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2013-04-19 11:43:16 PM

al's hat: cybrwzrd: al's hat: Fissile: al's hat: BullBearMS: that bosnian sniper: DamnYankees: To repeat...

...as I was just mentioning when the last thread got kiboshed, considering the media's batting average this week I'm hardly surprised they'd cite it as they did. And, if it's the AG's spouting that crap, I'm genuinely disappointed -- but hardly surprised -- in them they'd continue this Bush-era bullshiat.

The kid is a naturalized citizen. He has rights, deserves his day in court and so does Boston and the rest of the country. We're not frickin' Syria.

After the Madrid bombings in Spain, they caught the criminals gave them an open trial in a real court of law and found them guilty.

After the London bombings, they caught the criminals, gave them a public trial in a real court of law and found them guilty.

After the Mumbai bombings in India, they caught the criminals, gave them a public trial in a real court of law and found them guilty.

How about we not be a bunch of pussies this time, America?

So are you suggesting a stoning in front of the Old State House?

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I suggesting we turn him over to Putin's goons.  I'd pay to see the look on his face as he's dragged on to the Aeroflot plane.  Bye-bye, and don't forget to write.

Considering the number of American citizens' lives he has affected there are probably a whole bunch of folks who would like to see him face justice here in the good ol' US of A.  I'm glad they got him alive and I hope he spills his guts about who, what, where, why, and when before he gets convicted and sentenced.  If a federal jury sentences him to death and he sits on death row in solitary confinement with no privileges for 20+ years before his appeals are exhausted, so much the better.

Let him lose in federal PMTIA prison for a year or two first, on a deal with the inmates that no one who makes him his biatch kills him.

As a I said upthread a bit, Jeffrey Dahmer didn't die of old age in prison with his life sentence.


You cited the one example of a mass murderer that actually got it in prison.  Kaczinski, Manson, Kuklinski, et al all seem to be doing just fine behind bars.
 
2013-04-19 11:43:34 PM
hehe, ok Mr/Mrs mod. No more snarks :)
 
2013-04-19 11:43:47 PM
So, do you think his parents will visit him in the hospital?
 
2013-04-19 11:43:49 PM

John Paul Jones: Mark my words. This event is the end of CNN, and the end of Fark. There is nothing of use in either, any more.


24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-04-19 11:43:49 PM

muck4doo: silgryphon: Can I get a what what

What what?


WHAT WHAT!
 
2013-04-19 11:43:49 PM
So last night, I seem to remember that the last place they saw him was near Arsenal St and Arsenal Ct; that's <1 mile away from where he was found this evening.  I know I'm stating the obvious here, but I'm guessing he found his way to that boat before sunrise and spent the entire day there.

If he hadn't been found today, there's a good chance he would've died in that boat and the owner would've had a nice surprise in a couple of weeks when he first tried to use the thing.

Does anyone remember a later report of his location?  Arsenal and Arsenal was ~4am ET.
 
2013-04-19 11:44:03 PM
Well, I am sure Boston PD is just thrilled that a hundred thousand drunken Bostonians are all out feeding off their testosterone.
 
2013-04-19 11:44:08 PM

FizixJunkee: bostonowns: i hope they cut his legs off so he can see how it feels to live without legs the rest of his long long life.

And I hope Jeff Bauman, the guy who lost both his legs in the bombing, gets some really cool prosthetic legs that allow him to run faster than he ever could before.


if someone starts a fund for jeff;s new legs, ill donate $10
 
2013-04-19 11:44:17 PM

somedude210: If I may put out a possible theory to motive, I don't think White hat's heart was really in this. This seemed to be all his brother's plan. Look at how they dressed on monday, Black Hat, while suspicious, was almost impossible to get an ID on. White hat? He didn't try to hide himself at all. Friends and schoolmates of White hat all say he was a great kid and I have to say, I saw his twitter feed and russian facebook page and I really didn't see anything outright damning on there. The only thing political I saw was video put out by Syrian rebels saying that the secular Assad was attacking them because of faith. Nothing else he posted was religious in nature.

His brother had motive to do something rash. He wasn't liked in America (or at least had no friends), he couldn't understand Americans, he had dislike for our ways of money, sex and material possessions (his brother however, said his goal was to have a career and money), and he was snubbed a chance to box in the Olympics for the US.

That snubbing probably is what set him off. We've all talked about symbolism of this attack, why someone would hit a marathon of all things. The bombs were placed at the finish line, of an event that takes a great deal of perseverance, strength and endurance to accomplish. It is by no means an easy task. When you cross that finish line, you do something truly noteworthy. So why not destroy those dreams like his dreams were destroyed?

From there, he convinces his little brother (who probably looked up to him) about how the US, their adoptive country of which they held no ill will towards, snubbed this three time golden glove winner's chance for an Olympic gold and to prove his dedication to his country and/or homeland (he had hoped to play for either the US or Chechnya).

Black hat takes them on a chase, and massive gun battle, of which he goes down. Now White Hat is scared and lost. His only motivation for doing this is dead, he has no direction, he's probably injured, covered in t ...


This is a lot of speculation. That being said, it's a lot of reasonable, logical speculation. I agree with a lot of this, but we just don't/can't know what the real deal was. Let the MSM orgy die down, let another crisis pop up, and then when this little farkhead hits the courts we'll get the real facts.
 
2013-04-19 11:44:18 PM
If the bombing had been in Los Angeles, seven of the two suspects would be dead already.
 
2013-04-19 11:44:24 PM

philotech: Doesn't there have to be a political agenda tied to the violence to be "terrorism"?


Stop clouding my worldview
 
2013-04-19 11:44:31 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-19 11:44:38 PM

Biological Ali: al's hat: zabadu: A reporter on CNN keeps pronouncing ambulance as AM Boo Lance.

I had some bad psghetti at the libary onect and hads to go in the amboolance.  It was very fustrating!

What the hell is "onect" supposed to be?


wonst might be a better phonetic representation...regional, colloquial...kind of like cousint or warter.
 
2013-04-19 11:44:38 PM

ha-ha-guy: Well on the police tactics, given that:

1.  The cops apparently did manage to locate all automobiles he could use to escape (the Honda(s)).
2.  They had enough fire power in the area he didn't feel comfortable going for a second car jacking.
3.  They had enough of an impact he felt the need to go ground in the back of a boat despite being injured.
4.  They were close enough to respond to a 911 call and contain him once a third party found him.
5.  They did all this all based on a shooting that occurred last night.
6.  Only 1 dead cop (MIT) and one wounded (Transit), no dead third parties, and they took the guy alive.

This doesn't exactly go down in the annuals of history as a police fail.  Sure we can hindsight their decision the perimeter size, but it did get the job done in the sense of forcing him to ground.


Yeah, but just nodding our heads and saying "Yep, that was handled well" doesn't give the threadshiatting trolls their hard-whored-for attention.
 
2013-04-19 11:44:48 PM

somedude210: If I may put out a possible theory to motive, I don't think White hat's heart was really in this. This seemed to be all his brother's plan. Look at how they dressed on monday, Black Hat, while suspicious, was almost impossible to get an ID on. White hat? He didn't try to hide himself at all. Friends and schoolmates of White hat all say he was a great kid and I have to say, I saw his twitter feed and russian facebook page and I really didn't see anything outright damning on there. The only thing political I saw was video put out by Syrian rebels saying that the secular Assad was attacking them because of faith. Nothing else he posted was religious in nature.

His brother had motive to do something rash. He wasn't liked in America (or at least had no friends), he couldn't understand Americans, he had dislike for our ways of money, sex and material possessions (his brother however, said his goal was to have a career and money), and he was snubbed a chance to box in the Olympics for the US.

That snubbing probably is what set him off. We've all talked about symbolism of this attack, why someone would hit a marathon of all things. The bombs were placed at the finish line, of an event that takes a great deal of perseverance, strength and endurance to accomplish. It is by no means an easy task. When you cross that finish line, you do something truly noteworthy. So why not destroy those dreams like his dreams were destroyed?

From there, he convinces his little brother (who probably looked up to him) about how the US, their adoptive country of which they held no ill will towards, snubbed this three time golden glove winner's chance for an Olympic gold and to prove his dedication to his country and/or homeland (he had hoped to play for either the US or Chechnya).

Black hat takes them on a chase, and massive gun battle, of which he goes down. Now White Hat is scared and lost. His only motivation for doing this is dead, he has no direction, he's probably injured, covered in t ...


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According to recent reports, the older brother was a student who was married to an American woman, and they have a child.  He also drove a Benz, had money to pay rent, take vacations, party and go to bars.  So, to sum up, your theory is being knifed to death by a gang of facts.
 
2013-04-19 11:44:53 PM
Given everything I've read, I don't feel malice towards this guy they just captured.

His brother though... it's a shame they didn't capture him alive, blow his legs off with a bomb and indiscriminately kill his family and friends. Then let him have that for another ~60 years.
 
2013-04-19 11:45:16 PM

studebaker hoch: [pbs.twimg.com image 600x800]

 Now watch 'im jump when I do this...


Since it looks like he's intubating him, that's damn funny
 
2013-04-19 11:45:24 PM

derpy: HaywoodJablonski: When's it safe to resume looking down our noses at Boston again? May?

Penguins game tomorrow.


Cool, because Boston clam chowder is an abomination, and the world needs to know it
 
2013-04-19 11:45:29 PM
static1.businessinsider.com
 
2013-04-19 11:45:33 PM

torquestripe: We need more immigrants to infuse new life blood in our country.


a.abcnews.com
 
2013-04-19 11:45:37 PM
CNN is going on and on about Miranda rights.
How do they know he wasn't read his Miranda rights?
Does any moron actually think that he can be questioned with police impunity as long as they haven't read him his rights yet?

It takes a special kind of stupid to think that, that right doesn't kick in, until they declare it so, by reciting it to you.
 
2013-04-19 11:45:58 PM

somedude210: If you're gonna call yourselves journalists and report the news as fact, then it should be made up of facts, not conjecture, not opinion.


I can't believe you'd cast this stone in the very same post were you posted some "Criminal Minds" fanfic about how The Hat Brothers ended up on the wrong side of the law because one guy didn't have any friends and the other guy idolized the first guy.
 
2013-04-19 11:46:03 PM
Just out of curiosity, when is the next Boston FARK party.
 
2013-04-19 11:46:12 PM

Novart: Interesting take.

I seem to remember there being a shootout last night that ended up not involving the suspect. Was that when the man was wounded?


I assume so.  They was blood on the boat prior to the entire boat stand off starting (the guy going out for a smoke noticed it).  The police have made reference to a "blood trail" and supposedly there was blood in one of the cars the fuzz searched.  Of course he also could have fragged himself when he dropped a homemade IED.
 
2013-04-19 11:46:27 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Noam Chimpsky: Stoj: Turns out no Miranda rights after all.

Thanks Obama!

Where the fark does this "right to remain silent" bullshiat come from in the first place? I ain't finding it in the 5th Amendment or anywhere else in the Constitution.

You have the right to not offer information that may incriminate yourself.  If you have no law-talking guy present, you "plead the 5th" to keep from providing information that you are not required to provide.

Now, whether your rights can be violated without you having knowledge of your rights, and thus their violation, is the question.


Noam Chimpsky is a "birther". Concepts such as "rationality", "reason" and "honesty" are alien to him.
 
2013-04-19 11:46:35 PM
Can somebody go back into Mondays thread and name and shame all the idiots who were wrong about these bombers' races, religions,nationalities, and political affiliations? Then quote them here? Because that'd be fun to see. And help with ignore lists.
 
2013-04-19 11:46:37 PM
Let's meme this shiat.

imageshack.us
 
2013-04-19 11:47:17 PM

TwistedFark: Unfortunately we have a lot of people in this thread that don't understand anything other than what they see on Law and Order or CSI. A lot of unrealistic expectations all around... its kind of shocking.



Enhance
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2013-04-19 11:47:40 PM
It all makes me think of the Denzel Washington - Bruce Willis movie ... "Under Siege" was the title, wasn't it?
 
2013-04-19 11:47:42 PM

bluorangefyre: Charlie Savage  @charlie_savage
In statement, Lindsey Graham & John McCain call for suspect to be held as enemy combatant w/out Miranda warnings or appointment of counsel.

Last I checked, Dubya wasn't in charge anymore.


This.
 
2013-04-19 11:47:52 PM
Any law on how loud you have to say the miranda rights?
 
2013-04-19 11:47:54 PM

ha-ha-guy: Well on the police tactics, given that:

1.  The cops apparently did manage to locate all automobiles he could use to escape (the Honda(s)).
2.  They had enough fire power in the area he didn't feel comfortable going for a second car jacking.
3.  They had enough of an impact he felt the need to go ground in the back of a boat despite being injured.
4.  They were close enough to respond to a 911 call and contain him once a third party found him.
5.  They did all this all based on a shooting that occurred last night.
6.  Only 1 dead cop (MIT) and one wounded (Transit), no dead third parties, and they took the guy alive.

This doesn't exactly go down in the annuals of history as a police fail.  Sure we can hindsight their decision the perimeter size, but it did get the job done in the sense of forcing him to ground.


You can go a few ways on this.

On one hand... you could say that had they not had the strict lockdown, if we believe the kid had been in the boat since the middle of the night.. that guy might have noticed something early this morning instead of 4pm.

On the other hand, it was only because the kid got injured in the firefight that he probably even seeked the boat.  If he wasn't very injured, I think he just tries to sneak out of town somehow.  Or, he is more aware and pops the boat owner when he peeks in, and finds a new hiding spot.  Police had no idea how injured he was.
 
2013-04-19 11:48:07 PM

Yes please: TwistedFark: Unfortunately we have a lot of people in this thread that don't understand anything other than what they see on Law and Order or CSI. A lot of unrealistic expectations all around... its kind of shocking.


Enhance
Enhance

Enhance
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Now rotate!
 
2013-04-19 11:48:10 PM

edmo: Some of you have a decision to make. You can continue to deny right wing conservative wackos did this or you can blame Islamic inspired terrorists. You can't do both.

/Congrats to Obama on yet another terrorist take down.


Actually, both sides of the Internet polity won this one.  The suspects claimed to be Muslims, so the Right wins.  The suspects were Caucasian rightwingers, so the Left wins.
 
2013-04-19 11:48:14 PM

zabadu: License plate blocked by your name. What does it say?


LOLWUT?  It's a link to a pic in white hat's twitter feed.  The BMW on the left has a plate that says "Terrorist #1"
 
2013-04-19 11:48:18 PM

Pumpernickel bread: As a I said upthread a bit, Jeffrey Dahmer didn't die of old age in prison with his life sentence.

You cited the one example of a mass murderer that actually got it in prison.  Kaczinski, Manson, Kuklinski, et al all seem to be doing just fine behind bars.



Dahmer was killed because he refused solitary confinement.  It's pretty hard to be killed in prison when you never interact with other prisoners.
 
2013-04-19 11:48:22 PM

poot_rootbeer: somedude210: If you're gonna call yourselves journalists and report the news as fact, then it should be made up of facts, not conjecture, not opinion.

I can't believe you'd cast this stone in the very same post were you posted some "Criminal Minds" fanfic about how The Hat Brothers ended up on the wrong side of the law because one guy didn't have any friends and the other guy idolized the first guy.


The Criminal Minds show does like to portray it's criminal pairs in a dominant/submissive personality profile.
 
2013-04-19 11:48:44 PM

worlddan: Gyrfalcon: Maybe you should join up with another Farker on this thread and start running police operations. From what I can tell, you seem to know exactly how to catch someone at night in a live-fire situation and track a wounded suspect through an urban environment, without interrupting anyone's daily routine. Why not go tell everyone else what they've been doing wrong all these years?

There is no need too. Proper police tactics are nothing new or special. The truth is that these decisions were not driven by a tactical decision making process but by the politicians to whom the police report. The whole response shrieks of one imperative: NO MISTAKES.  Well, this is what happens when you feel the eyes of the world upon you and you do not dare to make a mistake.


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Then you better get out there and tell them how not to make any mistakes. Because clearly you feel all they did was make mistakes, whereas you must have a clear vision in your mind of how to do it and never make any.

Myself, I was watching last night and saw no decisions that were not tactically driven or which did not stem from the immediacy of the moment. Perhaps you can clarify where at any time the police stopped to confer with their political masters. And then you should notify everyone else, because compared to the clusterf*ck of, say, the L.A. riots, this was a masterpiece of police coordination, control, and minimal mistakes.
 
2013-04-19 11:48:47 PM

Yes please: TwistedFark: Unfortunately we have a lot of people in this thread that don't understand anything other than what they see on Law and Order or CSI. A lot of unrealistic expectations all around... its kind of shocking.


Enhance
Enhance

Enhance
Enhance
Enhance
Enhance
Enhance
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4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-04-19 11:49:06 PM

TommyymmoT: CNN is going on and on about Miranda rights.
How do they know he wasn't read his Miranda rights?
Does any moron actually think that he can be questioned with police impunity as long as they haven't read him his rights yet?

It takes a special kind of stupid to think that, that right doesn't kick in, until they declare it so, by reciting it to you.


Yeah, I'm not following the discussion they're having.  You have Miranda rights regardless of whether they read them to you or not.  They read them for their own protection (so the accused cant claim he/she didn't know about his/her rights).  They basically said that in the discussion -- that he could refuse to answer anything and they couldn't do anything about it.
 
2013-04-19 11:49:11 PM
"Fissile: According to recent reports, the older brother was a student who was married to an American woman, and they have a child. He also drove a Benz, had money to pay rent, take vacations, party and go to bars. So, to sum up, your theory is being knifed to death by a gang of facts. "

Those with strong religious convictions are never hypocrites. Ever.

