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2013-04-19 10:30:24 PM

Olfin Bedwere: So this will free up Obama's schedule so he can visit West, Texas, right? I certainly hope so, and I'm not being snarky about it.


Think about how crazy this week has been.  There's a mushroom cloud over a city in Texas, 20 people dead, 200 injured and it's back page news.

An Elvis impersonator sending ricin-poisoned letters to the President and Congress is the third craziest news story this week.
 
2013-04-19 10:30:33 PM
Can you imagine being the man who found the guy? He saw blood in the driveway near the boat, went and peaked under the tarp and saw a bloody man, and called police.
 
2013-04-19 10:30:47 PM

Darth_Lukecash: DamnYankees: To repeat,  Obama saying terrorists failed because Boston refused to be intimidated and we refused to be terrorized.

Give me a farking break. We cowered, just like we do at the mere thought of all terrorism. 2 kids set of a couple bombs and we competely shut down a major city, divert the national attention, deploy insane amounts of resources and top it all off by not Mirandizing the guy.

I'm honestly sickened right now and the 'celebrating' all this crap.

I wish I had more confidence, but we're knowingly letting innocent people starve to death in Gitmo and we not only don't help them, but a majority of AMericans probably are happy to see them die even though the US government has officially proclaimed them innocent.

Label someone a terrorist in this country and I have zero confidence in our rule of law.

You have issues.


Seriously.  Seek professional help.
 
2013-04-19 10:30:54 PM
He did not martry himself.. so does that mean he is not the US definition of terrorist
 
2013-04-19 10:30:55 PM
I wonder how much of the blood donated by Boston marathon runners will be needed to insure the survival of Suspect #2?
 
2013-04-19 10:30:59 PM

LancePGH: So did BPD keep a running list of illegal shiat they saw during the house searches?  It is 420 FFS.


I hope they did, because anything they do now against those people is completely tainted by that ill-gotten evidence. Suppose you had a pile of drugs in your house. You want them to see it during one of these searches because they now can't use that against you. It'll be the day when that evidence makes it through a trial and an appeals process.
 
2013-04-19 10:30:59 PM

msupf: Revek: Crap they took him  alive.

yep, that'll certainly screw with the conspiracy theories that were brewing all day.


No it won't.
 
2013-04-19 10:31:06 PM
Just remember: Sunil Tripathi is still missing. We could make it up to the family who was sent death threats after he was erroneously identified as an accomplice by trying to find him.
 
2013-04-19 10:31:12 PM

Novart: Didn't something happen in Texas recently, a guy lost his fertilizer or something?


Exactly - way more death and destruction there. But we dont care as much since there isn't an enemy to label and worry about.
 
2013-04-19 10:31:13 PM
Wicked awsome!
 
rka
2013-04-19 10:31:23 PM

DamnYankees: To repeat,  Obama saying terrorists failed because Boston refused to be intimidated and we refused to be terrorized.

Give me a farking break. We cowered, just like we do at the mere thought of all terrorism. 2 kids set of a couple bombs and we competely shut down a major city, divert the national attention, deploy insane amounts of resources and top it all off by not Mirandizing the guy.

I'm honestly sickened right now and the 'celebrating' all this crap.

I wish I had more confidence, but we're knowingly letting innocent people starve to death in Gitmo and we not only don't help them, but a majority of AMericans probably are happy to see them die even though the US government has officially proclaimed them innocent.

Label someone a terrorist in this country and I have zero confidence in our rule of law.


You keep repeating that he wasn't Mirandized. And you know this how? They had a microphone on every cop in the area? Because Wolf Blitzer reported it?

Until the Chief of Police stands up in a public forum and repeatedly answers questions with "no we did not mirandize him" then frankly I wouldn't believe it. And even if they didn't maybe the suspect was in no condition to answer. There could be a whole host of rational, legal, by-the-book reasons, none of which any moron reporter or half-wit Farker could ever tell you.

This whole episode is one big lesson in "don't trust breaking news or the first thing out of a reporters mouth, or even the initial story from the cops".
 
2013-04-19 10:31:23 PM

chuggernaught: Revek: Crap they took him  alive.

Dead men tell no tales.  Need this one to talk.


Exactly!
 
2013-04-19 10:31:24 PM

CygnusDarius: Everything else is furious masturbation.


Masturbation? On MY Fark?
 
