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2013-04-19 11:11:44 PM  
Not really into "celebrating" this. I'm glad the suspects are dealt with, but there could be more out there.
Also, people have been seriously hurt or killed.

We weren't the ones killed! PARTY TIME!

irishman4: liberals piss me off.


You live in MA. That's like complaining about the cold in Antarctica.
 
2013-04-19 11:11:48 PM  

mainstreet62: *offer not valid when the Patriots play the New York Giants in the Super Bowl.


Ha ha. That is never getting old.

/Giants fan
 
2013-04-19 11:11:48 PM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Glenford: Revek: Crap they took him  alive.

I want this prick to live the rest of his life behind bars. Death is the easy way out.

That, and there's the "72 virgins" factor.  Of course the ones that died are going to find that "paradise" has a much hotter climate than they bargained for, but the idea of martyrdom will still motivate the next idiot who wants to kill some infidels.


And of course they will also find that instead of raping eternal victims in Allah's eternal whorehouse that they are the eternal victims in Lucifer's eternal brothel

/actually an atheist.
 
2013-04-19 11:12:13 PM  
This was the best season of '24' ever!

/seriously, I'm glad they got this guy alive; hope he can still talk
 
2013-04-19 11:12:16 PM  

Kittypie070: VAW-116 Hawkeye Squadron's video of Outkast's Hey Ya

DJ Kittypie here with....a party tune from the recent past, going out this evening to the Boston Police Department, the citizens of the city of Boston, the great state of Massachusets, the runners of the Boston Marathon, the FBI, and lastly, in the final position of honour, to the students, staff and police force of the Massachusets Institute of Technology. Y'all know who I'm talkin' about.

Let the grieving find strength in knowing that joy will return in its proper time.

Let the joyous celebrate mightily.

Let the fools wonder WTF is going on....and....

Let the light of justice ennoble the land.


Somehow I don't think  joy will ever return to the family of the 8 year old that was killed... If he is found guilty, he should be sent out for a lifetime torture sentence in gitmo...
 
2013-04-19 11:12:43 PM  

thisisyourbrainonFark: TommyymmoT: skinink: One of my heroes for today:
[img607.imageshack.us image 800x742]

Absolutely!

Seconded.


I was going to thank them, but apparently they are already receiving adulations, worldwide.
 
2013-04-19 11:12:48 PM  

wombatsrus: [c.o0bg.com image 425x637]
I blame the hipsters.


Asshat deserved to die for his dbag fashion sense alone...
 
2013-04-19 11:13:00 PM  

skullkrusher: Via Infinito: skullkrusher: BullBearMS: skullkrusher: his farkhead - HOLY CRAP IT'S GONNA BE DIFF... nah, it'll be a real court of law trial

Just like all those people in Gitmo and our much larger political prison in Afghanistan got?

I wonder if there's a difference. Maybe you can help me out. What's different between the cases I listed and people in Gitmo? Do we flip a coin to decide if they get US civilian courts or Gitmo or is there some different mechanism at work?

OOH I know!!!! *raises hand* PICK ME!!!!

yes, Miss Infinito?


Ok, so I was thinking the enemy combatant thing is tough. Not really sure exactly what those guys did or how they were involved in bad stuff. But pretty sure we can't let them go. Can't charge them with anything either. Hmmm. Let's put them in Gitmo and hope a solution to this issue magically appears out of thin air. Profit?

The other guys you mentioned... Well, damn. Most (NOT ALL) of them were Americans and there was lots of evidence they actually did the horrific crimes they were accused of. Easier to have a trial with evidence than with unicorn farts and rainbows.
 
2013-04-19 11:13:08 PM  
You know, years ago we had a thread on Fark where some M1 Abrams was being used to handle some Iraqi insurgents in a basement.  The Iraqis all gathered behind the tank to marvel at it, even as some American soldiers tried to shoo them away.  Then "bam", either an IED goes off or the Abrams fired its main gun and kicked a shower of masonry and broken glass that resulted in some people in the crowd getting farked up.  I forget which, but I remember the thread being full of comments along the lines of "You stupid farks, don't stand behind the main battle tank."

