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2013-04-19 10:34:34 PM

megalynn44: As someone who has been out all evening and is unaware of any details other that "we got him", can someone please sum up what has happened?

How did they figure out he was in the boat?
Did he surrender or was he caught? I though I saw a snipet of video showing a flag waved from a boat but have no context of it. 
Did he start shooting at them/ Why did they have to shoot him in order to arrest him?
Other than the fact that he is in serious condition do we know anything else?
Did he speak with police at any time before they apprehended him?


It ended like the Unibomber.

A non-LEO told them where he was.
 
2013-04-19 10:34:42 PM
I have a complaint about the media. Is this a good place?
 
2013-04-19 10:34:44 PM

DamnYankees: To repeat,  Obama saying terrorists failed because Boston refused to be intimidated and we refused to be terrorized.

Give me a farking break. We cowered,


Bullshiat. Clearing the way for the police and investigators to do their job... and, by the way, identify and find the guys within 4 days with the help of the public... is not 'cowering'. It is supporting the effort to get the assholes who did it. Now that those who did it are taken care of, if the community still cowers, you might have a point, but I suspect, just like Obama suggested, that on Monday, life will go on like normal. Expecting people to act the very next moment as if nothing happened is preposterous. People acted just like you would expect anywhere. At least anywhere where such acts are not a daily occurrence. If you think people in, say, Iraq don't 'cower' in the face of terrorism, it is only because they don't farking do a goddamn thing to stop terrorism.
 
2013-04-19 10:34:45 PM
lest we forget about other acts of domestic terrorism, before everyone got paranoid due to the pRopaganda party
April 19 1995

i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-19 10:35:15 PM

Via Infinito: DamnYankees: Novart: Didn't something happen in Texas recently, a guy lost his fertilizer or something?

Exactly - way more death and destruction there. But we dont care as much since there isn't an enemy to label and worry about.

Do you really not get the difference? People in Texas don't need to do a city-wide manhunt to stop marauding fertilizer plants from exploding.


it was topical analogy and fark you for pointing out it was a terrible one. FARK YOU VERY MUCH
 
2013-04-19 10:35:20 PM
...And CNN goes to commercial with celebration music.
 
2013-04-19 10:35:20 PM

DamnYankees: bobbette: Shutting down the city was  smart.  It kept people out of harm's way and out of the way of the cops trying to do their jobs.  It also eliminated the possibility of people trying to take out "terrorists" themselves.  "Stay the fark home, Boston" was a good call.

And this is different from any other dangerous criminal how? Should we shut cities down whenever there's someone armed and dangerous being looked for? Because that's like 90% of the time in some major city in this country.


encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
 
2013-04-19 10:35:23 PM

GAT_00: Myria: I hope the U.S. Attorney in the press conference meant that Dzhokar won't be Mirandized right now.  In a crazy situation like this, Miranda warnings can wait for a short while until he's out of medical danger and inside a jail cell.

And I hope someone does that to you one day soon for saying that.  I promise, you'll deserve it.


Well, he's certainly enjoying his right to stay unconscious, but would probably not understand the rights as they are read to him. So, for starters, they need to give him medical treatment.
 
2013-04-19 10:35:26 PM

YodaBlues: ha-ha-guy: Revek: Crap they took him  alive.

Supposedly he's in serious condition.  It looks like he was wounded in the first shoot out, the fuzz mentioned finding a blood trail, and was limping around all day with minimal medical attention.  He also may have been wounded in the boat standoff.  I have to wonder if he surrendered to the cops or HRT just waited for loss of blood to kick in and bagged him.

Believe that's what happened. Commissioner or the Chief said at the press conference HRT attempted to negotiate, but suspect was unresponsive.


I'd imagine your body temp drops as the blood leaks out of you.  I wonder if they just had the helicopters do circles above him and wait till the thermal camera reported his body temp was below X.  Seems like an application of thermal cameras the FBI would have mastered by now.  Just wing the guy and play the waiting game.

My wife was wondering they don't have zookeeper style tranq guns, what with this guy have no cover after they ripped the wrap off the boat and things like that.
 
2013-04-19 10:35:32 PM

Via Infinito: Do you really not get the difference? People in Texas don't need to do a city-wide manhunt to stop marauding fertilizer plants from exploding.


No, there's no manhunt - but how about inspecting other plants to make sure they don't blow? Would that not be extremely effective at stopping people from actually dying?
 
2013-04-19 10:35:37 PM
How could anyone be so foolish to speculate that before their identities were known that an attack on April 15th might be by a tea partier? Lord knows there's been no biatching about how taxpayer dollars have been spent in this thread or anything...
 
2013-04-19 10:35:40 PM

megalynn44: As someone who has been out all evening and is unaware of any details other that "we got him", can someone please sum up what has happened?

How did they figure out he was in the boat?
Did he surrender or was he caught? I though I saw a snipet of video showing a flag waved from a boat but have no context of it. 
Did he start shooting at them/ Why did they have to shoot him in order to arrest him?
Other than the fact that he is in serious condition do we know anything else?
Did he speak with police at any time before they apprehended him?


The boat owner saw a blood trail leading to the boat and reported it. There was some exchange of gunfire, and apparently he lost enough blood to no longer put up a fight. No idea about if he talked to anyone, but they got him before he died.
 
2013-04-19 10:35:49 PM

rka: You keep repeating that he wasn't Mirandized. And you know this how? They had a microphone on every cop in the area? Because Wolf Blitzer reported it?

Until the Chief of Police stands up in a public forum and repeatedly answers questions with "no we did not mirandize him" then frankly I wouldn't believe it. And even if they didn't maybe the suspect was in no condition to answer. There could be a whole host of rational, legal, by-the-book reasons, none of which any moron reporter or half-wit Farker could ever tell you.

This whole episode is one big lesson in "don't trust breaking news or the first thing out of a reporters mouth, or even the initial story from the cops".


Frankly, that's the one thing I do buy right now.  The feds and the Boston PD aren't going to fark this up on a technicality. A technicality like...oh, for example...Mirandizing someone when they're not legally capable of consent, like when they're unconscious or damn close to it from blood loss, which word is how they found the kid.

They'll keep him under protective custody in the hospital until he's stable and conscious, then inform him he's under arrest and Mirandize him.
 
2013-04-19 10:35:49 PM
fresh at arrest
i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-19 10:35:51 PM

YodaBlues: Believe that's what happened. Commissioner or the Chief said at the press conference HRT attempted to negotiate, but suspect was unresponsive.


Negotiate?  Mind if I take it from here?

www.virginmedia.com
 
2013-04-19 10:35:57 PM

IlGreven: Just remember: Sunil Tripathi is still missing. We could make it up to the family who was sent death threats after he was erroneously identified as an accomplice by trying to find him.


It's a shame his family has had to deal not only with him being missing but also being erroneously identified as a possible suspect.  There are some internet tough guys who owe his family an apology.
 
2013-04-19 10:36:00 PM
Best songs about American greatness...

1) Born in the USA
2) Fortunate Son
3) America, fark Yeah
 
2013-04-19 10:36:01 PM

Glenford: Revek: Crap they took him  alive.

I want this prick to live the rest of his life behind bars. Death is the easy way out.


That, and there's the "72 virgins" factor.  Of course the ones that died are going to find that "paradise" has a much hotter climate than they bargained for, but the idea of martyrdom will still motivate the next idiot who wants to kill some infidels.
 
2013-04-19 10:36:07 PM

Russ1642: DamnYankees: To repeat,  Obama saying terrorists failed because Boston refused to be intimidated and we refused to be terrorized.

Give me a farking break. We cowered, just like we do at the mere thought of all terrorism. 2 kids set of a couple bombs and we competely shut down a major city, divert the national attention, deploy insane amounts of resources and top it all off by not Mirandizing the guy.

