking that trollbait you hung out there, and chomping down on it so hard, I break my own teeth.

Meh.  Don't care.  The found (a very guilty-acting) "Suspect #2."  *AND* They got him alive.  That checks two of my "happy-as-hell" boxes.

It will hopefully sate my curiosity as to "Why?" as well as hopefully producing (surely too lengthy of a process of) justice.  Out legal system is terrible... which is worth than death as far as I am concerned.
2013-04-19 10:38:50 PM
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: So what would have been your preferred scenario? To have ignored what happened last night, let him flee


Yeah, that's what I believe. You nailed it. Great job.
2013-04-19 10:38:50 PM
1 votes:

CygnusDarius: Stop using this asshole, this whole incident, as a means to further your own farking agenda. It's only making it worse,


This!
2013-04-19 10:38:10 PM
1 votes:
i.imgur.com
Not Pictured:  Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat
2013-04-19 10:38:08 PM
1 votes:

Mrtraveler01: worlddan: High Fives for what? Near as I can tell it was a lot of wasted tax dollars. The police didn't even find him, some guy checking his yard did. Just think, if the police hadn't scared the hell out of everyone and so they stayed inside he would have been found hours ago. Well, more overtime for all the police; I can't wait to see the bill on that. I bet the police union will want a new contract now. For nothing. If these dimwits bombers had even half a brain they never would have been caught be these stooges.

EMBARRASSING

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Not embarrassing at all. Kept him and contained and from moving. Sometimes, good things cost money.
2013-04-19 10:37:46 PM
1 votes:
I think the overreaction to this incident might just spur on other loonies wanting attention.
2013-04-19 10:37:23 PM
1 votes:

Parthenogenetic: I think he's bemoaning the fact that playing the "terrorism" card trumps due process and justice.

THEY DON'T DESERVE CIVIL RIGHTS, THEY'RE TERRORISTS!!! *shiats pants*

It would be braver to continue to uphold the freedoms that we enjoy as Americans, while acknowledging and willingly incurring the risks that those freedoms pose.  And here is where I mangle a quote about giving up freedom for security, and getting neither.


Thank you, this is it. And its not just that it trumps due process and justice, it seems to trump our basic senses of proportion and rational thinking.
2013-04-19 10:36:55 PM
1 votes:

megalynn44: As someone who has been out all evening and is unaware of any details other that "we got him", can someone please sum up what has happened?

How did they figure out he was in the boat?
Did he surrender or was he caught? I though I saw a snipet of video showing a flag waved from a boat but have no context of it.
Did he start shooting at them/ Why did they have to shoot him in order to arrest him?
Other than the fact that he is in serious condition do we know anything else?
Did he speak with police at any time before they apprehended him?


Homeowner went outside after shelter-in-place lifted. Saw blood near his boat. Looked under tarp, saw dude covered in blood. Retreated, called 911.

I lean towards caught, but there's a wide range of options between "surrender" and "caught."

Not sure who fired the first shot. There was an exchange of gunfire.

Nope. Only that he's in serious condition.

Unknown. Negotiators were present, he was described as uncommunicative at press conference.
2013-04-19 10:36:21 PM
1 votes:

worlddan: High Fives for what? Near as I can tell it was a lot of wasted tax dollars. The police didn't even find him, some guy checking his yard did. Just think, if the police hadn't scared the hell out of everyone and so they stayed inside he would have been found hours ago. Well, more overtime for all the police; I can't wait to see the bill on that. I bet the police union will want a new contract now. For nothing. If these dimwits bombers had even half a brain they never would have been caught be these stooges.

EMBARRASSING


If their investigation hadn't identified their photos on Thursday afternoon, do you think what happened today would have happened?
2013-04-19 10:36:19 PM
1 votes:
The death penalty might not be an option. mass does not use it and if it was all done inside state lines then federal jurisdiction wouldn't apply

I'd did in the mcveigh case because he bombed a federal building
2013-04-19 10:36:07 PM
1 votes:

Russ1642: DamnYankees: To repeat,  Obama saying terrorists failed because Boston refused to be intimidated and we refused to be terrorized.

Give me a farking break. We cowered, just like we do at the mere thought of all terrorism. 2 kids set of a couple bombs and we competely shut down a major city, divert the national attention, deploy insane amounts of resources and top it all off by not Mirandizing the guy.

