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2013-04-20 01:25:44 AM  

Fecal Conservative: Boojum2k: 4seasons85!: Lee Jackson Beauregard: Glenford: Revek: Crap they took him  alive.

I want this prick to live the rest of his life behind bars. Death is the easy way out.

That, and there's the "72 virgins" factor.  Of course the ones that died are going to find that "paradise" has a much hotter climate than they bargained for, but the idea of martyrdom will still motivate the next idiot who wants to kill some infidels.

Actually there is good evidence that the original words said grapes and somehow it got mistranslated to 72 virgins.

Advertising campaign, it's easier to convince young, frustrated, ignorant young men to blow themselves up with the promise of poon than with dessert.

I dunno, how good is this dessert?

/Not so young anymore


Yeah, give me one virgin just to feed me these grapes and I might be okay. Not okay to blow myself up over or give up alcohol over, though.
 
2013-04-20 01:26:25 AM  

torquestripe: But this is small shiat compared to a/an THOROCOTOMY!

Thank you FARK for expanding my vocabulary.


needle cricothyrotomy ....Check that one out. It's the next step for an airway.
 
2013-04-20 01:26:27 AM  

muck4doo: BullBearMS: andychrist420: No one is arguing against Mirandizing this guy

There's been a constant stream of excuses in this thread.

My favorite was that he might not have been fully conscious, as if you couldn't possibly read them to him again later.

Stop making excuses for extrajudicial behavior. America shouldn't behave like a bunch of pants wetting pussies who can't be bothered to follow their own laws when the word terrorism is mentioned.

It was a great victory tonight, and we got the bad guys. Stop pissing all over it. I'm sure he'll be read his rights. Stop finding any excuse to be mad at this country.


Who gives a shiat about Miranda rights?  Miranda rights exist to protect any testimony that the police may obtain from suspects who claim that they had never heard they had the right to an attorney or not to incriminate themselves.  They're not supposed to actually protect the arrested.  From the looks of those pictures, that guy's not confessing to anything any time soon unless he's really good at sign language, and even so, I don't think any case against him is going to hinge on  his testimony.
 
2013-04-20 01:26:36 AM  

draa: You know what I see in this kid? My kids. One 18 and one 22. And my nephew who's 23. I'm not excusing anything he or his brother did but I also understand that they are both still kids in many respects.


Seriously- I work on a college campus and both of these guys would fit right in. Idiot kids with their whole lives ahead of them and not a drop of experience in the way of the world.
 
2013-04-20 01:26:41 AM  

PacificaFitz: That was not a Mandatory shelter in place


Just like evacuations, there's no such thing as "mandatory" shelter in place, or whatever. Some localities have laws concerning fines if people do not obey "mandatory evacuation" orders, IIRC, but the feds got nothing.

bluorangefyre: I think in the midst of all of this, and the fertilizer plant explosion in Texas, nobody has asked if Omarion is OK or if we need to pray for him.


I saw it at least one "Pray for Omarion" in a related thread in the last few days. Pretty sure in was one about Texas.
 
2013-04-20 01:27:14 AM  

TheManofPA: GreatGlavinsGhost: TheManofPA: GreatGlavinsGhost: TheManofPA: Monday was the bombing
Creation of fear, but lots of citizens helping others
Tuesday was Waco
Hellish fireball, but people trying to help again
Friday was the capture
Great way to end the week

When was the ricin mailings?

That was evil move number 25.

/should have worked that in somehow.

Sorry, didn't mean to crap on your poem, i just couldn't remember.

I'm pro the constructive Idea. I was trying to think of the whole week. I think Ricin was Tuesday/Wednesday.


I think it goes, "Tuesdays child is full of ricin."
 
2013-04-20 01:27:23 AM  

lanabanabutt: Who the fark cares about all this political BS.  I am just happy that me and my 3 small kids can play outside again.  I am happy I have effing FEET to walk on.  I am happy my babies are alive and have all their limbs.  I am happy I can open my windows instead of suffocating on this hot day.  Worry about the politics, Obama this, tax dollars that tomorrow.  Just celebrate being alive and sleeping peaceful tonight.  With all your limbs and family members.


What an immense false sense of security you have. This is why I don't like 'big' events like this where the media is sensationalizing it like the biggest money shot ever and the public eats it up like lapdogs. He and his bro killed 4 people. I guarantee you since Monday there have been more than 4 victims of murder in an average size city all over the US.

