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(Richmond Times-Dispatch)   NASCAR takes huge chuck out of Penske rear end for having unapproved parts in rear end   (timesdispatch.com) divider line 36
    More: Dumbass, Penske, NASCAR, Brad Keselowski, Texas Motor Speedway, Joey Logano, Penske Racing, Chad Knaus, Martin Truex Jr.  
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2013-04-19 05:22:35 PM  
nascarcasm @nascarcasm

Has "The Comedy Central Roast of Penske Racing, hosted by @JimmieJohnson" concluded yet?
 
2013-04-19 05:27:39 PM  
That's not nice.  Chuck is just big boned.
 
2013-04-19 05:28:43 PM  
Really glad there's an Indycar race this weekend. Kansas could be a sleepy race. Of course I won't be able to watch any races at all.
 
2013-04-19 05:32:09 PM  
So now they have a chuck hole?
 
2013-04-19 05:36:37 PM  
Chuck will be the only meat they can afford.
 
2013-04-19 05:54:34 PM  

The Muthaship: That's not nice.  Chuck is just big boned.


He's Samoan brother can't help it.
 
2013-04-19 05:58:15 PM  
Damn, I was hoping this would be about queers in Nascar.  The derp would have been worth the wharrgarbl
 
2013-04-19 06:33:57 PM  

crotchgrabber: Really glad there's an Indycar race this weekend. Kansas could be a sleepy race. Of course I won't be able to watch any races at all.


Long Beach is gonna be MUCH better than sleepy Kansas
 
2013-04-19 06:45:59 PM  

DanZero: crotchgrabber: Really glad there's an Indycar race this weekend. Kansas could be a sleepy race. Of course I won't be able to watch any races at all.

Long Beach is gonna be MUCH better than sleepy Kansas


I wish. Talent level in Indy these days is pitiful, makes watching difficult.
 
2013-04-19 06:49:57 PM  

the biggest redneck here: DanZero: crotchgrabber: Really glad there's an Indycar race this weekend. Kansas could be a sleepy race. Of course I won't be able to watch any races at all.

Long Beach is gonna be MUCH better than sleepy Kansas

I wish. Talent level in Indy these days is pitiful, makes watching difficult.


You can have Juablo back.
Might want to hide the jet dryers, though.
 
2013-04-19 06:56:34 PM  
200K, probation, points and 6 race suspension for various team members.  France must have been mad he couldn't fine Brad for post-race comments so made it up on this infraction.  Anybody know what was wrong with the parts they confiscated?
 
2013-04-19 06:57:45 PM  

the biggest redneck here: DanZero: crotchgrabber: Really glad there's an Indycar race this weekend. Kansas could be a sleepy race. Of course I won't be able to watch any races at all.

Long Beach is gonna be MUCH better than sleepy Kansas

I wish. Talent level in Indy these days is pitiful, makes watching difficult.


We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. The first two races of this season for Indy were entertaining as hell. I've had to set my alarm clock to go off repeatedly during cup races.
 
2013-04-19 07:18:42 PM  

relaxitsjustme: 200K, probation, points and 6 race suspension for various team members.  France must have been mad he couldn't fine Brad for post-race comments so made it up on this infraction.  Anybody know what was wrong with the parts they confiscated?


They didn't have the required "NASCAR APPROVED" stickers, meaning they had never been submitted to NASCAR for approval, meaning it didn't matter if every single piece of those components met NASCAR standards, they hadn't been inspected and approved, therefore they were illegal under NASCAR rules, and if there is *one* thing NASCAR will drop a really big hammer on you for, it's using parts not approved, whether they meet NASCAR technical standards or not.
 
2013-04-19 08:14:44 PM  

relaxitsjustme: 200K, probation, points and 6 race suspension for various team members.  France must have been mad he couldn't fine Brad for post-race comments so made it up on this infraction.  Anybody know what was wrong with the parts they confiscated?


I beilieve the holes for the suspension mounts were oval instead of round, allowing the rear end to shift under load.
 
