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2013-04-19 10:57:46 PM

Maximer: So... on an aside... My wife is Russian and she is royally pissed that the media is saying the Chechens are Russians. Whether you agree or not, the Russian people want nothing to do with these people (the bombers) or the Chechens in general.


Well who would want to take credit for these jackasses? Their own family kept their distance for the most part.
 
2013-04-19 10:57:48 PM

irishman4: liberals piss me off.


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-04-19 10:57:49 PM
Just got a report saying he is 'severely injured'. Hope it's true.
 
2013-04-19 10:57:59 PM

skullkrusher: his farkhead - HOLY CRAP IT'S GONNA BE DIFF... nah, it'll be a real court of law trial


Just like all those people in Gitmo and our much larger political prison in Afghanistan got?
 
2013-04-19 10:58:05 PM
You have the right to remain silent. You have the right to have your face kicked in by me. You have the right to have your balls stomped on by him.
 
2013-04-19 10:58:08 PM

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: These assholes were driving around throwing grenades and IEDs out the windows, wearing suicide vests, getting into shootouts with (and killing) cops, and many of you are pretending to think some major constitutional violation occurred today because the police said, "everybody should stay inside for 12 hours."  Amazing.

These chucklefarks ended up only killing four people, were identified within two or three days, and neutralized within four days, and yet many of you are pretending to think that any constitutional protections short of "killed on site" are just annoying red tape to be ignored.  Also amazing.


They suck.  Had the second been killed on site, I don't think anyone would have batted an eyelash.  However, the bottom line is that not one thing you mentioned is an exception to the constitutional rights we, as citizens, all enjoy.  If you don't how the United States Constitution is written, seek to have it amended or farking leave.
 
2013-04-19 10:58:11 PM
US. Taking your rights away one nut bag at a time.
 
2013-04-19 10:58:12 PM
Send him to me.

inmate1972.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-04-19 10:58:18 PM

dbirchall: A couple astrophysicist friends (one of them a long-time friend) who work at Hahvahd live in Watertown, within 2 miles of the boat.  They actually got back into town from a conference right around the time of the bombings, and geez are we all glad to see them safe at the end of this.

Stone Meadow said in the last thread, "This is the new face of radical Islam...pretend to be well-integrated citizens while you plot to blow up shiat."  I dunno about anyone else, but I thought plotting to blow up shiat was an ingrained part of American culture since time immemorial, so that alone would tend to demonstrate you've integrated well.  (tl;dr: are you a radical Islamist, a redneck, or a patriot? hard to tell)


They may have "integrated well"--but not too wisely. Usually it's better, if you're a radical extremist, to make people aware of your cause FIRST, and THEN blow something up. It's generally counterproductive to blow something up first and only then discover that nobody in your target area has the first clue about "Chechnya? Where the f*ck is Chechnya? Is that part of China?"
 
2013-04-19 10:58:41 PM

yukichigai: Stoj: Turns out no Miranda rights after all.

Thanks Obama!

Let's just nip this in the bud:

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/law-enforcement-bulle ti n/february2011/legal_digest

The feds can legally question him about things which are of an immediate concern to public safety, like say all those damn bombs he and his brother scattered around the place.  None of what they ask him can be used in court, and if they stray away from questions concerning public safety the feds can have the crap sued out of them.

They aren't Mirandizing him because it's more important to find the rest of the bombs than it is to build a case against him.  Once they clear the area he'll be read his rights.


That and Miranda rights only deal with confessions. I think the fact he shot at the cops, has bombs in his apartment and is on tape dropping the bomb is more then enough.
 
2013-04-19 10:58:42 PM
They got him alive after unloading all that lead. Either that kid is the luckiest kid in Boston or the Boston PD employs Imperial Stormtroopers.

Hope he's going to be okay. I want that kid to talk about everything he knows, if for nothing else than to keep my crazy relative with too many cats from sending me all those FWD: FWD: Fwd: RE: FWD: FWD: fwd ITS A CONSPIRACY e-mails.
 
2013-04-19 10:58:50 PM

Maximer: Whether you agree or not, the Russian people want nothing to do with these people (the bombers) or the Chechens in general.


They sure wanted their land and resources a couple of decades ago, but then that whole Soviet Union thing collapsed...
 
2013-04-19 10:59:03 PM
"We bring you this exclusive interview with a bimbo who used to have her nails done by the mother"

Bleargh!
 
2013-04-19 10:59:16 PM

irishman4: liberals piss me off.


i18.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-19 10:59:19 PM

Clark W Griswald: US. Taking your rights away one nut bag at a time.


What rights were taken away?
 
2013-04-19 10:59:27 PM

Maximer: So... on an aside... My wife is Russian and she is royally pissed that the media is saying the Chechens are Russians. Whether you agree or not, the Russian people want nothing to do with these people (the bombers) or the Chechens in general.


If they want nothing to do with them, why do they keep around Chechnya as a territory instead of cutting them loose and fortifying the border? Like it or not, it's a part of Russia.
 
2013-04-19 10:59:42 PM

worlddan: High Fives for what? Near as I can tell it was a lot of wasted tax dollars. The police didn't even find him, some guy checking his yard did. Just think, if the police hadn't scared the hell out of everyone and so they stayed inside he would have been found hours ago. Well, more overtime for all the police; I can't wait to see the bill on that. I bet the police union will want a new contract now. For nothing. If these dimwits bombers had even half a brain they never would have been caught be these stooges.

EMBARRASSING


3/10 you'll probably get a few bites, but you need to work on your subtlety.
 
2013-04-19 10:59:49 PM

Mad_Radhu: skullkrusher: BullBearMS: that bosnian sniper: DamnYankees: To repeat...

...as I was just mentioning when the last thread got kiboshed, considering the media's batting average this week I'm hardly surprised they'd cite it as they did. And, if it's the AG's spouting that crap, I'm genuinely disappointed -- but hardly surprised -- in them they'd continue this Bush-era bullshiat.

The kid is a naturalized citizen. He has rights, deserves his day in court and so does Boston and the rest of the country. We're not frickin' Syria.

After the Madrid bombings in Spain, they caught the criminals gave them an open trial in a real court of law and found them guilty.

After the London bombings, they caught the criminals, gave them a public trial in a real court of law and found them guilty.

After the Mumbai bombings in India, they caught the criminals, gave them a public trial in a real court of law and found them guilty.

How about we not be a bunch of pussies this time, America?

there's no indication we won't.

McVeigh - real court of law trial
Beltway sniper - real court of law trial
Underwear bomber - real court of law trial
Richard Reid - real court of law trial
This farkhead - HOLY CRAP IT'S GONNA BE DIFF... nah, it'll be a real court of law trial

Fark that court of law shiat! BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!

/Seriously, though, I'm cool with the thought of him spending the next 80 years full of regret and sadness. unable to even kill himself to end his sad life. All he has to look forward to is his body slowly decaying away until he dies alone and unloved, haunted by the thoughts of the life he could have had.


I work at a major prison. It's not a happy place, especially for high profile criminals.
 
2013-04-19 10:59:51 PM
Who is this Miranda you guys are all talking about. Is she hot?
 
2013-04-19 11:00:01 PM

worlddan: theknuckler_33:

If their investigation hadn't identified their photos on Thursday afternoon, do you think what happened today would have happened?

An interesting question. Pictures were going to come out; that was inevitable due to the nature of the bombs and the fact the younger one made no attempt to disguise his face. So it is possible the publication caused the bombers to panic but if it did that would only go to show how undisciplined the bombers were and/or their lack of foresight in planning. Let us be clear: the bombers were amateurs.

The definition of a man is "to keep your head about you when everyone else is losing theirs." That did not happen today. The fact that the bumbling caught the incompetent is not a cause for celebration but simply a matter of relief.


What is your criteria for this? You didn't exactly offer any justification in your post.
 
2013-04-19 11:00:02 PM

Glenford: Revek: Crap they took him  alive.

