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2013-04-20 05:40:06 PM

luxup: BullBearMS: What Obama is doing now has nothing to do with immediate threat. Here's text from the FBI memo that leaked.

When Bush did it with Zacarias Moussaoui were you just as upset?


Yes. Yes I was.

Oddly, everyone on the left doesn't suddenly start making lame ass farking excuses when Obama does it.
 
2013-04-20 05:43:05 PM
I sooo don't wanna get in the middle of the poo-slingin' bee hive here, but can everyone - particularly the right wingers - take a minute and read this? Some of you are gonna recognize the words comin' outta their... fingers.

Don't kill the messenger...

NTAC, but for the record, I'm neither a by-the-book democrat nor republican... I really split half-and-half on leaning left or right on the major issues. For example, I think: Gays should be allowed to marry (lib); some guy blows up a crowd in Boston, he can go straight to the front of the execution line (cons); I don't want to have a baby - for any reason - I can go to a clinic and have the pregnancy ended (lib); passing laws that drop the number of rounds I carry to 7 is NOT gonna stop gun crime - you know, 'cause it's the number of bullets the criminals carry, not people like me... and criminals aren't exactly known for their willingness to adhere to The Law (cons); etc etc etc. You can be not-all-or-nothin, too :-)

Now, imma just slowwwly back away from the thread and - OH NO! I accidentally dropped a picture of Eliza Dushku!

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-04-20 06:05:55 PM
26 Boston Bomber threads in 60 hours?

Seriously Drew, enough is enough.
 
2013-04-20 06:33:00 PM

olddinosaur: 26 Boston Bomber threads in 60 hours?

Seriously Drew, enough is enough.


You want Trayvon Martin thread for a change?  Maybe OWS?
 
2013-04-20 06:40:09 PM

olddinosaur: 26 Boston Bomber threads in 60 hours?

Seriously Drew, enough is enough.


Counting the threads?

Seriously, step away from the computer.
 
2013-04-20 06:43:32 PM
"26 Boston Bomber threads in 60 hours?"

Interesting to note - Considering where these shiats were from -
Not one Fark referance to Borat (That my drunk eyes saw).

Seems the Farkistan nation also has inferior potassium.

The shame! The shame on Fark nation!
 
2013-04-20 06:46:15 PM

SixCats: Not one Fark referance to Borat (That my drunk eyes saw).


I saw at least one image one.. And I had to skip forward a bunch.
 
2013-04-20 07:02:11 PM
Stilllll waiting for those who swore and/or bet it was Christians, Republicans, or the Tea Party to make good ...

Sliding Carp [TotalFark] 2013-04-15 03:37:17 PM

pnkgtr: I'd like to call it early - domestic terrorism.

Put me down for $5 on Southie tea-baggers.

..... no not really. They're no more ethical than they are smart.
 
2013-04-20 07:14:16 PM
Beerguy [TotalFark]


For anyone that cares, I just uploaded my "Salute to Law Enforcement In Boston" video here

I didn't click your link, so if it's a joke or a middle finger to the idiots in their jack boots feel free to ignore the rest of this post.

If you're serious however WTF are you "saluting" these fools for? 100+ armed tax-payer-trained specialists, sharpshooters and everything but M1 Abrams tanks surrounded two untrained, unskilled idots and they
a) let him go
b) lost him
c) couldn't find him -even while calling in every jack-boot in the state, and paying O.T. up the wazzooo...

And some nobody finds him while heading out fishing?

ROTLFL... yeah thank god the "state" protects us all.
 
2013-04-20 07:19:10 PM
HaywoodJablonski: When's it safe to resume looking down our noses at Boston again? May?


When you get something right. Then you can start looking down your nose at someone.

Nine minutes after the initial bomb report:
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HaywoodJablonski 2013-04-15 03:29:12 PM
Hmm, tax day...boston. Tea party...Taxed Enough Already...
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2013-04-20 07:29:11 PM

BullBearMS: Now that authorities have captured Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, the 19-year-old believed to be the second suspect in the bombings at the Boston Marathon on Monday, federal law enforcement officials are invoking the public safety exception regarding his Miranda rights, a senior Justice Department official told ABC News.

