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2013-04-20 08:51:44 AM
FlashHarry; : You're absolutely right, he is an American citizen (lived in the US since 2002) and should have rights, but he's being charged with terrorism, so his rights go out the window... Ask Jose Padilla I guess. Or Bradley Manning .

And he's not Chechen, he was born in Krygistan and never actually went to the Chechen Republic in his life. And it's a "Special Interrogation Unit", not necessarily an "Enhanced" one.
 
2013-04-20 08:52:39 AM

Noam Chimpsky: Where the fark does this "right to remain silent" bullshiat come from in the first place? I ain't finding it in the 5th Amendment or anywhere else in the Constitution.


http://www.theonion.com/articles/area-man-passionate-defender-of-wha t- he-imagines-c,2849/

It's the right against compelled self-incrimination, right there in the 5th Amendment ("witness against himself") you claim to have checked.

Read up on Miranda here:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miranda_warning
 
2013-04-20 09:02:15 AM

robohobo: [youbentmywookie.com image 743x1028]


FARK:  Come for the flamewars, stay for the hot babe photos.
 
2013-04-20 09:07:35 AM

jakomo002: No Miranda. Just saw on CBC that they are not allowing him the right to remain silent, and are bringing in a "Special Interrogations Unit".


Your president really knows how to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, doesn't he?
 
2013-04-20 09:07:51 AM

tirob: BullBearMS: expanded.

Heron: Miranda .

To you and each of you and all of the other legal experts here:  We don't know yet whether the cops have asked Tsarnaev, the suspect, even one single question yet, or tried to.  His Miranda rights would apply only at such time as he is subjected to an interrogation.


You may not keep up with what's going on, but others of us do.

Obama tried to talk Congress into making an exception to Miranda rights, because terrorism. They refused.

Then, after he decided he could implement the changes without Congress, an FBI memo on his plan leaked to the press.

Now, since the Justice Department has publicly announced they will be following that policy, it's kind of hard to deny it's happening.
 
2013-04-20 09:15:44 AM
I just came here to laugh at all you idiots for thinking you were so smart when posting pictures of everyone at the marathon wearing a backpack except the guys that actually did it. So, LMAO! dumb-asses
 
2013-04-20 09:22:50 AM
How did I know Farkers would be spun up over this Miranda stupidity?
 
2013-04-20 09:37:44 AM

fragMasterFlash: I wonder how much of the blood donated by Boston marathon runners will be needed to insure the survival of Suspect #2?


Would happily donate to keep him alive.  I want intel, a trial, and a very long punishment.
 
2013-04-20 09:38:24 AM
ya'll can call this piece of shiat a "citizen" all you want in defense of his alleged miranda rights, however, the process to become a "citizen" is broken also. time to stop giving rights to these pieces of crap and allowing this to happen. the 9/11 terrorists were in this country for a long time, not really citizens, but they probably could have got citizenship if they wanted. farking joke.
 
2013-04-20 09:40:23 AM

Kittypie070: ontariolightning: Question: Would residents of a Republican city accept what was "minimal" martial law, like how they locked down Boston, if the same situation occurred?

No, some of the wilder-eyed drooly ones maybe would start shooting the po-po.




You've got to put the situation in context.
There was a dangerous snake in someone's house and anyone would have been jumping on the tables and demanding it be removed. If the residents are openly consenting then they'll overlook a temporary violation in the spirit of the moment.
Hell, they'd probably taken up arms and joined the search if the sheriff asked them to. That is how it would have to have been done in the messy days before homeland security and massive police departments.

The problem is making sure the cops don't abuse those powers or forget to relinquish them the moment the situation is resolved.
Again, this is in the context of hunting for a mad bomber who's been tearing up the town. Would the government get away with these methods in a search for common crooks?
Probably not.
 
2013-04-20 09:42:23 AM

abhorrent1: I just came here to laugh at all you idiots for thinking you were so smart when posting pictures of everyone at the marathon wearing a backpack except the guys that actually did it. So, LMAO! dumb-asses


I find it amusing that whenever something big like this happens the media's post-mortem includes the critical role that social media played, when 90% of the information on social media was just plain wrong.

If I had a dime for every time I saw "shiat is about to get real" posted from the scanner club yesterday when in fact nothing actually happened, I could afford Total Fark for a few years.
 
