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2013-04-19 10:49:56 PM

CygnusDarius: Everything else is furious masturbation.


You say that like it's a bad thing.
 
2013-04-19 10:49:59 PM

chuggernaught: Revek: Crap they took him  alive.

Dead men tell no tales.  Need this one to talk.


Headphones, duct tape, and a Yoko One CD.  He'll talk until you run out of recording media.
 
2013-04-19 10:50:02 PM

irishman4: liberals piss me off.


Thankfully no one here gives a damn.
 
2013-04-19 10:50:06 PM

Fubar: Best songs about American greatness...

1) Born in the USA
2) Fortunate Son
3) America, fark Yeah


Don't forget "Little Pink Houses". That's a good one.
 
2013-04-19 10:50:09 PM

lanabanabutt: Who the fark cares about all this political BS.  I am just happy that me and my 3 small kids can play outside again.  I am happy I have effing FEET to walk on.  I am happy my babies are alive and have all their limbs.  I am happy I can open my windows instead of suffocating on this hot day.  Worry about the politics, Obama this, tax dollars that tomorrow.  Just celebrate being alive and sleeping peaceful tonight.  With all your limbs and family members.


You said limbs twice.
 
2013-04-19 10:50:11 PM

BullBearMS: that bosnian sniper: DamnYankees: To repeat...

...as I was just mentioning when the last thread got kiboshed, considering the media's batting average this week I'm hardly surprised they'd cite it as they did. And, if it's the AG's spouting that crap, I'm genuinely disappointed -- but hardly surprised -- in them they'd continue this Bush-era bullshiat.

The kid is a naturalized citizen. He has rights, deserves his day in court and so does Boston and the rest of the country. We're not frickin' Syria.

After the Madrid bombings in Spain, they caught the criminals gave them an open trial in a real court of law and found them guilty.

After the London bombings, they caught the criminals, gave them a public trial in a real court of law and found them guilty.

After the Mumbai bombings in India, they caught the criminals, gave them a public trial in a real court of law and found them guilty.

How about we not be a bunch of pussies this time, America?


there's no indication we won't.

McVeigh - real court of law trial
Beltway sniper - real court of law trial
Underwear bomber - real court of law trial
Richard Reid - real court of law trial
This farkhead - HOLY CRAP IT'S GONNA BE DIFF... nah, it'll be a real court of law trial
 
2013-04-19 10:50:21 PM
I'm really gonna be surprised if he makes it to trial.
 
2013-04-19 10:50:23 PM

BullBearMS: that bosnian sniper: DamnYankees: To repeat...

...as I was just mentioning when the last thread got kiboshed, considering the media's batting average this week I'm hardly surprised they'd cite it as they did. And, if it's the AG's spouting that crap, I'm genuinely disappointed -- but hardly surprised -- in them they'd continue this Bush-era bullshiat.

The kid is a naturalized citizen. He has rights, deserves his day in court and so does Boston and the rest of the country. We're not frickin' Syria.

After the Madrid bombings in Spain, they caught the criminals gave them an open trial in a real court of law and found them guilty.

After the London bombings, they caught the criminals, gave them a public trial in a real court of law and found them guilty.

After the Mumbai bombings in India, they caught the criminals, gave them a public trial in a real court of law and found them guilty.

How about we not be a bunch of pussies this time, America?


So are you suggesting a stoning in front of the Old State House?
 
2013-04-19 10:50:50 PM

Jabberwookiee: ModernPrimitive01: just tuned back in after 6 or so hours. So they got him, what do I need to know?

The raccoon is in hospital receiving medical attention. No reports of further shenanigans.


Thank God.  Won't someone think of the doors?
 
2013-04-19 10:51:11 PM
Hopefully we can go to war with Russia and procure all the vodka we can drink.

/I'm prolly too late to make that joke
 
2013-04-19 10:51:29 PM
I just noticed in the other thread that some people seem to think the arrestee could "walk" (whatever that is supposed to mean, is this lingo from dragnet reruns?) as a result of not hearing spoken miranda rights.

