Cletus C.: You knew as soon as there was any hint of a connection to Muslims or home-grown right-wing nut cases there would be joyous wanking.Rather distasteful.
Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Boojum2k: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Boojum2k: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Boojum2k: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Boojum2k: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Boojum2k: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: drdstny: CygnusDarius: @JohnFugelsang 16mReminder - 45 Senators just voted to let Dzhokhar Tsarnaev buy weapons at gun shows w/no inconvenient background checks.LAST TIME, people: Background checks are not permission, they are rejection. Put another way: a background check would not stop an immigrant with a state-provided ID, but a law-abiding citizen named John Wilkes Booth would be told to wait 7 days while they look into it further.There's nothing WRONG with a background check, but it's not magic, either. It's still not enough to stop a first-time buyer with no criminal record who never reported the side-effects of a recent Cymbalta prescription.According to the website spotcrime.com, Tamerlan was arrested for domestic violence in July 2009 after assaulting his girlfriend.Okay, presuming it resulted in a conviction, that would probably prevent him from passing a background check. Now how about his brother?His NINETEEN year old brother?Age 18 for a long gun in Massachusetts.Is that what he has?Per the cops last night, yes. Until they killed a cop and took his gun.I guess we'll find out where he got it.Yep. But last week, he was just a guy. He could have bought it legally in Massachusetts with a full background check. So the "background check would have stopped this" claim is dead on arrival, not to mention they have homemade bombs.So you think Tamerlan should have been allowed to buy?Tamerlan is the older brother with the domestic violence count, if he has a conviction then no. As for Dzhokar, again, what criteria would you have used to disallow him before this week? The fact that he's Islamic? An immigrant? You don't like his looks? Or your super special crystal ball that you didn't use to prevent the bombings?I just think stopping Tamerlan from buying is better than selling him an AR-1 ...
fireclown: Holy Shiat. This might be it.
probesport: The Life Of Brian: I think he's shaking and crying in a basement somewhere....Brother was the leader...he's a scared 19 year old and doesn't know what to do... He either killed himself or he's in a dark corner crying out for mommy right now... I seriously doubt he got away.I doubt that, at 19 I was pretty sure I could rule the world and was near invincible.
Urine The Money: [s3-ec.buzzfed.com image 625x838]The bombs in question?
bdub77: This is a crazy long manhunt. Can't believe he escaped the authorities in a chase, especially as wanted as he is. I also can't imagine he got out of the area given the police presence. Probably dead but who knows.
lunchinlewis: Mugato: This is some scary shiat. Not the bombers but the fact that they shut down the entire city and cops are beating down doors and searching attics and basements Helen Keller style.Have you ever seen Helen Keller searching a basement?
Mr Guy: Walker: Mr Guy: [img856.imageshack.us image 600x450]Uploaded with ImageShack.usI think this woman should play the lottery.We don't know how far from the time that pic was taken until the bomb went off. That woman could have been blocks away by the time it went off.Doesn't make it any luckier from her perspective that she was in that place, watching at the same time right next to the kid, and chose to relocate.
lordaction: Liberals rely on emotions to make decisions instead of logic and facts.
Dimensio: lennavan: drdstny: The gun show loophole essentially amounts to private citizens doing PPT / P2P (private party / person to person) transactions. You see these all the time at gun shows: people "wear" their guns with a sign on it that says what they want (cash or trade). Since there's nothing stopping one consenting party from looking the other way while another consenting party hands over money, THAT is the loophole. THAT is the problem. Responsible gun dealers won't look the other way, if for no other reason than to account for the serial number of the gun being sold.There is also nothing stopping gun dealers (not random people wearing their guns with a sign) from looking the other way. THAT also is the loophole. Yes, "responsible" gun dealers won't look the other way. Duh, by definition you called them "responsible." There are also plenty of "irresponsible" gun dealers who don't even bother asking if you're even from that state, let alone whether you're allowed to purchase guns, are a felon, what your name is to track purchases with the serial number and so on.Federally licensed firearm sellers who transfer firearms without conducting a background investigation of the transferee are violating federal law. Please explain an additional law that would physically restrain such a violation of law.
Danger Avoid Death: a61sun: jst3p: a61sun: W.T.H.??? I go to make a sammich and suddenly they're thanking everyone for a successful mission???What kind of sammich?Tuna AND egg salad! it was DEELISHUS!Sounds fragrant. (okay, and deelish.)
Tatsuma: Apparently the father is also saying that they were set up and that they did not do thisI mean, I can understand relatives in denial but shut the fark up and don't vomit all over the airwaves, just say 'No comment'
brapbrapbrap: Is there anyone involved in this operation who can organise a party in a brewery? From the 7/11 robbing terrorists themselves to the idiot cops who let a 19 year old frat-boy get away from them when they'd just shot his brother through to the authorities who have basically imposed martial law and still took 8 hours to "sweep" 60% of a street...the whole thing has been a shambles.The US needs to ditch that stupid law and let special armed forces deal with shiat like this. The whole thing would have been over 14 hours ago if that was the case. That whole street would have been "swept" within 20 minutes too and we could have all moved on with our lives.
