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2013-04-20 02:10:55 AM  

muck4doo: Most breaks come from private citizens in every case in every town you dumbass. Were you thinking they should be wizards?


No, I'm thinking the police should have their high-tech military toys taken away and be prohibited from playing soldier in innocent people's living rooms without a warrant, and punished accordingly when they do.
 
2013-04-20 02:11:23 AM  

BullBearMS: How is that an excuse for not doing something that takes all of a a few seconds?


The fundamental point to Miranda is that it's people have to be aware of their rights. If there is some extenuating circumstance that would prevent a normal person from comprehending the Miranda reading then it's pointless to Mirandize them at that point in time.  This guy has been shot, lost blood, has been hiding out all day (dehydrated), and is the subject of a massive manhunt. A normal person is not going to be capable of giving legal consent under those circumstances. From a prosecution point of view, it's much smarter to NOT Mirandize him until a time when he's stable and capable of making rational decisions.

Why? If they Mirandized him right there, while he was under that stress, then his lawyer could eventually argue that any statements he makes are a result of a flawed understanding of his rights due to the extraordinary circumstances. If they don't Mirandize him then they can't interrogate him immediately, but any statements he makes between arrest and interrogation are considered to be statements he makes of his own free will. Later, after he's been treated and gotten some sleep, they sit him down in a comfy chair in an  air conditioned interrogation room and then Mirandize him, and there can be no doubt as to whether he was capable of giving consent at that point in time.
 
2013-04-20 02:12:46 AM  

BullBearMS: andychrist420: BullBearMS: How is that an excuse for not doing something that takes all of a a few seconds?


Well, you can always Mirandize someone later, you may only have a few seconds to save their life.  Go away idiot, your troll is weak.

Because it wasn't possible to take a few seconds while the kid was being taken on the stretcher to the ambulance? It was impossible during the ride to the hospital?

Honestly, just stop.

This is an intentional new policy that was reported on months ago. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the facts on the ground.


The PSE has been around for nearly 30 years.  It's not a "new policy" by any means.
 
2013-04-20 02:13:13 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Fubini: tenpoundsofcheese: The guys at Nuremberg tried that defense too.

Good point

tenpoundsofcheese:It is sick that people buy it and are terrorist apologists.

WTF? Why ruin a perfectly good comment with crap? Do you shiat all over yourself too?

Where is anyone defending terrorism? Or are you the kind of person that can't empathize with people you don't agree with? Are you so emotionally stunted that everything in your entire world is only ever wholly good or wholly evil?

Look at some of the photos of this guy. Prom dates. College student stuff. Run of the mill Facebook and Twitter accounts. Do you really think that this guy is wholly evil? Do you think that every time he tweeted or posted a status update he immediately followed it with thoughts of bloody carnage? When he drove his prom date home, do you think he was contemplating how to bomb innocent kids?

I don't believe that this guy was born with a black heart. Something about the world warped him. It doesn't excuse him of his crimes, just like it didn't excuse the Nazis at Nuremberg. Take a step back and see this guy for who he is: a person, who for most of his life was a normal person just like you and me. Just because I recognize these things doesn't mean I'm condoning his actions.

Lame try in moving the goal posts.
You said you don't have any malice towards him.
That is NOT the same as saying that he is "wholly evil" and your stupid examples of him having terrible thoughts after his prom date.

He can be a wonderful date, have funny tweets, feed his dog on a regular schedule, but if he blows up people and goes on a killing rampage, I will hold a lot of malice towards him.  I won't be a terrorist apologist like you are trying to be by saying that he is a normal person just like you and me, except of course for the killing.


I know I'll rest a lot better knowing you're fully prepared to talk tough about terrorists on the internet. Good luck - we're all counting on you.
 
2013-04-20 02:13:32 AM  

Ivo Shandor: Fubini: Heh- I've thought about printing up Obama 2016 bumper stickers just for lulz.

Go all-in. "Michelle Obama 2016".