I want this prick to live the rest of his life behind bars. Death is the easy way out.


Well, if he gets what reid got then he will spend the rest of his natural life in a colorado supermax. Long time for a 19 year old.
 
2013-04-19 11:00:04 PM

Biological Ali: Olfin Bedwere: Fissile: Jesus H. Kristmess!  Where did these cops learn how to shoot?   Do they connect only when they're shooting at the family toy poodle and 87 year old wheel chair bound grandmothers?

I don't think they were shooting to kill. The FBI wanted this guy alive.

The impression I got was that cops (at least in the US) don't take any chances with suspects believed to be this dangerous. They use lethal force, and the only things that can save the suspect are a clear and unambiguous surrender, or dumb luck (surviving after getting shot in the head etc.)


As a life long American (and friend with many American cops) I can say... pretty much.  Yep.  Pretty much.

Americans are quite cordial in public, but when shiat hits the fan we're quite ruthless people.  Don't know if this is a pro or con.
 
2013-04-19 11:00:14 PM

Fissile: al's hat: BullBearMS: that bosnian sniper: DamnYankees: To repeat...

...as I was just mentioning when the last thread got kiboshed, considering the media's batting average this week I'm hardly surprised they'd cite it as they did. And, if it's the AG's spouting that crap, I'm genuinely disappointed -- but hardly surprised -- in them they'd continue this Bush-era bullshiat.

The kid is a naturalized citizen. He has rights, deserves his day in court and so does Boston and the rest of the country. We're not frickin' Syria.

After the Madrid bombings in Spain, they caught the criminals gave them an open trial in a real court of law and found them guilty.

After the London bombings, they caught the criminals, gave them a public trial in a real court of law and found them guilty.

After the Mumbai bombings in India, they caught the criminals, gave them a public trial in a real court of law and found them guilty.

How about we not be a bunch of pussies this time, America?

So are you suggesting a stoning in front of the Old State House?

-----------------

I suggesting we turn him over to Putin's goons.  I'd pay to see the look on his face as he's dragged on to the Aeroflot plane.  Bye-bye, and don't forget to write.


Considering the number of American citizens' lives he has affected there are probably a whole bunch of folks who would like to see him face justice here in the good ol' US of A.  I'm glad they got him alive and I hope he spills his guts about who, what, where, why, and when before he gets convicted and sentenced.  If a federal jury sentences him to death and he sits on death row in solitary confinement with no privileges for 20+ years before his appeals are exhausted, so much the better.
 
2013-04-19 11:00:16 PM

Fissile: Send him to me.

[inmate1972.files.wordpress.com image 365x400]


I still say Putin uses this as an excuse to mercilously bomb the ever-loving shiat out of Chechnya.
 
2013-04-19 11:00:33 PM
Ah, and I see in this thread people are still pissing themselves over some miranda issue.  Wow.  It is absolutely surreal how much influence cheesy TV shows have over some people's perception of reality.
 
2013-04-19 11:00:34 PM

Beerguy: djkutch: Beerguy: For anyone that cares, I just uploaded my "Salute to Law Enforcement In Boston" video here

http://youtu.be/qXr61-WE5UI

Fascinating...a wild Farker caught on film in the natural environment.

I am a handsome s.o.b, aren't I ?


Best camouflage I've ever seen :-)
 
2013-04-19 11:00:36 PM
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More dramatic with arrows pointing at straps, labels and whatnot.
 
2013-04-19 11:00:52 PM

BullBearMS: skullkrusher: his farkhead - HOLY CRAP IT'S GONNA BE DIFF... nah, it'll be a real court of law trial

Just like all those people in Gitmo and our much larger political prison in Afghanistan got?


I wonder if there's a difference. Maybe you can help me out. What's different between the cases I listed and people in Gitmo? Do we flip a coin to decide if they get US civilian courts or Gitmo or is there some different mechanism at work?
 
2013-04-19 11:00:55 PM

Fissile: Send him to me.

[inmate1972.files.wordpress.com image 365x400]


I will make small boy sad for country, ha ha.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-04-19 11:00:57 PM

kayanlau: Who is this Miranda you guys are all talking about. Is she hot?


Yes, but she doesn't talk much.
 
2013-04-19 11:01:04 PM
Hey- I'm a bit behind, Japan timezone here.  I fell asleep when they were dealing with the 60-70 yer old guy apparently holding a deadman switch.. Now I can't seem to find any follow-up on that.  Anyone know how that ended up playing out?
 
2013-04-19 11:01:12 PM
http://howiecarrshow.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/0U0ozqt-1.jpg

I am sure big brother is looking forward to their upcoming reunion.

(Warning: Graphic!)
 
2013-04-19 11:01:16 PM

Uakronkid: Maximer: So... on an aside... My wife is Russian and she is royally pissed that the media is saying the Chechens are Russians. Whether you agree or not, the Russian people want nothing to do with these people (the bombers) or the Chechens in general.

If they want nothing to do with them, why do they keep around Chechnya as a territory instead of cutting them loose and fortifying the border? Like it or not, it's a part of Russia.


So you're saying Chechnya is Russia's Texas?

/Texan
 
2013-04-19 11:01:28 PM
TNT playing the Dark Knight. I'm sure somebody is gonna have a problem w/ that...
 
2013-04-19 11:01:37 PM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Ah, and I see in this thread people are still pissing themselves over some miranda issue.  Wow.  It is absolutely surreal how much influence cheesy TV shows have over some people's perception of reality.


Like he needs an excuse.
 
2013-04-19 11:01:50 PM

thatboyoverthere: That and Miranda rights only deal with confessions. I think the fact he shot at the cops, has bombs in his apartment and is on tape dropping the bomb is more then enough.


Self-incriminating statements of anykind, and the suspect still must be  in compos mentis at the time they were mirandized.

Chill, brochacho.
 
2013-04-19 11:02:06 PM

Biological Ali: Olfin Bedwere: Fissile: Jesus H. Kristmess!  Where did these cops learn how to shoot?   Do they connect only when they're shooting at the family toy poodle and 87 year old wheel chair bound grandmothers?

I don't think they were shooting to kill. The FBI wanted this guy alive.

The impression I got was that cops (at least in the US) don't take any chances with suspects believed to be this dangerous. They use lethal force, and the only things that can save the suspect are a clear and unambiguous surrender, or dumb luck (surviving after getting shot in the head etc.)


HRT, the FBI team that took him out, is basically an end run on the whole exception we can't used American military forces on domestic soil.  They train with Delta and at any given time many of the guys on HRT did time in SOCOM prior to retiring from the military and getting a job with the FBI.  We unleashed the next best thing to SEAL 6 on a 19 year old who was bleeding to teeth in a partially shrink wrapped boat.  The local pukes are very much the hail of bullet types, but I'd imagine half of HRT was thinking "Well if you aren't some pathetic little wannabe Taliban fighter. I stacked farks like you waist high in Afghanistan."  I doubt they felt much pressure to employ lethal force out of fear for their own lives.

/for example HRT was yelling at the local cops not to turn on the floodlights because they all had nightvision goggles and knew how to use them
 
2013-04-19 11:02:11 PM

Glenford: Revek: Crap they took him  alive.

I want this prick to live the rest of his life behind bars.


Living like Drew isn't *that* punishing. Unless you happen to be a liver.
 
2013-04-19 11:02:17 PM

Ghastly: They got him alive after unloading all that lead. Either that kid is the luckiest kid in Boston or the Boston PD employs Imperial Stormtroopers.

Hope he's going to be okay. I want that kid to talk about everything he knows, if for nothing else than to keep my crazy relative with too many cats from sending me all those FWD: FWD: Fwd: RE: FWD: FWD: fwd ITS A CONSPIRACY e-mails.