I'm honestly sickened right now and the 'celebrating' all this crap.

I wish I had more confidence, but we're knowingly letting innocent people starve to death in Gitmo and we not only don't help them, but a majority of AMericans probably are happy to see them die even though the US government has officially proclaimed them innocent.

Label someone a terrorist in this country and I have zero confidence in our rule of law.

So you're saying they caught the wrong guy? What is your point?


I think he's bemoaning the fact that playing the "terrorism" card trumps due process and justice.

THEY DON'T DESERVE CIVIL RIGHTS, THEY'RE TERRORISTS!!! *shiats pants*

It would be braver to continue to uphold the freedoms that we enjoy as Americans, while acknowledging and willingly incurring the risks that those freedoms pose.  And here is where I mangle a quote about giving up freedom for security, and getting neither.
2013-04-19 10:36:00 PM
1 votes:
Best songs about American greatness...

1) Born in the USA
2) Fortunate Son
3) America, fark Yeah
2013-04-19 10:35:49 PM
1 votes:

rka: You keep repeating that he wasn't Mirandized. And you know this how? They had a microphone on every cop in the area? Because Wolf Blitzer reported it?

Until the Chief of Police stands up in a public forum and repeatedly answers questions with "no we did not mirandize him" then frankly I wouldn't believe it. And even if they didn't maybe the suspect was in no condition to answer. There could be a whole host of rational, legal, by-the-book reasons, none of which any moron reporter or half-wit Farker could ever tell you.

This whole episode is one big lesson in "don't trust breaking news or the first thing out of a reporters mouth, or even the initial story from the cops".


Frankly, that's the one thing I do buy right now.  The feds and the Boston PD aren't going to fark this up on a technicality. A technicality like...oh, for example...Mirandizing someone when they're not legally capable of consent, like when they're unconscious or damn close to it from blood loss, which word is how they found the kid.

They'll keep him under protective custody in the hospital until he's stable and conscious, then inform him he's under arrest and Mirandize him.
2013-04-19 10:35:37 PM
1 votes:
How could anyone be so foolish to speculate that before their identities were known that an attack on April 15th might be by a tea partier? Lord knows there's been no biatching about how taxpayer dollars have been spent in this thread or anything...
2013-04-19 10:35:20 PM
1 votes:

DamnYankees: bobbette: Shutting down the city was  smart.  It kept people out of harm's way and out of the way of the cops trying to do their jobs.  It also eliminated the possibility of people trying to take out "terrorists" themselves.  "Stay the fark home, Boston" was a good call.

And this is different from any other dangerous criminal how? Should we shut cities down whenever there's someone armed and dangerous being looked for? Because that's like 90% of the time in some major city in this country.


encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
2013-04-19 10:34:45 PM
1 votes:
lest we forget about other acts of domestic terrorism, before everyone got paranoid due to the pRopaganda party
April 19 1995

i.imgur.com
2013-04-19 10:34:28 PM
1 votes:
A bleeding 19 year old can elude literally thousands of our "best and brightest", shutting down one of our major cities and for this we should be celebrating?

Methinks it has given fodder for copy cat psychos in the future.
2013-04-19 10:34:25 PM
1 votes:

Boojum2k: DamnYankees: bobbette: Shutting down the city was  smart.  It kept people out of harm's way and out of the way of the cops trying to do their jobs.  It also eliminated the possibility of people trying to take out "terrorists" themselves.  "Stay the fark home, Boston" was a good call.

And this is different from any other dangerous criminal how? Should we shut cities down whenever there's someone armed and dangerous being looked for? Because that's like 90% of the time in some major city in this country.

Bombs.


Yes, and? Free society is a biatch, and comes with risks. These guys didn't have nukes, they had (from my understanding) home made bombs that literally anyone can make. Part of the risk of living in a society which provides open access to bomb ingredients is that sometimes people will make bombs. We need to do our best to make sure they are never detonated in public, but its not a reason to lose your shiat.
2013-04-19 10:33:53 PM
1 votes:

Myria: I hope the U.S. Attorney in the press conference meant that Dzhokar won't be Mirandized right now.  In a crazy situation like this, Miranda warnings can wait for a short while until he's out of medical danger and inside a jail cell.


