GoldSpider: I think we'll all be a little disappointed if they police don't find an AR-15 among the suspects' possessions.
zabadu: A reporter on CNN keeps pronouncing ambulance as AM Boo Lance.
Stone Meadow: Actually, now it turns out that the FBI watched the elder brother for years (Source) as he slowly radicalized himself into a jihadist. Visiting Russia (and likely Chechens there); hanging on forums with them, and spending hours on Skype with them.
jonathan_L: I've been looking at Chinese papers all week via thepaperboy.com and I've seen zero photos of Lu Lingzi in them. The pages tend to be pretty text-heavy, and I don't read characters as well as I'd like, but you'd think that if the papers (and the government they're answerable to) actually did give two shiats about her, you'd see a photo or two.
Fissile: Shyla: Maximer: So... on an aside... My wife is Russian and she is royally pissed that the media is saying the Chechens are Russians. Whether you agree or not, the Russian people want nothing to do with these people (the bombers) or the Chechens in general.Except when Chechnya broke apart from Russia and Russia re-invaded them to take control of them. Sounds like *someone* in Russia wants a part of them.============There's nothing much of value in Chechnya. The entire place is an ass-backward clusterfark. The Russians refer to the Chechens, and most everyone else in the Caucasuses, as "black asses". The Russians don't want to lose any territory, even if it is worthless, because it sets a bad example, and there are places near Chechnya that have oil.........lots of it. They don;t want anyone else to get any ideas.
GAT_00: Gyrfalcon: Long answer: Yes, because Miranda is only to ADVISE you of your rights. Your rights are guaranteed in the constitution. The Miranda warning is only given because (based on the case) some people are unaware of their rights, or not aware they have them, or not given the option to exercise them--but you always have them, because the 5th and 6th Amendment are always in play. If this kid wakes up from surgery and they start talking to him and he says "STFU, go away, I want a lawyer," then even if they haven't read his rights, they have to STFU and go away. They don't get to say "Ha ha! You don't have any rights yet because we didn't read them to you!"I like how you went to "you have rights, and Miranda is there to make sure you know them" to "that's why nobody has to tell you your rights with Miranda!"
Gyrfalcon: GAT_00: Gyrfalcon: GAT_00: Gyrfalcon: Long answer: Yes, because Miranda is only to ADVISE you of your rights. Your rights are guaranteed in the constitution. The Miranda warning is only given because (based on the case) some people are unaware of their rights, or not aware they have them, or not given the option to exercise them--but you always have them, because the 5th and 6th Amendment are always in play. If this kid wakes up from surgery and they start talking to him and he says "STFU, go away, I want a lawyer," then even if they haven't read his rights, they have to STFU and go away. They don't get to say "Ha ha! You don't have any rights yet because we didn't read them to you!"I like how you went to "you have rights, and Miranda is there to make sure you know them" to "that's why nobody has to tell you your rights with Miranda!"Don't you have to go tell the Joint Chiefs of Staff how to run a war or something? Or direct cleanup operations in West, TX? We don't need you here.You're being a douchebag, why?Your logic is inconsistent. Just because you have rights, does not mean you are necessarily aware of them. That's why you get read them, to make SURE you know you have them.To answer your juvenile question, nobody has to GIVE you your rights, because rights cannot be given. They exist. Miranda rights are read to make sure you "know" them, but if your rights are not "read" to you does not mean that you don't have them. Police cannot refuse to give you a lawyer, or stop questioning you when you demand, because they haven't read you your rights.Now, do you understand the distinction I am making here, which is that regardless of whether our suspect has had his Miranda rights read or not, he still has the right to terminate questioning if he so chooses? The reason they are opting not to read him his rights now is so that they can talk to him and hopefully get some actionable intel out of him, with the full knowledge it won't be usable in court--but tha ...
Clark W Griswald: US. Taking your rights away one nut bag at a time.
TyrantII: dennysgod: Clark W Griswald: scottydoesntknow: Clark W Griswald: US. Taking your rights away one nut bag at a time.What rights were taken away?Shutting down boston and all the future US cities to come. It's a precedent now and will continue in the future whether you believe it or not.It was the local cops that SHUT DOWN ANYTHING and local authority shutting down parts, if not all of a town, is nothing new, happens quite often in winter after a major snow storm, or in other areas where other natural and sometime man-made disasters happen.Hell just a few weeks ago they shut down Duluth because of a snow storm, told everybody to stay indoors and told outsiders to stay out. So no precedent was set today.Wasn't even the Boston. It was Watertown that shut down. Boston was open, except for the 15 block crime scene. It was dead because the MBTA coordinated with state officials and shut down to limit the suspects options to leave Watertown.Boston? Anyone who wanted to could drive in. Some people still went to work, but most said "fark it 3 day weekend" and watching this interesting thing on TV.Charlestown, North End, Southie, Dot, Roxie? All bumping today and BAU. Same with Someville and Medford. Places with lots of offices were dead, cause everyone took the day off, not because they were locked inside.Here's a hint folks, the media probably isn't reporting right on the places they're not. They can barley get it right on the places they in and focused on!