2013-04-19 10:31:29 PM

ontariolightning: He did not martry himself.. so does that mean he is not the US definition of terrorist


*martyr
 
2013-04-19 10:31:34 PM
photo of suspect being loaded on ambulance - looks worse for wear, that's what i'm hearing too
http://hosted.ap.org/photos/1/1bc9365e-3991-45db-820b-9ce34fb07443-b ig .jpg
 
2013-04-19 10:31:38 PM
They'll take very good care of him now & make sure he gets the best medical treatment they can give him,they want him alive & in good shape so he can be interrogated.

Hopefully over a bed of glowing coals.
 
2013-04-19 10:31:40 PM

bobbette: DamnYankees: Give me a farking break. We cowered, just like we do at the mere thought of all terrorism. 2 kids set of a couple bombs and we competely shut down a major city, divert the national attention, deploy insane amounts of resources and top it all off by not Mirandizing the guy.

Shutting down the city was  smart.  It kept people out of harm's way and out of the way of the cops trying to do their jobs.  It also eliminated the possibility of people trying to take out "terrorists" themselves.  "Stay the fark home, Boston" was a good call.

Within a day or two of the bombings they coordinated a massive manhunt and caught these guys, one of them alive.  They did good.

And they did Mirandize him, actually.


My bad, they will be Mirandizing him in the future, just not immediately.  Had my wires crossed there for a second.
 
2013-04-19 10:31:44 PM

roflmaonow: Are there any pics of the guy? Is he really critical? That would suck.


critical/serious doesn't necessarily mean he's in real bad shape, sometimes serious condition is used for someone who's not fully stabilized and/or the full extent of their condition is not known.
 
2013-04-19 10:31:45 PM

FLMountainMan: Olfin Bedwere: So this will free up Obama's schedule so he can visit West, Texas, right? I certainly hope so, and I'm not being snarky about it.

Think about how crazy this week has been.  There's a mushroom cloud over a city in Texas, 20 people dead, 200 injured and it's back page news.

An Elvis impersonator sending ricin-poisoned letters to the President and Congress is the third craziest news story this week.


Wow. That put's it in perspective.
 
2013-04-19 10:31:48 PM

Chief_ Danz153A: But "starving to death" is not something that happens there unless some innocent/guilty prisoner hunger strikes.


There is currently a hunger strike at Gitmo. Were you not aware of that?
 
2013-04-19 10:31:53 PM
It's a Dzhokhar Tsarnaev lovefest on NBC right now. Weird.
 
2013-04-19 10:31:54 PM

r1niceboy: I'm astonished by how little the media in this country know about the ethnic Chechen nationalists. By the time the information about the survivor's political and religious beliefs are known and available, people won't care and will be back to wondering what Kim Kardashian will name her crotch fruit. I'm glad they got him alive, and am curious to see how someone who came to the US when they were a child could become radicalized.

This would be a good opportunity to learn why some people feel they must become a terrorist. We won't learn it though if there's something shiny to look at elsewhere.


You know what's really sad about the Chechen rebels?

They were secular. All they wanted was freedom for their people.Russia denied them this, and in their midst the jihadis took over the cause.

There's a lesson to be learned there on both sides.
 
2013-04-19 10:32:10 PM

ontariolightning: He did not martry himself have dark skin. so does that mean he is not the US definition of terrorist

 
2013-04-19 10:32:13 PM

ontariolightning: He did not martry himself.. so does that mean he is not the US definition of terrorist


The US definition of "terrorist" (mil def anyway) is someone who "uses tactics of inciting terror to further religious, political, or ideological goals."

Dying isn't a qualifier.
 
2013-04-19 10:32:25 PM
white people, amirite
 
2013-04-19 10:32:30 PM

DamnYankees: bobbette: Shutting down the city was  smart.  It kept people out of harm's way and out of the way of the cops trying to do their jobs.  It also eliminated the possibility of people trying to take out "terrorists" themselves.  "Stay the fark home, Boston" was a good call.

And this is different from any other dangerous criminal how? Should we shut cities down whenever there's someone armed and dangerous being looked for? Because that's like 90% of the time in some major city in this country.


Bombs.
 
paj
2013-04-19 10:32:39 PM

Re: Miranda rights, a couple relevant links:

Link
Link
 
2013-04-19 10:32:43 PM
for any jack*ss who is high-fiving or hell-yeahing or USA! USA! right now... that is exactly the type of behavior that fosters these tragedies.

breathe a sigh of relief, and then look inwards and examine yourself through the eyes of this suspect.

how many more national tragedies need to occur before Americans realize that we've squandered all of these recent learning opportunities (Aurora, Co., Sandy Hook, Boston marathon...).

the country will never learn and develop because it refuses to be taught.

/sad day to be an American indeed.
 
2013-04-19 10:32:50 PM
Good to see the White House has already anounced he will be charged and tried in regular court.
 
2013-04-19 10:32:50 PM

Frantic Freddie: They'll take very good care of him now & make sure he gets the best medical treatment they can give him,they want him alive & in good shape so he can be interrogated.


American taxpayer dollars put to use. Super...
 
2013-04-19 10:32:58 PM

FLMountainMan: Olfin Bedwere: So this will free up Obama's schedule so he can visit West, Texas, right? I certainly hope so, and I'm not being snarky about it.

Think about how crazy this week has been.  There's a mushroom cloud over a city in Texas, 20 people dead, 200 injured and it's back page news.

An Elvis impersonator sending ricin-poisoned letters to the President and Congress is the third craziest news story this week.


Maybe we should ban April. Wait! No! I was born in April. Crap.
 
2013-04-19 10:33:10 PM
Well done, Boston and America, you bunch of magnificent bastards!

Now send that shiat into a life of hell.
 
2013-04-19 10:33:15 PM

Revek: chuggernaught: Revek: Crap they took him  alive.

Dead men tell no tales.  Need this one to talk.

Why?   So they can tell us they wanted to have osamas love child.


No dumbarse. Morons are willing to blow themselves up for a cause. I want to know who talked them into it. Those are the real assholes.
 
2013-04-19 10:33:17 PM

DamnYankees: Novart: Didn't something happen in Texas recently, a guy lost his fertilizer or something?

Exactly - way more death and destruction there. But we dont care as much since there isn't an enemy to label and worry about.


Do you really not get the difference? People in Texas don't need to do a city-wide manhunt to stop marauding fertilizer plants from exploding.
 
2013-04-19 10:33:19 PM

roflmaonow: Are there any pics of the guy? Is he really critical? That would suck.


I saw on Boston news. He didn't look too good.

He'll look worse after Bat Day at Fenway in his honor.
 
2013-04-19 10:33:23 PM
As someone who has been out all evening and is unaware of any details other that "we got him", can someone please sum up what has happened?

How did they figure out he was in the boat?
Did he surrender or was he caught? I though I saw a snipet of video showing a flag waved from a boat but have no context of it. 
Did he start shooting at them/ Why did they have to shoot him in order to arrest him?
Other than the fact that he is in serious condition do we know anything else?
Did he speak with police at any time before they apprehended him?
 
2013-04-19 10:33:24 PM
This has been the longest time I have spent reading threads on Fark. I have seen highs and lows over the past 24 hours.
A lot of you made me laugh, most of you made me feel physically ill.  But before I sign out to go have a drink, I think we should reflect on the ending today.

This was just a kid.   Plain and simple.  Probably in way over his head.  He saw his brother die and was hunted as an animal for almost a day.  Imagine how afraid he was.
I pray that while on that boat, in that yard, he had the courage and foresight to rub one out. He won't have another chance to do so alone again for a long time.
 
2013-04-19 10:33:33 PM

yukichigai: Stoj: Turns out no Miranda rights after all.

Thanks Obama!

Let's just nip this in the bud:

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/law-enforcement-bulle ti n/february2011/legal_digest

The feds can legally question him about things which are of an immediate concern to public safety, like say all those damn bombs he and his brother scattered around the place.  None of what they ask him can be used in court, and if they stray away from questions concerning public safety the feds can have the crap sued out of them.

They aren't Mirandizing him because it's more important to find the rest of the bombs than it is to build a case against him.  Once they clear the area he'll be read his rights.


Pretty sure it can be used against them.
 
2013-04-19 10:33:41 PM
For anyone that cares, I just uploaded my "Salute to Law Enforcement In Boston" video here

http://youtu.be/qXr61-WE5UI
 
2013-04-19 10:33:43 PM
Boston is cheering the capture of him? Could this mean progress? I remember post 9/11 and how everyone was afraid to do anything anywhere at anytime. Cheers, Boston.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-04-19 10:33:45 PM
yukichigai

As far as the 5th amendment (Miranda) is concerned, they can go Dirty Harry on the guy and the sole remedy is suppression of confession. Taking the evidence out of court fully vindicates the right against self-incrimination and eliminates monetary damages to the extent the 5th amendment is relied on for relief. See Chavez v. Martinez (Link).
 
