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2013-04-21 01:26:29 AM

itazurakko: What_Would_Jimi_Do: you know exactly what i meant.  do greeks, or turks, or chechyns, or pakistanis, or any other person from that area do they consider themselves white?

Do Americans consider themselves European?


if i was born in Kyrgyzstan, i wouldn't consider myself american or white
 
2013-04-21 01:29:07 AM

itazurakko: Do Americans consider themselves European?


whatever you want to call yourself, i am native american.
 
2013-04-21 01:33:14 AM

What_Would_Jimi_Do: you know exactly what i meant.  do greeks, or turks, or chechyns, or pakistanis, or any other person from that area do they consider themselves white?


So you were just making a sweeping generalization based on nothing more than your own preconceived notions. Gotcha, just wanted to be clear.
 
2013-04-21 01:33:22 AM
so the younger brother drove over his brother in the black mercedes suv?
 
2013-04-21 01:33:34 AM

What_Would_Jimi_Do: if i was born in Kyrgyzstan, i wouldn't consider myself american or white


If you pass for white, you're white, doesn't matter what you think at all. That's how race works.

Meanwhile though the younger brother here immigrated at age 8.  He's socialized American, as pretty much everyone who knows him agrees.  Older brother, not so much, that's the interesting part of all this. He probably had identity issues up the wazoo.  That might have caused him to engage in some actual terrorism, or maybe not, even if he did, it's possible it was some sad-ass DIY wannabe-from-here "prove my street cred" sort of thing (which I'd guess, currently) - but the point is right now no one knows.

Hopefully little brother can shed some light on all of it.  I suspect he was drawn in by older brother (they were tight) and older brother had some "born again" experience recently, but of course that doesn't absolve younger brother of all responsibility - younger brother is still going to answer for mass murder at a minimum.
 
2013-04-21 01:36:05 AM

gweilo8888: What_Would_Jimi_Do: you know exactly what i meant.  do greeks, or turks, or chechyns, or pakistanis, or any other person from that area do they consider themselves white?

So you were just making a sweeping generalization based on nothing more than your own preconceived notions. Gotcha, just wanted to be clear.


keep on trying. are greeks and turks, and pakistanis, and chechyans, considered the same race? WHITE?
 
2013-04-21 01:38:32 AM

What_Would_Jimi_Do: so the younger brother drove over his brother in the black mercedes suv?


Supposedly, yeah.  Though the guy was already obviously shot enough times to die, and some reports have him as wearing some sort of bomb (has that been confirmed? dunno) so probably little brother is (1) panicking and not thinking straight anyway, and (2) convinced older brother is either dead or looking to die soon by his own hand, so what's the harm.

I'll bet those hours on the run and hiding must have sucked, though - if the main guy who was leading this whole thing is gone, so your main motivation is gone, and there's second thoughts, but you already killed enough people (not even just the bombing either, but you then afterward killed a cop, wounded another, AND chucked bombs out of your car at people...) it's like, even giving up is gonna suck, but, what can you do?

Happily he was captured alive and can maybe answer some of "just... WTF??? were you thinking???" to satisfy curiosity before going away for the inevitable long long sentence.
 
2013-04-21 01:43:22 AM

itazurakko: the younger brother here immigrated at age 8.  He's socialized American, as pretty much everyone who knows him agree


the younger as only been a citizen since 9/11/12. the older never was. they both were never amaericans, never lived in chechnya. were both born in kygyzstan. the uncle said they had never been in chechnya. accept it they weren't americans and weren't white(anglo white).
 
2013-04-21 01:46:20 AM
if these 2 were white, i want the drugs you are on
 
2013-04-21 01:54:00 AM
fark both of these pieces of shiat, period
 
2013-04-21 02:05:15 AM

What_Would_Jimi_Do: keep on trying. are greeks and turks, and pakistanis, and chechyans, considered the same race? WHITE?


Does the form say white? WHITE?

(Hint: It doesn't. It doesn't ask you for your ethnicity at all. It doesn't need to, because they don't take ethnicity into account for immigration or naturalization purposes.)

Look at a form N-400 Application for Naturalization. Look at a form G-325 Biographic Information, or the related G-325A, G-325B, or G-325C. Notice how they never ask your ethnicity? They ask your place of birth and citizenship / nationality, as well as the places you've lived, but they never ask for ethnicity.

And even if they did, they wouldn't at the time of naturalization, because that information doesn't change from birth, and it would already be tied to your A-number. In other words, that info would've been recorded on first application for asylum (or whichever method they used to get permanent residence.) And given that it happened when he was nine, he wouldn't have filled out the forms himself -- it would've been done for him by parent or guardian.

All of which to say, your dumb question is dumb and you're only asking it in the first place because you have preconceived notions of the answer.