Truth is terrorists kills less than 1% of all victims of murder in the US. Hell there are probably more than 4 murders that happened in Boston in the last week. Even if these two douchebags didn't kill anyone the annual Boston murder rate would not be that much effected at all.
 
2013-04-20 01:27:32 AM  

Skarekrough: styckx: It's amazing Alex Jones is still labeling this guy a Patsy and this entire thing was a false flag operation.

Michael Bay couldn't have written this script if given 5 years..

As a writer I concede to the wingnuts on a nearly daily basis.

Nothing I could come up with rivals some of the theories Jones and Glen Beck have managed to orchestrate in their minds.  It's breathtaking.

But it's also terrifying.  These are the same people that go out into the world and order in an IHOP and are trusted to complete the transaction without an incident.


Terrifying, as opposed to a pressure cooker bomb political statement.
 
2013-04-20 01:28:03 AM  

Grungehamster: Hate to bring the partisan politics in, but I'm predicting right now: if the Washington Post's story that the FBI interviewed the older brother 2 years ago is true, it will be Benghazi all over again that Obama didn't arrest him back then when he could have prevented all this by locking him up back then. It won't matter if he actually was planning/actively linked to any terrorist groups back then will be irrelevant: this will be an outrage for a few months at least.


So much for this then

morphemedictionary.com

unless......
 
2013-04-20 01:28:05 AM  

muck4doo: Mixed feelings on seeing people cheer the police.


Really. I felt the same way after the crowds came out cheering the death of bin Laden.

What caught the guy wasn't even all of the rights-infringing policies we've enacted since 9/11, it was a freak accident of them being in the wrong 7/11 at the wrong time, and a tip from an informed citizen. After a systematic rape of the Fourth Amendment across an entire town, they cheer. They cheer not because an informed citizen noticed something odd, but because the authorities did "everything necessary" to catch the suspect.

It's like watching a microcosm of the events surrounding the Patriot Act in slow motion.
 
2013-04-20 01:28:08 AM  

IlGreven: Epiphany: CNN now reporting that the same people who tried to save white hats brothers life are the ones working on him now.

So he probably is already dead.

Nah. His brother was truly farked up and was DOA. Nothing they could've done.


Yep. His bro went into cardiac arrest as soon as he arrived at the hospital. He reportedly had burns, which I hope means he was injured by one of his own bombs.
 
2013-04-20 01:29:26 AM  

al's hat: saturn badger: al's hat: Manson is just plain crazy so maybe he's happy but ask the whole "et al" how they feel about life in prison.

Manson may not be all that crazy but is definitely a PR person. I know someone who was an art teacher in Vacaville when Manson was there. He told me he was just a normal person until the cameras rolled or was interviewed.

Be that as it may, he would still probably prefer to be outside than inside and he's still a freakin' nutjob.


Won't argue that point.
 
2013-04-20 01:30:09 AM  

HideAndGoFarkYourself: This guy was likely unconscious, or at the least, debilitated to the point where he couldn't understand/waive his rights anyway when arrested. It's not like he gets to walk out of the hospital because they didn't immediately Mirandize him. Rest assured, if he's questioned, he'll be read his rights.

The Public Safety Exception is there to allow officers, facing an imminent threat (like a bomb going off, or a dying person) to forego Miranda in the interest of the greater good. If the suspect is going to be spending hours or days in the hospital, that exception would not apply.


THANKYOU!  I've been reading too much crap about how he's being setup for release by not being Mirandized (from the right) to he's not being Mirandized so he can be treated like an Iraq combatant and shoved down the Gitmo hole (from the left).  At least they agree on something finally.

Thanks for saying what I couldn't say as well.
 
2013-04-20 01:30:49 AM  

Silly Jesus: saturn badger: thisiszombocom: they were walking around in a crowded public space, dropped a couple bags and fled. its not just marathons, it could happen at a parade, park, etc. at least theres some security when entering a stadium. heaven forbid they were suicide bombers, and secured themselves in a crowd for maximum damage.

The interesting part to me is the guy in the hospital looked at him, dude dropped a back pack and walked away. I can see getting caught up in the heat of the moment of the race but looking someone in the eyes is a pretty deep connection. A lot can be read there. Why didn't he wonder why the guy dropped the pack and walked away? Another point of view I would like to hear.