2013-04-19 10:16:18 PM  

non-racer X: relaxitsjustme: 200K, probation, points and 6 race suspension for various team members.  France must have been mad he couldn't fine Brad for post-race comments so made it up on this infraction.  Anybody know what was wrong with the parts they confiscated?

I beilieve the holes for the suspension mounts were oval instead of round, allowing the rear end to shift under load.


It does have to be for performance advantage or safety issues.  Nothing those dunder headed pit crews won't do to win a race including almost killing someone.  I know they'll deny it, but they would use black painted foam for the roll cage if it would lighten up the car and give them an advantage if NASCAR didn't check for real steel every week.

/indifferent about Keselowski, but glad to see it happen to Logano
 
2013-04-19 10:30:50 PM  
Word is the entire board of directors has been indicted.  This is a huge blow to anyone who thought Penske would be hiring them.
 
2013-04-19 10:45:15 PM  

lack of warmth: non-racer X: relaxitsjustme: 200K, probation, points and 6 race suspension for various team members.  France must have been mad he couldn't fine Brad for post-race comments so made it up on this infraction.  Anybody know what was wrong with the parts they confiscated?

I beilieve the holes for the suspension mounts were oval instead of round, allowing the rear end to shift under load.

It does have to be for performance advantage or safety issues.  Nothing those dunder headed pit crews won't do to win a race including almost killing someone.  I know they'll deny it, but they would use black painted foam for the roll cage if it would lighten up the car and give them an advantage if NASCAR didn't check for real steel every week.

/indifferent about Keselowski, but glad to see it happen to Logano


I heard at one point that the frame rails of Kyle Larson's car were ground down or altered in some way at Daytona with this result:

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2013-04-19 10:51:36 PM  
Historically, NASCAR is all over the board when it comes to fining/penalizing teams and bias, especially if the teams drive a make other than Chevrolet. I'm not a conspiracy theorist as much as one of my co-workers is, but I have observed some questionable penalties/biases over the years.

Mark Martin lost 46 championship points for having a bolted on carb spacer, instead of a welded spacer, and NASCAR admitted there was no advantage to having the bolted on spacer. The difference was Mark Martin lost a championship by 26 points that Dale Earnhardt ended up winning.

I recall Jeff Gordon later running non approved hubs once upon a time in the mid 90s and merely getting fined $25,000. Jeff has been caught cheating more than once. "While inspecting cars for the Toyota/Save Mart 350, officials caught Jeff Gordon and Jimmie Johnson with illegal body modifications designed to give each of their cars an edge."http://www.madduxsports.com/blog/nascar%E2%80%94jeff-gordon-and -jimmie -johnson-caught-no-real-penalty-223/  I think anyone who watches NASCAR realize Jimmie and Chad have been busted more than once.

Spoiler "tweaks" during the season, Chevrolet allowed to maintain theirs as tested in the wind tunnel, the other manufacturers have to add or remove. See http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/motorsports/news/1998/03/17/rules_ch an ge/ or  http://www.cbc.ca/sports/story/2002/02/15/nascar-spoiler020215.html  for examples from 1998 and 2002.

NASCAR also has other biases to promote unfair advantages for "preferred" sponsors.  Anyone who witnessed the tires wars from the late 80s and the early 90s with Hoosier would have to agree. Because Goodyear got complacent and failed to innovate Hoosier was kicking their arses, so NASCAR made Hoosier provide tires for the entire field, even though only a handful of teams were actually running Hoosier tires. The costs associated with wasted tires ended up causing the little guy Hoosier to withdraw from cup for a second time. See  http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1994-11-15/sports/9411150291_1_ho o sier-tires-hoosier-racing-goodyear-tire or this one  http://motorsportsunplugged.com/?p=9237 for more info. While the articles take the high road, they don't portray the true sentiments of the times, especially when radials came in during the early 90s.
 
2013-04-19 11:48:23 PM  
This is the problem I have with so-called "racing" sims like iRacing etc.