This isn't an if situation, no matter how many times people try to deny reality.

Obama's decision to do this "because terrorism" was made months and months ago, so this has exactly jack shiat to do with this guy's state of mind.


Normally I have you written off as a troll, but you quote a good source. But to pretend it was Obama's decision is extremely ignorant of you.
 
2013-04-20 07:44:03 PM

jaylectricity: to pretend it was Obama's decision is extremely ignorant of you.


The Obama administration has created a new policy that allows investigators to waive Miranda warnings for domestic-terror suspects, even when there is not an "immediate threat,"

This is Obama's policy.

jaylectricity: troll


The trolling comes in when the people who pretended to be so terribly concerned about this exact sort of behavior under Bush suddenly feel the need to make excuses now that Obama is the one doing it.

Shredding the Bill of Rights "because terrorism" is a shiatty, shiatty thing to do. No matter who does it.
 
2013-04-20 07:49:17 PM

BullBearMS: jaylectricity: to pretend it was Obama's decision is extremely ignorant of you.

The Obama administration has created a new policy that allows investigators to waive Miranda warnings for domestic-terror suspects, even when there is not an "immediate threat,"

This is Obama's policy.


Anything that anybody does with Obama in office can be labeled the Obama administration.

It's just stupid to believe that Obama decided to do this on his own.
 
2013-04-20 07:50:44 PM

OnlyM3: And some nobody finds him while heading out fishing?


he wasn't going fishing.
 
2013-04-20 07:50:50 PM

BullBearMS: The trolling comes in when the people who pretended to be so terribly concerned about this exact sort of behavior under Bush suddenly feel the need to make excuses now that Obama is the one doing it.


Yes...those people are trolling. But you seem to believe that all Americans act like those select few trolls.
 
2013-04-20 07:59:57 PM

jaylectricity: BullBearMS: jaylectricity: to pretend it was Obama's decision is extremely ignorant of you.

The Obama administration has created a new policy that allows investigators to waive Miranda warnings for domestic-terror suspects, even when there is not an "immediate threat,"

This is Obama's policy.

Anything that anybody does with Obama in office can be labeled the Obama administration.

It's just stupid to believe that Obama decided to do this on his own.


By that logic nothing that happened under Bush was Bush's fault.

Stop trolling. Stop making lame ass excuses.
 
2013-04-20 08:04:02 PM

BullBearMS: By that logic nothing that happened under Bush was Bush's fault.


Right. I agree. Sooo...why would you say:

BullBearMS: Stop trolling. Stop making lame ass excuses.


I find it hard to believe that a smart guy like you would actually believe that the President has anything to do with any policies in this country.
 
2013-04-20 08:12:21 PM
TwistedFark: Unfortunately we have a lot of people in this thread that don't understand anything other than what they see on Law and Order or CSI. A lot of unrealistic expectations all around... its kind of shocking.
What you said is essentially correct. You only need to Miranda someone for information you want to take to trial. You can ask a suspect ANY question you want before you Miranda them, but the conversation isn't admissible at trial. If you want to interrogate for trial - then you Miranda them.
It's that simple. I'm sort of stunned that there is like 50 posts in this thread discussing this.


I find it astonishing that these people think they understand this better than prosecutors who actually graduated from law school and have years of experience practicing law. I wonder how many of them had even heard of this exception before it came up in this case.

Do any of you really think these DAs are going to do anything that might harm this case? They want this guy in jail just as much as everyone else and they're responsible for making sure it happens. They're going to be extremely careful to do everything by the book. I would pretty much guarantee they were in the command post or nearby, advising the police and making sure they didn't do anything that could be used to hurt the case.
 
2013-04-20 08:27:43 PM

jaylectricity: BullBearMS: By that logic nothing that happened under Bush was Bush's fault.

Right. I agree. Sooo...why would you say:

BullBearMS: Stop trolling. Stop making lame ass excuses.

I find it hard to believe that a smart guy like you would actually believe that the President has anything to do with any policies in this country.


I can't believe you think anyone is going to buy into this whole "Obama can't be blamed for what he chooses to do" angle.

Is he also blameless for expanding warrantless spying at every turn and fighting to overturn a court ruling that indefinite detention under the NDAA Unconstitutional?