Blaming the victim.  Niiiice.


Where did I do that? I merely said I would like to hear his story.
 
2013-04-20 01:31:19 AM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Move over Alex Jones - Glenn Beck has you beat by a mile here:  http://bit.ly/ZyLgbO

"Beck gives Feds until Monday to come clean on Marathon cover-up"


They're still going on about the Saudi student? Sweet Jesus.

By the way they KNOW he's a very, VERY bad guy because his last name is the same as several terrorists, including one who is related to bin Laden! (It's also the name of sever soccer players as well as some professors; it ain't a super-rare last name in Saudi Arabia)
 
2013-04-20 01:31:23 AM  

shower_in_my_socks: Yep. His bro went into cardiac arrest as soon as he arrived at the hospital. He reportedly had burns, which I hope means he was injured by one of his own bombs.


He was. It was strapped to him
 
2013-04-20 01:31:46 AM  

muck4doo: djkutch: I'm just curious as to what problem these Muslim kids were using the 2nd Amendment to solve.

2nd Amendment doesn't say you have a right to explode bombs on innocent people. Don't be a douche.


I didn't say it did. I said I was curious what the problem was.
 
2013-04-20 01:32:21 AM  

Fubini: Grungehamster: it will be Benghazi all over again that Obama didn't arrest him back then when he could have prevented all this by locking him up back then.

It would be awesome if our president was a crime fighting super hero.


He's a fan of Spider-Man, but I think he'd probably make a pretty good Iron Man given his talent for snark.

Not saying I agree with him often, I don't, but I think he's a good guy.
 
2013-04-20 01:32:54 AM  

SuperNinjaToad: lanabanabutt: Who the fark cares about all this political BS.  I am just happy that me and my 3 small kids can play outside again.  I am happy I have effing FEET to walk on.  I am happy my babies are alive and have all their limbs.  I am happy I can open my windows instead of suffocating on this hot day.  Worry about the politics, Obama this, tax dollars that tomorrow.  Just celebrate being alive and sleeping peaceful tonight.  With all your limbs and family members.

What an immense false sense of security you have. This is why I don't like 'big' events like this where the media is sensationalizing it like the biggest money shot ever and the public eats it up like lapdogs. He and his bro killed 4 people. I guarantee you since Monday there have been more than 4 victims of murder in an average size city all over the US.

Truth is terrorists kills less than 1% of all victims of murder in the US. Hell there are probably more than 4 murders that happened in Boston in the last week. Even if these two douchebags didn't kill anyone the annual Boston murder rate would not be that much effected at all.


Not to mention, 39,000 Americans die in traffic accidents each year. That guy's three kids are more likely to die on the way to school than anything. We're afraid of things we don't need to worry about at all, like "terrorism," and ignorant of how dangerous just going outside at all is.
 
2013-04-20 01:33:35 AM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: They cheer not because an informed citizen noticed something odd


And why was he hiding in a boat in someone's back yard? Could it, perhaps, have something to do with thousands of law enforcement personnel creating a dragnet and going door-to-door through the neighborhood, making escape or finding a better hiding place impossible? If there is a bomb-throwing, homicidal maniac carjacking his way through my neighborhood, the cops can come the fark into my house if it saves lives. There are much more egregious civil rights issues confronting us right now than what law enforcement did for one day to ensure that NOT A SINGLE CIVILIAN was killed during the pursuit of these @ssholes.
 
2013-04-20 01:33:38 AM  

cretinbob: torquestripe: But this is small shiat compared to a/an THOROCOTOMY!

Thank you FARK for expanding my vocabulary.

needle cricothyrotomy ....Check that one out. It's the next step for an airway.


Or if you really like cutting...  Pancreaticoduodenectomy


/Sleep well
 
2013-04-20 01:33:46 AM  

cretinbob: torquestripe: But this is small shiat compared to a/an THOROCOTOMY!

Thank you FARK for expanding my vocabulary.

needle cricothyrotomy ....Check that one out. It's the next step for an airway.


The more you know!
 
2013-04-20 01:34:09 AM  

muck4doo: BullBearMS: andychrist420: No one is arguing against Mirandizing this guy

There's been a constant stream of excuses in this thread.