This made me laugh out loud, and I thought I would clear it up.  At worst it might mean that something the arrestee says during the moment of arrest could not be presented to a jury as evidence, if the defense objects. (All the other mountains of evidence, like video of you dropping bombs and killing lots of people and shooting cops still counts, lol. :-)   But cops can still talk, question, and listen to what the arrestee says without reciting miranda rights.  There is nothing illegal about it.

It absolutely definitely does NOT mean that society suddenly forgives you for killing women, children and cops, because of an oppsie, lol.  That part you sort of, well, still have to go to trial for. :)
 
2013-04-19 10:51:32 PM

Jabberwookiee: lanabanabutt: Who the fark cares about all this political BS.  I am just happy that me and my 3 small kids can play outside again.  I am happy I have effing FEET to walk on.  I am happy my babies are alive and have all their limbs.  I am happy I can open my windows instead of suffocating on this hot day.  Worry about the politics, Obama this, tax dollars that tomorrow.  Just celebrate being alive and sleeping peaceful tonight.  With all your limbs and family members.

You said limbs twice.


I think he really likes his limbs.
 
2013-04-19 10:51:38 PM

that bosnian sniper: skullkrusher: umm,.. fertilizer plants don't come in hispanic or black. You want them to work after all

Oh thanks, now I have ice cream up my nose. Ass.

It's like cruise control for headache, but on the other hand my sinuses are now open so there's that.


and your snot is gonna taste great for a few days
 
2013-04-19 10:51:42 PM

r1niceboy: Novart: r1niceboy: I'm astonished by how little the media in this country know about the ethnic Chechen nationalists. By the time the information about the survivor's political and religious beliefs are known and available, people won't care and will be back to wondering what Kim Kardashian will name her crotch fruit. I'm glad they got him alive, and am curious to see how someone who came to the US when they were a child could become radicalized.

This would be a good opportunity to learn why some people feel they must become a terrorist. We won't learn it though if there's something shiny to look at elsewhere.

You know what's really sad about the Chechen rebels?

They were secular. All they wanted was freedom for their people.Russia denied them this, and in their midst the jihadis took over the cause.

There's a lesson to be learned there on both sides.

I remember the BBC  doing a story about the radical Chechen separatists. Most of the Chechens went to learn from the former Mujahadeen about how to fight the Russians. They were welcomed by the Islamic radicals and taught to use Islam as a carrot to lure and motivate fighters. They use jihad tactics, in the same way that during the 70's socialist and marxist terror groups used hijacking airliners. The terrorism university curriculum varies from group to group.


In Eastern Europe and Central Asia religion is essentially fused with ethnonationalism, whether Islam or Christianity. That's why the Bosnian war took on such horrific enhancement from the Serbian Orthodox Church's involvement in the genocidal and systematic rape campaign against the Bosnian Muslims.
 
2013-04-19 10:51:47 PM

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Boston: the city of resilience, the city of champions.


The city of frightened, timid disarmed weenies, peering from the illusory "safety" of their windows as Big Brother's army of minions takes all day to subdue a wounded suspect, fondle their assault weapons, and force an innocent bystander to strip completely naked, face-down in the middle of the street.

> - The Boston Globe
 
2013-04-19 10:51:58 PM

firefly212: I still say we should extradite him to China and let them try him for killing a Chinese national (and he can serve out his sentence) before coming back here to be tried for his crimes against US citizens. It'd be a show of good will on our part, and a demonstration by China that wherever their citizens are, the Chinese government will protect them as much as possible under the law.


Unless that girl was the daughter of some official, quite possible given she was able to come overseas for education, the Chinese government gives roughly zero shiats about this, aside from using it as domestic PR about how America is still the wild west and barely civilized.
 
2013-04-19 10:52:12 PM

Bonanza Jellybean: totes adorbs


Never say that ever again.
 