They might be driving sims, but until you can try to get away with simulated shenanigans like this and potentially get busted for it, it's just not there. Until the make or team you race for influences the likelihood of getting "caught" and the resulting penalty, there is no such thing as a NASCAR sim.
 
2013-04-20 12:22:26 AM  

Napheus: I recall Jeff Gordon later running non approved hubs once upon a time in the mid 90s and merely getting fined $25,000. Jeff has been caught cheating more than once. "While inspecting cars for the Toyota/Save Mart 350, officials caught Jeff Gordon and Jimmie Johnson with illegal body modifications designed to give each of their cars an edge."http://www.madduxsports.com/blog/nascar%E2%80%94jeff-gordon-and -jimmie -johnson-caught-no-real-penalty-223/  I think anyone who watches NASCAR realize Jimmie and Chad have been busted more than once.


This is the one that probably gets me the most. Hendrick tries a few crafty things, cars might get temporarily confiscated but suspensions are overturned, fines are lowered, and teams are told not to do it again. Penske tries something that apparently passed inspection all the way to the race, and then has to take the stuff off and race with different parts. The parts never turned a racing lap (at least at Texas), and yet the team's docked points, docked money, and not only the crew chiefs but the car chiefs, chief engineers AND team manager are suspended. They might as well have suspended both teams, the way they did to Junior Johnson in the '90s (when his ex-wife Flossie "entered" a #97 Budweiser Ford in the races from which the #11 had been suspended). They didn't drop the hammer on Penske, they lobbed a few sledgehammers at them.

Not that this is a first for Penske. Back in the '90s, they got fined for running a set of lightweight roof flaps they had designed themselves...except that the roof flaps were all being sourced by Roush Industries, and non-Roush roof flaps were non-approved parts no matter if they were better or worse.

Of course, I like Keselowski, I like Roger Penske, and I have no love for the Hendrick operation, so I might be a bit biased.
 
2013-04-20 12:24:54 AM  

Napheus: Historically, NASCAR is all over the board when it comes to fining/penalizing teams and bias, especially if the teams drive a make other than Chevrolet. I'm not a conspiracy theorist as much as one of my co-workers is, but I have observed some questionable penalties/biases over the years.


And now you know why Sergio Marchionne said screw this bogus game.
There's no advantage for a company that builds Ferraris and Vipers to help a biased organization promote Impalas and Camrys. Nascar has been meaningless except if you want to sell soup or detergent, for decades.
 
2013-04-20 12:45:02 AM  

Kurmudgeon: Napheus: Historically, NASCAR is all over the board when it comes to fining/penalizing teams and bias, especially if the teams drive a make other than Chevrolet. I'm not a conspiracy theorist as much as one of my co-workers is, but I have observed some questionable penalties/biases over the years.

And now you know why Sergio Marchionne said screw this bogus game.
There's no advantage for a company that builds Ferraris and Vipers to help a biased organization promote Impalas and Camrys. Nascar has been meaningless except if you want to sell soup or detergent, for decades.


Please.

The Dodge situation under Fiat's ownership is closer to the Red Bull situation than anything else. They expected they could dominate with one team like you can in other motorsports. They chose one of the best, and that team went out and got them the championship. But Penske felt that was *despite* the Dodge connection, not because of it. To be successful in NASCAR these days you need an alliance of many teams sharing information, and Fiat's attempts to court potential support teams that were less than satisfied with their current manufacturer support (RPM, Ganassi) were so disastrous both of them doubled down on Ford and Chevy, even with the prospect of being a flagship Dodge team.

They didn't say "screw this bogus game," they got dumped by their one good team plain and simple, after no other team worth their salt would join their misguided effort.

If they really wanted out, they wouldn't have been working so hard on making and promoting a Gen6 car before any of the other big manufacturers were willing..

www.autoweek.com

I mean, I suppose saying "screw this" after you have literally nobody who will drive for you counts. But not for the reasons you say.
 