2013-04-20 09:43:14 AM

irishman4: ya'll can call this piece of shiat a "citizen" all you want in defense of his alleged miranda rights, however, the process to become a "citizen" is broken also. time to stop giving rights to these pieces of crap and allowing this to happen. the 9/11 terrorists were in this country for a long time, not really citizens, but they probably could have got citizenship if they wanted. farking joke.


There is a very simple solution to satisfy your complaint.

Add a question to the citizenship form:
"Will you commit a terrorist act harming the United States or its citizens? Yes/No"

Problem solved.
 
2013-04-20 09:43:33 AM

Beerguy: Holy fark, this thread is still going?


And going in a really weird place.
 
2013-04-20 09:44:55 AM
taxachucetts:
Like I've said in other threads.. its more about a consensus of lets get these MotherFarkers... no cowering involved, but people recognizing that catching these guys are more important than making a meeting in the financial district, or going to a Sox game.

But it wasn't "about a consensus of let's get these MotherFarkers."  It was more like "let's sit in our houses and piss ourselves because we were told to and there may be a boogey man outside."

People who do stuff like this want to instill fear. Which they did.  Mission accomplished.  They don't care if they get caught.

 And It isn't that making a meeting in the financial district or going to a Sox game is more important, it's more about fark you terrorist dudes, we're going to our meeting or game because you don't scare us.
 
2013-04-20 09:45:30 AM

draa: Gyrfalcon: OK? So whether or not exigent circs were or were not met is the people in that 20-block radius whose homes were searched; nobody here on Fark has a horse anywhere within a nuclear mile of the race.

Exactly, and if you'll look at one of my eariler posts I pointed that out to him. He was saying that EC didn't apply. I said it did whether it was used or not. As you said, if the people in that area didn't care then it didn't matter. But trying to get him to understand that, or that if the cops had needed it they could have used it, is like pulling a an angry mules eye teeth trying find a dog who speaks Norwegian. In other words, damn near impossible.


www.thebloxidgetallygraph.com
 
2013-04-20 09:46:01 AM
HEY LAPD!!!!! Did you take notes throughout this process?

/didn't think so

Good job BPD, FBI, Watertown PD, National Guard and whoever else was involved.
 
2013-04-20 09:47:15 AM

Revek: Crap they took him  alive.


This will drag on and on and on.

Still, good job.
 
2013-04-20 09:49:35 AM
Hey buddy, over here. Can you put these bags by the finish line for $100.00. My buddy needs these after the race, Thanks.
 
2013-04-20 09:52:26 AM

BullBearMS: tirob: BullBearMS: expanded.

Heron: Miranda .

To you and each of you and all of the other legal experts here:  We don't know yet whether the cops have asked Tsarnaev, the suspect, even one single question yet, or tried to.  His Miranda rights would apply only at such time as he is subjected to an interrogation.

You may not keep up with what's going on, but others of us do.

Obama tried to talk Congress into making an exception to Miranda rights, because terrorism. They refused.

Then, after he decided he could implement the changes without Congress, an FBI memo on his plan leaked to the press.

Now, since the Justice Department has publicly announced they will be following that policy, it's kind of hard to deny it's happening.


I *have* read up on these things.  It appears to me, however, that you have missed my point.  Whether the exception you speak of does or does not apply to the suspect may well be ***irrelevant*** just now, because Miranda rights apply only to custodial ***interrogations.***  We do not know that Tsarnaev has been interrogated just yet, even to the extent of having been asked one question.  There seems to be some evidence that he has not been, as according to reports he was seriously injured when the cops found him and was transported to a hospital immediately.  It would take a pretty lamebrained cop--yes, I know that some such do exist--to question a seriously injured suspect about any crimes he may have committed either at the scene of an arrest or while the suspect was being transported from there to a hospital.
 
2013-04-20 09:52:43 AM

Infernalist: Oakenshield: It's sort of odd that everyone is happy that White Hat was captured, since this marks the beginning of a very long period of renewed hatred, divisiveness, and neolithic rhetoric in America. Mission Accomplished™.

Really?  Think we're gonna go invade Chechnya?


If Ed Markey wants Kerry's seat, he'd introduce a declaration of war on Monday.