Obama has consistently been a Civil Liberties disaster. This is just more of the same.

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2013-04-20 08:35:52 PM
gweilo8888: farkplug: WALL OF BOLD RANTING LOONY TEXT WALL OF BOLD RANTING LOONY TEXT WALL OF BOLD RANTING LOONY TEXT WALL OF BOLD RANTING LOONY TEXT WALL OF BOLD

Awww bless, somebody's upset because he got caught being flat-out wrong about almost everything he said. Diddums.

Aw, golly gee willikers, someone can't handle that his or her pathetic critique was 90% wrong, and had an idiotic suggestion to point to a link where he/she thinks I was supposed to have posted an idea I had in passing about the Beltway snipers over a decade ago.

Oopsies!

Congrats on your middle-school debate skills! ("If I suck at debating, just quote the other person's retorts as  WALL OF BOLD RANTING LOONY TEXT! Yeah! Cuz that will convince EVERYONE that I was right!) Good luck, farktard!
 
2013-04-20 08:45:33 PM

BullBearMS: jaylectricity: BullBearMS: By that logic nothing that happened under Bush was Bush's fault.

Right. I agree. Sooo...why would you say:

BullBearMS: Stop trolling. Stop making lame ass excuses.

I find it hard to believe that a smart guy like you would actually believe that the President has anything to do with any policies in this country.

I can't believe you think anyone is going to buy into this whole "Obama can't be blamed for what he chooses to do" angle.

Is he also blameless for expanding warrantless spying at every turn and fighting to overturn a court ruling that indefinite detention under the NDAA Unconstitutional?

Obama has consistently been a Civil Liberties disaster. This is just more of the same.

[dl.dropboxusercontent.com image 400x133]


OK, so you have a deficiency in listening skills. I never said anything that you are claiming. That's why I have you labeled as a troll.

Have a nice life. Hope that all works out for you.
 
2013-04-20 08:45:44 PM

BullBearMS: Obama has consistently been a Civil Liberties disaster. This is just more of the same.


He's criticized by the actual left for this pretty constantly.

Meanwhile I'd like to know just how in the hell they get "weapons of mass destruction" out of a farking pressure cooker bomb.  WMD is originally a euphemism for NUCLEAR WEAPONS and then after that possibly mass chemical weapons (i.e., not just pepper spray).  Mass destruction.  Taking out entire parts of cities.  Beyond the pale even for supposedly civilized armies to use.

It's complete bullshiat.

It's fascinating to see the difference in treatment between a bombing mass murderer and a gun mass murderer.  Guns? Can't do a damn thing about it because freedoms (not saying I disagree there, either).  Bomb? ZOMG, it's the end of the world, mass destruction! Let's just waive constitutional rights, because terrorism!

I mean, thankfully the bombs at Columbine didn't actually go off, but I can't help but wonder what sort of precedent they might have set, in contrast to this "terrorism!!" reflex thing. Use of a bomb doesn't automatically equal terrorism, and certainly not "weapons of mass destruction."

Mind, mass murder, attempted mass murder, and mass maiming is certainly bad enough, this guy has no doubt done plenty of crimes enough to get him put away most likely permanently.  That kind of willful disregard for human life during a premeditated action (regardless of motive) is pretty much your worst sort of murder charges, and that's plenty enough.
 
2013-04-20 09:09:23 PM

itazurakko: He's criticized by the actual left for this pretty constantly.


Yupper. There are several Farkers who are actual liberals instead of Politics tab party shill types.

America has been consistently shredding the Constitution over the bipartisan war on drugs and now the bipartisan war on terror for some time now.

You would think people would be smart enough to very vocally oppose them pushing the boundaries even farther with each passing day.
 
2013-04-20 09:09:50 PM

ZeroCorpse: OH MY GOSH! LOOK AT THIS DARKIE!

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JEEZUM CROW, PEOPLE! IF HE WERE ANY DARKER, HE'D BE A GINGER!

Those darn ghostly-pale non-white people! I guess this will teach them to keep their white-skinned darkness out of our similarly-white-but-totally-not-the-same country! HURRRRRRR!

Yea, large amounts of blood loss does tend to make one a bit pale.