And I hope someone does that to you one day soon for saying that.  I promise, you'll deserve it.
2013-04-19 10:33:43 PM
1 votes:
Boston is cheering the capture of him? Could this mean progress? I remember post 9/11 and how everyone was afraid to do anything anywhere at anytime. Cheers, Boston.
2013-04-19 10:33:24 PM
1 votes:
This has been the longest time I have spent reading threads on Fark. I have seen highs and lows over the past 24 hours.
A lot of you made me laugh, most of you made me feel physically ill.  But before I sign out to go have a drink, I think we should reflect on the ending today.

This was just a kid.   Plain and simple.  Probably in way over his head.  He saw his brother die and was hunted as an animal for almost a day.  Imagine how afraid he was.
I pray that while on that boat, in that yard, he had the courage and foresight to rub one out. He won't have another chance to do so alone again for a long time.
2013-04-19 10:33:17 PM
1 votes:

DamnYankees: Novart: Didn't something happen in Texas recently, a guy lost his fertilizer or something?

Exactly - way more death and destruction there. But we dont care as much since there isn't an enemy to label and worry about.


Do you really not get the difference? People in Texas don't need to do a city-wide manhunt to stop marauding fertilizer plants from exploding.
2013-04-19 10:32:30 PM
1 votes:

DamnYankees: bobbette: Shutting down the city was  smart.  It kept people out of harm's way and out of the way of the cops trying to do their jobs.  It also eliminated the possibility of people trying to take out "terrorists" themselves.  "Stay the fark home, Boston" was a good call.

And this is different from any other dangerous criminal how? Should we shut cities down whenever there's someone armed and dangerous being looked for? Because that's like 90% of the time in some major city in this country.


Bombs.
2013-04-19 10:31:40 PM
1 votes:

bobbette: DamnYankees: Give me a farking break. We cowered, just like we do at the mere thought of all terrorism. 2 kids set of a couple bombs and we competely shut down a major city, divert the national attention, deploy insane amounts of resources and top it all off by not Mirandizing the guy.

Shutting down the city was  smart.  It kept people out of harm's way and out of the way of the cops trying to do their jobs.  It also eliminated the possibility of people trying to take out "terrorists" themselves.  "Stay the fark home, Boston" was a good call.

Within a day or two of the bombings they coordinated a massive manhunt and caught these guys, one of them alive.  They did good.

And they did Mirandize him, actually.


My bad, they will be Mirandizing him in the future, just not immediately.  Had my wires crossed there for a second.
2013-04-19 10:31:38 PM
1 votes:
They'll take very good care of him now & make sure he gets the best medical treatment they can give him,they want him alive & in good shape so he can be interrogated.

Hopefully over a bed of glowing coals.
2013-04-19 10:31:34 PM
1 votes:
photo of suspect being loaded on ambulance - looks worse for wear, that's what i'm hearing too
http://hosted.ap.org/photos/1/1bc9365e-3991-45db-820b-9ce34fb07443-b ig .jpg
2013-04-19 10:30:59 PM
1 votes:

msupf: Revek: Crap they took him  alive.

yep, that'll certainly screw with the conspiracy theories that were brewing all day.


No it won't.
2013-04-19 10:30:54 PM
1 votes:
He did not martry himself.. so does that mean he is not the US definition of terrorist
2013-04-19 10:30:47 PM
1 votes:

Darth_Lukecash: DamnYankees: To repeat,  Obama saying terrorists failed because Boston refused to be intimidated and we refused to be terrorized.

Give me a farking break. We cowered, just like we do at the mere thought of all terrorism. 2 kids set of a couple bombs and we competely shut down a major city, divert the national attention, deploy insane amounts of resources and top it all off by not Mirandizing the guy.

I'm honestly sickened right now and the 'celebrating' all this crap.

I wish I had more confidence, but we're knowingly letting innocent people starve to death in Gitmo and we not only don't help them, but a majority of AMericans probably are happy to see them die even though the US government has officially proclaimed them innocent.

Label someone a terrorist in this country and I have zero confidence in our rule of law.

You have issues.


Seriously.  Seek professional help.
wee [TotalFark]
2013-04-19 10:29:19 PM
1 votes:

roflmaonow: Are there any pics of the guy? Is he really critical? That would suck.