My favorite was that he might not have been fully conscious, as if you couldn't possibly read them to him again later.

Stop making excuses for extrajudicial behavior. America shouldn't behave like a bunch of pants wetting pussies who can't be bothered to follow their own laws when the word terrorism is mentioned.

It was a great victory tonight, and we got the bad guys. Stop pissing all over it. I'm sure he'll be read his rights. Stop finding any excuse to be mad at this country.


Stop making excuses that sound suspiciously like "we had to destroy the village to save it".

A democracy doesn't fight terrorism by throwing it's own laws aside. Something America has clearly been doing for over a decade now.
 
2013-04-20 01:34:32 AM  

BullBearMS: andychrist420: No one is arguing against Mirandizing this guy

There's been a constant stream of excuses in this thread.

My favorite was that he might not have been fully conscious, as if you couldn't possibly read them to him again later.

Stop making excuses for extrajudicial behavior. America shouldn't behave like a bunch of pants wetting pussies who can't be bothered to follow their own laws when the word terrorism is mentioned.


I've read the thread, and reading someone his rights when he's not fully conscious is a waste of time.  The law says he has to acknowledge his rights anyway.  Nobody is arguing against reading Miranda, but until he's being questioned concerning the crime, they aren't necessary.  One such instance would be, say, he's in critical condition in the hospital.  Once released, he'll be arrested, Mirandized, and taken to jail.  Just like a drunk driver would.  There is no extra-judicial behavior.  Stop making false comparisons.

Besides, unless these Farkers are Federal Judges (highly unlikely) their opinion means the same as yours.  Jack shiat.
 
2013-04-20 01:34:53 AM  

TyrantII: saturn badger: thisiszombocom: they were walking around in a crowded public space, dropped a couple bags and fled. its not just marathons, it could happen at a parade, park, etc. at least theres some security when entering a stadium. heaven forbid they were suicide bombers, and secured themselves in a crowd for maximum damage.

The interesting part to me is the guy in the hospital looked at him, dude dropped a back pack and walked away. I can see getting caught up in the heat of the moment of the race but looking someone in the eyes is a pretty deep connection. A lot can be read there. Why didn't he wonder why the guy dropped the pack and walked away? Another point of view I would like to hear.

Because there was literally no time to react.  They have that photo where the smoke is still rising and white hat is rounding the corner.

I was surprised too, but apparently these guys set these things for under 10-20 seconds.  Even with people thinking see something say something, they don't expect someone that placed a game down to blow up when he's only a few feet away, if they noticed at all in that timespan.


I thought it was 2 minutes or so. It seems like 10-20 seconds is cutting it close. Especially with a timer. And getting away from a blast like that in that time frame if you expect to leave is asking for trouble.

I did see the pic of white hat and the smoke. I'm guessing he was around a corner somewhere. The *could* have made tracks in that time frame but he chose not to.
 
2013-04-20 01:35:07 AM  

BullBearMS: andychrist420: No one is arguing against Mirandizing this guy

There's been a constant stream of excuses in this thread.

My favorite was that he might not have been fully conscious, as if you couldn't possibly read them to him again later.

Stop making excuses for extrajudicial behavior. America shouldn't behave like a bunch of pants wetting pussies who can't be bothered to follow their own laws when the word terrorism is mentioned.


I hope you're not an American, because you clearly have no idea how our laws work.

Extrajudicial behavior?  What the hell are you talking about.  When you're arrested for committing a crime red-handed it is often a day or even longer before you're mirandized.  Oftentimes you're never mirandized.  The only time those rights come into play is when you're being interrogated in a custodial setting.  If they have 20 eyewitnesses who saw you shooting at cops, they don't need to ask you a damn thing to prove their case.  Asking this kid if he planted any other bombs is not a miscarriage of justice and is directly in line with the Supreme Court's interpretation of Miranda.  And before you start being an idiot and arguing against the Supreme Court's rulings, keep in mind that Miranda itself comes from a Supreme Court case.  They made it up they decide when it's applicable.  Ask any Constitutional Law scholar and they'll tell you the exact same.
 
