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2013-04-19 04:05:36 PM

mrshowrules: what_now: I'm boooored. :(


This isn't interesting, nothing is happening, but I can't stop and watch a west wing marathon incase something happens.

tips to make it more entertaining.

1) post a rumour
2) wild speculation
3) troll someone
4) link the subject to an issue of interest to you (abortion, gun control, the middle-east)

I wish there were more pics of his gf's rack.
 
2013-04-19 04:05:36 PM

the money is in the banana stand: Mietsko: from my blood: Open acceptance of martial law.

And so it begins.

I tried to challenge the legitimacy of the police state earlier and I was basically shunned for being so callous as to imply the stay in your house rule was unconstitutional, and that during a crisis you should just do what your told.

So it goes.

Laws and rules require Order to survive. Amidst Chaos, all of that goes out the window, be it right or wrong. There is a time and place to challenge things, this would not be one of those times.


One moronic 19yr old with a pistol and a dame pressure cooker full of black powder is not capital C Chaos.
 
2013-04-19 04:05:43 PM
This isn't a gun thread, assholes, so shut it. No laws will prevent terrorist attacks. You can't possibly make any reasonable argument either for or against the 2A based on this.
 
2013-04-19 04:05:46 PM

Tatsuma: the worst blow to American-Canadian relations since the burning of the White House.


There are days when I wish the Canadians would do that again.
 
2013-04-19 04:05:48 PM
lordaction:  Liberals rely on emotions to make decisions instead of logic and facts.

Yeah, you mean like the way you cockbags all called for Saddam's head after 9/11?
 
2013-04-19 04:05:51 PM

JusticeandIndependence: from my blood: Open acceptance of martial law.

And so it begins.


What do you think is beginning?


The beguine
 
2013-04-19 04:06:01 PM

Tatsuma: netweavr: Section 44.2
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/E-23.01/page-12.html#docCont

1. Not a canadian citizen, so it's doubtful that would apply
2. Not doing this would literally be the worst blow to American-Canadian relations since the burning of the White House. We're talking boycotts, campaigns against Canada and trashing the economy until Mexico looks like a country made of gold next to it


shiat...Now I hope he IS here....You've convinced me Tats!

/MORON
 
2013-04-19 04:06:02 PM

spelletrader: Mietsko: I tried to challenge the legitimacy of the police state earlier and I was basically shunned for being so callous as to imply the stay in your house rule was unconstitutional, and that during a crisis you should just do what your told.

The majority of citizens in Boston are choosing to cooperate with authorities during the search for this farkwad, rights are not being suspended. You are just another idiot with no grasp of what real martial law looks like.

There are greater restrictions placed on the populace during hurricanes and other natural disasters then there currently are in Boston during this manhunt, so take a nickle out of your piggy bank and buy some damn perspective.


Thanks for the ad hominem attack, brilliant work sir, way to miss the point, also.
 
2013-04-19 04:06:08 PM

Boojum2k: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Boojum2k: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Boojum2k: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Boojum2k: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Boojum2k: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: drdstny: CygnusDarius: @JohnFugelsang 16m

Reminder - 45 Senators just voted to let Dzhokhar Tsarnaev buy weapons at gun shows w/no inconvenient background checks.

LAST TIME, people: Background checks are not permission, they are rejection.  Put another way: a background check would not stop an immigrant with a state-provided ID, but a law-abiding citizen named John Wilkes Booth would be told to wait 7 days while they look into it further.

There's nothing WRONG with a background check, but it's not magic, either.  It's still not enough to stop a first-time buyer with no criminal record who never reported the side-effects of a recent Cymbalta prescription.

According to the website spotcrime.com, Tamerlan was arrested for domestic violence in July 2009 after assaulting his girlfriend.

Okay, presuming it resulted in a conviction, that would probably prevent him from passing a background check. Now how about his brother?

His NINETEEN year old brother?

Age 18 for a long gun in Massachusetts.

Is that what he has?

Per the cops last night, yes. Until they killed a cop and took his gun.

I guess we'll find out where he got it.

Yep. But last week, he was just a guy. He could have bought it legally in Massachusetts with a full background check. So the "background check would have stopped this" claim is dead on arrival, not to mention they have homemade bombs.

So you think Tamerlan should have been allowed to buy?
Tamerlan is the older brother with the domestic violence count, if he has a conviction then no. As for Dzhokar, again, what criteria would you have used to disallow him before this week? The fact that he's Islamic? An immigrant? You don't like his looks?  Or your super special crystal ball that you didn't use to prevent the bombings?


I just think stopping Tamerlan from buying is better than selling him an AR-15 and thousands of rounds of ammo. You're welcome to disagree.
 
2013-04-19 04:06:14 PM

Hillbilly Jim: National news outlets I've been checking are producing a sham of speculation Kabuki Theater.


Hmmm. Anderson Cooper has been looking a little pale lately.
 
2013-04-19 04:06:16 PM
Kid will be captured like the rat he turned out to be. Now capture the people who turned him into that. They will get away scott free, and go martyr more kids in the name of their ideals. Kids don't turn out to be extremists in a vacuum.
 
2013-04-19 04:06:19 PM

JusticeandIndependence: Anthracite: The way they were signing off i thought they got him

I think they are just trying to determine who has been on duty for over 18 hours and looking to release them.


Oh makes sense. I think he is either gone or dead.
 
2013-04-19 04:06:22 PM

BojanglesPaladin: serpent_sky: agree with people that I question the legality of the "lockdown" in the city (that word used to exclusively be used in prisons, not schools and now entire neighborhoods and towns) as well as the police entering homes if people did not answer the door or did not consent to a search. I believe they need to catch the suspect in this case, but not at <i>any</i> cost -- especially at the cost of our freedoms -- which is what they seem to be doing.

You seem to be completely missing the VOLONTARY aspect where Bostonians are complying with a REQUEST.


The truth of the matter is that they just can't simple say : "Look people, there's a bunch of angry, scared, tired cops out there with guns.  Stay safe, stay inside."
 
2013-04-19 04:06:23 PM

GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: netweavr: Hypothetically, if this guy made it to Canadia, could he be extradited? I know they have rules about "no death penalty" but I really don't see them wanting to pick this fight.

Mass. hasn't had the death penalty since '84. We'll send him back. He may be a little worked over though.


This will be tried in Federal Courts
 
2013-04-19 04:06:24 PM

Tman144: Mike Chewbacca: serpent_sky: FinFangFark: So is the consensus in the thread that he broke the perimeter a long time ago?

My guess is he's long gone, or he was injured last night and is dead. It seems that nobody has any idea where he is.

I agree with people that I question the legality of the "lockdown" in the city (that word used to exclusively be used in prisons, not schools and now entire neighborhoods and towns) as well as the police entering homes if people did not answer the door or did not consent to a search.  I believe they need to catch the suspect in this case, but not at <i>any</i> cost -- especially at the cost of our freedoms -- which is what they seem to be doing.

You know what? Those guys were throwing grenades and dropping IEDs all over town. I know, because I was up all night listening to it play out on the scanner. This isn't a normal bad guy on the run. This is a guy trying to kill and hurt as many people as possible before he gets killed.

Except for that guy whose SUV they stole.


He escaped on his own, he was not let go.
 
2013-04-19 04:06:26 PM

Mugato: This is some scary shiat. Not the bombers but the fact that they shut down the entire city and cops are beating down doors and searching attics and basements Helen Keller style.


Hey YOU voted for the guy. The righties TRIED to tell you...

/ I keed
 
2013-04-19 04:06:26 PM
Someone needs to shut up already and go make me a sammich.
 
2013-04-19 04:06:28 PM

Mugato: This is some scary shiat. Not the bombers but the fact that they shut down the entire city and cops are beating down doors and searching attics and basements Helen Keller style.


Hyperbole is hyper....
 
2013-04-19 04:06:37 PM
 
2013-04-19 04:06:38 PM

links136: Tatsuma: Russ1642: He meant Canadian citizen.

I don't understand how that was not obvious

T-Servo: NDP gaining a majority government would certainly be a huge, international incident.

Death of the Canadian economy would certainly make the front pages

i'd like to know how the NDP could be worse than Harper


Clearly you don't understand what the NDP is.
 
2013-04-19 04:06:41 PM

wambu: Danger Avoid Death: WTF are "Muslim style shoes?"

/from the scanner.

Shoes that look so ugly, they will kill Infidels on sight.

[i.imgur.com image 250x199]

 
2013-04-19 04:06:45 PM

netweavr: Why would it matter if he is or is not a Canadian citizen.


Because Canada would literally 'Oops, here's an illegal entry into canada, just driving him to the border' and whistle while driving away

Even if he faces the death penalty (and he will, does anyone think this will NOT be a federal case?) there is no way Canada would ever refuse to hand over the guy. Even if Obama literally said 'I will personally chop his head off on the steps of congress with my sweet hanzo steel katana'
 
2013-04-19 04:06:49 PM

dletter: Doesn't that make it more of a "private seller"/"Irresponsible gun dealer" loophole, not a "Gun Show" loophole?


No, because the fact that it's at a gun show is what legalizes it.  Irresponsible gun dealer at a gun dealership = illegal.  Irresponsible gun dealer at a gun show = legal.
 
2013-04-19 04:06:51 PM

Russ1642: netweavr: Hypothetically, if this guy made it to Canadia, could he be extradited? I know they have rules about "no death penalty" but I really don't see them wanting to pick this fight.

Yes. We have no issue returning criminals to the US.


Including "criminals" (read: inconvenient activists) and Canadian nationals like Marc Emery.
 
2013-04-19 04:06:58 PM

The Life Of Brian: I think he's shaking and crying in a basement somewhere....Brother was the leader...he's a scared 19 year old and doesn't know what to do... He either killed himself or he's in a dark corner crying out for mommy right now... I seriously doubt he got away.


I doubt that, at 19 I was pretty sure I could rule the world and was near invincible.
 
2013-04-19 04:07:01 PM
Now they are saying the 7-11 robbery wasn't connected to them, and they seem to have shot the cop for no reason.
 
2013-04-19 04:07:01 PM
THE DAY AMURKA DIED

www.commieblaster.com
 
2013-04-19 04:07:06 PM

Ned Stark: Tommy Moo: No more stories about how these two were "good kids" or how it's "so shocking" that these "peaceful" young men could commit such a strange act. There's no longer any ambiguity. These are two more people poisoned by their religion to commit the exact kind of evil that is consistent with the teachings of their holy text. They grew to hate this country because of our tolerance of homosexuality and female sexuality. They terrorized us as a favor, to scare us onto a path of righteousness that they believed would point us toward salvation. This is your brain on Islam.

You know, just this month an American bomb in Afghanistan killed 20 people including 12 children. Not exactly a shocking or out of the ordinary event either.

But I'm sure Muslims are just mad about how free we are. I know that I surely fell compelled to mass violence whenever I hear about societies that are organized somewhat differently than my own.


You clearly don't understand Islam. Don't search your own feelings when trying to get into the minds of a death cult that places little value on the here-and-now. Instead, try reading the Koran and listening to sermons delivered by their leaders. That should give you some idea of how they think.
 
2013-04-19 04:07:14 PM

sugardave: JusticeandIndependence: from my blood: Open acceptance of martial law.

And so it begins.


What do you think is beginning?

The beguine


overrated song
 
2013-04-19 04:07:18 PM

hutchkc: Abzzstain: So the police get a free pass to barge in without a search warrant and toss every farking house in Boston if they want. If you're not home they'll let themselves in.

I realize they've got to find the guy, but this seems like overkill and not exactly constitutional. I suspect police all over the country will be using this convenient tactic now whenever there's a fugitive.

If they are searching house to house, they knock on the door and ask to search.  The people are allowing it.  The cop casually walks through your house just to see if there is someone there.  Had that happen a couple times.  They spend all of like 2 minutes in your house.  Not unconstitutional and they don't care about jack shiat except the person they are looking for.  The first time it happened I was at my neighbors and his roommate was smoking a bowel when they went through.  Not a word about it.


Look, if I were a cop and I came walking in on some human centipede action, I wouldn't say  a word about it, either.
 
2013-04-19 04:07:27 PM

justneal: i have one canadian dollar, for the first person to call the cp number that was just on the scanner


I called...Said "Not available from your calling area"

Please send me said dollar...
 
2013-04-19 04:07:42 PM

msupf: Uh-oh. Sgt. Fury is going off duty....

they're boned.


www.marvunapp.com
 
2013-04-19 04:07:55 PM

Mietsko: JusticeandIndependence: Mietsko: from my blood: Open acceptance of martial law.

And so it begins.

I tried to challenge the legitimacy of the police state earlier and I was basically shunned for being so callous as to imply the stay in your house rule was unconstitutional, and that during a crisis you should just do what your told.

So it goes.

Plain and simply it is not a police state.  It is a request at this time, that is all.

Yeah except when people have tried to come out, like say to walk their dog they have had guns pointed at them and have been demanded to go back inside, not really a "request" if you ask me...


There's a known bomber who has killed and is armed to the teeth that could be anywhere in the city right now, and you're making a big deal about the police keeping people in doors? It's obviously being done to keep people safe and prevent any more casualties, but all you can see is "POLICE STATE STEPPIN' ON OUR FREEDUMS."

Moral and ethical absolutism is the arena of idiots and fanatics-just like the guy the police are protecting their citizens from.
 
2013-04-19 04:08:01 PM
Is there anyone involved in this operation who can organise a party in a brewery? From the 7/11 robbing terrorists themselves to the idiot cops who let a 19 year old frat-boy get away from them when they'd just shot his brother through to the authorities who have basically imposed martial law and still took 8 hours to "sweep" 60% of a street...the whole thing has been a shambles.

The US needs to ditch that stupid law and let special armed forces deal with shiat like this. The whole thing would have been over 14 hours ago if that was the case. That whole street would have been "swept" within 20 minutes too and we could have all moved on with our lives.
 
2013-04-19 04:08:02 PM

dletter: serpent_sky: vento: How in the heck do you not have a day or two worth of food in your house?

It's Friday, payday for a lot of people.  I've been known to have next to nothing in the house -- certainly not a few days worth of meals - on the day before/day of payday. I'm sure that's not incredibly rare since most people structure their lives around when they get paid, and usually do the shopping on those days.

I always refill my medicine on a Tuesday, for example, because I get paid on Tuesdays and that's when I have the money I need for my prescriptions. I also grocery shop on Tuesdays.

Also I knew way too many people when I was in my early 20s who basically had nothing in the house foodwise, other than maybe a few snacks.. ate all fast food for meals.


I worked restaurants through most of my 20's, so yeah, I'd eat at work. When my wife first started dating me, she was amazed that my fridge would have a could of six packs of beer, a bottle of ketchup and a 12-pack of Cokes in it.

/Every once3 in awhile a Stouffer's Lasagna would make an appearance...
 
2013-04-19 04:08:11 PM

Mike Chewbacca: Tman144: Mike Chewbacca: serpent_sky: FinFangFark: So is the consensus in the thread that he broke the perimeter a long time ago?

My guess is he's long gone, or he was injured last night and is dead. It seems that nobody has any idea where he is.

I agree with people that I question the legality of the "lockdown" in the city (that word used to exclusively be used in prisons, not schools and now entire neighborhoods and towns) as well as the police entering homes if people did not answer the door or did not consent to a search.  I believe they need to catch the suspect in this case, but not at <i>any</i> cost -- especially at the cost of our freedoms -- which is what they seem to be doing.

You know what? Those guys were throwing grenades and dropping IEDs all over town. I know, because I was up all night listening to it play out on the scanner. This isn't a normal bad guy on the run. This is a guy trying to kill and hurt as many people as possible before he gets killed.

Except for that guy whose SUV they stole.

He escaped on his own, he was not let go.


And if the guy had a concealed carry they would not have knees and we would not be having this conversation.
 
2013-04-19 04:08:22 PM

JusticeandIndependence: Mugato: This is some scary shiat. Not the bombers but the fact that they shut down the entire city and cops are beating down doors and searching attics and basements Helen Keller style.

Hyperbole is hyper....


That's what's being reported on anyways. The black helicopter folks got it right this time.

You get a knock. You get a bullhorn. Then they break down your door and toss your house.
 
2013-04-19 04:08:25 PM

links136: i'd like to know how the NDP could be worse than Harper


Canada has the strongest economy in the G8, so I'd say he's doing pretty good.
 
2013-04-19 04:08:31 PM
This is a crazy long manhunt. Can't believe he escaped the authorities in a chase, especially as wanted as he is. I also can't imagine he got out of the area given the police presence. Probably dead but who knows.
 
2013-04-19 04:08:32 PM

Mikey1969: Tommy Moo: No more stories about how these two were "good kids" or how it's "so shocking" that these "peaceful" young men could commit such a strange act. There's no longer any ambiguity. These are two more people poisoned by their religion to commit the exact kind of evil that is consistent with the teachings of their holy text. They grew to hate this country because of our tolerance of homosexuality and female sexuality. They terrorized us as a favor, to scare us onto a path of righteousness that they believed would point us toward salvation. This is your brain on Islam.

Yeah, they should have just assasinated a couple of abortion doctors, like Good Christians®.


No, they should have gone to school and studied science, history, and philosophy, and learned to function as rational grownups.
 
2013-04-19 04:08:42 PM
When are they going to employ the hypersonic electronic ball breakers?

The secret agent shiat the CIA uses.
 
2013-04-19 04:08:56 PM

Mietsko: the money is in the banana stand: Mietsko: from my blood: Open acceptance of martial law.

And so it begins.

I tried to challenge the legitimacy of the police state earlier and I was basically shunned for being so callous as to imply the stay in your house rule was unconstitutional, and that during a crisis you should just do what your told.

So it goes.

Laws and rules require Order to survive. Amidst Chaos, all of that goes out the window, be it right or wrong. There is a time and place to challenge things, this would not be one of those times.

So we should write new laws that say here are your rights, except in situations A. B. and Fark? puh leez


Of course not, I am not validating their actions legally, but using common sense. Common sense is a lost art-form on most individuals these days. Everyone wants to argue semantics in the most belligerent of ways. In other words, despite it being your constitutional "right", you are a farking dumbass to not assist in this effort.
 
2013-04-19 04:08:57 PM

links136: Tatsuma: Russ1642: He meant Canadian citizen.

I don't understand how that was not obvious

T-Servo: NDP gaining a majority government would certainly be a huge, international incident.

Death of the Canadian economy would certainly make the front pages

i'd like to know how the NDP could be worse than Harper


Were Jack still alive, the NDP may have had a shot at a minortiy government. It will never happen, particularly with the turncoat Liberals who'll now go back to the Red ship under Justin.

Economically and government oversight-wise, the NDP would be worse than a Harper/Chretien coalition.

Anyway, back to Hondas and Carrot Top.
 
2013-04-19 04:08:57 PM

fireclown: Holy Shiat.  This might be it.


So I hovered over the link and it said Rick Astley. Good jorb!
 
2013-04-19 04:09:10 PM
You knew as soon as there was any hint of a connection to Muslims or home-grown right-wing nut cases there would be joyous wanking.

Rather distasteful.
 
2013-04-19 04:09:18 PM

Treygreen13: CNN says "Significant amount of homemade explosives found

.

Can somebody check my work?  My CNN - Earth translator says that means " a sack of oranges."
 
2013-04-19 04:09:32 PM
THEY DID NOT ROB THE CONVENIENCE STORE, THEY WERE ONLY IN IT WHEN IT WAS ROBBED
 
2013-04-19 04:09:39 PM

Mugato: This is some scary shiat. Not the bombers but the fact that they shut down the entire city and cops are beating down doors and searching attics and basements Helen Keller style.


Have you ever seen Helen Keller searching a basement?
 
2013-04-19 04:09:40 PM

a61sun: jst3p: a61sun: W.T.H.??? I go to make a sammich and suddenly they're thanking everyone for a successful mission???

What kind of sammich?

Tuna AND egg salad! it was DEELISHUS!


Sounds fragrant. (okay, and deelish.)
 
2013-04-19 04:09:48 PM

Whatever_I_Suppose: THE DAY AMURKA DIED

[www.commieblaster.com image 274x190]


lol you don't know what communism is!
 
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