Kid will be alive, thanks to no death penalty.

Still, less than a week is quicker than bin Laden or Saddam.
 
2013-04-20 09:55:30 AM

fragMasterFlash: I wonder how much of the blood donated by Boston marathon runners will be needed to insure the survival of Suspect #2?


Annnnnnnd We're in Col Flagg territory.

/holds up paddles, releasing discharges in the air
 
2013-04-20 10:05:09 AM

tirob: BullBearMS: tirob: BullBearMS: expanded.

Heron: Miranda .

To you and each of you and all of the other legal experts here:  We don't know yet whether the cops have asked Tsarnaev, the suspect, even one single question yet, or tried to.  His Miranda rights would apply only at such time as he is subjected to an interrogation.

You may not keep up with what's going on, but others of us do.

Obama tried to talk Congress into making an exception to Miranda rights, because terrorism. They refused.

Then, after he decided he could implement the changes without Congress, an FBI memo on his plan leaked to the press.

Now, since the Justice Department has publicly announced they will be following that policy, it's kind of hard to deny it's happening.

I *have* read up on these things.  It appears to me, however, that you have missed my point.  Whether the exception you speak of does or does not apply to the suspect may well be ***irrelevant*** just now, because Miranda rights apply only to custodial ***interrogations.***  We do not know that Tsarnaev has been interrogated just yet, even to the extent of having been asked one question.  There seems to be some evidence that he has not been, as according to reports he was seriously injured when the cops found him and was transported to a hospital immediately.  It would take a pretty lamebrained cop--yes, I know that some such do exist--to question a seriously injured suspect about any crimes he may have committed either at the scene of an arrest or while the suspect was being transported from there to a hospital.


Actually if he was being hospitalized then even if they questioned him AND read him is rights it wouldn't matter because he would probably be deemed unable to consent to waiving those rights. So it really doesn't matter if he's been Mirandized yet. When he's deemed medically capable then they have to read him hsi rights before questioning him.

So, basically, everyone getting all upset over this needs to chill out. From thsoe pics of him going into the ambulance it might be a while until he's capable of answering questions at all.

In a week, if he's been interrogated without having heard his rights, then we can all get concerned.
 
jgi
2013-04-20 10:07:51 AM

irishman4: ya'll can call this piece of shiat a "citizen" all you want in defense of his alleged miranda rights, however, the process to become a "citizen" is broken also. time to stop giving rights to these pieces of crap and allowing this to happen. the 9/11 terrorists were in this country for a long time, not really citizens, but they probably could have got citizenship if they wanted. farking joke.


I agree with this guy. Let's get rid of the piece of shiat Irish while we're at it. Those violent drunks don't belong in this country. Never have!
 
2013-04-20 10:09:29 AM
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2013-04-20 10:09:47 AM

abhorrent1: I just came here to laugh at all you idiots for thinking you were so smart when posting pictures of everyone at the marathon wearing a backpack except the guys that actually did it. So, LMAO! dumb-asses


You also forgot the assholes who, after the FBI released pictures, tried to blame it on some missing college student from California.
 
2013-04-20 10:10:31 AM

irishman4: ya'll can call this piece of shiat a "citizen" all you want in defense of his alleged miranda rights, however, the process to become a "citizen" is broken also. time to stop giving rights to these pieces of crap and allowing this to happen. the 9/11 terrorists were in this country for a long time, not really citizens, but they probably could have got citizenship if they wanted. farking joke.


The rights in the Constitution do not only apply to citizens. They apply to everyone; whether he was a citizen or not isn't relevant to whether he has a right to a trial, is protected against self-incrimination and whatnot.
 
2013-04-20 10:11:42 AM
The thing I woke up thinking about Miranda is that it may be more important to the feds to figure out if the ties to this run any deeper than using any confession he may make against him (assuming some exception for emergencies/public safety doesn't apply.  They spent enough time in his house to know how much evidence they may have plus he may have already confessed to the carjack victim he let go previously.  They may not care about a confession, and, in all likelihood, probably don't need it to get a conviction.

Still think they should mirandize him, but their failing to do so probably won't deep six the case if any confession doesn't come in.
 