Today I learned Boston sucks because they weren't all standing behind the Bearcat.
 
2013-04-19 11:13:11 PM  

lowrez: He has probably lost a lot of blood. They should consider surgically removing his arms & legs to save his life.


Probably.  Not to mention his penis.  But really, if you want to make someone truly miserable. just take out their thyroid and don't replace the hormone.
 
2013-04-19 11:13:15 PM  

megalynn44: As someone who has been out all evening and is unaware of any details other that "we got him", can someone please sum up what has happened?

How did they figure out he was in the boat?
Did he surrender or was he caught? I though I saw a snipet of video showing a flag waved from a boat but have no context of it.
Did he start shooting at them/ Why did they have to shoot him in order to arrest him?
Other than the fact that he is in serious condition do we know anything else?
Did he speak with police at any time before they apprehended him?


The homeowner saw blood on the ground near the boat & alerted the authorities. It's been suggested that he was wounded in the shootout that killed his brother last night. They had a negotiator from Quantico, but that person wasn't successful. My understanding is that they let the suspect pass out from blood loss and then took him into custody and brought in the ambulance & paramedics.
 
2013-04-19 11:13:27 PM  

Bonanza Jellybean: mainstreet62: *offer not valid when the Patriots play the New York Giants in the Super Bowl.

Ha ha. That is never getting old.

/Giants fan


18-1

/is it too soon to start doing this kind of stuff again?
 
2013-04-19 11:14:07 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Long answer: Yes, because Miranda is only to ADVISE you of your rights. Your rights are guaranteed in the constitution. The Miranda warning is only given because (based on the case) some people are unaware of their rights, or not aware they have them, or not given the option to exercise them--but you always have them, because the 5th and 6th Amendment are always in play. If this kid wakes up from surgery and they start talking to him and he says "STFU, go away, I want a lawyer," then even if they haven't read his rights, they have to STFU and go away. They don't get to say "Ha ha! You don't have any rights yet because we didn't read them to you!"


I like how you went to "you have rights, and Miranda is there to make sure you know them" to "that's why nobody has to tell you your rights with Miranda!"
 
2013-04-19 11:14:20 PM  
I mean, older brother apparently wanted to box for Chechnya (which even HE didn't really live in at conscious ages AT ALL but only intermediate countries) and only if that doesn't happen, okay then for the US... being a late-childhood (16 y.o.) immigrant, supposedly didn't fit in so well and had other Russian friends only, sounds like he had some pretty major identity issues, and sadly that led to bad ends, I can imagine someone like that thinking they're gonna fight for the homeland (but without any actual meaningful contact there even, just all 100% weird idealism)...  it's sad all around, really.

If that's even what it is. :|
 
2013-04-19 11:14:31 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Awesome, now that this is done, my local news is telling me that the rivers near me (Mississippi River) are about to flood.


I know someone selling a boat for real cheap. Slightly used, needs new cover and upholstery. Interested?
 
2013-04-19 11:14:37 PM  

Clark W Griswald: scottydoesntknow: Clark W Griswald: US. Taking your rights away one nut bag at a time.

What rights were taken away?

Shutting down boston and all the future US cities to come. It's a precedent now and will continue in the future whether you believe it or not.


Seriously? Who else is biatching about the actions taken besides you? You don't even live here, why's it such a concern?

Cities can be shut down in a state of emergency. The fact that one of the guys murdered a cop, then went on a high speed chase throwing explosives out the window showed they were willing to take down as many people as possible (besides the marathon bombing of course). I believe that is a state of emergency.
 
2013-04-19 11:14:53 PM  

TommyymmoT: skinink: One of my heroes for today:
[img607.imageshack.us image 800x742]

Absolutely!


If it's like every other website of that format, uploaders can choose to disable ads.
Of course, that means he wouldn't get paid.
I left that after getting a full 50s of ads while something was happening.
 
2013-04-19 11:15:04 PM  

SundaesChild: Bonanza Jellybean: I hope dude's totes adorbs kitty is okay (from his twitter):

[pbs.twimg.com image 448x600][pbs.twimg.com image 448x600]

It that really his cat?  I want it.  It doesn't look like a terrorist.


