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2013-04-19 04:01:38 PM

a61sun: W.T.H.??? I go to make a sammich and suddenly they're thanking everyone for a successful mission???


i think it's just that the teams from last night are rotating off shift
 
2013-04-19 04:01:47 PM

Treygreen13: CNN says "Significant amount of homemade explosives found."


They've been clearing bombs, both real and imaginary, since at least 2AM if not earlier.
 
2013-04-19 04:01:48 PM
I shake my head at the liberal mental gymnastic olympics that constantly surrounds Islam. Their views are abhorrent. Even the "moderate" ones believe in subjugation of women, death for apostasy, and extreme castigation of homosexuals. But because they are a religious and largely ethnic minority in this country, we feel compelled to feel sorry for them. