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2013-04-19 11:34:28 PM

GAT_00: An entire city's police force failed to find a guy hiding in a boat 5 miles away from where they lost him the first time, and that's after taking away the rights of the entire city of Boston.  It's amazing how badly this was handled.


Hi. Bostonite here. Used to live in Watertown. Dunno if you saw the footage, but all my former neighbors were applauding the police after cooperating with them all day. No one felt put-out. And they caught them. SO either you're engaging in sarcasm and I missed it while posting in haste, or you're a dummy. And that's being generous. So kindly shut the fark up.
 
2013-04-19 11:34:38 PM
When's it safe to resume looking down our noses at Boston again? May?
 
2013-04-19 11:34:56 PM

vabeard: GAT_00: theknuckler_33: I can NOT believe you are forcing me to agree with goofysavior. Dude... This was handled just about as well as could have possibly been expected. Seriously, what exactly was badly handled?

First, a random person was held on the ground for 15 minutes, allowing this guy to escape in the first place because they let their net collapse.  Then, after running in circles all night, they lost him, so they decided to more or less declare martial law in Boston.  Then, they proceeded to execute warrantless searches of Watertown, which completely failed to find the guy that was 5 miles away from where he was lost and hiding in a boat the entire time, and was found by said boat's owner.  Not one single thing the police did from the time he went to ground until the time he was found by the boat's owner was worth anything.

The only positive in all of this is the BPD didn't kill any random people.

They wanted him contained to the area.  Looks to me they were successful.


He was not found inside the police perimeter.
 
2013-04-19 11:35:00 PM

philotech: Kittypie070: VAW-116 Hawkeye Squadron's video of Outkast's Hey Ya

DJ Kittypie here with....a party tune from the recent past, going out this evening to the Boston Police Department, the citizens of the city of Boston, the great state of Massachusets, the runners of the Boston Marathon, the FBI, and lastly, in the final position of honour, to the students, staff and police force of the Massachusets Institute of Technology. Y'all know who I'm talkin' about.

Let the grieving find strength in knowing that joy will return in its proper time.

Let the joyous celebrate mightily.

Let the fools wonder WTF is going on....and....

Let the light of justice ennoble the land.

Somehow I don't think  joy will ever return to the family of the 8 year old that was killed... If he is found guilty, he should be sent out for a lifetime torture sentence in gitmo...


I did not forget the young laddie, nor did I forget his family. Some pains and losses never truly fade, but just as humans are fragile they can also be resilient.

That is my hope for the grieving, that they might heal, but I make demands of no one.

And no, not Gitmo. Not this time.
 
2013-04-19 11:35:03 PM

walkerhound: There was a photo on reddit of one of his friends being arrested, this guy getting out of the BMW, who is a friend of his (this is from white hat's twitter feed) with a license plate that says...well, I'll let you read it: http://twitter.com/J_tsar/status/312771198385790976/photo/1


I will bet a sizable sum of money that if I call our OnStar Center, they will confirm that the FBI asked them for a data dump on a certain black Camaro today.
 
2013-04-19 11:35:04 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Noam Chimpsky: Stoj: Turns out no Miranda rights after all.

Thanks Obama!

Where the fark does this "right to remain silent" bullshiat come from in the first place? I ain't finding it in the 5th Amendment or anywhere else in the Constitution.

You have the right to not offer information that may incriminate yourself.  If you have no law-talking guy present, you "plead the 5th" to keep from providing information that you are not required to provide.

Now, whether your rights can be violated without you having knowledge of your rights, and thus their violation, is the question.


The Constitution doesn't even say you have the right to not offer information that may incriminate yourself but even if you want to claim it does, it sure as hell doesn't give you the right to remain silent.
 
2013-04-19 11:35:08 PM

Skyrmion: FLMountainMan: Pervez Musharraff was arrested in Pakistan.

Woah, I missed that one. That's kind of a big deal.


That and they passed CISPA.

I've read that it will get veto'ed though so we'll see.
 
2013-04-19 11:35:21 PM

studebaker hoch: [pbs.twimg.com image 600x800]

 Now watch 'im jump when I do this...


LOL!
 
2013-04-19 11:35:22 PM

Phins: Anybody else think that the conspiracy types will use the fact that he was taken alive as proof of the conspiracy? I imagine something along the lines of "he couldn't REALLY have eluded the police for that long, they were in on it, they let him stay out there to make the whole thing look real and then got the signal it was okay to capture him and then magically knew where he was. Isn't it awfully convenient that the owner of the boat just happened to step out into his own back yard?

But if he had been killed, I'm sure it would be "well, they had to kill him, they couldn't take the chance of him talking and revealing the conspiracy, the poor patsy had to die."

It what I hate about them. Every single thing is a conspiracy and and every single thing is evidence of the conspiracy.


That's just what they  want you to think.
 
2013-04-19 11:35:39 PM

itazurakko: I mean, older brother apparently wanted to box for Chechnya


But only if they were a free state. Important distinction here.
 
2013-04-19 11:35:43 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: So, you're saying these kids are patsies for the NRA who blew up the marathon to distract from the gun regulation vote?
Plausible.


Now THAT's a bold script :D
 
2013-04-19 11:36:37 PM

LordOfThePings: Here's to no more noise and other disturbances.

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D'oh, that's after Josh left.
 
2013-04-19 11:36:52 PM
If I had donated blood in the Boston area this past week, I'd be pissed as shiat if it went towards treating this a**hole.

Ugh.
 
2013-04-19 11:36:55 PM

Mrtraveler01: I didn't even know the Marathon was going on until the bombing. So I would've been surprised if it was covered at all if this didn't happen.

It's just something we don't pay attention to much here in the Midwest outside of finding out which Kenyan won it.


In my particular part of the Midwest the wheelchair races get more coverage because usually there's local athletes in that part... but yeah.
 
2013-04-19 11:36:56 PM
Gyrfalcon: Maybe you should join up with another Farker on this thread and start running police operations. From what I can tell, you seem to know exactly how to catch someone at night in a live-fire situation and track a wounded suspect through an urban environment, without interrupting anyone's daily routine. Why not go tell everyone else what they've been doing wrong all these years?

There is no need too. Proper police tactics are nothing new or special. The truth is that these decisions were not driven by a tactical decision making process but by the politicians to whom the police report. The whole response shrieks of one imperative: NO MISTAKES.  Well, this is what happens when you feel the eyes of the world upon you and you do not dare to make a mistake.


i2.cdn.turner.com
 
2013-04-19 11:37:22 PM
I must say, I'm a little bummed that's this guys reward for this is a lifetime of free food, clothing, shelter, and medical care at our expense.   He hates America and he really got over on us.
 
2013-04-19 11:37:27 PM

walkerhound: AkaranD: http://www.abc6.com/story/22028344/report-3-arrested-in-new-bedford-i n -connection-to-bombing-suspect 

Anyone able to confirm this?

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Dee DeQuattro
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Neighbors say three have been arrested in New Bedford in connection with the Boston Bombing suspect.

There was a photo on reddit of one of his friends being arrested, this guy getting out of the BMW, who is a friend of his (this is from white hat's twitter feed) with a license plate that says...well, I'll let you read it: http://twitter.com/J_tsar/status/312771198385790976/photo/1


License plate blocked by your name. What does it say?
 
2013-04-19 11:37:39 PM

HaywoodJablonski: When's it safe to resume looking down our noses at Boston again? May?


October
 
2013-04-19 11:37:42 PM

skinink: One of my heroes for today:


This
 
2013-04-19 11:37:45 PM

bostonowns: i hope they cut his legs off so he can see how it feels to live without legs the rest of his long long life.


And I hope Jeff Bauman, the guy who lost both his legs in the bombing, gets some really cool prosthetic legs that allow him to run faster than he ever could before.
 
2013-04-19 11:38:12 PM

DamnYankees: To repeat,  Obama saying terrorists failed because Boston refused to be intimidated and we refused to be terrorized.

Give me a farking break. We cowered, just like we do at the mere thought of all terrorism. 2 kids set of a couple bombs and we competely shut down a major city, divert the national attention, deploy insane amounts of resources and top it all off by not Mirandizing the guy.

I'm honestly sickened right now and the 'celebrating' all this crap.

I wish I had more confidence, but we're knowingly letting innocent people starve to death in Gitmo and we not only don't help them, but a majority of AMericans probably are happy to see them die even though the US government has officially proclaimed them innocent.

Label someone a terrorist in this country and I have zero confidence in our rule of law.


3/10

Also, what's going on at Gitmo is a hunger strike.  It's unfair to both the jailers and the jailed to state that the prisoners are not being offered food.
 
2013-04-19 11:38:26 PM

DamnYankees: To repeat,  Obama saying terrorists failed because Boston refused to be intimidated and we refused to be terrorized.

Give me a farking break. We cowered, just like we do at the mere thought of all terrorism. 2 kids set of a couple bombs and we competely shut down a major city, divert the national attention, deploy insane amounts of resources and top it all off by not Mirandizing the guy.

I'm honestly sickened right now and the 'celebrating' all this crap.

I wish I had more confidence, but we're knowingly letting innocent people starve to death in Gitmo and we not only don't help them, but a majority of AMericans probably are happy to see them die even though the US government has officially proclaimed them innocent.

Label someone a terrorist in this country and I have zero confidence in our rule of law.


You're forgetting the part about how this is simply a method to indoctrinate the masses to benign government control...
 
2013-04-19 11:38:30 PM
GObama!
 
2013-04-19 11:38:40 PM

roadkillontheweb: In 9 months Boston is going to have a baby boom from all the people that stayed home from work today and got tired of the constant coverage of the bombers and decided to do something else for a while. And of course all of the after partying!


Dear God, not another wave of baby boomers. They have farked this country royally.
We need more immigrants to infuse new life blood in our country.
Baby boomers, geez.
 
2013-04-19 11:38:44 PM

Pumpernickel bread: I must say, I'm a little bummed that's this guys reward for this is a lifetime of free food, clothing, shelter, and medical care at our expense.   He hates America and he really got over on us.


It's not really all that great. Trust me.
 
2013-04-19 11:38:46 PM

itazurakko: Stone Meadow: Actually, now it turns out that the FBI watched the elder brother for years (Source) as he slowly radicalized himself into a jihadist. Visiting Russia (and likely Chechens there); hanging on forums with them, and spending hours on Skype with them.

Not surprised... he doesn't fit in here, he has the language etc to have more life on the Russian internet, goes there, finds forums of interest, gets radicalized... then pulls in l'il bro.

All possible to happen right from the US living room, without needing either of them to be actual parts of any bigger organization.  They can just DIY in solidarity.

Probably the vast majority of similar people never do anything, but... what can I say, identity issues can be a biatch.


What's keeping the FBI up at night now is the realization dawning on them of all the Somali, Arab, SW Asian, and South Asian Muslims who are following similar pathways on the interwebs. The US should have deported the elder brother when they could have (after his domestic violence conviction), and you can bet any brushes with the law by young male Muslims will now be handled differently to recent history.
 
2013-04-19 11:38:47 PM

zabadu: walkerhound: AkaranD: http://www.abc6.com/story/22028344/report-3-arrested-in-new-bedford-i n -connection-to-bombing-suspect 

Anyone able to confirm this?

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Dee DeQuattro
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Neighbors say three have been arrested in New Bedford in connection with the Boston Bombing suspect.

There was a photo on reddit of one of his friends being arrested, this guy getting out of the BMW, who is a friend of his (this is from white hat's twitter feed) with a license plate that says...well, I'll let you read it: http://twitter.com/J_tsar/status/312771198385790976/photo/1

License plate blocked by your name. What does it say?


Is that the one with "Terrorists#1" ?
 
2013-04-19 11:38:51 PM
So it turns out it was an Occupy Wall Street guy after all. Just like the Fark Independents said it was.
 
2013-04-19 11:39:03 PM

Skyrmion: FLMountainMan: Pervez Musharraff was arrested in Pakistan.

Woah, I missed that one. That's kind of a big deal.


Plus, one of the funniest stories of the year happened: Argentine football team Huracan was beaten and robbed by angry fans in their changing room.

We've really outdone ourselves this week, world.
 
2013-04-19 11:39:30 PM
I've been calling them boris and natasha. Because the younger one will be someone's natasha soon, if not already.
 
2013-04-19 11:39:46 PM

somedude210: That said, fark you ABC for the crap you were saying about his russian facebook account. NPR looked at the same thing and found nothing at all conclusive that showed motive, be it politics or religion. You? You took the same exact page, declared that there was all this shiat about politics and religion and how he's been on islamic fundamentalist sites and everything and the only example you provide that he went there or showed interest in anything remotely related was the goddamn video by Syrian rebels. That's it.


Yeah, I turned on ABC for a sec and they showed a comment that one of them (I think it was the 19 year old) on Twitter mentioned something about a 9/11 party and completely ignoring the hashtag #thingstoneveryellinaroom or something along those lines

ABC didn't realize it was supposed to be a joke.

I had to change the channel after that idiocy.
 
2013-04-19 11:39:49 PM
I'm just glad for the sake of Boston,he is off the streets. I will relax and let the courts do their job. He just traded an easy life for a very long hard life behind bars.
 
2013-04-19 11:39:55 PM

Pumpernickel bread: I must say, I'm a little bummed that's this guys reward for this is a lifetime of free food, clothing, shelter, and medical care at our expense.   He hates America and he really got over on us.


But the Republicans tell me that Obamacare and Obamabucks and Obamaphones and Welbamafare gets you all that!
 
2013-04-19 11:39:59 PM

Pumpernickel bread: I must say, I'm a little bummed that's this guys reward for this is a lifetime of free food, clothing, shelter, and medical care at our expense.   He hates America and he really got over on us.


I'm sure you could easily get the same deal with a lot less effort.
 
2013-04-19 11:40:00 PM

BafflerMeal: vabeard: GAT_00: theknuckler_33: I can NOT believe you are forcing me to agree with goofysavior. Dude... This was handled just about as well as could have possibly been expected. Seriously, what exactly was badly handled?

First, a random person was held on the ground for 15 minutes, allowing this guy to escape in the first place because they let their net collapse.  Then, after running in circles all night, they lost him, so they decided to more or less declare martial law in Boston.  Then, they proceeded to execute warrantless searches of Watertown, which completely failed to find the guy that was 5 miles away from where he was lost and hiding in a boat the entire time, and was found by said boat's owner.  Not one single thing the police did from the time he went to ground until the time he was found by the boat's owner was worth anything.

The only positive in all of this is the BPD didn't kill any random people.

They wanted him contained to the area.  Looks to me they were successful.

He was not found inside the police perimeter.


My apologies, then.  They certainly slowed his movements.
 
2013-04-19 11:40:11 PM

cybrwzrd: al's hat: Fissile: al's hat: BullBearMS: that bosnian sniper: DamnYankees: To repeat...

...as I was just mentioning when the last thread got kiboshed, considering the media's batting average this week I'm hardly surprised they'd cite it as they did. And, if it's the AG's spouting that crap, I'm genuinely disappointed -- but hardly surprised -- in them they'd continue this Bush-era bullshiat.

The kid is a naturalized citizen. He has rights, deserves his day in court and so does Boston and the rest of the country. We're not frickin' Syria.

After the Madrid bombings in Spain, they caught the criminals gave them an open trial in a real court of law and found them guilty.

After the London bombings, they caught the criminals, gave them a public trial in a real court of law and found them guilty.

After the Mumbai bombings in India, they caught the criminals, gave them a public trial in a real court of law and found them guilty.

How about we not be a bunch of pussies this time, America?

So are you suggesting a stoning in front of the Old State House?

-----------------

I suggesting we turn him over to Putin's goons.  I'd pay to see the look on his face as he's dragged on to the Aeroflot plane.  Bye-bye, and don't forget to write.

Considering the number of American citizens' lives he has affected there are probably a whole bunch of folks who would like to see him face justice here in the good ol' US of A.  I'm glad they got him alive and I hope he spills his guts about who, what, where, why, and when before he gets convicted and sentenced.  If a federal jury sentences him to death and he sits on death row in solitary confinement with no privileges for 20+ years before his appeals are exhausted, so much the better.

Let him lose in federal PMTIA prison for a year or two first, on a deal with the inmates that no one who makes him his biatch kills him.


As a I said upthread a bit, Jeffrey Dahmer didn't die of old age in prison with his life sentence.
 
2013-04-19 11:40:25 PM
I haven't slept in over 24 hours...I'm running on fumes...
 
2013-04-19 11:40:35 PM
I'm glad it's over.  But there's nothing to celebrate.  Mourn the dead, yes.
 
2013-04-19 11:40:56 PM

HaywoodJablonski: When's it safe to resume looking down our noses at Boston again? May?


Penguins game tomorrow.
 
2013-04-19 11:41:08 PM

Stone Meadow: Gyrfalcon: Stone Meadow said in the last thread, "This is the new face of radical Islam...pretend to be well-integrated citizens while you plot to blow up shiat."  I dunno about anyone else, but I thought plotting to blow up shiat was an ingrained part of American culture since time immemorial, so that alone would tend to demonstrate you've integrated well.  (tl;dr: are you a radical Islamist, a redneck, or a patriot? hard to tell)

They may have "integrated well"--but not too wisely. Usually it's better, if you're a radical extremist, to make people aware of your cause FIRST, and THEN blow something up. It's generally counterproductive to blow something up first and only then discover that nobody in your target area has the first clue about "Chechnya? Where the f*ck is Chechnya? Is that part of China?"

Actually, now it turns out that the FBI watched the elder brother for years (Source) as he slowly radicalized himself into a jihadist. Visiting Russia (and likely Chechens there); hanging on forums with them, and spending hours on Skype with them. He was a bomber looking for a place to happen. Because of this event I wouldn't want to be any of the many young disaffected Muslims in America on the FBI's close-watch list. Those guys will no longer get the benefit of the doubt...they'll be getting one-way airline tickets 'home'.


My boss had an interesting take on this. He wondered this morning if the younger brother (the one who's alive) might have WANTED to get caught. Walking around in the open on Monday, with his hat on backward--he had to know everyone would have a good view of him, and his picture was being taken from every possible angle. It could have been an unconscious desire to get caught.
 
2013-04-19 11:41:08 PM
Well on the police tactics, given that:

1.  The cops apparently did manage to locate all automobiles he could use to escape (the Honda(s)).
2.  They had enough fire power in the area he didn't feel comfortable going for a second car jacking.
3.  They had enough of an impact he felt the need to go ground in the back of a boat despite being injured.
4.  They were close enough to respond to a 911 call and contain him once a third party found him.
5.  They did all this all based on a shooting that occurred last night.
6.  Only 1 dead cop (MIT) and one wounded (Transit), no dead third parties, and they took the guy alive.

This doesn't exactly go down in the annuals of history as a police fail.  Sure we can hindsight their decision the perimeter size, but it did get the job done in the sense of forcing him to ground.
 
2013-04-19 11:41:20 PM

al's hat: zabadu: A reporter on CNN keeps pronouncing ambulance as AM Boo Lance.

I had some bad psghetti at the libary onect and hads to go in the amboolance.  It was very fustrating!


What the hell is "onect" supposed to be?
 
2013-04-19 11:41:39 PM

Mrtraveler01: TommyymmoT: DeathByGeekSquad: Now we can move on to the Mike Mulugeta lawsuits.  These should be fun, I hope he destroys a few careers.

We can only hope.

So what happened with that?

Before I went to bed, we thought he and the missing kid from Brown did this.


Dunno, but I have a feeling that the missing kid from Brown killed himself. He was said to be quite depressed.
 
2013-04-19 11:41:57 PM

Ablejack: GObama!


Except that this seemed to have been local-led.
 
2013-04-19 11:41:59 PM

El_Perro: GAT_00: Gyrfalcon: Long answer: Yes, because Miranda is only to ADVISE you of your rights. Your rights are guaranteed in the constitution. The Miranda warning is only given because (based on the case) some people are unaware of their rights, or not aware they have them, or not given the option to exercise them--but you always have them, because the 5th and 6th Amendment are always in play. If this kid wakes up from surgery and they start talking to him and he says "STFU, go away, I want a lawyer," then even if they haven't read his rights, they have to STFU and go away. They don't get to say "Ha ha! You don't have any rights yet because we didn't read them to you!"

I like how you went to "you have rights, and Miranda is there to make sure you know them" to "that's why nobody has to tell you your rights with Miranda!"

Miranda is about interrogation, not just arrest.  The point of Miranda is that "you have rights concerning custodial interrogation, and Miranda is there to make sure you know them."  So, it is entirely reasonable to wait to administer Miranda warnings until the guy is going to be interrogated.  Here, it seems like the first priority is to get the guy treated and stabilized - once that happens, then the guy will be interrogated, and before he is, he will be "Mirandized."


Unfortunately we have a lot of people in this thread that don't understand anything other than what they see on Law and Order or CSI. A lot of unrealistic expectations all around... its kind of shocking.

What you said is essentially correct. You only need to Miranda someone for information you want to take to trial. You can ask a suspect ANY question you want before you Miranda them, but the conversation isn't admissible at trial. If you want to interrogate for trial - then you Miranda them.

It's that simple. I'm sort of stunned that there is like 50 posts in this thread discussing this.
 
2013-04-19 11:42:18 PM

somedude210: Fark you ABC and Fark you Diane Sawyer.


I'm really curious about this and missed ABC's coverage -- is there video of them "analyzing" the guy's social media site?

Your theory about the older brother's motives is REALLY interesting.
 
2013-04-19 11:42:30 PM
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2013-04-19 11:42:40 PM
Doesn't there have to be a political agenda tied to the violence to be "terrorism"?
 
2013-04-19 11:43:11 PM

BullBearMS: a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7708885/83735826#c83735826" target="_blank">andychrist420: BullBearMS: skullkrusher: his farkhead - HOLY CRAP IT'S GONNA BE DIFF... nah, it'll be a real court of law trial

Just like all those people in Gitmo and our much larger political prison in Afghanistan got?

Who are all these American citizens who committed crimes on American soil that in in Gitmo and Afghanistan?  Go away troll.

Lawyers for the Obama administration are arguing that the United States will be irreparably harmed if it has to abide by a judge's ruling that it can no longer hold terrorism suspects indefinitely without trial in military custody.


He's not in military custody.  He's in the custody of probably the FBI, because he's an American citizen who committed a crime on American soil.  It doesn't matter if it's classified as a terrorist attack, it's a domestic crime.  Your argument is invalid.
 
2013-04-19 11:43:15 PM

ha-ha-guy: Well on the police tactics, given that:

1.  The cops apparently did manage to locate all automobiles he could use to escape (the Honda(s)).
2.  They had enough fire power in the area he didn't feel comfortable going for a second car jacking.
3.  They had enough of an impact he felt the need to go ground in the back of a boat despite being injured.
4.  They were close enough to respond to a 911 call and contain him once a third party found him.
5.  They did all this all based on a shooting that occurred last night.
6.  Only 1 dead cop (MIT) and one wounded (Transit), no dead third parties, and they took the guy alive.

This doesn't exactly go down in the annuals of history as a police fail.  Sure we can hindsight their decision the perimeter size, but it did get the job done in the sense of forcing him to ground.


Interesting take.

I seem to remember there being a shootout last night that ended up not involving the suspect. Was that when the man was wounded?
 
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