2013-04-20 12:54:24 AM  

Jensaarai: Kurmudgeon: Napheus: Historically, NASCAR is all over the board when it comes to fining/penalizing teams and bias, especially if the teams drive a make other than Chevrolet. I'm not a conspiracy theorist as much as one of my co-workers is, but I have observed some questionable penalties/biases over the years.

And now you know why Sergio Marchionne said screw this bogus game.
There's no advantage for a company that builds Ferraris and Vipers to help a biased organization promote Impalas and Camrys. Nascar has been meaningless except if you want to sell soup or detergent, for decades.

Please.

The Dodge situation under Fiat's ownership is closer to the Red Bull situation than anything else. They expected they could dominate with one team like you can in other motorsports. They chose one of the best, and that team went out and got them the championship. But Penske felt that was *despite* the Dodge connection, not because of it. To be successful in NASCAR these days you need an alliance of many teams sharing information, and Fiat's attempts to court potential support teams that were less than satisfied with their current manufacturer support (RPM, Ganassi) were so disastrous both of them doubled down on Ford and Chevy, even with the prospect of being a flagship Dodge team.

They didn't say "screw this bogus game," they got dumped by their one good team plain and simple, after no other team worth their salt would join their misguided effort.

If they really wanted out, they wouldn't have been working so hard on making and promoting a Gen6 car before any of the other big manufacturers were willing..

[www.autoweek.com image 850x510]

I mean, I suppose saying "screw this" after you have literally nobody who will drive for you counts. But not for the reasons you say.


Damn... I like that car

/get your sh*t together, Fiat
 
2013-04-20 12:59:09 AM  
Beautiful, Jen. Really, that was perfect.
 
2013-04-20 02:07:14 AM  

Jensaarai: Please.


Spare me, Nascar fan. This crap has been going on long before Red Bull.
Oh, and the guys working on the next stock car wouldn't be the ones who decides when to pull the plug.
Your whole post is a fail.
Keep buying as you're told. Nascar doesn't sell new cars any more.

"/get your sh*t together, Fiat"
They did, they decided not to throw money down a rat hole. Wise decision.
Nascar=joke
 
2013-04-20 03:01:38 AM  

Kurmudgeon: Jensaarai: Please.

Spare me, Nascar fan. This crap has been going on long before Red Bull.
Oh, and the guys working on the next stock car wouldn't be the ones who decides when to pull the plug.
Your whole post is a fail.
Keep buying as you're told. Nascar doesn't sell new cars any more.

"/get your sh*t together, Fiat"
They did, they decided not to throw money down a rat hole. Wise decision.
Nascar=joke


meh... I just like racing. Screw the politics and "my favorite class is better bullsh*t"

/sprint cars are my real favorites
/and if you want to quote me, son, quote me
 
2013-04-20 04:05:47 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: meh... I just like racing. Screw the politics and "my favorite class is better bullsh*t"


That attitude is ok I guess if you don't care if a pre-chosen winner is presented to you as the real deal.
If any competitors are made uncompetitive before the race begins, the checkered flag is bogus.
 
2013-04-20 09:30:58 AM  

Napheus: Historically, NASCAR is all over the board when it comes to fining/penalizing teams and bias, especially if the teams drive a make other than Chevrolet. I'm not a conspiracy theorist as much as one of my co-workers is, but I have observed some questionable penalties/biases over the years.

...
NASCAR also has other biases to promote unfair advantages for "preferred" sponsors. Anyone who witnessed the tires wars from the late 80s and the early 90s with Hoosier would have to agree. Because Goodyear got complacent and failed to innovate Hoosier was kicking their arses, so NASCAR made Hoosier provide tires for the entire field, even though only a handful of teams were actually running Hoosier tires. The costs associated with wasted tires ended up causing the little guy Hoosier to withdraw from cup for a second time


farm9.staticflickr.com
 
2013-04-20 09:43:50 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Kurmudgeon: Jensaarai: Please.