I'm honestly sickened right now and the 'celebrating' all this crap.

I wish I had more confidence, but we're knowingly letting innocent people starve to death in Gitmo and we not only don't help them, but a majority of AMericans probably are happy to see them die even though the US government has officially proclaimed them innocent.

Label someone a terrorist in this country and I have zero confidence in our rule of law.

So you're saying they caught the wrong guy? What is your point?


I think he's bemoaning the fact that playing the "terrorism" card trumps due process and justice.

THEY DON'T DESERVE CIVIL RIGHTS, THEY'RE TERRORISTS!!! *shiats pants*

It would be braver to continue to uphold the freedoms that we enjoy as Americans, while acknowledging and willingly incurring the risks that those freedoms pose.  And here is where I mangle a quote about giving up freedom for security, and getting neither.
 
2013-04-19 10:36:09 PM
I've been following these threads off and on today.  I have a cousin who lives about 5 miles from where he was caught.  Couldn't get on the scanner sites for most of the day so thanks, Farkers, for posting what was going on and keeping me up-to-date!
 
2013-04-19 10:36:15 PM
I wasn't blaming Mr. Obama. It's a meme.

/thanks Obama
//for the meme
 
2013-04-19 10:36:19 PM
The death penalty might not be an option. mass does not use it and if it was all done inside state lines then federal jurisdiction wouldn't apply

I'd did in the mcveigh case because he bombed a federal building
 
2013-04-19 10:36:20 PM

sheep snorter: lest we forget about other acts of domestic terrorism, before everyone got paranoid due to the pRopaganda party
April 19 1995

[i.imgur.com image 570x392]


And I don't recall us shutting down OKC for the day.
 
2013-04-19 10:36:21 PM

worlddan: High Fives for what? Near as I can tell it was a lot of wasted tax dollars. The police didn't even find him, some guy checking his yard did. Just think, if the police hadn't scared the hell out of everyone and so they stayed inside he would have been found hours ago. Well, more overtime for all the police; I can't wait to see the bill on that. I bet the police union will want a new contract now. For nothing. If these dimwits bombers had even half a brain they never would have been caught be these stooges.

EMBARRASSING


If their investigation hadn't identified their photos on Thursday afternoon, do you think what happened today would have happened?
 
2013-04-19 10:36:34 PM
Sounds to me he needed A BIGGER BOAT.

rot in hell punk ass coward.  And..how's your bro doing?
 
2013-04-19 10:36:41 PM

Olfin Bedwere: megalynn44: As someone who has been out all evening and is unaware of any details other that "we got him", can someone please sum up what has happened?

How did they figure out he was in the boat?
Did he surrender or was he caught? I though I saw a snipet of video showing a flag waved from a boat but have no context of it. 
Did he start shooting at them/ Why did they have to shoot him in order to arrest him?
Other than the fact that he is in serious condition do we know anything else?
Did he speak with police at any time before they apprehended him?

The boat owner saw a blood trail leading to the boat and reported it. There was some exchange of gunfire, and apparently he lost enough blood to no longer put up a fight. No idea about if he talked to anyone, but they got him before he died.


Not that he died, which he didn't. Doh.
 
2013-04-19 10:36:41 PM
Just poking my head in to say thank you to everyone that has been posting since this whole chase started around 24 hours ago.  I was in the threads all night until 9am EDT and then back in from noon until 7:30pm.  Unfortunately, and this is the first time in my life I've ever said this, I had to meet a friend for a beer and missed out on the ending (although I was checking the app while in the bar).

Fark, as always, for all of the infighting that happens on a daily basis, is an AWESOME community.

THANK YOU!
 
2013-04-19 10:36:46 PM

Fubar: Best songs about American greatness...

1) Born in the USA
2) Fortunate Son
3) America, fark Yeah


:-(
 
2013-04-19 10:36:52 PM

redsquid: FLMountainMan: Olfin Bedwere: So this will free up Obama's schedule so he can visit West, Texas, right? I certainly hope so, and I'm not being snarky about it.

Think about how crazy this week has been.  There's a mushroom cloud over a city in Texas, 20 people dead, 200 injured and it's back page news.

An Elvis impersonator sending ricin-poisoned letters to the President and Congress is the third craziest news story this week.

Wow. That put's it in perspective.


I'm 36 years old and I'm not sure there's ever been a crazier newsweek.  Other things that happened this week:

Three consecutive nights of riots in Brooklyn after police shot a teenage seven times.

The Boy Scouts agreed to accept (openly) gay members.  Probably.

The Texas District Attorney killings were solved - a former Justice of the Peace, fired for stealing three computer monitors, conspired with his wife to do it.

Pervez Musharraff was arrested in Pakistan.

Two dozen Bangladeshi migrant workers were shot by their boss in Greece after refusing to continue picking strawberries after not getting paid for six months.

And nobody will remember any of these.
 
2013-04-19 10:36:55 PM

megalynn44: As someone who has been out all evening and is unaware of any details other that "we got him", can someone please sum up what has happened?

How did they figure out he was in the boat?
Did he surrender or was he caught? I though I saw a snipet of video showing a flag waved from a boat but have no context of it.
Did he start shooting at them/ Why did they have to shoot him in order to arrest him?
Other than the fact that he is in serious condition do we know anything else?
Did he speak with police at any time before they apprehended him?


Homeowner went outside after shelter-in-place lifted. Saw blood near his boat. Looked under tarp, saw dude covered in blood. Retreated, called 911.

I lean towards caught, but there's a wide range of options between "surrender" and "caught."

Not sure who fired the first shot. There was an exchange of gunfire.

Nope. Only that he's in serious condition.

Unknown. Negotiators were present, he was described as uncommunicative at press conference.
 
2013-04-19 10:36:56 PM
Anyone post this picture yet, from the arrest?
i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-19 10:37:02 PM
It's disgusting that too many accept the idea that there's now a magic "terrorist" button, to be pushed whenever we feel like it, that turns off people's rights and puts them in an alternate universe of arbitrary extralegal punishment.

The likely result of NOT treating him as a "terrorist", recognizing all his rights, and having a regular trial that follows all the rules, is a conviction and life imprisonment in a SuperMax prison or possibly the death penalty. It's impossible to imagine any scenario where he somehow "gets off". How is this not good enough justice?

It's as though some "Americans" aren't happy unless we get to burn people at the stake, using the Constitution for tinder.
 
2013-04-19 10:37:09 PM

worlddan: High Fives for what? Near as I can tell it was a lot of wasted tax dollars. The police didn't even find him, some guy checking his yard did. Just think, if the police hadn't scared the hell out of everyone and so they stayed inside he would have been found hours ago. Well, more overtime for all the police; I can't wait to see the bill on that. I bet the police union will want a new contract now. For nothing. If these dimwits bombers had even half a brain they never would have been caught be these stooges.

EMBARRASSING


I'm sure we'd all be happy to deploy you next time if you think you can do a better job.
 
2013-04-19 10:37:10 PM
They tried to make us pay their taxes...

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...And they failed.

They tried to beat us at a sport they were dominant at & keep our losing streak going...

cdn-2-service.phanfare.com

...And they failed...

They tried to kill our spirit, and to make us afraid to live our lives...

media.komonews.com

...And they failed.

Boston: the city of resilience, the city of champions.
 
2013-04-19 10:37:15 PM
Does anyone know if he had more rhymes than the Bible has psalms?
 
2013-04-19 10:37:19 PM

ariseatex: DANCE PARTY!
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2013-04-19 10:37:23 PM

Parthenogenetic: I think he's bemoaning the fact that playing the "terrorism" card trumps due process and justice.