And that, almost certainly, is because you're a bigoted coward who's terrified of the brown people, and who wants to lump him in with the browns.
 
2013-04-21 02:11:43 AM

gweilo8888: What_Would_Jimi_Do: keep on trying. are greeks and turks, and pakistanis, and chechyans, considered the same race? WHITE?

Does the form say white? WHITE?

(Hint: It doesn't. It doesn't ask you for your ethnicity at all. It doesn't need to, because they don't take ethnicity into account for immigration or naturalization purposes.)

Look at a form N-400 Application for Naturalization. Look at a form G-325 Biographic Information, or the related G-325A, G-325B, or G-325C. Notice how they never ask your ethnicity? They ask your place of birth and citizenship / nationality, as well as the places you've lived, but they never ask for ethnicity.

And even if they did, they wouldn't at the time of naturalization, because that information doesn't change from birth, and it would already be tied to your A-number. In other words, that info would've been recorded on first application for asylum (or whichever method they used to get permanent residence.) And given that it happened when he was nine, he wouldn't have filled out the forms himself -- it would've been done for him by parent or guardian.

All of which to say, your dumb question is dumb and you're only asking it in the first place because you have preconceived notions of the answer.

And that, almost certainly, is because you're a bigoted coward who's terrified of the brown people, and who wants to lump him in with the browns.


you pull all that, but then why have the parents moved back?
 
2013-04-21 02:20:15 AM
you lumping me in with those afraid of brown people? get real. i have lived with brown people, as you said, my entire life. brown people as you used is pretty broad? these guys were brown people.

are all russians considered white people? these two are about as white as michael jackson
 
2013-04-21 02:50:11 AM

What_Would_Jimi_Do: you pull all that, but then why have the parents moved back?


A better question might be "Why have the children stayed?"

Also, my understanding of it from the mainstream media is that the mother hasn't moved back, she's still resident in the US and just traveling.
 
2013-04-21 02:54:46 AM

gweilo8888: What_Would_Jimi_Do: you pull all that, but then why have the parents moved back?

A better question might be "Why have the children stayed?"

Also, my understanding of it from the mainstream media is that the mother hasn't moved back, she's still resident in the US and just traveling.


the mother and father were interviewed from inside russian provences(sp)
 
2013-04-21 02:59:42 AM
these 2 bombers, neither parent is living in the US. neither parent is living in the US, neither parent is a US citizen. the younger bomber was a citizen, 9/11/12.

tell me that isn't the biggest fark you ever
 
2013-04-21 03:22:17 AM
What_Would_Jimi_Do: gweilo8888:Also, my understanding of it from the mainstream media is that the mother hasn't moved back, she's still resident in the US and just traveling.

the mother and father were interviewed from inside russian provences(sp)


What part of the word "traveling" do you not understand?

Here, let me break it into tiny little words for you, since you obviously don't comprehend nine letter ones.

"Mama Bomber lives in America. Mama Bomber went to see Russia. Mama Bomber will not stay in Russia. Mama Bomber will come back home soon."

/my four year old understands simple concepts like this better than you
//the father lives in Russia. the mother doesn't. seems like most of the family is now resident in the US, except the dad.
 
2013-04-21 04:08:09 AM

What_Would_Jimi_Do: gweilo8888: What_Would_Jimi_Do: i would love to see the younger ones application for citizenship to see if he checked white? i doubt it. you know why he didn't consider himself white. like most of you are considering white.

Knew him well, did you? Or just making up nonsense?

you know exactly what i meant.  do greeks, or turks, or chechyns, or pakistanis, or any other person from that area do they consider themselves white?


Yes (except Pakistanis are asian).

In most countries in the world governments do not ask people to label themselves that way, but by the US definition of "race", White is exactly what they are:
"White. A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa. It includes people who indicate their race as "White" or report entries such as Irish, German, Scottish, Italian, Near Easterner, Arab, or Polish.
Race and ethnicity in the United States
 
2013-04-21 04:12:50 AM

What_Would_Jimi_Do: after the moors ravaged most of europe. not many whites in the regions you want to call white.


The Moops didn't really ravage, and they were in Spain, not "most of Europe". And the were North African, i.e. "white".
 
2013-04-21 06:34:20 AM

Dansker: The Moops didn't really ravage, and they were in Spain, not "most of Europe". And the were North African, i.e. "white".


They were actually Arabs. And they got no where near conquering that area of Russia where these boys are from.

The Germanic Tribes conquered most of Europe(Roman Empire) in the 700-800's AD and a few of the countries in westeren Europe still carry their names today as well as Russia(the Rus).