Ranger677: I do not know why everyone is assuming that the older brother was the leader just because he is older. The kid seems to be doing rather well on his own, which would make me think that he is not so much the follower but the leader
JusticeandIndependence: from my blood: Open acceptance of martial law.And so it begins.What do you think is beginning?
Mugato: This is some scary shiat. Not the bombers but the fact that they shut down the entire city and cops are beating down doors and searching attics and basements Helen Keller style.
Tatsuma: netweavr: Hypothetically, if this guy made it to Canadia, could he be extradited? I know they have rules about "no death penalty" but I really don't see them wanting to pick this fight.For starters, he's not a citizen, so it's irrelevant.
sybilkitty: can someone repost the link to the picture of the dead suspect?
the money is in the banana stand: Mietsko: from my blood: Open acceptance of martial law.And so it begins.I tried to challenge the legitimacy of the police state earlier and I was basically shunned for being so callous as to imply the stay in your house rule was unconstitutional, and that during a crisis you should just do what your told.So it goes.Laws and rules require Order to survive. Amidst Chaos, all of that goes out the window, be it right or wrong. There is a time and place to challenge things, this would not be one of those times.
Anthracite: Mike Chewbacca: Tman144: Mike Chewbacca: serpent_sky: FinFangFark: So is the consensus in the thread that he broke the perimeter a long time ago?My guess is he's long gone, or he was injured last night and is dead. It seems that nobody has any idea where he is.I agree with people that I question the legality of the "lockdown" in the city (that word used to exclusively be used in prisons, not schools and now entire neighborhoods and towns) as well as the police entering homes if people did not answer the door or did not consent to a search. I believe they need to catch the suspect in this case, but not at <i>any</i> cost -- especially at the cost of our freedoms -- which is what they seem to be doing.You know what? Those guys were throwing grenades and dropping IEDs all over town. I know, because I was up all night listening to it play out on the scanner. This isn't a normal bad guy on the run. This is a guy trying to kill and hurt as many people as possible before he gets killed.Except for that guy whose SUV they stole.He escaped on his own, he was not let go.And if the guy had a concealed carry they would not have knees and we would not be having this conversation.
Mr Guy: fireclown: bowtiesheep: hutchkc: Abzzstain: So the police get a free pass to barge in without a search warrant and toss every farking house in Boston if they want. If you're not home they'll let themselves in.I realize they've got to find the guy, but this seems like overkill and not exactly constitutional. I suspect police all over the country will be using this convenient tactic now whenever there's a fugitive.If they are searching house to house, they knock on the door and ask to search. The people are allowing it. The cop casually walks through your house just to see if there is someone there. Had that happen a couple times. They spend all of like 2 minutes in your house. Not unconstitutional and they don't care about jack shiat except the person they are looking for. The first time it happened I was at my neighbors and his roommate was smoking a <b>bowel</b> when they went through. Not a word about it.Hands-down nastiest thing I've heard in the last hourWhat if you say "no"?If you say no you'd damn well not better have been smoking a bowl when they knock.
Anthracite: And if the guy had a concealed carry they would not have knees and we would not be having this conversation.
steppenwolf: Mietsko: JusticeandIndependence: Mietsko: from my blood: Open acceptance of martial law.And so it begins.I tried to challenge the legitimacy of the police state earlier and I was basically shunned for being so callous as to imply the stay in your house rule was unconstitutional, and that during a crisis you should just do what your told.So it goes.Plain and simply it is not a police state. It is a request at this time, that is all.Yeah except when people have tried to come out, like say to walk their dog they have had guns pointed at them and have been demanded to go back inside, not really a "request" if you ask me...There's a known bomber who has killed and is armed to the teeth that could be anywhere in the city right now, and you're making a big deal about the police keeping people in doors? It's obviously being done to keep people safe and prevent any more casualties, but all you can see is "POLICE STATE STEPPIN' ON OUR FREEDUMS."Moral and ethical absolutism is the arena of idiots and fanatics-just like the guy the police are protecting their citizens from.
Tatsuma: links136: i'd like to know how the NDP could be worse than HarperCanada has the strongest economy in the G8, so I'd say he's doing pretty good.
lennavan: dletter: Doesn't that make it more of a "private seller"/"Irresponsible gun dealer" loophole, not a "Gun Show" loophole?No, because the fact that it's at a gun show is what legalizes it. Irresponsible gun dealer at a gun dealership = illegal. Irresponsible gun dealer at a gun show = legal.
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