2013-04-19 10:52:15 PM
If you can do me a flavor Dhjojak and wave to Miranda Wright over there... just a wave, that's all.. did you wave? GOTCHA!!!
 
2013-04-19 10:53:22 PM

Warlordtrooper: The death penalty might not be an option. mass does not use it and if it was all done inside state lines then federal jurisdiction wouldn't apply

I'd did in the mcveigh case because he bombed a federal building


While we are all proud you received your Certificate of Completion from the Hollywood Upstairs Law School you may want to catch up on your Continuing Education Units.
 
2013-04-19 10:53:49 PM

Fissile: Jesus H. Kristmess!  Where did these cops learn how to shoot?   Do they connect only when they're shooting at the family toy poodle and 87 year old wheel chair bound grandmothers?


I don't think they were shooting to kill. The FBI wanted this guy alive.
 
2013-04-19 10:54:21 PM

Therion: Novart: "Tamerlan Tsarnaev, the 26-year-old killed in a wild shootout with police, was a legal U.S. resident who nevertheless could have been removed from the country after a 2009 domestic violence arrest and conviction, according to a Judicial Watch source."

Let me know when you find that "Judicial Watch source", okay?

[media.salon.com image 360x307]
(it's probably this asshole)


Andrea Mitchell was going on about that today. Something about the FBI questioning him 2 years ago. Her co-host, Wet Mouth, was disinterested.
 
2013-04-19 10:54:38 PM

al's hat: BullBearMS: that bosnian sniper: DamnYankees: To repeat...

...as I was just mentioning when the last thread got kiboshed, considering the media's batting average this week I'm hardly surprised they'd cite it as they did. And, if it's the AG's spouting that crap, I'm genuinely disappointed -- but hardly surprised -- in them they'd continue this Bush-era bullshiat.

The kid is a naturalized citizen. He has rights, deserves his day in court and so does Boston and the rest of the country. We're not frickin' Syria.

After the Madrid bombings in Spain, they caught the criminals gave them an open trial in a real court of law and found them guilty.

After the London bombings, they caught the criminals, gave them a public trial in a real court of law and found them guilty.

After the Mumbai bombings in India, they caught the criminals, gave them a public trial in a real court of law and found them guilty.

How about we not be a bunch of pussies this time, America?

So are you suggesting a stoning in front of the Old State House?


-----------------

I suggesting we turn him over to Putin's goons.  I'd pay to see the look on his face as he's dragged on to the Aeroflot plane.  Bye-bye, and don't forget to write.
 
2013-04-19 10:54:43 PM

Dougie AXP: DamnYankees: To repeat,  Obama saying terrorists failed because Boston refused to be intimidated and we refused to be terrorized.

Give me a farking break. We cowered, just like we do at the mere thought of all terrorism. 2 kids set of a couple bombs and we competely shut down a major city, divert the national attention, deploy insane amounts of resources and top it all off by not Mirandizing the guy.

I'm honestly sickened right now and the 'celebrating' all this crap.

I wish I had more confidence, but we're knowingly letting innocent people starve to death in Gitmo and we not only don't help them, but a majority of AMericans probably are happy to see them die even though the US government has officially proclaimed them innocent.

Label someone a terrorist in this country and I have zero confidence in our rule of law.

Jesus Christ, are you dense? You cannot mirandize someone when they're not conscious or coherent enough to UNDERSTAND what you're saying to them. I would bet that when he wakes up they will invoke the 48 hour public safety exemption and then after that, once they're assured there is no IMMINENT THREAT he will be duly mirandized, as if he isn't already aware of his rights as >80% of the population is just from watching Law and Order, CSI, etc etc.


Nope, has to happen ON THE WAY to the arresting officer's car, otherwise it totally doesn't count no-backsies!!
 
2013-04-19 10:54:43 PM
And now "acquaintances" are running out for their 15 mins of fame.
 