THEY DON'T DESERVE CIVIL RIGHTS, THEY'RE TERRORISTS!!! *shiats pants*

It would be braver to continue to uphold the freedoms that we enjoy as Americans, while acknowledging and willingly incurring the risks that those freedoms pose.  And here is where I mangle a quote about giving up freedom for security, and getting neither.


Thank you, this is it. And its not just that it trumps due process and justice, it seems to trump our basic senses of proportion and rational thinking.
 
2013-04-19 10:37:23 PM

LordOfThePings: CygnusDarius: Everything else is furious masturbation.

Masturbation? On MY Fark?


Only on boobie threads.
 
2013-04-19 10:37:27 PM

DamnYankees: To repeat,  Obama saying terrorists failed because Boston refused to be intimidated and we refused to be terrorized.

Give me a farking break. We cowered, just like we do at the mere thought of all terrorism. 2 kids set of a couple bombs and we competely shut down a major city, divert the national attention, deploy insane amounts of resources and top it all off by not Mirandizing the guy.

I'm honestly sickened right now and the 'celebrating' all this crap.

I wish I had more confidence, but we're knowingly letting innocent people starve to death in Gitmo and we not only don't help them, but a majority of AMericans probably are happy to see them die even though the US government has officially proclaimed them innocent.

Label someone a terrorist in this country and I have zero confidence in our rule of law.


So what would have been your preferred scenario? To have ignored what happened last night, let him flee, treat everything as just another annoying incident, nevermind the dead and wounded still in the hospitals--the same hospitals where the dead man was taken and where the injured suspect is now being treated--and then hope over the next few days or weeks he didn't set off more bombs or that nobody tripped over any he might have set? I might also remind you that the lockdown didn't take place because "two kids set bombs." That was Monday. The lockdown took place because two individuals killed one cop, carjacked an innocent person, got into a running gun battle with half of Boston PD that included throwing other IEDs out the windows at them, and included the theft of at least one other car and the wounding of at least one other police officer.. That is not "two kids" anymore, that is two extremely dangerous, desperate criminals who need to be caught or killed for the safety of the public.

And in re the lack of Miranda, I've already heard on the news they are doing this with full knowledge of the fact that anything the guy might say between now and his eventual Mirandizing will be unusable in court, and that a confession is not as important right now as any information they might get from him about other devices, possible co-conspirators, and additional threats to public safety.

So get down off your idealistic high horse and join the real world. Save the moralizing for Utopia when you move there.
 
2013-04-19 10:37:31 PM

Parthenogenetic: Russ1642: DamnYankees: To repeat,  Obama saying terrorists failed because Boston refused to be intimidated and we refused to be terrorized.

Give me a farking break. We cowered, just like we do at the mere thought of all terrorism. 2 kids set of a couple bombs and we competely shut down a major city, divert the national attention, deploy insane amounts of resources and top it all off by not Mirandizing the guy.

I'm honestly sickened right now and the 'celebrating' all this crap.

I wish I had more confidence, but we're knowingly letting innocent people starve to death in Gitmo and we not only don't help them, but a majority of AMericans probably are happy to see them die even though the US government has officially proclaimed them innocent.

Label someone a terrorist in this country and I have zero confidence in our rule of law.

So you're saying they caught the wrong guy? What is your point?

I think he's bemoaning the fact that playing the "terrorism" card trumps due process and justice.

THEY DON'T DESERVE CIVIL RIGHTS, THEY'RE TERRORISTS!!! *shiats pants*

It would be braver to continue to uphold the freedoms that we enjoy as Americans, while acknowledging and willingly incurring the risks that those freedoms pose.  And here is where I mangle a quote about giving up freedom for security, and getting neither.


Untangle your panties. He'll get a trial, and a defense lawyer. And an appeal.
 
2013-04-19 10:37:36 PM

theknuckler_33: DamnYankees: To repeat,  Obama saying terrorists failed because Boston refused to be intimidated and we refused to be terrorized.

Give me a farking break. We cowered,

Bullshiat. Clearing the way for the police and investigators to do their job... and, by the way, identify and find the guys within 4 days with the help of the public... is not 'cowering'. It is supporting the effort to get the assholes who did it. Now that those who did it are taken care of, if the community still cowers, you might have a point, but I suspect, just like Obama suggested, that on Monday, life will go on like normal. Expecting people to act the very next moment as if nothing happened is preposterous. People acted just like you would expect anywhere. At least anywhere where such acts are not a daily occurrence. If you think people in, say, Iraq don't 'cower' in the face of terrorism, it is only because they don't farking do a goddamn thing to stop terrorism.


Boston: "Everyone should stay home today to ensure their safety and assist the police in finding the suspect"
Bosses: "OK guys, we're shutting down today. Be safe."
Bostonians: "Oh, gee... DamnYankees on Fark might accuse us of cowering so we should really go to work but sitting home and drinking all day and watching this shiat unfold on TV sounds better, plus that guy is a ninny."
 
2013-04-19 10:37:40 PM

Fubar: Best songs about American greatness...

1) Born in the USA
2) Fortunate Son
3) America, fark Yeah


I see what you did there.
 
2013-04-19 10:37:46 PM
I think the overreaction to this incident might just spur on other loonies wanting attention.
 
2013-04-19 10:37:52 PM

sheep snorter: lest we forget about other acts of domestic terrorism, before everyone got paranoid due to the pRopaganda party
April 19 1995

[i.imgur.com image 570x392]


That was almost 20 years ago.
 
2013-04-19 10:37:54 PM

Revek: Crap they took him  alive.


Yes, terribly inconvenient, I know. Totally ruins the whole John Wayne "guns a'blazin'" motif that we Americans do so dearly love.

So, let me ask you: What were their motivations?

What's that - You don't actually know?

Could they be the tip of the iceberg of a bigger plot? Are they part of a new and heretofore unknown terror organization? Could the bombings be the beginning of a concerted, long-term campaign of attacks within the US?

Well, without (at least one of) them alive, we might never know.

But, with one of them alive and (presumably) able to speak at some point in the future, we might gain some useful, actionable intelligence.

If it turns out they did this because they were just nuttier than squirrel turds, we might get some further insight into the type of mind that does these kinds of things. Might there have been red flags about these two that were missed, that no one other than Dzhokar or Tamerlan would be able to point out? Possibly. In this case, with interrogation still an available tool in the LEO arsenal, instead of a body bag, we get to find out.

Shooting first often means you don't get to ask questions later. And I'd sure like those questions to be asked.
 
2013-04-19 10:37:55 PM
HAY GUISE, has anybody posted a pic of the guy on the ground yet??!?
 
2013-04-19 10:38:08 PM

Mrtraveler01: worlddan: High Fives for what? Near as I can tell it was a lot of wasted tax dollars. The police didn't even find him, some guy checking his yard did. Just think, if the police hadn't scared the hell out of everyone and so they stayed inside he would have been found hours ago. Well, more overtime for all the police; I can't wait to see the bill on that. I bet the police union will want a new contract now. For nothing. If these dimwits bombers had even half a brain they never would have been caught be these stooges.

EMBARRASSING

[25.media.tumblr.com image 450x346]


Not embarrassing at all. Kept him and contained and from moving. Sometimes, good things cost money.
 
2013-04-19 10:38:10 PM
i.imgur.com
Not Pictured:  Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat
 
2013-04-19 10:38:50 PM

CygnusDarius: Stop using this asshole, this whole incident, as a means to further your own farking agenda. It's only making it worse,


This!
 
2013-04-19 10:38:50 PM

Gyrfalcon: So what would have been your preferred scenario? To have ignored what happened last night, let him flee


Yeah, that's what I believe. You nailed it. Great job.
 
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