2013-04-20 01:35:30 AM  

MisterTweak: Bostonians get hammered with a particular flair. I was up there for a couple days not too long ago. Walking back to hotel, maybe 10pm on a friday. A guy in his 20's wobbles out of a bar, wearing a good-quality suit and tie. Steps precisely to the curb, toes perched just over the edge of the sidewalk. Uses one hand to hold his tie in place, extends the other hand to the side - for balance, I presume - bends forward with the practiced confidence of an executive in Tokyo, and power-barfs into the street. Stands up, straightens jacket, wipes lip with handkerchief, spins, honor-guard style, on his heel, and marches back into the bar.


CSB
 
2013-04-20 01:35:38 AM  

saturn badger: TyrantII: saturn badger: thisiszombocom: they were walking around in a crowded public space, dropped a couple bags and fled. its not just marathons, it could happen at a parade, park, etc. at least theres some security when entering a stadium. heaven forbid they were suicide bombers, and secured themselves in a crowd for maximum damage.

The interesting part to me is the guy in the hospital looked at him, dude dropped a back pack and walked away. I can see getting caught up in the heat of the moment of the race but looking someone in the eyes is a pretty deep connection. A lot can be read there. Why didn't he wonder why the guy dropped the pack and walked away? Another point of view I would like to hear.

Because there was literally no time to react.  They have that photo where the smoke is still rising and white hat is rounding the corner.

I was surprised too, but apparently these guys set these things for under 10-20 seconds.  Even with people thinking see something say something, they don't expect someone that placed a game down to blow up when he's only a few feet away, if they noticed at all in that timespan.

I thought it was 2 minutes or so. It seems like 10-20 seconds is cutting it close. Especially with a timer. And getting away from a blast like that in that time frame if you expect to leave is asking for trouble.

I did see the pic of white hat and the smoke. I'm guessing he was around a corner somewhere. The *could* have made tracks in that time frame but he chose not to.


I read the timers were set for 150 sec.
 
2013-04-20 01:35:44 AM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: muck4doo: Mixed feelings on seeing people cheer the police.

Really. I felt the same way after the crowds came out cheering the death of bin Laden.

What caught the guy wasn't even all of the rights-infringing policies we've enacted since 9/11, it was a freak accident of them being in the wrong 7/11 at the wrong time, and a tip from an informed citizen. After a systematic rape of the Fourth Amendment across an entire town, they cheer. They cheer not because an informed citizen noticed something odd, but because the authorities did "everything necessary" to catch the suspect.

It's like watching a microcosm of the events surrounding the Patriot Act in slow motion.


It's over. Boston won't be on lock down anymore. Extraordinary events may take place and require a day of extraordinary measures. But these are gone now. Be glad they got the bad guys.

cretinbob: muck4doo: It was a great victory tonight, and we got the bad guys. Stop pissing all over it. I'm sure he'll be read his rights. Stop finding any excuse to be mad at this country.

I was hoping we could be a United States again, but some people just don't want that. Odd that they are the oes who cream the loudest that they are the best , most patriotic Americans, isn't it.


We are a United States. Ignore the asshats.
 
2013-04-20 01:36:02 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Sooo, do we have any farking idea what the scope of these guy's plans were, or what their motivation was?


Why sure, he's been absolutely singing like a canary since he was brought into (perhaps) the ICU in a state of probable semiconsciousness, with tubes shoved in everywhere, and the P-12's have gotten a whole terabyte drive filled with audio recordings of the interrogations by now.

My gods you are stupid.
 
2013-04-20 01:36:08 AM  

zabadu: Well, bye then. Enjoy the training. And the fully covered women.


Are you trolling or are you actually retarded?
 
2013-04-20 01:37:02 AM  

Fecal Conservative: Pancreaticoduodenectomy


Hey,
 I just wanted to breath!
 
2013-04-20 01:37:08 AM  

Boojum2k: Fubini: Grungehamster: it will be Benghazi all over again that Obama didn't arrest him back then when he could have prevented all this by locking him up back then.

It would be awesome if our president was a crime fighting super hero.

He's a fan of Spider-Man, but I think he'd probably make a pretty good Iron Man given his talent for snark.

Not saying I agree with him often, I don't, but I think he's a good guy.


You have to admit - he's like a good luck charm for the US since he's been elected... averted the financial meltdown, got Bin Laden, got the Boston bomber, got health care reform - it's like everything he's involved with turns out perfectly. Maybe we should seriously think about amending the constitution again to allow more than two terms for this guy. It couldn't hurt.
 