2013-04-19 10:33:49 PM

Boojum2k: DamnYankees: bobbette: Shutting down the city was  smart.  It kept people out of harm's way and out of the way of the cops trying to do their jobs.  It also eliminated the possibility of people trying to take out "terrorists" themselves.  "Stay the fark home, Boston" was a good call.

And this is different from any other dangerous criminal how? Should we shut cities down whenever there's someone armed and dangerous being looked for? Because that's like 90% of the time in some major city in this country.

Bombs.


Chicago bombs?

t3.gstatic.com
 
2013-04-19 10:33:53 PM

Myria: I hope the U.S. Attorney in the press conference meant that Dzhokar won't be Mirandized right now.  In a crazy situation like this, Miranda warnings can wait for a short while until he's out of medical danger and inside a jail cell.


And I hope someone does that to you one day soon for saying that.  I promise, you'll deserve it.
 
2013-04-19 10:34:00 PM
http://www.abc6.com/story/22028344/report-3-arrested-in-new-bedford-i n -connection-to-bombing-suspect 

Anyone able to confirm this?

"
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Neighbors say three have been arrested in New Bedford in connection with the Boston Bombing suspect.
Police apprehended suspects from the Hidden Brook Apartments on Carriage Drive in New Bedford. Neighbors say they think that the girlfriend of 19-year-old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev may have lived in the complex and they have seen him in the area as recently as yesterday.
Dzhokhar is a student at the nearby University of Massachusetts Dartmouth. Earlier on Friday his brother, also a suspect in the Boston Marathon bombing, was killed in a gun fight with police.
 "
 
2013-04-19 10:34:07 PM

Frantic Freddie: They'll take very good care of him now & make sure he gets the best medical treatment they can give him,they want him alive & in good shape so he can be interrogated.

Hopefully over a bed of glowing coals.


Are you wanting to torture someone or cook them?
 
2013-04-19 10:34:25 PM

Boojum2k: DamnYankees: bobbette: Shutting down the city was  smart.  It kept people out of harm's way and out of the way of the cops trying to do their jobs.  It also eliminated the possibility of people trying to take out "terrorists" themselves.  "Stay the fark home, Boston" was a good call.

And this is different from any other dangerous criminal how? Should we shut cities down whenever there's someone armed and dangerous being looked for? Because that's like 90% of the time in some major city in this country.

Bombs.


Yes, and? Free society is a biatch, and comes with risks. These guys didn't have nukes, they had (from my understanding) home made bombs that literally anyone can make. Part of the risk of living in a society which provides open access to bomb ingredients is that sometimes people will make bombs. We need to do our best to make sure they are never detonated in public, but its not a reason to lose your shiat.
 
2013-04-19 10:34:26 PM

NotoriousFire: Frantic Freddie: They'll take very good care of him now & make sure he gets the best medical treatment they can give him,they want him alive & in good shape so he can be interrogated.

American taxpayer dollars put to use. Super...


How much $ do think has already been spent on the investigation? How much tax revenue lost due to shutting down the greater Boston area? Hint: LOTS.
 
2013-04-19 10:34:28 PM
A bleeding 19 year old can elude literally thousands of our "best and brightest", shutting down one of our major cities and for this we should be celebrating?

Methinks it has given fodder for copy cat psychos in the future.
 
2013-04-19 10:34:28 PM
The city of Boston may celebrate. They've been thorugh hell. My sister has spent 2 of the last 5 days quarantined in her room. Sometimes scared to go out. I don't blame her. Now they got the guy it really allows us to step back and remember the heroes. The cops, first responders, ambulance personnel, and don't forget the ER/OR doctors who had to deal with the sudden rush of patients and make a lot of hard decisions.

Hats off Boston.

/Sam Adams brewery is probably working double time now.
 
2013-04-19 10:34:29 PM

roflmaonow: Are there any pics of the guy? Is he really critical? That would suck.


Critical? You bet he is!
"This holding cell is cold! I wanted HOT tea! You call this hot? I STILL haven't gotten any clean clothes! And the booking sergeant was so rude!"
 
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