 
2013-04-20 09:26:23 PM

BullBearMS: itazurakko: He's criticized by the actual left for this pretty constantly.

Yupper. There are several Farkers who are actual liberals instead of Politics tab party shill types.

America has been consistently shredding the Constitution over the bipartisan war on drugs and now the bipartisan war on terror for some time now.

You would think people would be smart enough to very vocally oppose them pushing the boundaries even farther with each passing day.


Seriously. I mean, I can kinda see the idea of "well, the other guy is worse" and voting for the lesser of the evils, but you still gotta keep the pressure on that "lesser of the evils" when he's in office.

We used to have a poster "this is the Constitution... this is the Constitution on the War On Drugs" poster on our fridge, where the latter part has half the stuff all crossed out and annotated, sadly lost it when the house burned, need to hunt down another. It was some pullout from a magazine I think...
 
2013-04-20 09:38:17 PM

OnlyM3: Beerguy [TotalFark]


For anyone that cares, I just uploaded my "Salute to Law Enforcement In Boston" video here
I didn't click your link, so if it's a joke or a middle finger to the idiots in their jack boots feel free to ignore the rest of this post.

If you're serious however WTF are you "saluting" these fools for? 100+ armed tax-payer-trained specialists, sharpshooters and everything but M1 Abrams tanks surrounded two untrained, unskilled idots and they
a) let him go
b) lost him
c) couldn't find him -even while calling in every jack-boot in the state, and paying O.T. up the wazzooo...

And some nobody finds him while heading out fishing?

ROTLFL... yeah thank god the "state" protects us all.


You forgot to add that they did capture him.  Alive.  Within 24hrs.
 
2013-04-20 09:46:40 PM

Lord Ezekiel: There were tanks driving down the street?
There were innocent peoples' doors kicked in?

citationneeded.jpg


This good enough for you?

cdn.theatlantic.com
 
2013-04-20 10:01:28 PM

BullBearMS: jaylectricity: to pretend it was Obama's decision is extremely ignorant of you.

The Obama administration has created a new policy that allows investigators to waive Miranda warnings for domestic-terror suspects, even when there is not an "immediate threat,"

This is Obama's policy.

Wow, a link to rawstory that leads to WSJ, that claims to have reviewed  a guidance memo that is undisclosed.  A story from 2011.


Thanks for the precise conclusivas ine details!


10 seconds of googling found a blog (which no doubt sucks) just a few months younger, but had significantly more details that your story


http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2011/04/the-obama-administration s-n ew-guidelines-on-miranda-in-terrorism-cases-is-there-really-anything-n ew-here/


Which has quotes that leads to a NYT article that publishes the memo.


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/25/us/25miranda-text.html?_r=0


one section


As noted above, if there is time to consult with FBI-HQ (including OGC) and Department of Justice attorneys regarding the interrogation strategy to be followed prior to reading the defendant his Miranda rights, the field office should endeavor to do so. Nevertheless, the agents on the scene who are interacting with the arrestee are in the best position to assess what questions are necessary to secure their safety and the safety of the public, and how long the post-arrest interview can practically be delayed while interrogation strategy is being discussed.

In other words, the key here is delay to discuss strategy prior to starting a formal interrogation, not perform a Jack Bauer 24 style interrogation .

Of course maybe YOU see in that memo where Miranda is indefinitely waived, but I don't. Just in exceptional cases or question flike:

* possible impending or coordinated terrorist attacks

* the location, nature, and threat posed by weapons that might post an imminent danger to the public;

* the identities, locations, and activities or intentions of accomplices who may be plotting additional imminent attacks.

"impending", "imminent". Isn't that the 'immediate' sort thing you are whining about?

Or maybe you think its OK to leave boobytraps, bombs, and accomplices in play. Not like someone would hijack ANOTHER plane(besides the ones already kn own) to fly into a building or anything

 
2013-04-20 10:06:06 PM

OnlyM3: Stilllll waiting for those who swore and/or bet it was Christians, Republicans, or the Tea Party to make good ...