Yeah, here: i.imgur.com

Some kid on reddit has a Boston PD family member.
paj
2013-04-19 10:29:01 PM
1 votes:

roflmaonow: Are there any pics of the guy? Is he really critical? That would suck.


i.imgur.com
from reddit:  http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/1cpqxa/got_him/
2013-04-19 10:28:52 PM
1 votes:

DamnYankees: To repeat,  Obama saying terrorists failed because Boston refused to be intimidated and we refused to be terrorized.

Give me a farking break. We cowered, just like we do at the mere thought of all terrorism. 2 kids set of a couple bombs and we competely shut down a major city, divert the national attention, deploy insane amounts of resources and top it all off by not Mirandizing the guy.

I'm honestly sickened right now and the 'celebrating' all this crap.

I wish I had more confidence, but we're knowingly letting innocent people starve to death in Gitmo and we not only don't help them, but a majority of AMericans probably are happy to see them die even though the US government has officially proclaimed them innocent.

Label someone a terrorist in this country and I have zero confidence in our rule of law.


self parody as an art form
2013-04-19 10:28:51 PM
1 votes:
pbs.twimg.com
2013-04-19 10:28:48 PM
1 votes:
So did BPD keep a running list of illegal shiat they saw during the house searches?  It is 420 FFS.
2013-04-19 10:28:38 PM
1 votes:

DamnYankees: To repeat,  Obama saying terrorists failed because Boston refused to be intimidated and we refused to be terrorized.

Give me a farking break. We cowered, just like we do at the mere thought of all terrorism. 2 kids set of a couple bombs and we competely shut down a major city, divert the national attention, deploy insane amounts of resources and top it all off by not Mirandizing the guy.

I'm honestly sickened right now and the 'celebrating' all this crap.

I wish I had more confidence, but we're knowingly letting innocent people starve to death in Gitmo and we not only don't help them, but a majority of AMericans probably are happy to see them die even though the US government has officially proclaimed them innocent.

Label someone a terrorist in this country and I have zero confidence in our rule of law.



That was not a Mandatory shelter in place, it was recommended and the people of Boston did it because it was what needed to be done to capture the kid that did this.  The people of Boston have every right to be dancing in the street right now
2013-04-19 10:28:30 PM
1 votes:

DamnYankees: by not Mirandizing the guy.


Someone on MSNBC mentioned something about a limited exception for immediate danger, where the cops can ask about things like explosives in the vicinity without having to Mirandize him first. Not sure what the exact legal details are but from what they said it seemed reasonable enough.
2013-04-19 10:28:02 PM
1 votes:

DamnYankees: To repeat,  Obama saying terrorists failed because Boston refused to be intimidated and we refused to be terrorized.

Give me a farking break. We cowered, just like we do at the mere thought of all terrorism. 2 kids set of a couple bombs and we competely shut down a major city, divert the national attention, deploy insane amounts of resources and top it all off by not Mirandizing the guy.

I'm honestly sickened right now and the 'celebrating' all this crap.

I wish I had more confidence, but we're knowingly letting innocent people starve to death in Gitmo and we not only don't help them, but a majority of AMericans probably are happy to see them die even though the US government has officially proclaimed them innocent.

Label someone a terrorist in this country and I have zero confidence in our rule of law.


You have issues.
2013-04-19 10:27:59 PM
1 votes:

taxachucetts: Like I've said in other threads.. its more about a consensus of lets get these MotherFarkers... no cowering involved, but people recognizing that catching these guys are more important than making a meeting in the financial district, or going to a Sox game.


Dozens of people die every day from many horrible things, and threats will always exist. But in this country, we only give a shiat about it if we can label is "terrorism", and when we do, we lose our collective shiat.
2013-04-19 10:27:40 PM
1 votes:

Coco LaFemme: Revek: Crap they took him  alive.

Death is the pussy's way out. I want this asshole sitting in solitary for the rest of his miserable, pathetic existence.


glad they took the farker alive. Dead men don't talk. They might've acted alone but they also might have some shiathead buddies from chat rooms and shiat who are planning the same sort of thing
2013-04-19 10:27:27 PM
1 votes:
Glad he's not dead but sick of the coverage every damn minute, mainly because news channels are jizzing all over themselves. F*ck those guys
2013-04-19 10:27:03 PM
1 votes:
So this will free up Obama's schedule so he can visit West, Texas, right? I certainly hope so, and I'm not being snarky about it.
2013-04-19 10:26:16 PM
1 votes:

worlddan: High Fives for what? Near as I can tell it was a lot of wasted tax dollars. The police didn't even find him, some guy checking his yard did. Just think, if the police hadn't scared the hell out of everyone and so they stayed inside he would have been found hours ago. Well, more overtime for all the police; I can't wait to see the bill on that. I bet the police union will want a new contract now. For nothing. If these dimwits bombers had even half a brain they never would have been caught be these stooges.