Or Bo.  He's well over 35 in dog years.  There's not anything in the Constitution that specifies the president has to be a human.  Technically he hasn't been a resident long enough, but according to the Constitution that only applies to persons.  Actually, Article II Section 1 has an extraneous comma in there that could conceivably be interpreted to mean that anyone born after the adoption of the Constitution can't be president.  It's a very poorly worded piece that any first year law student could rip to shreds, but we've chosen so far to respect as "Well, you know what they meant..."  As written, it excludes women, but would alow any male animal that can recite the oath of office.  Bo might have a problem with that aspect, but maybe they could adopt an parrot.
 
2013-04-20 02:15:02 AM  
Wow.  Just added it all up, and just with the 9 main threads, there are over 18,000 posts.  That does not include the smaller side-threads, and I can only guess what TF looks like.

Interesting 24 hours, and I assume that everyone is glad that the week is over.
 
2013-04-20 02:15:18 AM  

DamnYankees: taxachucetts: Like I've said in other threads.. its more about a consensus of lets get these MotherFarkers... no cowering involved, but people recognizing that catching these guys are more important than making a meeting in the financial district, or going to a Sox game.

Dozens of people die every day from many horrible things, and threats will always exist. But in this country, we only give a shiat about it if we can label is "terrorism", and when we do, we lose our collective shiat.


Always got to be holier-than-thou. Just shut the fark up and accept that reality exists, and it is way beyond your perfect worldview.
 
2013-04-20 02:15:28 AM  

Kittypie070: Aww. Is widdle clyph sad that his holy criminal killer heros got apprehended by the dirty pigs?


No, Clyph is pissed that the pigs stomped their dirty jackboots all over the Constitution in their fruitless show of force.  Putting a city under virtual martial law didn't accomplish jack shiat.  Putting the perp's pictures on TV and having people man the phones did.

Oh, and I'm not overly impressed with their marksmanship, either.
 
2013-04-20 02:15:37 AM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: muck4doo: Epiphany: muck4doo: You have no proof that any of that happened. You are speaking out of your ass. If you thought maybe a mass murderer was hiding somewhere in your property you would want the cops to search it instead of doing so yourself. I have seen no one in Boston say their rights were violated.

You're arguing with a person who thinks its illegal for the police to enter your house if you say "no", like he has never heard of a farking warrant before.

Understood.

I would simply like to see the warrants issued or the recorded acceptance of search that apparently every household in this entire town agreed to without any coercion.


clyph: muck4doo: Most breaks come from private citizens in every case in every town you dumbass. Were you thinking they should be wizards?

No, I'm thinking the police should have their high-tech military toys taken away and be prohibited from playing soldier in innocent people's living rooms without a warrant, and punished accordingly when they do.


BullBearMS: muck4doo: WTF? What does Bush or Obama have to do with the Boston PD? Stop being an angry young man throwing rocks at trees.

The Obama administration has issued new guidance on use of the Miranda warning in interrogations of terrorism suspects, potentially chipping away at the rule that bars the government from using information in court if it was gathered before a suspect was informed of his right to remain silent and to an attorney.

As I've said quite a few times, the word "terrorism" comes up and we rush to throw the rule of law out the window.


Has anyone besides these 3 biatches said their rights have been violated? Has anyone in Boston actually said that?
 
2013-04-20 02:16:22 AM  

torquestripe: You will see why in the coming months, concerning this terrorist. Just wait and see.


Oh bullshiat. Straight from the FBI.


The strength of the Miranda decision is its clarity in its nearly unwavering protection of a suspect's Fifth Amendment protection against selfincrimination. The commitment to this rule is so strong that the Supreme Court has recognized only one exception to the Miranda rule-the "public safety" exception-which permits law enforcement to engage in a limited and focused unwarned interrogation and allows the government to introduce the statement as direct evidence.

Recent and well-publicized events, including the attempted bombing of Northwest Airlines Flight 235 near Detroit, Michigan, on December 25, 2009, and the attempted bombing in New York City's Times Square in May 2010, highlight the importance of this exception.6 Those current events, occurring in a time of heightened vigilance against terrorist acts, place a spotlight on this law enforcement tool, which, although 26 years old, may play a vital role in protecting public safety while also permitting statements obtained under this exception to be used as evidence in a criminal prosecution. In brief, and as discussed in this article, police officers confronting situations that create a danger to themselves or others may ask questions designed to neutralize the threat without first providing a warning of rights.