/Oh, wait....
 
2013-04-19 11:49:15 PM

shower_in_my_socks: Let's meme this shiat.

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Really? You went with Keanu over Heineken guy? Shame on you.
 
2013-04-19 11:49:43 PM
Let's all rejoice: His backwards hat wearing days are over.
 
2013-04-19 11:49:44 PM

muck4doo: Any law on how loud you have to say the miranda rights?


They must be loud enough to be  heard over the background maracas.
 
2013-04-19 11:50:20 PM

YoungSwedishBlonde: SamWaters: I'm not happy. I'm blown away. I thought the terrorist was a right wing Christian white man from Texas.  I'm just a sorry ass mess with a bum electric leg. Time for another scotch and soda.

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BAWWWW someone speculated that an attack on April 15th might have something to do with right-wing terrorists. Better call in the WAHHHHbulance.


Except that they are right wing terrorists
 
2013-04-19 11:50:25 PM

mikaloyd: Can somebody go back into Mondays thread and name and shame all the idiots who were wrong about these bombers' races, religions,nationalities, and political affiliations? Then quote them here? Because that'd be fun to see. And help with ignore lists.


Do the ones who happen to guess right (or will rationalize that they did) get a pass? If so, not interested.

/Didn't make any predictions.
//Feeling a tad smug about it.
 
2013-04-19 11:50:28 PM

DamnYankees: To repeat,  Obama saying terrorists failed because Boston refused to be intimidated and we refused to be terrorized.

Give me a farking break. We cowered, just like we do at the mere thought of all terrorism. 2 kids set of a couple bombs and we competely shut down a major city, divert the national attention, deploy insane amounts of resources and top it all off by not Mirandizing the guy.

I'm honestly sickened right now and the 'celebrating' all this crap.

I wish I had more confidence, but we're knowingly letting innocent people starve to death in Gitmo and we not only don't help them, but a majority of AMericans probably are happy to see them die even though the US government has officially proclaimed them innocent.

Label someone a terrorist in this country and I have zero confidence in our rule of law.


I'M SORRY RICHARD PARKER
 
2013-04-19 11:50:44 PM
This whole thing has sucked.  I'm really looking forward to going to downtown Boston tomorrow and not worrying about anything for a while.  It's going to be 420 all day, and I think our city needs to let off some steam.
 
2013-04-19 11:50:55 PM

Fubini: Given everything I've read, I don't feel malice towards this guy they just captured.



You don't feel malice towards a guy who puts a bomb directly in back of a kid and kills him and blows the legs off of his sister
and kills a cop, gets into a fire fight with police?

WTF does someone have to do for you to feel malice towards them?
 
2013-04-19 11:50:56 PM

Stone Meadow: What's keeping the FBI up at night now is the realization dawning on them of all the Somali, Arab, SW Asian, and South Asian Muslims who are following similar pathways on the interwebs. The US should have deported the elder brother when they could have (after his domestic violence conviction), and you can bet any brushes with the law by young male Muslims will now be handled differently to recent history.


If they're citizens there's not much they can do - after all, plenty of US-born people also get radicalized by the interwebs.

But perhaps if people didn't end up having these identity crises, some of it can be avoided.

Though immigrating at 16 is probably a really shiatty age.  The younger kids have enough school left that they are forced to adapt, have sufficient TIME to adapt, and end up "1.5 gen." Older immigrants are fully "1st gen" with a firm identity, I'm from country X and now living in country Y as an expat, hooked into normal expat circles.

But this guy, he came to the US at 16 but after having spent time in a bunch of places, not enough school left to get socialized American after arrival, not enough record in any specific one country previous to be firm in "I'm a guy from XXX now coming in as a foreign student" or whatever either, feeling "hey I'm ethnically X!!! Hey!!!" (i.e. Chechen)  but hasn't lived in Chechnya during any kind of conscious age enough for actual Chechens to actually view him as a local "real" Chechen guy either no doubt, so... identity issues.

So maybe he thinks, well, to be a true Chechen patriot, I need to do X Y and Z, and it's all about the Chechen conflict (and they lived in Dagestan too where that stuff is very much alive) so he decides, hey, I'll support you from here, look! See!

...though still I'd love to know just how he thinks bombing in BOSTON of all places is gonna do anything for Chechnya issues, but I suppose he could have rationalized it out to "well, I can do a more general jihad thing."

All this though, I'd love to hear the younger brother take on it. He probably knows something about the older brother thought process.
 
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