Yeah, and if you saw a picture of Dzhokhar a couple weeks ago you'd think he was a cute and innocent kid too. Don't be deceived by looks - the cat probably planned the whole thing.
 
2013-04-19 11:15:09 PM  

Mad_Radhu: /Seriously, though, I'm cool with the thought of him spending the next 80 years full of regret and sadness. unable to even kill himself to end his sad life. All he has to look forward to is his body slowly decaying away until he dies alone and unloved, haunted by the thoughts of the life he could have had.


That's always struck me as odd...pro-death penalty opponents (many) seem to think that life in jail is somehow less of a punishment than execution...

Which would you prefer, people?  And if it's death you prefer, you'll still be able to achieve that goal with a life sentence.
 
2013-04-19 11:15:21 PM  

Lerxst2k: This was the best season of '24' ever!

/seriously, I'm glad they got this guy alive; hope he can still talk


That was four seasons worth of episodes with a couple of bonus movies in between seasons.

And if Jack Bauer was real, the guy wouldn't be alive right now.  Or he'd be getting tortured right now.  FFS he tortured his own brother!

/send in the interrogation package
 
2013-04-19 11:15:40 PM  

GAT_00: Gyrfalcon: Long answer: Yes, because Miranda is only to ADVISE you of your rights. Your rights are guaranteed in the constitution. The Miranda warning is only given because (based on the case) some people are unaware of their rights, or not aware they have them, or not given the option to exercise them--but you always have them, because the 5th and 6th Amendment are always in play. If this kid wakes up from surgery and they start talking to him and he says "STFU, go away, I want a lawyer," then even if they haven't read his rights, they have to STFU and go away. They don't get to say "Ha ha! You don't have any rights yet because we didn't read them to you!"

I like how you went to "you have rights, and Miranda is there to make sure you know them" to "that's why nobody has to tell you your rights with Miranda!"


I honestly don't know how you got that out of what he posted.
 
2013-04-19 11:15:55 PM  

GAT_00: Gyrfalcon: Long answer: Yes, because Miranda is only to ADVISE you of your rights. Your rights are guaranteed in the constitution. The Miranda warning is only given because (based on the case) some people are unaware of their rights, or not aware they have them, or not given the option to exercise them--but you always have them, because the 5th and 6th Amendment are always in play. If this kid wakes up from surgery and they start talking to him and he says "STFU, go away, I want a lawyer," then even if they haven't read his rights, they have to STFU and go away. They don't get to say "Ha ha! You don't have any rights yet because we didn't read them to you!"

I like how you went to "you have rights, and Miranda is there to make sure you know them" to "that's why nobody has to tell you your rights with Miranda!"


Don't you have to go tell the Joint Chiefs of Staff how to run a war or something? Or direct cleanup operations in West, TX? We don't need you here.
 
2013-04-19 11:16:02 PM  

RenownedCurator: Short answer: oil. The whole situation is a longstanding clusterfark. But it's true that there's a big ethnic and cultural gap there; I'm pretty sure these guys (well, the one remaining guy) wouldn't be happy to be described as Russian either.


Pretty much this.  Something which most American don't understand from around the world is that ethnic differences are a very real thing.  Although they may be part of the same government; ethically, they consider themselves very different people.  Those people have been there for centuries and they consider themselves very different.  They don't have the same nationalistic perspective that Americans have.  Their loyalties are very different.

I see, finally, that some news sources are starting to cover this difference though.

For some general reference:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_theater_hostage_crisis 

/this guy is an American citizen and should by tried as such
 
2013-04-19 11:16:05 PM  
theknuckler_33:
What is your criteria for this? You didn't exactly offer any justification in your post.

Well, first there is the question of how the hell did the suspect escape from the first shootout to begin with? They have the guy pinned down with live fire! That is bumbling. Period. Second, we also need to look at their tactical response. They have a wounded suspect, mostly likely on foot, who has been leaving a blood trail and their response is to shut the whole area down. That is panic. Pure and simple. It reflected no logic, no use of tactical intelligence, and was massive overkill for a guy who spent all day passed out in a boat. Their solution was simply brutish. Worse, as it turns out, the whole lock down backfired because if the citizen had felt free to roan his property sooner the suspect would have been found sooner. Again, massive bumbling.

All well that ends well. But the fact is that should give one a sense of relief, not jumping for joy with ponies.
 
2013-04-19 11:16:21 PM  

jaylectricity: I wonder if the "playing possum" press conference lulled the suspect into a sense of comfort.


I doubt he had CNN in that boat, maybe on his phone or something but I doubt it.

It's more likely they did that because they figured someone might see him then, putting people in danger while also increasing the chance that they catch him and capture him.
 
2013-04-19 11:16:35 PM  
ih1.redbubble.net

Ok. Are we done now? Can we stop these threads? Ok?
 
2013-04-19 11:16:44 PM  
Can't wait for the movie.
 
2013-04-19 11:16:58 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Clark W Griswald: scottydoesntknow: Clark W Griswald: US. Taking your rights away one nut bag at a time.

What rights were taken away?

Shutting down boston and all the future US cities to come. It's a precedent now and will continue in the future whether you believe it or not.

Seriously? Who else is biatching about the actions taken besides you? You don't even live here, why's it such a concern?


Wait, I apologize, didn't realize GAT had the same position as you. That's some great backup.
 
2013-04-19 11:17:11 PM  

DamnYankees: To repeat,  Obama saying terrorists failed because Boston refused to be intimidated and we refused to be terrorized.

Give me a farking break. We cowered, just like we do at the mere thought of all terrorism. 2 kids set of a couple bombs and we competely shut down a major city, divert the national attention, deploy insane amounts of resources and top it all off by not Mirandizing the guy.

I'm honestly sickened right now and the 'celebrating' all this crap.

I wish I had more confidence, but we're knowingly letting innocent people starve to death in Gitmo and we not only don't help them, but a majority of AMericans probably are happy to see them die even though the US government has officially proclaimed them innocent.

Label someone a terrorist in this country and I have zero confidence in our rule of law.


Oh Man up, Natilda.  They didn't kill him.  It's a victory for the rule of law.

I understand you have to keep up the Hate America First facade, but this is a proper resolution.
 
2013-04-19 11:17:17 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Mad_Radhu: /Seriously, though, I'm cool with the thought of him spending the next 80 years full of regret and sadness. unable to even kill himself to end his sad life. All he has to look forward to is his body slowly decaying away until he dies alone and unloved, haunted by the thoughts of the life he could have had.

That's always struck me as odd...pro-death penalty opponents (many) seem to think that life in jail is somehow less of a punishment than execution...

Which would you prefer, people?  And if it's death you prefer, you'll still be able to achieve that goal with a life sentence.


Life in prison is not a pleasant alternative.
 
2013-04-19 11:17:18 PM  
It's just like sports!

It's something I had nothing to do with, doesn't affect me at all, but since it's reported in the media and I rooted for a side, I'm a winner!

Now, show me an ad to convince me to buy some beer!
 
2013-04-19 11:17:32 PM  
Novart: Didn't something happen in Texas recently, a guy lost his fertilizer or something?
     
DamnYankees: Exactly - way more death and destruction there. But we dont care as much since there isn't an enemy to label and worry about.

 Via Infinito: Do you really not get the difference? People in Texas don't need to do a city-wide manhunt to stop marauding fertilizer plants from exploding.

The initial explosion was national news but it's really a local story at this point. There's about a 99% chance this was an industrial accident. It really only affects the people nearby and their loved ones. Now if it does turn out that it was a terrorist attack, it's national news again.

I'm in Texas and it's still a major story here and we care very much. People are giving blood and raising money and donating supplies.

The Marathon bombing is a national story. It's a premier sporting event that draws people from around the country and all over the world. This was a terrorist attack on U.S. soil, an attack on the entire U.S. and it affects everyone in the country.
 
2013-04-19 11:18:20 PM  
A reporter on CNN keeps pronouncing ambulance as AM Boo Lance.
 
2013-04-19 11:18:35 PM  

worlddan: theknuckler_33:
What is your criteria for this? You didn't exactly offer any justification in your post.

Well, first there is the question of how the hell did the suspect escape from the first shootout to begin with? They have the guy pinned down with live fire! That is bumbling. Period. Second, we also need to look at their tactical response. They have a wounded suspect, mostly likely on foot, who has been leaving a blood trail and their response is to shut the whole area down. That is panic. Pure and simple. It reflected no logic, no use of tactical intelligence, and was massive overkill for a guy who spent all day passed out in a boat. Their solution was simply brutish. Worse, as it turns out, the whole lock down backfired because if the citizen had felt free to roan his property sooner the suspect would have been found sooner. Again, massive bumbling.

All well that ends well. But the fact is that should give one a sense of relief, not jumping for joy with ponies.


Maybe you should join up with another Farker on this thread and start running police operations. From what I can tell, you seem to know exactly how to catch someone at night in a live-fire situation and track a wounded suspect through an urban environment, without interrupting anyone's daily routine. Why not go tell everyone else what they've been doing wrong all these years?
 
2013-04-19 11:18:35 PM  
God-is-a-Taco:
If it's like every other website of that format, uploaders can choose to disable ads.


Nevermind. I checked out the site and it's the website itself doing that.
That seems like a terrible thing to do for "live shows". You suck, ustream.
 
2013-04-19 11:18:38 PM  

al's hat: BullBearMS: al's hat: So are you suggesting a stoning in front of the Old State House?

I'm suggesting we follow our own laws. We've shown a disturbing unwillingness to do that under Bush and now Obama.

We're on the same page I think.  Arrest, try, hopefully convict, and then sentence.  It's possible that there is some confusion in replies to parent comments going on.  I've seen a few odd things when trying to reply to comments this evening.


Yes. That is exactly the way you do.

Every other western democracy has managed to respond to terrorist attacks while staying within their system of law. We're the asshats that responded with torture and disappearing people into political prisons. It's embarrassing.
 
2013-04-19 11:18:38 PM  

GAT_00: Jesterling: worlddan: High Fives for what? Near as I can tell it was a lot of wasted tax dollars. The police didn't even find him, some guy checking his yard did. Just think, if the police hadn't scared the hell out of everyone and so they stayed inside he would have been found hours ago. Well, more overtime for all the police; I can't wait to see the bill on that. I bet the police union will want a new contract now. For nothing. If these dimwits bombers had even half a brain they never would have been caught be these stooges.

EMBARRASSING

[www.charlock.org image 571x570]

An entire city's police force failed to find a guy hiding in a boat 5 miles away from where they lost him the first time, and that's after taking away the rights of the entire city of Boston.  It's amazing how badly this was handled.


I can NOT believe you are forcing me to agree with goofysavior. Dude... This was handled just about as well as could have possibly been expected. Seriously, what exactly was badly handled?
 
2013-04-19 11:18:39 PM  

Glenford: Revek: Crap they took him  alive.

I want this prick to live the rest of his life behind bars. Death is the easy way out.


And I want YOU to pay to house him in prison for the rest of his miserable life. Execution is the fiscally responsible way out.
Please tell me why this shiat stain deserves to live. Please!
 
2013-04-19 11:18:52 PM  

DamnYankees: Novart: Didn't something happen in Texas recently, a guy lost his fertilizer or something?

Exactly - way more death and destruction there. But we dont care as much since there isn't an enemy to label and worry about.


Are you sure about that?  IIRC the cause of the disaster hasn't been determined yet...
 
2013-04-19 11:19:09 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: It's just like sports!

It's something I had nothing to do with, doesn't affect me at all, but since it's reported in the media and I rooted for a side, I'm a winner!

Now, show me an ad to convince me to buy some beer!


USA! USA! USA!
 
2013-04-19 11:19:35 PM  

ha-ha-guy: firefly212: ha-ha-guy: firefly212: I still say we should extradite him to China and let them try him for killing a Chinese national (and he can serve out his sentence) before coming back here to be tried for his crimes against US citizens. It'd be a show of good will on our part, and a demonstration by China that wherever their citizens are, the Chinese government will protect them as much as possible under the law.