2013-04-20 01:38:08 AM  

HideAndGoFarkYourself: The Public Safety Exception is there to allow officers, facing an imminent threat (like a bomb going off, or a dying person) to forego Miranda in the interest of the greater good. If the suspect is going to be spending hours or days in the hospital, that exception would not apply.


Not to mention the PSE has been around since the early 80's. Seems to me if people wanted to compalin about it they're about 30 years too late in doing so.
 
2013-04-20 01:38:17 AM  

djkutch: muck4doo: djkutch: I'm just curious as to what problem these Muslim kids were using the 2nd Amendment to solve.

2nd Amendment doesn't say you have a right to explode bombs on innocent people. Don't be a douche.

I didn't say it did. I said I was curious what the problem was.


Problem is these guys killed three, and maimed many others. Have you not watched the news this week?
 
2013-04-20 01:38:50 AM  

Fubini: tenpoundsofcheese: The guys at Nuremberg tried that defense too.

Good point

tenpoundsofcheese:It is sick that people buy it and are terrorist apologists.

WTF? Why ruin a perfectly good comment with crap? Do you shiat all over yourself too?

Where is anyone defending terrorism? Or are you the kind of person that can't empathize with people you don't agree with? Are you so emotionally stunted that everything in your entire world is only ever wholly good or wholly evil?

Look at some of the photos of this guy. Prom dates. College student stuff. Run of the mill Facebook and Twitter accounts. Do you really think that this guy is wholly evil? Do you think that every time he tweeted or posted a status update he immediately followed it with thoughts of bloody carnage? When he drove his prom date home, do you think he was contemplating how to bomb innocent kids?

I don't believe that this guy was born with a black heart. Something about the world warped him. It doesn't excuse him of his crimes, just like it didn't excuse the Nazis at Nuremberg. Take a step back and see this guy for who he is: a person, who for most of his life was a normal person just like you and me. Just because I recognize these things doesn't mean I'm condoning his actions.


Lame try in moving the goal posts.
You said you don't have any malice towards him.
That is NOT the same as saying that he is "wholly evil" and your stupid examples of him having terrible thoughts after his prom date.

He can be a wonderful date, have funny tweets, feed his dog on a regular schedule, but if he blows up people and goes on a killing rampage, I will hold a lot of malice towards him.  I won't be a terrorist apologist like you are trying to be by saying that he is a normal person just like you and me, except of course for the killing.
 
2013-04-20 01:40:20 AM  

John Paul Jones: Mark my words. This event is the end of CNN, and the end of Fark. There is nothing of use in either, any more.


Not so fast. Does CNN post pics of boobies? I think not. I think not.

One thing I've learned from all of this is the Obama administration intends to prosecute through civilian courts. Which, having seen some of the pics and heard some of the stories about our military justice system dealing with enemy combatants, might influence a young impressionable, wounded terrorist to turn himself in rather than kill himself to avoid decades of solitary confinement, torture and other niceties at Gitmo.
 
2013-04-20 01:40:30 AM  

andychrist420: I've read the thread, and reading someone his rights when he's not fully conscious is a waste of time.


So what? Read them again later, if you like.

Seriously, why are so many people acting like reading him his rights is a bad thing?
 
2013-04-20 01:40:42 AM  

Pumpernickel bread: HideAndGoFarkYourself: The freaking media and their perpetuating nonsense of the law.  Not every person arrested is read their Miranda Warnings.  I have arrested probably 1,000 who have never been read their rights.  The ONLY time you have to read somebody their rights, is if they are 1) in custody/not free to leave and 2) are being questioned.

The damn media and police procedural television shows make it seem like a person is arrested for something as simple as driving on a suspended license, and the police officer ALWAYS stands by the back window and reads them their rights, or he reads them as he's dramatically handcuffing him.  That's simply not the case.  If there's no reason to question the guy, there's no reason to Mirandize him. If he wants to sit in the back of the police car and talk and talk and talk and confess, good, let him.  It's ALL admissible as long as he's not prompted by the police to do so.

This guy was likely unconscious, or at the least, debilitated to the point where he couldn't understand/waive his rights anyway when arrested.  It's not like he gets to walk out of the hospital because they didn't immediately Mirandize him.  Rest assured, if he's questioned, he'll be read his rights.