2013-04-20 10:15:08 AM

way south: Kittypie070: ontariolightning: Question: Would residents of a Republican city accept what was "minimal" martial law, like how they locked down Boston, if the same situation occurred?

No, some of the wilder-eyed drooly ones maybe would start shooting the po-po.

You've got to put the situation in context.
There was a dangerous snake in someone's house and anyone would have been jumping on the tables and demanding it be removed. If the residents are openly consenting then they'll overlook a temporary violation in the spirit of the moment.
Hell, they'd probably taken up arms and joined the search if the sheriff asked them to. That is how it would have to have been done in the messy days before homeland security and massive police departments.

The problem is making sure the cops don't abuse those powers or forget to relinquish them the moment the situation is resolved.
Again, this is in the context of hunting for a mad bomber who's been tearing up the town. Would the government get away with these methods in a search for common crooks?
Probably not.


I haven't seen any reports of refusals to allow houses to be searched by anyone. If someone lets them in, no violations happened under any circumstance. I also don't know if they busted down any doors of vacant properties to search them.

I saw that a couple of skinny Caucasians got profiled face-first to the ground a couple of times. I also saw that people were still driving around doing whatever to some extent and weren't arrested for violating any orders.
 
2013-04-20 10:16:48 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Meanwhile, across Europe last week....


i33.tinypic.com

Gee.  That guy doesn't look fat to me.  So why is he being told to to be somewhere else?
 
2013-04-20 10:18:27 AM

Vlad_the_Inaner: ThrobblefootSpectre: Meanwhile, across Europe last week....

[i33.tinypic.com image 630x432]

Gee.  That guy doesn't look fat to me.  So why is he being told to to be somewhere else?


That's a canister of Axe Body Spray. They're just helping him get sexed up at the clubs later in the day.
 
2013-04-20 10:19:32 AM

Zazzy: tirob:
Actually if he was being hospitalized then even if they questioned him AND read him is rights it wouldn't matter because he would probably be deemed unable to consent to waiving those rights. So it really doesn't matter if he's been Mirandized yet. When he's deemed medically capable then they have to read him hsi rights before questioning him.

So, basically, everyone getting all upset over this needs to chill out.  From thsoe pics of him going into the ambulance it might be a while until he's capable of answering questions at all

.


Well, you got my point, anyway, which is more than BullBearMS seems to have done.
 
2013-04-20 10:20:55 AM

Rabid Badger Beaver Weasel: Despite what this guy did, if the executive branch allows "enhanced interrogation techniques" against an American citizen, all hell will (or should) break loose


Please recite the parts of the constitution that define special rights for "citizens" as opposed to "all men"

Ill recite this one.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness...."

Patriotism is a weapon used against the people for the power of the leaders.
Beware of this.
 
2013-04-20 10:26:38 AM

jakomo002: $333 million dollars a day to shut down Boston, in addition to probably millions of dollars in O.T. for the cops.


Dude, they'll spend that because a lite brite toy was stuck to the bottom of a bridge.

This is obviously a more worthy cause.
 
2013-04-20 10:27:54 AM

Heron: From what MSNBC's scroll was saying, the President himself declared his rights wouldn't be read to him. So we 1)have a president who thinks a person's legal rights only apply if that person knows about them and 2)thinks he has the power to void those rights by fiat.


Is this what Freep is going with? Because, this is really weak.

For one thing, a person must be in compos mentis before they can be mirandized.  For another, even if a personisn't mirandized they can still be arrested and detained. Nothing they say prior to mirandization is admissable as legal evidence in a court of lawagainst the person.Not that there's any overlap between the two, since you can't exactly get a confession from a person who's bled out and is unconscious anyway.

Third, as has already been discussed ad nauseum, a suspect needn't be mirandized at the time of their arrest -- they need only be informed they are under arrest. They need be mirandized before interrogation for obvious reasons, but otherwise there is no requirement of it upon arrest. Law enforcement typically  do mirandize people as early as possible, so as to maximize statements that are inarguably admissable against the person (even if it's something dumb they say in the cop car during transport).

Fourth, even if point #3 were true, as has been discussed ad nauseum there is an exception to miranda rights for exigencies that endanger the public safety.
 
2013-04-20 10:28:59 AM

muck4doo: We are a United States. Ignore the asshats


images.sodahead.com
 
2013-04-20 10:31:53 AM
AP reports that he can't be questioned yet because he's in serious condition in a hospital. However, even when he's able, they will not be reading him his Miranda rights. Since they're using the public safety exemption it sounds like they're concerned that these guys may have left explosives lying around somewhere, which doesn't sound unreasonable at all since they clearly had explosives to throw at police earlier. In any event, it's not like they need a confession to convict him so no need for Miranda.

http://news.yahoo.com/final-shootout-then-boston-bombing-suspect-cau gh t-112744657.html
 
2013-04-20 10:34:07 AM

Zazzy: AP reports that he can't be questioned yet because he's in serious condition in a hospital. However, even when he's able, they will not be reading him his Miranda rights. Since they're using the public safety exemption it sounds like they're concerned that these guys may have left explosives lying around somewhere, which doesn't sound unreasonable at all since they clearly had explosives to throw at police earlier. In any event, it's not like they need a confession to convict him so no need for Miranda.

http://news.yahoo.com/final-shootout-then-boston-bombing-suspect-cau gh t-112744657.html


Pretty much.
 
2013-04-20 10:34:12 AM
Now that authorities have captured Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, the 19-year-old believed to be the second suspect in the bombings at the Boston Marathon on Monday, federal law enforcement officials are invoking the public safety exception regarding his Miranda rights, a senior Justice Department official told ABC News.

This isn't an if situation, no matter how many times people try to deny reality.

Obama's decision to do this "because terrorism" was made months and months ago, so this has exactly jack shiat to do with this guy's state of mind.
 
2013-04-20 10:36:37 AM

Zazzy: However, even when he's able, they will not be reading him his Miranda rights.


But, but, but... Excuses that deny reality!
 
2013-04-20 10:37:50 AM

cretinbob: Bondith: The hunt is over. The search is done. The terror is over. And justice has won. Burma Shave.

stealing that


Do it.  It needs more exposure.
 
2013-04-20 10:44:17 AM

Slartibartfaster: Please recite the parts of the constitution that define special rights for "citizens" as opposed to "all men"

Ill recite this one.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness...."


While I understand your point, you just quoted the "Declaration of Independence," not the constitution.
 
2013-04-20 10:46:14 AM

BullBearMS: Now that authorities have captured Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, the 19-year-old believed to be the second suspect in the bombings at the Boston Marathon on Monday, federal law enforcement officials are invoking the public safety exception regarding his Miranda rights, a senior Justice Department official told ABC News.

This isn't an if situation, no matter how many times people try to deny reality.

Obama's decision to do this "because terrorism" was made months and months ago, so this has exactly jack shiat to do with this guy's state of mind.


I'm finding it odd that they're using the public safety exemption at all. They don't even need to question this guy to get a conviction and Miranda only applies to using information obtained for a conviction. They can question you about all sorts of stuff without invoking a need for Miranda so long as the information won't be used to convict you of anything. Why bother with the public safety thing? Surely there's plenty of evidence to convict him of a whole slew of things already.
 
2013-04-20 10:49:00 AM

Tman144: abhorrent1: I just came here to laugh at all you idiots for thinking you were so smart when posting pictures of everyone at the marathon wearing a backpack except the guys that actually did it. So, LMAO! dumb-asses

You also forgot the assholes who, after the FBI released pictures, tried to blame it on some missing college student from California.


And before the FBI released the photos, that homeless-looking guy who held his bag politely as to not hit anyone with it while he was staring at the hot black girl.

On the flip-side, I would still like to know why the non-insane media isn't talking about Craft International's failure to protect Boston despite sweeping the blast area shortly before the bombing.

/they appear to be scanning for radioactive devices, which could explain the miss but that only the nutters are talking about their presence on-site is disappointing
 
2013-04-20 10:50:56 AM

Zazzy: BullBearMS: Now that authorities have captured Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, the 19-year-old believed to be the second suspect in the bombings at the Boston Marathon on Monday, federal law enforcement officials are invoking the public safety exception regarding his Miranda rights, a senior Justice Department official told ABC News.

This isn't an if situation, no matter how many times people try to deny reality.

Obama's decision to do this "because terrorism" was made months and months ago, so this has exactly jack shiat to do with this guy's state of mind.