Notice the bolded part. This law has been around since the early 80's and it's been used before without farking up any prosecution. It will be used this time without a problem as well. It's a common tool that gives the cops a little leeway in charging a suspect. And it's not like they just suddenly made up some bullshiat yesterday just for this kid or this event.

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/law-enforcement-bull eti n/february2011/legal_digest
 
2013-04-20 02:16:45 AM  

Tommy Moo: Observant Jains will literally not harm a fly.


i35.tinypic.com
Demands to differ
 
2013-04-20 02:17:06 AM  

BullBearMS: Because it wasn't possible to take a few seconds while the kid was being taken on the stretcher to the ambulance?


You can't read someone their rights like an auctioneer and expect it to hold up in court. The fundamental component of Miranda is that people have to understand their rights and then consent to giving up those rights in order for testimony to be admissible in court.

If you under so much duress that you couldn't sign a contract under those circumstances, you can't waive your rights either. The courts require that someone be in a sound and stable state of mind before they can be Mirandized.
 
2013-04-20 02:17:34 AM  

clyph: muck4doo: Most breaks come from private citizens in every case in every town you dumbass. Were you thinking they should be wizards?

No, I'm thinking the police should have their high-tech military toys taken away and be prohibited from playing soldier in innocent people's living rooms without a warrant, and punished accordingly when they do.


Suddenly, a wild criminal appears in your house at midnight, intent upon legitimate rape of your tenage daughter, or horror of horrors, the firebombing of your Dale Earnhardt doily collection!

Oh what ever will you do now?
 
2013-04-20 02:18:33 AM  

HideAndGoFarkYourself: BullBearMS: andychrist420: BullBearMS: How is that an excuse for not doing something that takes all of a a few seconds?


Well, you can always Mirandize someone later, you may only have a few seconds to save their life.  Go away idiot, your troll is weak.

Because it wasn't possible to take a few seconds while the kid was being taken on the stretcher to the ambulance? It was impossible during the ride to the hospital?

Honestly, just stop.

This is an intentional new policy that was reported on months ago. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the facts on the ground.

The PSE has been around for nearly 30 years.  It's not a "new policy" by any means.


The PSE had to do with asking a criminal the question "Where is the gun?" before reading them their rights.

The Obama administration has expanded that to include hours of interrogation.

The Supreme Court had previously recognized a "public safety exception" to Miranda under which police could interrogate suspects, typically for an extremely short period of time, about matters that could be an imminent threat. The classic example is: "Where's the gun?"

But now there appears to be a new standard under which investigators can waive Miranda in order "to collect valuable and timely intelligence," in the absence of an immediate threat.

Following the interrogation of the man who tried to blow up a plane in Detroit on Christmas Day 2009, legal experts suspected that the Obama administration had altered Miranda rules. The suspect in that case, Umar Abdulmutallab, was apparently interrogated for several hours before he was informed of his rights. At the time, some congressional Republicans demanded that Miranda be given up for terrorism cases altogether.


Surprise, surprise. Obama doing exactly the sort of bullshiat the Republicans want. Again.
 
2013-04-20 02:18:49 AM  

draa: torquestripe: You will see why in the coming months, concerning this terrorist. Just wait and see.

Oh bullshiat. Straight from the FBI.


The strength of the Miranda decision is its clarity in its nearly unwavering protection of a suspect's Fifth Amendment protection against selfincrimination. The commitment to this rule is so strong that the Supreme Court has recognized only one exception to the Miranda rule-the "public safety" exception-which permits law enforcement to engage in a limited and focused unwarned interrogation and allows the government to introduce the statement as direct evidence.

Recent and well-publicized events, including the attempted bombing of Northwest Airlines Flight 235 near Detroit, Michigan, on December 25, 2009, and the attempted bombing in New York City's Times Square in May 2010, highlight the importance of this exception.6 Those current events, occurring in a time of heightened vigilance against terrorist acts, place a spotlight on this law enforcement tool, which, although 26 years old, may play a vital role in protecting public safety while also permitting statements obtained under this exception to be used as evidence in a criminal prosecution. In brief, and as discussed in this article, police officers confronting situations that create a danger to themselves or others may ask questions designed to neutralize the threat without first providing a warning of rights.