2013-04-19 10:54:47 PM
Um... does everyone here hoping for some good, old-fashioned prison justice realize that that's damn near impossible in Supermax?
 
2013-04-19 10:54:54 PM

Christian Bale: catmandu: Can you imagine being the man who found the guy? He saw blood in the driveway near the boat, went and peaked under the tarp and saw a bloody man, and called police.

Why the FARK would you see a messup tarp on your boat and think "hmm, i didn't leave it that way...i better go take a look" during a time when a fugitive is being hunted in your FARKING NEIGHBORHOOD ????


Maybe Boat Owning Guy simply looked out the window after they gave the "All Clear" and thought, "Man, looks like the cops messed up my tarp... Better go straighten it out."

::Walks to boat, fiddles with tarp, shiats himself::
 
2013-04-19 10:54:56 PM
A couple astrophysicist friends (one of them a long-time friend) who work at Hahvahd live in Watertown, within 2 miles of the boat.  They actually got back into town from a conference right around the time of the bombings, and geez are we all glad to see them safe at the end of this.

Stone Meadow said in the last thread, "This is the new face of radical Islam...pretend to be well-integrated citizens while you plot to blow up shiat."  I dunno about anyone else, but I thought plotting to blow up shiat was an ingrained part of American culture since time immemorial, so that alone would tend to demonstrate you've integrated well.  (tl;dr: are you a radical Islamist, a redneck, or a patriot? hard to tell)
 
2013-04-19 10:55:07 PM
theknuckler_33:

If their investigation hadn't identified their photos on Thursday afternoon, do you think what happened today would have happened?

An interesting question. Pictures were going to come out; that was inevitable due to the nature of the bombs and the fact the younger one made no attempt to disguise his face. So it is possible the publication caused the bombers to panic but if it did that would only go to show how undisciplined the bombers were and/or their lack of foresight in planning. Let us be clear: the bombers were amateurs.

The definition of a man is "to keep your head about you when everyone else is losing theirs." That did not happen today. The fact that the bumbling caught the incompetent is not a cause for celebration but simply a matter of relief.
 
2013-04-19 10:55:26 PM

DamnYankees: Gyrfalcon: So what would have been your preferred scenario? To have ignored what happened last night, let him flee

Yeah, that's what I believe. You nailed it. Great job.


OK. Now tell us how you know about his motivations by the sound of the shell casings hitting the floor.
 
2013-04-19 10:55:26 PM

catmandu: Can you imagine being the man who found the guy? He saw blood in the driveway near the boat, went and peaked under the tarp and saw a bloody man, and called police.


Guys got balls of steel, if I had been inside my home all day because of a manhunt and then when I finally felt safe enough to go outside I saw even a speck of blood my reaction would be something like this
 
2013-04-19 10:55:32 PM
Quick! Everybody turn to CNN! Anderson Cooper is interviewing a "not bad" blonde chick on webcam about how she got facials at the suspect's home!
 
2013-04-19 10:55:32 PM

Jabberwookiee: lanabanabutt: Who the fark cares about all this political BS.  I am just happy that me and my 3 small kids can play outside again.  I am happy I have effing FEET to walk on.  I am happy my babies are alive and have all their limbs.  I am happy I can open my windows instead of suffocating on this hot day.  Worry about the politics, Obama this, tax dollars that tomorrow.  Just celebrate being alive and sleeping peaceful tonight.  With all your limbs and family members.

You said limbs twice.


That's because I have 2 favorites.
 
2013-04-19 10:55:43 PM

Biological Ali: Bonanza Jellybean: totes adorbs

Never say that ever again.


you're so presh
 
2013-04-19 10:55:45 PM

djkutch: Beerguy: For anyone that cares, I just uploaded my "Salute to Law Enforcement In Boston" video here

http://youtu.be/qXr61-WE5UI

Fascinating...a wild Farker caught on film in the natural environment.


I am a handsome s.o.b, aren't I ?
 