EMBARRASSING


25.media.tumblr.com
2013-04-19 10:26:08 PM
1 votes:
It's sort of odd that everyone is happy that White Hat was captured, since this marks the beginning of a very long period of renewed hatred, divisiveness, and neolithic rhetoric in America. Mission Accomplished™.
2013-04-19 10:25:51 PM
1 votes:
encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
2013-04-19 10:25:50 PM
1 votes:
Victory thread!
2013-04-19 10:25:32 PM
1 votes:

DamnYankees: To repeat,  Obama saying terrorists failed because Boston refused to be intimidated and we refused to be terrorized.

Give me a farking break. We cowered, just like we do at the mere thought of all terrorism. 2 kids set of a couple bombs and we competely shut down a major city, divert the national attention, deploy insane amounts of resources and top it all off by not Mirandizing the guy.

I'm honestly sickened right now and the 'celebrating' all this crap.


Yeah! Boston won! And lost over $330 million in the process by shiatting themselves and shutting down the whole city, but hey!
2013-04-19 10:25:25 PM
1 votes:

ha-ha-guy: Revek: Crap they took him  alive.

Supposedly he's in serious condition.  It looks like he was wounded in the first shoot out, the fuzz mentioned finding a blood trail, and was limping around all day with minimal medical attention.  He also may have been wounded in the boat standoff.  I have to wonder if he surrendered to the cops or HRT just waited for loss of blood to kick in and bagged him.


Believe that's what happened. Commissioner or the Chief said at the press conference HRT attempted to negotiate, but suspect was unresponsive.
2013-04-19 10:25:17 PM
1 votes:

Glenford: Revek: Crap they took him  alive.

I want this prick to live the rest of his life behind bars. Death is the easy way out.


waste of breath and tax payer money.
2013-04-19 10:24:51 PM
1 votes:

Stoj: Turns out no Miranda rights after all.

Thanks Obama!


Mirandized after 48 hrs.

Thanks, Constitution!
2013-04-19 10:24:45 PM
1 votes:
I'm happy this is over but what is with the 'USA, USA, USA!' sports teams chants?
2013-04-19 10:24:44 PM
1 votes:

DamnYankees: To repeat,  Obama saying terrorists failed because Boston refused to be intimidated and we refused to be terrorized.

Give me a farking break. We cowered, just like we do at the mere thought of all terrorism. 2 kids set of a couple bombs and we competely shut down a major city, divert the national attention, deploy insane amounts of resources and top it all off by not Mirandizing the guy.

I'm honestly sickened right now and the 'celebrating' all this crap.

I wish I had more confidence, but we're knowingly letting innocent people starve to death in Gitmo and we not only don't help them, but a majority of AMericans probably are happy to see them die even though the US government has officially proclaimed them innocent.

Label someone a terrorist in this country and I have zero confidence in our rule of law.


So you're saying they caught the wrong guy? What is your point?
2013-04-19 10:24:24 PM
1 votes:

Glenford: I want this prick to live the rest of his life behind bars. Death is the easy way out.


Yup
2013-04-19 10:23:48 PM
1 votes:
www.overthinkingit.com
2013-04-19 10:23:23 PM
1 votes:

Revek: Crap they took him  alive.


Supposedly he's in serious condition.  It looks like he was wounded in the first shoot out, the fuzz mentioned finding a blood trail, and was limping around all day with minimal medical attention.  He also may have been wounded in the boat standoff.  I have to wonder if he surrendered to the cops or HRT just waited for loss of blood to kick in and bagged him.
2013-04-19 10:23:02 PM
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Here's to no more noise and other disturbances.

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2013-04-19 10:21:44 PM
1 votes:
Crap they took him  alive.
paj
2013-04-19 10:21:22 PM
1 votes:
No conviction/sentence yet, no celebration yet.
 
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