Notice the bolded part. This law has been around since the early 80's and it's been used before without farking up any prosecution. It will be used this time without a problem as well. It's a common tool that gives the cops a little leeway in charging a suspect. And it's not like they just suddenly made up some bullshiat yesterday just for this kid or this event.

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/law-enforcement-bull eti n/february2011/legal_digest


Says you ...
i1222.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-20 02:18:49 AM  
If I remember correctly the NDAA authorizes the government to indefinitely detain a suspected terrorist found in the US. They can put this to use, lock him up & throw away the key without a trial. That is, until the law is found unconstitutional, and then he'll be given a trial and continue to live his life in prison.
 
2013-04-20 02:19:43 AM  

BullBearMS: This is an intentional new policy that was reported on months ago. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the facts on the ground.


Citation needed.

Since you've given up on your "gonna send him to Gitmo" argument, and you can't seem to understand the Miranda argument, how about you provide a little proof.  But you won't, because your argument has nothing to do to do with facts.
 
2013-04-20 02:20:43 AM  

muck4doo: Has anyone besides these 3 biatches


Demanding that government obey it's own laws makes one a biatch.   Gotcha.

Tell me, what do jackboots taste like?  You must be an expert considering how much effort you put into licking them.
 
2013-04-20 02:21:26 AM  

dugitman: PistolGripPump: Moss-covered three-handled prison shank gredunza.

lol  I'm going to sponsor you for epic timing failure


Not sure how that was timing fail, only off by 5, but thanks for the TF!
 
2013-04-20 02:21:32 AM  

Kittypie070: Suddenly, a wild criminal appears in your house at midnight, intent upon legitimate rape of your tenage daughter, or horror of horrors, the firebombing of your Dale Earnhardt doily collection!


Let Actis, Triopas, Macar and Candalus sort it out.
 
2013-04-20 02:21:49 AM  
Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist:
I would simply like to see the warrants issued or the recorded acceptance of search that apparently every household in this entire town agreed to without any coercion.

They don't need your consent or a warrant.  Exigent circumstances obviate the need for either and there has hardly ever been a clearer case than police searching for a wounded and deranged teenager who has a recent history of detonating explosives.
 
2013-04-20 02:22:38 AM  
clyph 2013-04-20 02:15:28 AM

No, Clyph is pissed that the pigs stomped their dirty jackboots all over the Constitution in their fruitless show of force

OH NO THE TYRANNICAL OPPRESSIVE POLICE ARE PROTECTING YOU FROM A GUY WHO SET BOMBS AND KILLED PEOPLE.

OH NO OH NO HOW AWFUL THAT YOU ARE BEING PROTECTED FROM CRIMINALS.
 
2013-04-20 02:22:53 AM  

Ranger677: Wow.  Just added it all up, and just with the 9 main threads, there are over 18,000 posts.  That does not include the smaller side-threads, and I can only guess what TF looks like.

Interesting 24 hours, and I assume that everyone is glad that the week is over.


Seriously. I'm a political junkie, and my "fix" gets lost in the background when the talking heads turn from matters of which they know, to endlessly stating "I don't want to speculate about...." and then speculate for 10 minutes, while the same three-second video clip plays over and over.

I am 100% ready to get back to endlessly picking apart SCOTUS brackets and handicapping bill markups in the senate.
 
2013-04-20 02:23:24 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Fubini: tenpoundsofcheese: The guys at Nuremberg tried that defense too.

Good point

tenpoundsofcheese:It is sick that people buy it and are terrorist apologists.

WTF? Why ruin a perfectly good comment with crap? Do you shiat all over yourself too?

Where is anyone defending terrorism? Or are you the kind of person that can't empathize with people you don't agree with? Are you so emotionally stunted that everything in your entire world is only ever wholly good or wholly evil?

Look at some of the photos of this guy. Prom dates. College student stuff. Run of the mill Facebook and Twitter accounts. Do you really think that this guy is wholly evil? Do you think that every time he tweeted or posted a status update he immediately followed it with thoughts of bloody carnage? When he drove his prom date home, do you think he was contemplating how to bomb innocent kids?

I don't believe that this guy was born with a black heart. Something about the world warped him. It doesn't excuse him of his crimes, just like it didn't excuse the Nazis at Nuremberg. Take a step back and see this guy for who he is: a person, who for most of his life was a normal person just like you and me. Just because I recognize these things doesn't mean I'm condoning his actions.

Lame try in moving the goal posts.
You said you don't have any malice towards him.
That is NOT the same as saying that he is "wholly evil" and your stupid examples of him having terrible thoughts after his prom date.

He can be a wonderful date, have funny tweets, feed his dog on a regular schedule, but if he blows up people and goes on a killing rampage, I will hold a lot of malice towards him.  I won't be a terrorist apologist like you are trying to be by saying that he is a normal person just like you and me, except of course for the killing.


Oh, so you read his terrorist manifesto?

Can you give us excerpts?

Because most of the circumstantial evidence available (and that's all there is) leans more towards 'Columbine' than ZOMG MOSSLIMS TEKKEN URE FREEDIMS.

Or are you such a dipshiat that you assume:

a) Anyone from a nation is automatically an extremist of said nation's alleged state 'religion'
b) All muslims are automatically terrorrrrrists
and
c) The factors behind *actual* terrorism are definitely not more varied and subtle than 'THEY BE MUSLIMS'
 
2013-04-20 02:23:45 AM  

Kittypie070: Oh what ever will you do now?


The Mozambique drill.

The police can come and collect the body after they finish their coffee and donuts.
 
2013-04-20 02:24:32 AM  

clyph: muck4doo: Has anyone besides these 3 biatches

Demanding that government obey it's own laws makes one a biatch.   Gotcha.

Tell me, what do jackboots taste like?  You must be an expert considering how much effort you put into licking them.


They taste like your mom. They are always being shoved there. That a good enough answer for you? I haven't seen anyone from Boston complain about the searches, and you have no proof these were done without warrants. You are an angry young man who is mad the bad guy was caught.
 
2013-04-20 02:27:00 AM  

muck4doo: clyph: muck4doo: Has anyone besides these 3 biatches

Demanding that government obey it's own laws makes one a biatch.   Gotcha.

Tell me, what do jackboots taste like?  You must be an expert considering how much effort you put into licking them.

They taste like your mom. They are always being shoved there. That a good enough answer for you? I haven't seen anyone from Boston complain about the searches, and you have no proof these were done without warrants. You are an angry young man who is mad the bad guy was caught.


*adds clyph to his terrorist watch list*
 
2013-04-20 02:27:54 AM  

Kittypie070: OH NO OH NO HOW AWFUL THAT YOU ARE BEING PROTECTED FROM CRIMINALS.


They can protect me by doing their jobs as usual.  Which they did.  

Driving tanks down the street and kicking in innocent people's front doors didn't protect anyone.  Answering the farking phone did.
 
2013-04-20 02:28:28 AM  

clyph: Kittypie070: Oh what ever will you do now?

The Mozambique drill.

The police can come and collect the body after they finish their coffee and donuts.


Really.

So you're awake 24/7/365 and locked loaded and packin' at all times.

OK then.

*smirk*
 
2013-04-20 02:31:36 AM  

clyph: Kittypie070: OH NO OH NO HOW AWFUL THAT YOU ARE BEING PROTECTED FROM CRIMINALS.

They can protect me by doing their jobs as usual.  Which they did.  

Driving tanks down the street and kicking in innocent people's front doors didn't protect anyone.  Answering the farking phone did.


Yes, tanks, Gatling guns, and beating people with fatty's leg is how they figured this all out. You are delusional, and it is sad.
 
2013-04-20 02:32:13 AM  

Fubini: Heh- I've thought about printing up Obama 2016 bumper stickers just for lulz.


I'd buy one, just to fark with the morons
 
2013-04-20 02:33:55 AM  

BullBearMS: Because it wasn't possible to take a few seconds while the kid was being taken on the stretcher to the ambulance? It was impossible during the ride to the hospital?


The reports I've head said the young man was unconsious from blood loss. Mirandizing someone in that condition is not appropriate. The person being Mirandized has to acknowledge that they understand their rights as explained to them. The suspect was in no condition to do that.
 
2013-04-20 02:34:05 AM  
d3sertion:
They don't need your consent or a warrant.  Exigent circumstances obviate the need for either and there has hardly ever been a clearer case than police searching for a wounded and deranged teenager who has a recent history of detonating explosives.