Mrtraveler01: Yes please: Phins: Novart: Didn't something happen in Texas recently, a guy lost his fertilizer or something?DamnYankees: Exactly - way more death and destruction there. But we dont care as much since there isn't an enemy to label and worry about. Via Infinito: Do you really not get the difference? People in Texas don't need to do a city-wide manhunt to stop marauding fertilizer plants from exploding.The initial explosion was national news but it's really a local story at this point. There's about a 99% chance this was an industrial accident. It really only affects the people nearby and their loved ones. Now if it does turn out that it was a terrorist attack, it's national news again.I'm in Texas and it's still a major story here and we care very much. People are giving blood and raising money and donating supplies.The Marathon bombing is a national story. It's a premier sporting event that draws people from around the country and all over the world. This was a terrorist attack on U.S. soil, an attack on the entire U.S. and it affects everyone in the country.All true, but if several hundred children had been killed in that school a few hundred feet away from the plant we'd be hearing a lot more about the West explosion, predictable accident or not. It's all about what they can sensationalize.If this Boston incident wasn't going on. The West explosion would've been the only thing the media talked about all week.This was the one week where they weren't the lead story.
DeathByGeekSquad: Now we can move on to the Mike Mulugeta lawsuits. These should be fun, I hope he destroys a few careers.
John Paul Jones: Mark my words. This event is the end of CNN, and the end of Fark. There is nothing of use in either, any more.
GAT_00: Via Infinito: skullkrusher: BullBearMS: skullkrusher: his farkhead - HOLY CRAP IT'S GONNA BE DIFF... nah, it'll be a real court of law trialJust like all those people in Gitmo and our much larger political prison in Afghanistan got?I wonder if there's a difference. Maybe you can help me out. What's different between the cases I listed and people in Gitmo? Do we flip a coin to decide if they get US civilian courts or Gitmo or is there some different mechanism at work?OOH I know!!!! *raises hand* PICK ME!!!!I'm going to go with, this guy is more likely to actually be guilty than everyone in Gitmo.dr_blasto: t is reasonable to expect they wouldn't question or Mirandize him before providing medical treatment and stabilizing him. In fact, that should be required, shouldn't it?The bullshiat about questioning him about stuff with Mirandizing him, that's the bad thing. My worry: he still has rights to not incriminate himself no matter what the PATRIOT act says, it is superseded by the consitution, but is it honored? Can he end his interview whenever he wants?Given that Boston cops managed to avoid killing any of the who knows how many innocent people they arrested in the last 24 hours, there is a small chance that actual justice will prevail, he will be read his rights, get a real, fair trial, and if found guilty spend his life in jail, the way it should happen.It's a very small chance. Just look at all the bloodthirsty savages in here for example.
GoldSpider: And how can we call this "terrorism" without knowing the bombers' motive?
scottydoesntknow: Lionel Mandrake: Olfin Bedwere: Lionel Mandrake: Mad_Radhu: /Seriously, though, I'm cool with the thought of him spending the next 80 years full of regret and sadness. unable to even kill himself to end his sad life. All he has to look forward to is his body slowly decaying away until he dies alone and unloved, haunted by the thoughts of the life he could have had.That's always struck me as odd...pro-death penalty opponents (many) seem to think that life in jail is somehow less of a punishment than execution...Which would you prefer, people? And if it's death you prefer, you'll still be able to achieve that goal with a life sentence.Life in prison is not a pleasant alternative.Exactly my point. Die now?, or spend years or decades in a tiny cage and then die?Well most people say they don't want to spend the tax dollars keeping them alive (next someone will post a graphic showing it costs more to execute, that's not my point). I'd like to see him rot in prison, too. No voice to the outside, no contact. Just having to constantly watch his back because everyone at the Supermax will know what he did.
I_C_Weener: Did you see the story of the man who ran in the Boston marathon, crossed the finish line as the bombs went off? His wife was next to a person who lost her leg. They go home to Texas, and he's driving home from work and he survives (by miles I think) the Texas explosion? That guy needs to buy all the lottery tickets this week.
Mrtraveler01: If this Boston incident wasn't going on. The West explosion would've been the only thing the media talked about all week.This was the one week where they weren't the lead story.
GAT_00: theknuckler_33: I can NOT believe you are forcing me to agree with goofysavior. Dude... This was handled just about as well as could have possibly been expected. Seriously, what exactly was badly handled?First, a random person was held on the ground for 15 minutes, allowing this guy to escape in the first place because they let their net collapse. Then, after running in circles all night, they lost him, so they decided to more or less declare martial law in Boston. Then, they proceeded to execute warrantless searches of Watertown, which completely failed to find the guy that was 5 miles away from where he was lost and hiding in a boat the entire time, and was found by said boat's owner. Not one single thing the police did from the time he went to ground until the time he was found by the boat's owner was worth anything.The only positive in all of this is the BPD didn't kill any random people.
al's hat: zabadu: A reporter on CNN keeps pronouncing ambulance as AM Boo Lance.I had some bad psghetti at the libary onect and hads to go in the amboolance. It was very fustrating!