2013-04-19 10:55:49 PM

HAMMERTOE: TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Boston: the city of resilience, the city of champions.

The city of frightened, timid disarmed weenies, peering from the illusory "safety" of their windows as Big Brother's army of minions takes all day to subdue a wounded suspect, fondle their assault weapons, and force an innocent bystander to strip completely naked, face-down in the middle of the street.

> - The Boston Globe


I love the comparison between 1998 and 2011...you know, a time of economic boom vs. the bottom of the worst economic period since the Great Depression.
 
2013-04-19 10:55:49 PM

Olfin Bedwere: Fissile: Jesus H. Kristmess!  Where did these cops learn how to shoot?   Do they connect only when they're shooting at the family toy poodle and 87 year old wheel chair bound grandmothers?

I don't think they were shooting to kill. The FBI wanted this guy alive.


On the scanner they were ordering perimeter units not to open fire, no matter what.  I figure the hail of gunfire around the boat was mainly intended to drive him back into the boat while they finished sealing the perimeter, suppressing fire and all that. As for the first incident, that was an ad hoc firefighter and supposedly a shiatload of bullets end up in the black hat, so at least someone involved in that one could aim.
 
2013-04-19 10:55:54 PM

GAT_00: GAT_00: vygramul: GAT_00: Myria: GAT_00: Myria: I hope the U.S. Attorney in the press conference meant that Dzhokar won't be Mirandized right now.  In a crazy situation like this, Miranda warnings can wait for a short while until he's out of medical danger and inside a jail cell.

And I hope someone does that to you one day soon for saying that.  I promise, you'll deserve it.

I don't understand the hate in your comment.  The purpose of Miranda is to avoid coercion or intimidation leading to self-incrimination.  If they're not going to ask case-relevant questions, and there are more important matters pressing, Miranda isn't necessary.  Also, "are there any other bombs?" is more important.  The rules say that answers given to pre-Miranda questioning cannot be used in court.

Bullshiat.  One, you're hoping he self-incriminates and the police don't read him his rights.  Two, that statement has always meant 'I hope the cops beat him within an inch of his life and then claim he "fell" a lot.'

So yeah, I hate you for a reason.

If he's hoping for that, he's going to be disappointed in the result, because judges don't accept confessions when someone is low on blood.

Well, that gif didn't transfer.  So I'll just saying that's bullshiat instead.  Really?  You think the judge will even care what the confession says or doesn't say?


Some judge will.  And I guarantee you, if the legal counsel he gets is at all competent, and the confession is the only credible piece of evidence they have (and that counsel's job will be to discredit every piece of evidence linking him to the bombing), then he will be set free, and it will be the judge's fault, and your fault, and all vengeance vultures' fault.

And that's another reason why I want someone moved with the spirit of John Adams as this guy's legal counsel; to make damn sure we get it right the first time.
 
2013-04-19 10:56:15 PM
So... on an aside... My wife is Russian and she is royally pissed that the media is saying the Chechens are Russians. Whether you agree or not, the Russian people want nothing to do with these people (the bombers) or the Chechens in general.
 
2013-04-19 10:56:23 PM

wombatsrus: [c.o0bg.com image 425x637]
I blame the hipsters.


I know waaaaay too many Armenians who ldress just like that.
 
2013-04-19 10:56:41 PM

skullkrusher: BullBearMS: that bosnian sniper: DamnYankees: To repeat...

...as I was just mentioning when the last thread got kiboshed, considering the media's batting average this week I'm hardly surprised they'd cite it as they did. And, if it's the AG's spouting that crap, I'm genuinely disappointed -- but hardly surprised -- in them they'd continue this Bush-era bullshiat.

The kid is a naturalized citizen. He has rights, deserves his day in court and so does Boston and the rest of the country. We're not frickin' Syria.

After the Madrid bombings in Spain, they caught the criminals gave them an open trial in a real court of law and found them guilty.

After the London bombings, they caught the criminals, gave them a public trial in a real court of law and found them guilty.