I'm finding it odd that they're using the public safety exemption at all. They don't even need to question this guy to get a conviction and Miranda only applies to using information obtained for a conviction. They can question you about all sorts of stuff without invoking a need for Miranda so long as the information won't be used to convict you of anything. Why bother with the public safety thing? Surely there's plenty of evidence to convict him of a whole slew of things already.


The public safety argument is bullshiat, as the government lifted their "shelter-in-place" order before he was apprehended.  If there is still a threat to public safety, why lift that order?
 
2013-04-20 10:53:18 AM
Hopefully this incident will focus the spotlight on the root cause of all this senseless violence, contact sports.

Head injuries are no joking matter. Brain trauma can lead to organic changes in the brain, which,in turn, can lead to changes in personality. The use of steroids or synthetic testosterone or other muscle magnification techniques brings out aggression.

These sports are all about "punishing the weak" and "making them pay for letting down their guard". Heck boxing IS fighting. Wrestling is either just glorified fighting / bullying (wrastlin') or about physically controlling your opponent by mounting them and pinning them into submission. Football (and especially American Football) are rife with head injuries. So are most martial arts.

We should just stick to baseball, tennis, golf, running, etc. Violent head injuries cause so many problems... There is no way the entertainment value we get from such activities is worth the trade-off in lives scarred.
 
2013-04-20 10:54:11 AM

BullBearMS: Now that authorities have captured Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, the 19-year-old believed to be the second suspect in the bombings at the Boston Marathon on Monday, federal law enforcement officials are invoking the public safety exception regarding his Miranda rights, a senior Justice Department official told ABC News.

This isn't an if situation, no matter how many times people try to deny reality.

Obama's decision to do this "because terrorism" was made months and months ago, so this has exactly jack shiat to do with this guy's state of mind.


I'm going to guess that Tsarnaev's family is going to hire a lawyer for him between now and the time he's recovered enough to be questioned, and that this whole discussion will therefore be moot.
 
2013-04-20 10:54:55 AM
Zazzy:

It's especially derpy to do so right after law enforcement officials publicly declared the threat to be over.
 
2013-04-20 11:06:29 AM

Fark It: Zazzy: BullBearMS: Now that authorities have captured Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, the 19-year-old believed to be the second suspect in the bombings at the Boston Marathon on Monday, federal law enforcement officials are invoking the public safety exception regarding his Miranda rights, a senior Justice Department official told ABC News.

This isn't an if situation, no matter how many times people try to deny reality.

Obama's decision to do this "because terrorism" was made months and months ago, so this has exactly jack shiat to do with this guy's state of mind.

I'm finding it odd that they're using the public safety exemption at all. They don't even need to question this guy to get a conviction and Miranda only applies to using information obtained for a conviction. They can question you about all sorts of stuff without invoking a need for Miranda so long as the information won't be used to convict you of anything. Why bother with the public safety thing? Surely there's plenty of evidence to convict him of a whole slew of things already.

The public safety argument is bullshiat, as the government lifted their "shelter-in-place" order before he was apprehended.  If there is still a threat to public safety, why lift that order?


Whether or not the public safety argument is applicable is irrelevant, I was wondering why they would even bother using it in this case. Seems like it's not even useful here. He can't answer questions right now at all so needing to find bombs isn't a reason - by the time he's coherent the time it would have mattered will be passed. And they've already got enough to convict. They probably should have just said that since they already have enough evidence for a conviction they see no need to Mirandize him; he's not a risk for self incrimination. My guess is someone thought the public exemption thing might make more sense then trying to explain the Miranda rules to the average citizen, and had he woken up on the way to the hospital then it would have been useful, but that's just speculation.
 
2013-04-20 11:08:20 AM
By the way, does anyone know who it was that was actually raising this kid? He's 19 and his parents are back in Russia. He could be on his own now, but back when he was a minor who was actually responsible for him?

This person has some questions to answer.
 
2013-04-20 11:14:04 AM

Zazzy: By the way, does anyone know who it was that was actually raising this kid? He's 19 and his parents are back in Russia. He could be on his own now, but back when he was a minor who was actually responsible for him?

This person has some questions to answer.


His uncle said the parents went to Russia a year ago.
 
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