DamnYankees: It's also worth pointing out that the way they ended up finding this guy was because they lifted the stupid lockdown, and when a guy then finally left his house he noticed blood on his boat.
SamWaters: I'm not happy. I'm blown away. I thought the terrorist was a right wing Christian white man from Texas. I'm just a sorry ass mess with a bum electric leg. Time for another scotch and soda.[www.thehayride.com image 480x320]
TommyymmoT: DeathByGeekSquad: Now we can move on to the Mike Mulugeta lawsuits. These should be fun, I hope he destroys a few careers.We can only hope.
Mad_Radhu: /Seriously, though, I'm cool with the thought of him spending the next 80 years full of regret and sadness. unable to even kill himself to end his sad life. All he has to look forward to is his body slowly decaying away until he dies alone and unloved, haunted by the thoughts of the life he could have had.
Omahawg: John Paul Jones: Mark my words. This event is the end of CNN, and the end of Fark. There is nothing of use in either, any more.bie?eip
FLMountainMan: Pervez Musharraff was arrested in Pakistan.
dbirchall: A couple astrophysicist friends (one of them a long-time friend) who work at Hahvahd live in Watertown, within 2 miles of the boat. They actually got back into town from a conference right around the time of the bombings, and geez are we all glad to see them safe at the end of this.Stone Meadow said in the last thread, "This is the new face of radical Islam...pretend to be well-integrated citizens while you plot to blow up shiat." I dunno about anyone else, but I thought plotting to blow up shiat was an ingrained part of American culture since time immemorial, so that alone would tend to demonstrate you've integrated well. (tl;dr: are you a radical Islamist, a redneck, or a patriot? hard to tell)
AkaranD: http://www.abc6.com/story/22028344/report-3-arrested-in-new-bedford-i n -connection-to-bombing-suspect Anyone able to confirm this?"Dee DeQuattroddequattro[[nospam-﹫-backwards] image 7x13]6cba[* image 7x13]comNeighbors say three have been arrested in New Bedford in connection with the Boston Bombing suspect.
Bathia_Mapes: The homeowner saw blood on the ground near the boat & alerted the authorities.
DamnYankees: To repeat, Obama saying terrorists failed because Boston refused to be intimidated and we refused to be terrorized.Give me a farking break. We cowered, just like we do at the mere thought of all terrorism. 2 kids set of a couple bombs and we competely shut down a major city, divert the national attention, deploy insane amounts of resources and top it all off by not Mirandizing the guy.I'm honestly sickened right now and the 'celebrating' all this crap.I wish I had more confidence, but we're knowingly letting innocent people starve to death in Gitmo and we not only don't help them, but a majority of AMericans probably are happy to see them die even though the US government has officially proclaimed them innocent.Label someone a terrorist in this country and I have zero confidence in our rule of law.
itazurakko: Mrtraveler01: If this Boston incident wasn't going on. The West explosion would've been the only thing the media talked about all week.This was the one week where they weren't the lead story.Hell, if the bombing hadn't happened at the marathon, we'd probably have been hearing tons of glurge about how the marathon was dedicated to the Newtown victims, mile 26 for 26 victims, on endless endless endless repeat, until the fertilizer plant went up and only THEN that would have been the main story.
studebaker hoch: [pbs.twimg.com image 600x800] Now watch 'im jump when I do this...
al's hat: Fissile: al's hat: BullBearMS: that bosnian sniper: DamnYankees: To repeat......as I was just mentioning when the last thread got kiboshed, considering the media's batting average this week I'm hardly surprised they'd cite it as they did. And, if it's the AG's spouting that crap, I'm genuinely disappointed -- but hardly surprised -- in them they'd continue this Bush-era bullshiat.The kid is a naturalized citizen. He has rights, deserves his day in court and so does Boston and the rest of the country. We're not frickin' Syria.After the Madrid bombings in Spain, they caught the criminals gave them an open trial in a real court of law and found them guilty.After the London bombings, they caught the criminals, gave them a public trial in a real court of law and found them guilty.After the Mumbai bombings in India, they caught the criminals, gave them a public trial in a real court of law and found them guilty.How about we not be a bunch of pussies this time, America?So are you suggesting a stoning in front of the Old State House?-----------------I suggesting we turn him over to Putin's goons. I'd pay to see the look on his face as he's dragged on to the Aeroflot plane. Bye-bye, and don't forget to write.Considering the number of American citizens' lives he has affected there are probably a whole bunch of folks who would like to see him face justice here in the good ol' US of A. I'm glad they got him alive and I hope he spills his guts about who, what, where, why, and when before he gets convicted and sentenced. If a federal jury sentences him to death and he sits on death row in solitary confinement with no privileges for 20+ years before his appeals are exhausted, so much the better.
GAT_00: An entire city's police force failed to find a guy hiding in a boat 5 miles away from where they lost him the first time, and that's after taking away the rights of the entire city of Boston. It's amazing how badly this was handled.
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