Unless that girl was the daughter of some official, quite possible given she was able to come overseas for education, the Chinese government gives roughly zero shiats about this, aside from using it as domestic PR about how America is still the wild west and barely civilized.

They give two shiats about looking serious about being a superpower, and being able to protect their citizens even when they're abroad.
They want global influence, and I think this would be a nice way to give them some.

If he falls into their hands, they'll put a bullet in his head, but they're not going to make some spectacle out of it.  You talk about how they want status and all that, they'd just talk about how we didn't have the balls to give the the guy the needle, so they had to do it for us and flex their muscles.  They'd see zero gain from killing him over one dead and one wounded Chinese girl.  Just some perks from making us look pussy whipped.

/I mean they bury the train cars on sight to hide how many people died, human life is seen as cheap in China


I've been looking at Chinese papers all week via thepaperboy.com and I've seen zero photos of Lu Lingzi in them. The pages tend to be pretty text-heavy, and I don't read characters as well as I'd like, but you'd think that if the papers (and the government they're answerable to) actually did give two shiats about her, you'd see a photo or two.
 
2013-04-19 11:19:38 PM  

Phins: There's about a 99% chance this [West, Texas fertilizer plant explosion] was an industrial accident.


At which point absolutely the investigation is important, to find out "can we prevent similar accidents in future?" - nationally important, but not front page nationally important.
 
2013-04-19 11:19:42 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: thatboyoverthere: and is on tape dropping the bomb is more then enough.

Has anyone actually seen this tape of them dropping off the bombs? Do you think we ever will?


Unless I'm on the jury, I don't particularly mind if I don't see the tape.  In fact what difference does it make?  They don't have to convince me - or the entire population of planet earth - for a conviction, just the jury.

However, the fella from photo #8, asked for pen & paper when he came round from surgery and wrote: "bag, saw the guy, looked right at me."  And gave the investigators a description which [in part anyway], they were to use in narrowing the search through the masses of film & photos & whatnot.  I suspect his eye witness testimony will be somewhat compelling, what with having no legs now.
 
2013-04-19 11:19:52 PM  
Was the boat within the 20-block lockdown area?
 
2013-04-19 11:19:54 PM  

ongbok: Can't wait for the movie.


Who'll play his prom date?
 
2013-04-19 11:19:56 PM  

zabadu: A reporter on CNN keeps pronouncing ambulance as AM Boo Lance.


AMBER LAMPS!!!  Call tha AMBER LAMPS!!!
 
2013-04-19 11:20:04 PM  

Phins: Novart: Didn't something happen in Texas recently, a guy lost his fertilizer or something?

DamnYankees: Exactly - way more death and destruction there. But we dont care as much since there isn't an enemy to label and worry about.

 Via Infinito: Do you really not get the difference? People in Texas don't need to do a city-wide manhunt to stop marauding fertilizer plants from exploding.

The initial explosion was national news but it's really a local story at this point. There's about a 99% chance this was an industrial accident. It really only affects the people nearby and their loved ones. Now if it does turn out that it was a terrorist attack, it's national news again.

I'm in Texas and it's still a major story here and we care very much. People are giving blood and raising money and donating supplies.

The Marathon bombing is a national story. It's a premier sporting event that draws people from around the country and all over the world. This was a terrorist attack on U.S. soil, an attack on the entire U.S. and it affects everyone in the country.


How DARE you bring perspective into this!
 
2013-04-19 11:20:10 PM  
mayorettes.com

I hab the rights. Not yours.
 
2013-04-19 11:20:25 PM  
 
2013-04-19 11:20:26 PM  

Clark W Griswald: scottydoesntknow: Clark W Griswald: US. Taking your rights away one nut bag at a time.

What rights were taken away?

Shutting down boston and all the future US cities to come. It's a precedent now and will continue in the future whether you believe it or not.


It was the local cops that SHUT DOWN ANYTHING and local authority shutting down parts, if not all of a town, is nothing new, happens quite often in winter after a major snow storm, or in other areas where other natural and sometime man-made disasters happen.

Hell just a few weeks ago they shut down Duluth because of a snow storm, told everybody to stay indoors and told outsiders to stay out. So no precedent was set today.
 
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