If you really are a lawyer, demand a refund from whatever 3rd tier law school you attended.  Exigent circumstances does not cover searching house to house in an entire section of a city because of a belief that a suspect may be hiding out in the area.
 
2013-04-20 02:35:59 AM  

dark brew: cretinbob: Note he's holding it above the proximal cuff between two fingers. You can see the stylet. The distal cuff is just about to go in.
Maybe the attempt was unsuccesful and they switched to an NRB, but that's a King.

There is no stylet with a King airway.  Also, you have to fark up pretty bad to not successfully use the King.  You are seeing things in that photo that simply aren't there.  Could the King LT have been used?  Absolutely, but there isn't enough evidence in that one photo for you to claim that it is certainly being inserted by that ATF agent.


gag reflex, but why no OPA first would be odd.
Let's just leave it as I see a King and you don't.
 
2013-04-20 02:36:36 AM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: Says you ...


You just got a big green color my friend. Maybe you're the Hulk.
 
2013-04-20 02:36:37 AM  
Kittypie070: You don't know about the OH GOD THE FACE EATING MONKEYS ARE GOING TO STEAL ALL THE CRYING SPARKLY EAGLE NEMATODE BIBLESS IN OUR LAWNS hysteria swirling around the concept of "Obama Third Term"?

Go on, toss the phrase into Google.


Eh, the Google results for "OH GOD THE FACE EATING MONKEYS ARE GOING TO STEAL ALL THE CRYING SPARKLY EAGLE NEMATODE BIBLESS IN OUR LAWNS " are pretty weak.
 
2013-04-20 02:37:25 AM  

clyph: Kittypie070: OH NO OH NO HOW AWFUL THAT YOU ARE BEING PROTECTED FROM CRIMINALS.

They can protect me by doing their jobs as usual.  Which they did.  

Driving tanks down the street and kicking in innocent people's front doors didn't protect anyone.


There were tanks driving down the street?
There were innocent peoples' doors kicked in?

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2013-04-20 02:38:07 AM  

Tommy Moo: impaler: Tommy Moo: Pretty much. I have never understood why the left in this country is the group that defense these shiatbirds

The left is defending the bombers?

Oh wait, no they're not.

You mean Muslims? Defending them as in "they're not all terrorists."

Yeah, it's about the deference between individuals and groups.


I do meanradicalMuslims. Did you read my post? I wasn't just talking about terrorists(well, I actually was, I've just not undertaken enough research to realize it). I can't believe that  liberals anyone in this country defends  Muslims people whose religion I do not understand, again, because I have never actually read any legitimate literature regarding it. Whether they are actively killing people or not, they still believe that women are the dominion of men,that science is evil and arrogant, that homosexuals should suffer extreme castigation, and that anyone who is not part of their blood cult will be tortured in hell for all of eternity. Liberals love to hate on Christianity, but for some reason (white guilt comes to mind) they can't express disfavor of Islam, in spite of the fact that it's  the exact same a very similar farking religion. EveryradicalMuslim in the world pretty much believes all the same shiat as  Pat Robertson and Mike Huckabee the Westboro Baptist ChurchAl Qaida and the Taliban are just the Alpha males who beat you up on the playground, and the WBC's are the B-males that clamor around in a circle to point and cheer them on.

FTFY

/believes in zero gods
//spent over a decade studying religion; they're all full of shiat
///knows from reading your many posts here, as well as your profile insert, you're a troll; no retort required (hint: none will be acknowledged, so further tantrums will be  solely for your own need to feel important on  teh interwebs.Mission accomplishedTM?)
 
2013-04-20 02:38:31 AM  
let us celebrate the militarization of the police
 
2013-04-20 02:39:25 AM  
And by the way, poking fun and joking around is not "hate" as some tender little crybaby whined above.

Not when crybaby's book-thumping ilk screeched during one administration that We Must Stand By Our President In A Time Of War And To Not Do So is Vile Treason, and on a certain fairly recent January they turned a precise 180 and screeched The President is A Filthy Usurper.
 
2013-04-20 02:40:31 AM  

d3sertion: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist:
I would simply like to see the warrants issued or the recorded acceptance of search that apparently every household in this entire town agreed to without any coercion.