Spare me, Nascar fan. This crap has been going on long before Red Bull.
Oh, and the guys working on the next stock car wouldn't be the ones who decides when to pull the plug.
Your whole post is a fail.
Keep buying as you're told. Nascar doesn't sell new cars any more.

"/get your sh*t together, Fiat"
They did, they decided not to throw money down a rat hole. Wise decision.
Nascar=joke

meh... I just like racing. Screw the politics and "my favorite class is better bullsh*t"

/sprint cars are my real favorites
/and if you want to quote me, son, quote me


NASCAR isn't "racing" - it has become a money-based team sport. It is about as real as wrestling, and it's fans about as smart.
Want to fix it (and most of motor sport)? Simple rule: One car, per team, per race and one team per owner. No faking, no "phantom teams", no behind-the scenes deals, no collusion between drivers - on penalty of lifetime ban from the sport. Then, we might see some actual racing again.

Kurmudgeon: MaudlinMutantMollusk: meh... I just like racing. Screw the politics and "my favorite class is better bullsh*t"

That attitude is ok I guess if you don't care if a pre-chosen winner is presented to you as the real deal.
If any competitors are made uncompetitive before the race begins, the checkered flag is bogus.


Hey - wrasslin' fans don't care that it's fake - NASCAR fans apparently don't either. I suspect they are pretty much the same people.
 
2013-04-20 10:07:30 AM  

non-racer X: Napheus: Historically, NASCAR is all over the board when it comes to fining/penalizing teams and bias, especially if the teams drive a make other than Chevrolet. I'm not a conspiracy theorist as much as one of my co-workers is, but I have observed some questionable penalties/biases over the years.
...
NASCAR also has other biases to promote unfair advantages for "preferred" sponsors. Anyone who witnessed the tires wars from the late 80s and the early 90s with Hoosier would have to agree. Because Goodyear got complacent and failed to innovate Hoosier was kicking their arses, so NASCAR made Hoosier provide tires for the entire field, even though only a handful of teams were actually running Hoosier tires. The costs associated with wasted tires ended up causing the little guy Hoosier to withdraw from cup for a second time


[farm9.staticflickr.com image 800x534]


Lookie there, 1989 Daytona 500 winner Darrell Waltrip's car, which allowed him to do that stupid "Icky Shuffle" afterward, courtesy of Hoosier. From the first tire war.
 
2013-04-20 10:21:08 AM  
We get it. Y'all dont like NASCAR. No big whoop. Watch other things. Problem solved.
 
2013-04-20 10:32:18 AM  

Napheus: non-racer X: Napheus: Historically, NASCAR is all over the board when it comes to fining/penalizing teams and bias, especially if the teams drive a make other than Chevrolet. I'm not a conspiracy theorist as much as one of my co-workers is, but I have observed some questionable penalties/biases over the years.
...
NASCAR also has other biases to promote unfair advantages for "preferred" sponsors. Anyone who witnessed the tires wars from the late 80s and the early 90s with Hoosier would have to agree. Because Goodyear got complacent and failed to innovate Hoosier was kicking their arses, so NASCAR made Hoosier provide tires for the entire field, even though only a handful of teams were actually running Hoosier tires. The costs associated with wasted tires ended up causing the little guy Hoosier to withdraw from cup for a second time


[farm9.staticflickr.com image 800x534]

Lookie there, 1989 Daytona 500 winner Darrell Waltrip's car, which allowed him to do that stupid "Icky Shuffle" afterward, courtesy of Hoosier. From the first tire war.



I took that pic in Michigan, note the "Goodyear" logo on the fender.  Most guys were bouncing back and forth that year.
 
2013-04-20 11:29:10 AM  
*sigh*

Agreed and This to all.

Now can we have a reboot of "Wacky Races"?
 
2013-04-20 12:08:59 PM  

Kurmudgeon: Napheus: Historically, NASCAR is all over the board when it comes to fining/penalizing teams and bias, especially if the teams drive a make other than Chevrolet. I'm not a conspiracy theorist as much as one of my co-workers is, but I have observed some questionable penalties/biases over the years.