Don't forget those who thought it was brown people flown in just for the occasion.

farkplug: Aw, golly gee willikers, someone can't handle that his or her pathetic critique was 90% wrong


Everything I said was 100% right, and accompanied by an exact, unedited quote from you showing that you said what I characterized you as saying. The facts speak for themselves.
 
2013-04-20 10:08:15 PM

clyph: Lord Ezekiel: There were tanks driving down the street?
There were innocent peoples' doors kicked in?

citationneeded.jpg

This good enough for you?

[cdn.theatlantic.com image 850x483]



BearCat : tank :: SuperSoaker : AK-47

How 'bout the doors being kicked in?
 
2013-04-20 10:31:15 PM

gweilo8888: farkplug


Everything I said was 100% right, and accompanied by an exact, unedited quote from you showing that you said what I characterized you as saying. The facts speak for themselves.

No, see, this is the thing, deluded farktard. You were only about 15% right, and that's even granting you the privilege of having cherry-picked -- and totally misunderstood most of -- my quotes. The facts do speak for themselves: you're an incompetent debater who cannot handle failure and seem to deal with it by continuing to provoke the victor, long afterwards. You were 85% wrong. Suck it up. It happens in life.

Now, move the fark on, kid. I'm finished with this topic, with your pathetic chest-beating, and with you.
 
2013-04-20 10:43:58 PM
please stop saying these brothers are white

cdn.gunaxin.com

they ain't white, they ain't even old timey.
 
2013-04-20 11:01:10 PM
I will eat you alive
I will eat you alive
I will eat you alive
There'll be no more lies
I will eat you alive
 
2013-04-20 11:04:42 PM

mikaloyd: The due could climb in and out of a fking boat He can talk.

I think that in fact he shuld beencouraged to talk by any means practicble.


They are saying now that he was shot in the throat. He had to have an airway inserted to breath at the scene and is sedated in serious condition. In spite of you being a just so sure of yourself know it all,  it looks like he actually may have been/is unable to speak at all due to the throat injury.
 
2013-04-20 11:58:56 PM

KarmicDisaster: mikaloyd: The due could climb in and out of a fking boat He can talk.

I think that in fact he shuld beencouraged to talk by any means practicble.

They are saying now that he was shot in the throat. He had to have an airway inserted to breath at the scene and is sedated in serious condition. In spite of you being a just so sure of yourself know it all,  it looks like he actually may have been/is unable to speak at all due to the throat injury.


if he was shot in throat, would he have been able to climb out of the boat?
 
2013-04-21 12:01:11 AM

farkplug: gweilo8888: farkplug

Everything I said was 100% right, and accompanied by an exact, unedited quote from you showing that you said what I characterized you as saying. The facts speak for themselves.

No, see, this is the thing, deluded farktard. You were only about 15% right, and that's even granting you the privilege of having cherry-picked -- and totally misunderstood most of -- my quotes. The facts do speak for themselves: you're an incompetent debater who cannot handle failure and seem to deal with it by continuing to provoke the victor, long afterwards. You were 85% wrong. Suck it up. It happens in life.

Now, move the fark on, kid. I'm finished with this topic, with your pathetic chest-beating, and with you.


The funny thing is, you sincerely believe all of the above.

And incidentally, I quoted close to everything you said in the entire topic -- well, other than the distasteful boasting about how you were so spectacularly, perfectly right last time, and the ranting about everybody else daring to question your greatness. "Cherry picking," indeed.

The only thing you could claim I was "wrong" about was one which in my original post I was very careful to state that I wasn't sure you were claiming as your own position (the suspects being elderly), due to your near-incomprehensible writing. Other than that, every single thing I stated is right there alongside it in your own words.

And your own words make you look like an insufferable boor, a braggart, and a jackass.
 
2013-04-21 12:01:39 AM
shot in the jaw, not through the throat
 
2013-04-21 12:15:36 AM
the youngest was givien citizenship last 9/11/13? can't it be revoked? the older was never given citizenship, who is dead.
 
2013-04-21 12:16:15 AM
not 13, but 12 easy typo on my part
 
2013-04-21 12:34:15 AM
these 2 kids uncle said they weren't born in chechnya, it has nothing to do with chechnya. they we're born in kyrgyzstan. their parents may have been chechyan, but they weren't born in chechynia.

did chechnya even exist 26 years ago? wasn't it russia then?

i know the region may have had the name, but it wasn't a country.

i would love to see the younger ones application for citizenship to see if he checked white? i doubt it. you know why he didn't consider himself white. like most of you are considering white.
 