The Public Safety Exception is there to allow officers, facing an imminent threat (like a bomb going off, or a dying person) to forego Miranda in the interest of the greater good.  If the suspect is going to be spending hours or days in the hospital, that exception would not apply.

What an interesting handle for an LEO.  I must say, it certainly plays into the stereotype of cops held on this site.  Something along the lines of:


[24.media.tumblr.com image 450x649]


Or, a humorous play on the popular Monty Python sketch on the "many uses for the word fark."

Not everybody's username is some deep seeded, meaningful thing.
 
2013-04-20 01:41:21 AM  
That's it.. I'm turning off the internet

Alex Jones fans are now trying to say the FBI really killed perp #2 and replaced his body with an impersonator to play the role of the "captured" suspect.

From derp central.


The FBI could have used impersonators for the Hollywood ending shootouts and fake deaths, then switch the bodies.

The last thing the FBI wanted was for the suspects to meekly surrender proclaiming innocence.

If they were innocent, it's difficult to believe they would be in a shoot out with police.
 
2013-04-20 01:41:23 AM  

cretinbob: oes who cream the loudest


...go on.
 
2013-04-20 01:41:54 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Grand_Moff_Joseph: ..and the Boston area mosque has already been vandalized

https://twitter.com/Ezaffar/status/325462951777673217/photo/1

And in the past 2 months several christian churches in that area have been vandalized.
http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2013/02/03/three-wilmington-churches -v andalized-police-say/tqnjRUEGG2p7WTXuX4eBnN/story.html
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/03/15/westport-church-offers-r ew ard-find-vandals/UGPePreRGluhYaTJd85nvJ/story.html
Not that anyone cares, or that they will be called a "hate crimes", or cause any hand wringing (or even be noticed at all) by the sensitive enlightened crowd. *Shrug*


It's us atheists.  We had a meeting last January to pick the city we would fark with, and Boston won.  We figured the secular seat of so much of American history, combined with such a pluralistic local culture, would make for a perfect statement.  Firebomb All the Churches!

Or I could be wrong.  That meeting was on a Sunday morning and I don't do much more than NFL pregame on Sundays before the beer starts at 11.
 
2013-04-20 01:41:54 AM  

ISO15693: Maybe we should seriously think about amending the constitution again to allow more than two terms for this guy. It couldn't hurt.


Heh- I've thought about printing up Obama 2016 bumper stickers just for lulz.
 
2013-04-20 01:42:27 AM  

andychrist420: BullBearMS: andychrist420: No one is arguing against Mirandizing this guy

There's been a constant stream of excuses in this thread.

My favorite was that he might not have been fully conscious, as if you couldn't possibly read them to him again later.

Stop making excuses for extrajudicial behavior. America shouldn't behave like a bunch of pants wetting pussies who can't be bothered to follow their own laws when the word terrorism is mentioned.

I've read the thread, and reading someone his rights when he's not fully conscious is a waste of time.  The law says he has to acknowledge his rights anyway.  Nobody is arguing against reading Miranda, but until he's being questioned concerning the crime, they aren't necessary.  One such instance would be, say, he's in critical condition in the hospital.  Once released, he'll be arrested, Mirandized, and taken to jail.  Just like a drunk driver would.  There is no extra-judicial behavior.  Stop making false comparisons.

Besides, unless these Farkers are Federal Judges (highly unlikely) their opinion means the same as yours.  Jack shiat.


But as a LEO to CYA always mirandize, no matter what the circumstance.
 
2013-04-20 01:42:43 AM  

Dimensio: Given the quality of the released images, they may have escaped justice had they destroyed the clothing worn on the day of the bombing and avoided contact with one another.

/Leaving the city would have been a better option, however.


True. But they did have a name. That would not bode well for them unless they had some identity theft thing going on.
 
2013-04-20 01:43:33 AM  

BullBearMS: muck4doo: BullBearMS: andychrist420: No one is arguing against Mirandizing this guy

There's been a constant stream of excuses in this thread.

My favorite was that he might not have been fully conscious, as if you couldn't possibly read them to him again later.

Stop making excuses for extrajudicial behavior. America shouldn't behave like a bunch of pants wetting pussies who can't be bothered to follow their own laws when the word terrorism is mentioned.