They don't need your consent or a warrant.  Exigent circumstances obviate the need for either and there has hardly ever been a clearer case than police searching for a wounded and deranged teenager who has a recent history is suspected of detonating explosives.


The entire time he was referred to as suspect #2.

Everyone seems to forget that. Especially the "Fartbongo is ruining Reagan's Constitution" crowd. I fully expect them to call for his impeachment over what they imagine happened during this.
 
2013-04-20 02:40:53 AM  

d3sertion: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist:
I would simply like to see the warrants issued or the recorded acceptance of search that apparently every household in this entire town agreed to without any coercion.

They don't need your consent or a warrant.  Exigent circumstances obviate the need for either and there has hardly ever been a clearer case than police searching for a wounded and deranged teenager who has a recent history of detonating explosives.


Exigent circumstances require clear and present danger and probable cause. Simply owning property within a certain radius does not make it probable that you are harboring a dangerous individual.
 
2013-04-20 02:41:04 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: BullBearMS: Because it wasn't possible to take a few seconds while the kid was being taken on the stretcher to the ambulance? It was impossible during the ride to the hospital?

The reports I've head said the young man was unconsious from blood loss. Mirandizing someone in that condition is not appropriate. The person being Mirandized has to acknowledge that they understand their rights as explained to them. The suspect was in no condition to do that.


Again, the decision to not read people their rights when the word "terrorist" comes up was made some time ago and had nothing to do with the facts on the ground in this case, no matter how many times people try to make this excuse.

The Obama administration has issued new guidance on use of the Miranda warning in interrogations of terrorism suspects, potentially chipping away at the rule that bars the government from using information in court if it was gathered before a suspect was informed of his right to remain silent and to an attorney.
 
2013-04-20 02:41:07 AM  

Tax Boy:


awrsome
 
2013-04-20 02:41:13 AM  

draa: GreatGlavinsGhost: Says you ...

You just got a big green color my friend. Maybe you're the Hulk.


Heh.
 
2013-04-20 02:41:15 AM  

Doom MD: let us celebrate the militarization of the police


Oh look. another drama queen.
 
2013-04-20 02:42:11 AM  

clyph: Kittypie070: Oh what ever will you do now?

The Mozambique drill.

The police can come and collect the body after they finish their coffee and donuts.


I didn't know Zimmerman was allowed Internet access.
 
2013-04-20 02:42:21 AM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: The entire time he was referred to as suspect #2.


Uh, yeah, that suspect sh*t went right out the window when a cop was killed and his brother blew himself up in a hail of gunfire.
 
2013-04-20 02:42:55 AM  

BullBearMS: HideAndGoFarkYourself: 
The PSE has been around for nearly 30 years.  It's not a "new policy" by any means.

The PSE had to do with asking a criminal the question "Where is the gun?" before reading them their rights.

The Obama administration has expanded that to include hours of interrogation.


Your legal analysis is completely vapid.  This was asking "are there anymore bombs" before wheeling the guy into surgery.  It is a clear example of the PSE, "expanded" or not.

The more important point, which you steadfastly refuse to comprehend, is that Miranda is wholly irrelevant in this situation.  You don't ever mirandize a suspect unless you're interrogating them seeking admissible evidence.  In this case, they do not need to use his statements about the locations of bombs against him in court.  In all of the cases you cited, there was virtually no physical evidence or any other sufficient circumstantial evidence to convict the suspects without relying on their confessions or fruit produced from those confessions.

You just don't know what you're talking about.
 
2013-04-20 02:43:06 AM  

dark brew: If you really are a lawyer, demand a refund from whatever 3rd tier law school you attended.  Exigent circumstances does not cover searching house to house in an entire section of a city because of a belief that a suspect may be hiding out in the area.


Here's the thing: how many of those people refused a search, and did the police do a search anyway?  If they did, it's clearly a violation of rights, and the aggrieved stand to make a lot of lawsuit money.

But I don't think they did. I think that there were a lot of heavily armed cops in a small area, and some people's imagination ran away from them. If they had actually conducted illegal searches, you'd hear about it from more sources and reputable sources, (especially now that they need something new to talk about) but I haven't heard that. Have you?
 
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