England(the Engs/was also conquered by the Angles and Saxons later), and France(the Franks) just to name a couple of them. Russia(the Rus) is also one of those countries and the Rus were Norman Invaders(Germanic). The Rus conquered that area of Russia(Chechnya) and just to the north in their expansion and eventually claimed the rest of the Russian territory later. They have never been reconquered. The Germanic Tribes were white and in fact were the original Aryan Tribes.

Has there been some mixing? Sure, but not enough to change the ethnicities of that region that quickly. The Russians were ruthless and fought to hold their land and keep their peoples under control. It's only been the past couple of centuries that they've allowed outsiders to come in. I seriously doubt these kids family came from the Araribic or Asian or African regions. Just looking at them tells you that. And the word Caucasian comes from that region these boys do. Whites are Caucasians and these boys fit the bill perfectly.

Here's some other notable Caucasians.
s3.amazonaws.com

Now that kid is every bit as white as the other people in that picture. And they're Caucasian.
 
2013-04-21 06:52:48 AM

Dansker: What_Would_Jimi_Do: after the moors ravaged most of europe. not many whites in the regions you want to call white.

The Moops didn't really ravage, and they were in Spain, not "most of Europe". And the were North African, i.e. "white".


The "Moops" most certainly did ravage - They haven't played nice with anyone since their birth.  Muslims haven't been anything but trouble for a millenia.  It's not the religion - it's the people who follow it.  They simply don't know how to interact with the rest of the world, so they feel they need to destroy anyone they come in contact with.
 
2013-04-21 07:17:58 AM

Lsherm: Dansker: What_Would_Jimi_Do: after the moors ravaged most of europe. not many whites in the regions you want to call white.

The Moops didn't really ravage, and they were in Spain, not "most of Europe". And the were North African, i.e. "white".

The "Moops" most certainly did ravage - They haven't played nice with anyone since their birth.  Muslims haven't been anything but trouble for a millenia.  It's not the religion - it's the people who follow it.  They simply don't know how to interact with the rest of the world, so they feel they need to destroy anyone they come in contact with.


Try reading some actual history. In the first few hundred years the moops did a lot of good and didn't destroy christian and jewish communities. Then the caliphate fell apart and the whole Iberian peninsula descended into tribalism and war; christians vs. muslims, muslims vs. muslims, and christians vs. christians.
When the christians finally reconquested, is when things got really, really nasty in Spain for heretics and muslims alike, and especially for the jews. In the end, muslims and jews were ordered to convert of gtfo. Now that's what I call "not playing nice with others".
 
2013-04-21 07:34:23 AM

draa: Dansker: The Moops didn't really ravage, and they were in Spain, not "most of Europe". And the were North African, i.e. "white".

They were actually Arabs.


They were a mixture of North Africans; some Arabs, mostly Berbers. And by the second and third generation, they were about half hispanic.
Either way, they were white, by official US definitions.
 
2013-04-21 08:44:05 AM
Mirandizing someone does not bestow those rights. You have the right to remain silent during their interrogation.
 
2013-04-21 08:57:37 AM

vygramul: Mirandizing someone does not bestow those rights. You have the right to remain silent during their interrogation.


a very important point that people forget.
 
2013-04-21 10:01:16 AM

FlashHarry: vygramul: Mirandizing someone does not bestow those rights. You have the right to remain silent during their interrogation.

a very important point that people forget.


The whole thing about Miranda is that we thought that people didn't understand that right.

Most everybody understands that right now, so not announcing it has little to zero effect.
 
2013-04-21 10:06:01 AM

What_Would_Jimi_Do: after the moors ravaged most of europe. not many whites in the regions you want to call white.


What 'most of europe' might look like

upload.wikimedia.org

/perhaps you were thinking of the Ottomans?
 
2013-04-21 10:20:40 AM

Vlad_the_Inaner: What_Would_Jimi_Do: after the moors ravaged most of europe. not many whites in the regions you want to call white.

What 'most of europe' might look like

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x217]

/perhaps you were thinking of the Ottomans?


Moors + Ottomans don't = most of Europe.
 
2013-04-21 10:43:41 AM

Vlad_the_Inaner: /perhaps you were thinking of the Ottomans?


I might have tripped over one of those.
 
2013-04-21 11:05:46 AM

vygramul: Moors + Ottomans don't = most of Europe.


Well, the Ottoman Empire did make it  to Vienna...  that's about half way in, isn't it?
 
2013-04-21 11:37:06 AM

gweilo8888: farkplug

:

And incidentally, I quoted close to everything you said in the entire topic -- well, other than the distasteful boasting about how you were so spectacularly, perfectly right last time, and the ranting about everybody else daring to question your greatness. "Cherry picking," indeed.

No, idiot. For example, you missed the entire IMMIGRANT angle I originally brought up. Cherry picking. That's right. That's what I called it, and that's what it is. No "indeed" needed, you pretentious twit.