It was a great victory tonight, and we got the bad guys. Stop pissing all over it. I'm sure he'll be read his rights. Stop finding any excuse to be mad at this country.

Stop making excuses that sound suspiciously like "we had to destroy the village to save it".

A democracy doesn't fight terrorism by throwing it's own laws aside. Something America has clearly been doing for over a decade now.


We aren't a democracy, and you are mad at this administration. We got the bad guys, and you can't be happy with that. You are acting like we just turned into a dictatorship, and it is BS. I'm calling you on it. I'm as Conservative as we come(ask many here), and am calling you on your BS. Boston PD and all the law enforcement did a great job here. Congratulate them. Be happy. You sound mad that the bad guys got caught.
 
2013-04-20 01:43:48 AM  

shower_in_my_socks: If there is a bomb-throwing, homicidal maniac carjacking his way through my neighborhood, the cops can come the fark into my house if it saves lives.


And that's your choice to allow them to do so. My concern is with the people who chose not to surrender their rights in the face of danger, those who would not trade essential liberty for temporary security, whose homes were ransacked regardless. What was done at the Boston Marathon was horrific, but if we so quickly abandon what it means to be American in the aftermath, then we really are nothing more than the hollow caricatures that our enemies portray us as.
 
2013-04-20 01:43:53 AM  

machoprogrammer: The fact they stayed around the area (probably stupidest thing they could've done) makes me think they wanted to go down


Considering they didn't go on the lam immediately after the bombing, I suspect they thought that they got away with it. Going out in a blaze of glory in a shoot-out with the cops looks like a hastily-improvised B plan.

Big bro was a woman-beating, hyper-aggressive psycho with a chip on his shoulder.  Little bro either idolized his big brother and would have followed him anywhere, or was completely dominated by him.  Possibly both.
 
2013-04-20 01:45:07 AM  

ISO15693: Boojum2k: Fubini: Grungehamster: it will be Benghazi all over again that Obama didn't arrest him back then when he could have prevented all this by locking him up back then.

It would be awesome if our president was a crime fighting super hero.

He's a fan of Spider-Man, but I think he'd probably make a pretty good Iron Man given his talent for snark.

Not saying I agree with him often, I don't, but I think he's a good guy.

You have to admit - he's like a good luck charm for the US since he's been elected... averted the financial meltdown, got Bin Laden, got the Boston bomber, got health care reform - it's like everything he's involved with turns out perfectly. Maybe we should seriously think about amending the constitution again to allow more than two terms for this guy. It couldn't hurt.


No, the Constitution works pretty well as a good-luck charm in and of itself, and there was good reason for Washington to set the precedent that he did, as finally solidified in the 22nd amendment. Let him enjoy his two terms as well as he can, and afterwards he can continue to be a spokesman and statesman.
 
2013-04-20 01:45:48 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Fubini: tenpoundsofcheese: The guys at Nuremberg tried that defense too.

Good point

tenpoundsofcheese:It is sick that people buy it and are terrorist apologists.

WTF? Why ruin a perfectly good comment with crap? Do you shiat all over yourself too?

Where is anyone defending terrorism? Or are you the kind of person that can't empathize with people you don't agree with? Are you so emotionally stunted that everything in your entire world is only ever wholly good or wholly evil?

Look at some of the photos of this guy. Prom dates. College student stuff. Run of the mill Facebook and Twitter accounts. Do you really think that this guy is wholly evil? Do you think that every time he tweeted or posted a status update he immediately followed it with thoughts of bloody carnage? When he drove his prom date home, do you think he was contemplating how to bomb innocent kids?

I don't believe that this guy was born with a black heart. Something about the world warped him. It doesn't excuse him of his crimes, just like it didn't excuse the Nazis at Nuremberg. Take a step back and see this guy for who he is: a person, who for most of his life was a normal person just like you and me. Just because I recognize these things doesn't mean I'm condoning his actions.

Lame try in moving the goal posts.
You said you don't have any malice towards him.
That is NOT the same as saying that he is "wholly evil" and your stupid examples of him having terrible thoughts after his prom date.

He can be a wonderful date, have funny tweets, feed his dog on a regular schedule, but if he blows up people and goes on a killing rampage, I will hold a lot of malice towards him.  I won't be a terrorist apologist like you are trying to be by saying that he is a normal person just like you and me, except of course for the killing.


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