And now you know why Sergio Marchionne said screw this bogus game.
There's no advantage for a company that builds Ferraris and Vipers to help a biased organization promote Impalas and Camrys. Nascar has been meaningless except if you want to sell soup or detergent, for decades.


You know, this is interesting when you lump Toyota into the bias. I didn't think Toyota had a readily available push rod V-8 in a production vehicle prior to getting involved in NASCAR. I suppose the stuff Ford, Mopar and GM were using was enough to cut Toyota some slack since Ford, GM and Mopar pushrod V-8s are mere shells of what was actually once available on the street.  Of course I didn't like the fact that NASCAR allowed the Taurus either, because a 4 door car just doesn't evoke visions of high performance. Yes, I know the SHO exists and I'm sure there were other cars back in the early days, like the convertibles, but a 4 door just isn't the typical vision of what a race car should be.

How many remember back in the early days of the restrictor plates? I think I still have some old Winston Cup Scenes laying around where I recall Ford teams around late 80s early 90s time frame experimenting with running a 302 instead of a 351 due to the shorter stroke; there was no minimum displacement restriction, only a maximum of 358. The shorter stroke wasn't as affected by the restrictor plate and Ford was going to clean up. GM lobbied for help, and the rules were changed so engines had to be minimum 350 cubic inches, maximum 358. All the testing done on the 302 was now moot.

I do think there is some bias toward GM (Chevrolet) because of 1 reason. In the 60s and 70s, when Ford and Chrysler were boycotting for one reason or another and both eventually pulled factory support out of NASCAR in the early 70s, it was GM who provided stability and growth as the only factory sponsored manufacturer. I think that presence at a critical time in NASCAR history continues to be rewarded, for NASCAR wouldn't have grown into what it once was as recently as 10 years ago. Are any tracks actually sold out anymore?

I don't look for "meaning" in NASCAR, or any sport really as much as NASCAR is just entertainment. However, I do look at competitors and how they conduct themselves in those sports. While I don't hate Roger Penske, I think the mockery he made of the rules and dominating CART/USAC or whatever it is/was called (200 hp advantage, really??) because he has deep pockets and can exploit the rules is shameful.  See this  http://www.crapwagon.com/forums/showthread.php?11818-Penske-and-the-r u le-book or this  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penske_PC-23 for more info.
 
2013-04-20 12:17:08 PM  

non-racer X: Napheus: non-racer X: Napheus: Historically, NASCAR is all over the board when it comes to fining/penalizing teams and bias, especially if the teams drive a make other than Chevrolet. I'm not a conspiracy theorist as much as one of my co-workers is, but I have observed some questionable penalties/biases over the years.
...
NASCAR also has other biases to promote unfair advantages for "preferred" sponsors. Anyone who witnessed the tires wars from the late 80s and the early 90s with Hoosier would have to agree. Because Goodyear got complacent and failed to innovate Hoosier was kicking their arses, so NASCAR made Hoosier provide tires for the entire field, even though only a handful of teams were actually running Hoosier tires. The costs associated with wasted tires ended up causing the little guy Hoosier to withdraw from cup for a second time


[farm9.staticflickr.com image 800x534]

Lookie there, 1989 Daytona 500 winner Darrell Waltrip's car, which allowed him to do that stupid "Icky Shuffle" afterward, courtesy of Hoosier. From the first tire war.


I took that pic in Michigan, note the "Goodyear" logo on the fender.  Most guys were bouncing back and forth that year.


Nice pic. Ahhhh the good old days. When the crews didn't wear fire suits yet, and the racing into the pits was just as exciting as anything happening out on the track. Brake bias adjustments were being done from inside the car.
 
2013-04-20 03:54:05 PM  
Taking away technical advantages = bunching up the cars = more spectacular wrecks = more interest from the general public = more sponsorship money.

It's a simple equation, really.
 
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