The only thing you could claim I was "wrong" about was one which in my original post I was very careful to state that I wasn't sure you were claiming as your own position (the suspects being elderly), due to your near-incomprehensible writing.

No, once again. In addition to everything else, you were also "wrong" (why do you put it in quotations, oh superb master of comprehensible writing?) about the English speaking. "Due to" my "near-incomprehensible" writing, you also incorrectly interpreted my obviously non-native, quoted "speaking English"  phrases I used. I'm beginning to see why you keep referring to my writing as "near-incomprehensible." It's because you have farking severe comprehension problems. This "Your writing is near-incomprehensible!" bullshiat whining is usually made by unintelligent people who can't for the life of them understand anything that isn't written in USA TODAY grade English. They're the kinds of people who can't travel to foreign countries because everyone is speaking something other than USA TODAY English. Go fark yourself as you visit Disneyland for the twentieth time this summer.

Other than that, every single thing I stated is right there alongside it in your own words.

Yes. Isn't it interesting how "in [my] own words" can seem to be something very different when you edit the crap out of them, to make yourself look... average in intelligence?

And your own words make you look like an insufferable boor, a braggart, and a jackass.

You're wrong. You're just another farktard who is floored by the simple fact that I correctly profiled the Beltway snipers before the FBI did. Who knows how many other people can say the same thing? Thousands? Tens of thousands? I wasn't bragging about it. I never said I was the only one. The FBI are only human, too. They're only making educated guesses when they profile people. You don't know fark all about me, what my background is, what my education level is, etc. How do you know I'm not as qualified as they are to do this, anyway, barring the access to personal info they have and any other special training, of course? I was just stating a simple fact. Too bad you got so butthurt about it, Christ.  And "an insufferable boor"? Give me a farking break. That makes you sound like the pretentious loon you probably are, in addition to being a sore loser who has to resort to ad hominems in the end because he can't win an argument, never mind following the rules.

Oh, and for all your bleating about "they were white Americans!" (As if I had discounted this in the first place... and then you say you read my "exact quotes"? My ass, you did!): why is the suspect constantly being quoted as saying he didn't understand Americans, and didn't have a single American friend? Kind of odd for an American, isn't it? Not so odd for an immigrant, but you like to keep ignoring that I also wrote that they were probably recent immigrants. I guess your way of winning an argument is just ignoring all the winning points of your opponent, or when they do get a few, accuse them of being braggarts for it.

So take a farking page from the humility book and write this one off as a loss, sunshine, and leave me the fark alone. Have a nice Sunday, and welcome to my ignore list. (You're the first person I've put on it, because you just. will. not. go. away.) I've played in your filthy sandbox for long enough, thank you.
 
2013-04-21 12:10:07 PM

What_Would_Jimi_Do: the younger as only been a citizen since 9/11/12.


But he lived in the US since he was eight years old. He went to regular junior high and high school, as a regular American student, in a US public school, in Boston, with regular garden variety American friends. That matters, more than official citizenship, when it comes to identity. In many ways, the guy is a local.  He's like 1.5 gen.

Note that his brother who only came over at 15 is very different in outlook.  It matters.

And you're right, they never lived in Chechnya which is why it's (1) hilarious that the news was all about "ZOMG Chechen terrorists!!1!" right off the bat, and (2) why their uncle is dismissively calling out even the older brother if that older brother is going to pose as some warrior for the cause, some bad ass fighter for Chechnya.

Probably the older brother was having some issues being confused about just what he is, where he fits in at all.  Quite possibly if he did try to get in with some Chechen affiliated groups, that's what's behind it.

Let me guess, you're born and raised in only one country?

As for being white or not, they're white passing.  If you didn't know their names or any of the stuff dug up on their families by the news, and just saw them at the mall (or at the marathon before they set off the bombs, for that matter) they pass just fine as regular ol' local white college kids.  Particularly the younger one.

Why did the father (not mom) move back? I dunno, I'd like to know that too.  Apparently the family was having internal issues. FWIW uncle and aunt are still over here too, also sisters.

Older brother went to visit his father, that's at least partly what his "ooh, trip abroad!" was about.  According to the New York Times, he was grilled by the FBI in 2010, they didn't find any ties to any organizations or anything (but of course, people can go off the rails in three years, so...) but I found it interesting that supposedly when older brother asked why they were questioning him, the FBI agent (?) said it was prophylactic, to prevent people setting off bombs in Boston.  If that's actually what was said, I have to wonder if, when older brother went off and decided "fark all of this" (for whatever reason) he had that in mind when thinking about his delicious "fark you."

But... who knows. Hopefully little brother is able to shed some light on it.
 
2013-04-21 12:27:41 PM
Would Snooki go on a prom date with anyone other than a real American boy?
 
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