If a simple confession stopped those effing emails from my redneck family, my inbox would be empty.  Unfortunately, even the most honest confession still gets a deluge of false flag/Obama muslim/right wing/left wing/middle wing/tea party/dress up party/fill in the blank here conspiracy theory emails.  Complete with no less than 42 FWDs in the subject line.  And blinky graphics.
 
2013-04-19 11:02:24 PM

Maximer: So... on an aside... My wife is Russian and she is royally pissed that the media is saying the Chechens are Russians. Whether you agree or not, the Russian people want nothing to do with these people (the bombers) or the Chechens in general.


Except when Chechnya broke apart from Russia and Russia re-invaded them to take control of them. Sounds like *someone* in Russia wants a part of them.
 
2013-04-19 11:02:31 PM

scottydoesntknow: Uakronkid: Maximer: So... on an aside... My wife is Russian and she is royally pissed that the media is saying the Chechens are Russians. Whether you agree or not, the Russian people want nothing to do with these people (the bombers) or the Chechens in general.

If they want nothing to do with them, why do they keep around Chechnya as a territory instead of cutting them loose and fortifying the border? Like it or not, it's a part of Russia.

So you're saying Chechnya is Russia's Texas?

/Texan


It's more like Russia's crazy religious cult compound. So yeah, Texas.
 
2013-04-19 11:02:36 PM

derpy: You have the right to remain silent. You have the right to have your face kicked in by me. You have the right to have your balls stomped on by him.


I'll waive my rights.

/Is that Tommy Lasorda?
 
2013-04-19 11:02:38 PM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Ah, and I see in this thread people are still pissing themselves over some miranda issue.  Wow.  It is absolutely surreal how much influence cheesy TV shows have over some people's perception of reality.


I suppose it would be counterproductive to tell them just how many people go through arrest, jail, arraignment, pretrial services and release without ever having their Miranda rights read to them at all....
 
2013-04-19 11:03:17 PM

scottydoesntknow: Uakronkid: Maximer: So... on an aside... My wife is Russian and she is royally pissed that the media is saying the Chechens are Russians. Whether you agree or not, the Russian people want nothing to do with these people (the bombers) or the Chechens in general.

If they want nothing to do with them, why do they keep around Chechnya as a territory instead of cutting them loose and fortifying the border? Like it or not, it's a part of Russia.

So you're saying Chechnya is Russia's Texas?

/Texan


Whoops. Borked that reply.
 
2013-04-19 11:03:18 PM
He should have to donate his legs to two victims.
 
2013-04-19 11:03:19 PM

Fair_Poopsmith: Hey- I'm a bit behind, Japan timezone here.  I fell asleep when they were dealing with the 60-70 yer old guy apparently holding a deadman switch.. Now I can't seem to find any follow-up on that.  Anyone know how that ended up playing out?


I asked this before too, what happened to that guy, the last I heard they were stripping him naked with robots, then nothing.
 
2013-04-19 11:03:19 PM

skullkrusher: BullBearMS: skullkrusher: his farkhead - HOLY CRAP IT'S GONNA BE DIFF... nah, it'll be a real court of law trial

Just like all those people in Gitmo and our much larger political prison in Afghanistan got?

I wonder if there's a difference. Maybe you can help me out. What's different between the cases I listed and people in Gitmo? Do we flip a coin to decide if they get US civilian courts or Gitmo or is there some different mechanism at work?


OOH I know!!!! *raises hand* PICK ME!!!!
 
2013-04-19 11:03:20 PM
He has probably lost a lot of blood. They should consider surgically removing his arms & legs to save his life.
 
2013-04-19 11:03:23 PM

derpy: You have the right to remain silent. You have the right to have your face kicked in by me. You have the right to have your balls stomped on by him.


I waive my rights.
 
2013-04-19 11:03:26 PM

Fair_Poopsmith: Hey- I'm a bit behind, Japan timezone here.  I fell asleep when they were dealing with the 60-70 yer old guy apparently holding a deadman switch.. Now I can't seem to find any follow-up on that.  Anyone know how that ended up playing out?


As I understand it was BS someone made up. Didn't happen.
 
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