2013-04-21 12:41:44 AM
the older brother wasn't a citizen, the younger was. they both did this together. they are both terrorists. citizenship should be revoked.
 
2013-04-21 12:53:14 AM
Coming back in here one more time to send a huge thank you to the many folks that stuck around since the first threads on this incident were submitted.  Between scanner links, news feeds, and links to twitter feeds from local residents, you all did an amazing job keeping us all informed (and glued to the scanner feeds).  I'll take a bit of credit for the thread badges, but the lions' share of the credit goes to many others.

A lot of us went to work really tired on Friday, but this was a great display by everyone who kept the information flowing.  Nice work!  :D
 
2013-04-21 01:01:38 AM

What_Would_Jimi_Do: the older brother wasn't a citizen, the younger was. they both did this together. they are both terrorists. citizenship should be revoked.


There's no evidence yet for any terrorism. Any number of domestic thrill kill mass murder sprees had bigger death count (granted, the wounded count here is high). If it turns out there's actually some viable political demand (and Americans realizing "ZOMG we're mortal people can kill us whenever" just generally doesn't count) THEN you can consider it terrorism.

Try the surviving guy for mass murder (plus attempted same, plus grievous bodily harm for all the wounded), it's more than enough to put him away.

Change your undies and get on with life already.
 
2013-04-21 01:10:14 AM
Grand_Moff_Joseph: Coming back in here one more time to send a huge thank you to the many folks that stuck around since the first threads on this incident were submitted.  Between scanner links, news feeds, and links to twitter feeds from local residents, you all did an amazing job keeping us all informed (and glued to the scanner feeds).  I'll take a bit of credit for the thread badges, but the lions' share of the credit goes to many others.

A lot of us went to work really tired on Friday, but this was a great display by everyone who kept the information flowing.  Nice work!  :D


whatever jackoff gredunza
 
2013-04-21 01:11:31 AM

itazurakko: What_Would_Jimi_Do: the older brother wasn't a citizen, the younger was. they both did this together. they are both terrorists. citizenship should be revoked.

There's no evidence yet for any terrorism. Any number of domestic thrill kill mass murder sprees had bigger death count (granted, the wounded count here is high). If it turns out there's actually some viable political demand (and Americans realizing "ZOMG we're mortal people can kill us whenever" just generally doesn't count) THEN you can consider it terrorism.

Try the surviving guy for mass murder (plus attempted same, plus grievous bodily harm for all the wounded), it's more than enough to put him away.

Change your undies and get on with life already.


no evidence?
 
2013-04-21 01:14:01 AM

What_Would_Jimi_Do: i would love to see the younger ones application for citizenship to see if he checked white? i doubt it. you know why he didn't consider himself white. like most of you are considering white.


Knew him well, did you? Or just making up nonsense?
 
2013-04-21 01:17:18 AM

gweilo8888: What_Would_Jimi_Do: i would love to see the younger ones application for citizenship to see if he checked white? i doubt it. you know why he didn't consider himself white. like most of you are considering white.

Knew him well, did you? Or just making up nonsense?


you know exactly what i meant.  do greeks, or turks, or chechyns, or pakistanis, or any other person from that area do they consider themselves white?
 
2013-04-21 01:20:49 AM

What_Would_Jimi_Do: no evidence?


For terrorism? No. Where's the political demand, for mere starters?

For mass murder? Plenty. The guy is going away for life most likely, if he's not executed.

Killing a lot of people in a gruesome manner, even killing them in such a way that their neighbors collectively shiat their shorts, is not enough to say "terrorism."  Mass murder, it's a good enough crime on its own.
 
2013-04-21 01:21:29 AM
after the moors ravaged most of europe. not many whites in the regions you want to call white.
 
2013-04-21 01:22:58 AM

What_Would_Jimi_Do: you know exactly what i meant.  do greeks, or turks, or chechyns, or pakistanis, or any other person from that area do they consider themselves white?


Do Americans consider themselves European?
 
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