After the Mumbai bombings in India, they caught the criminals, gave them a public trial in a real court of law and found them guilty.

How about we not be a bunch of pussies this time, America?

there's no indication we won't.

McVeigh - real court of law trial
Beltway sniper - real court of law trial
Underwear bomber - real court of law trial
Richard Reid - real court of law trial
This farkhead - HOLY CRAP IT'S GONNA BE DIFF... nah, it'll be a real court of law trial


Fark that court of law shiat! BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!

/Seriously, though, I'm cool with the thought of him spending the next 80 years full of regret and sadness. unable to even kill himself to end his sad life. All he has to look forward to is his body slowly decaying away until he dies alone and unloved, haunted by the thoughts of the life he could have had.
 
2013-04-19 10:56:47 PM

wee: Mulch the asshole and be done with it.   Or give him his day in court.  Whatever.

/Guy ought to be missing both legs below the knee...


Wood chipper, head first.

/Fargo
 
2013-04-19 10:56:53 PM

skullkrusher: and your snot is gonna taste great for a few days


Less filling, and still better than Miller Lite.
 
2013-04-19 10:57:08 PM

Olfin Bedwere: Fissile: Jesus H. Kristmess!  Where did these cops learn how to shoot?   Do they connect only when they're shooting at the family toy poodle and 87 year old wheel chair bound grandmothers?

I don't think they were shooting to kill. The FBI wanted this guy alive.


The impression I got was that cops (at least in the US) don't take any chances with suspects believed to be this dangerous. They use lethal force, and the only things that can save the suspect are a clear and unambiguous surrender, or dumb luck (surviving after getting shot in the head etc.)
 
2013-04-19 10:57:09 PM
These guys were not caught because of government surveillance, tortured accomplices or coerced citizens. A lot of ordinary Americans that had taken pictures of their friends and family at a national event answered a plea for help and posted their stuff on the internet. Remember, ordinary people did a good thing and made a great thing happen. Sometimes thats all it takes.Vote NO against CISPA! Keep the internet FREE!
 
2013-04-19 10:57:16 PM
Wow, look at how the city of Boston is cowering... thousands of people out in the streets. Clearly they have been cowered.  After all, being careful while danger is near is cowering and not caution.
 
2013-04-19 10:57:18 PM

Igor Jakovsky: hundreddollarman: USA! USA! USA!

Where's mongo?


Never mind that shiat, I'm a gredunza champ*! OK, here's Mongo.

"... from the Harley Races, to the Barry Windhams... to the Ric Flairs..."

"Never mind that shiat, here comes Mongo!"


i70.photobucket.com

*as far as I know, anyway
 
2013-04-19 10:57:32 PM
farm9.staticflickr.com
 
2013-04-19 10:57:32 PM
I'm glad they got the guy, but I have serious doubts that we'll find out the "real" story from him even if he recovers completely. His brother is dead, and while he may or may not have been the major instigator of what happened (considering their ages, it's likely) he can't hurt his brother now by blaming everything he possibly can on him.
 
2013-04-19 10:57:35 PM

Cpl.D: Jabberwookiee: lanabanabutt: Who the fark cares about all this political BS.  I am just happy that me and my 3 small kids can play outside again.  I am happy I have effing FEET to walk on.  I am happy my babies are alive and have all their limbs.  I am happy I can open my windows instead of suffocating on this hot day.  Worry about the politics, Obama this, tax dollars that tomorrow.  Just celebrate being alive and sleeping peaceful tonight.  With all your limbs and family members.

You said limbs twice.

I think he really likes his limbs.


She.  And I do.  My limbs are like... part of me....
 
2013-04-19 10:57:44 PM
Charlie Savage  @charlie_savage
In statement, Lindsey Graham & John McCain call for suspect to be held as enemy combatant w/out Miranda warnings or appointment of counsel.

Last I checked, Dubya wasn't in charge anymore.
 
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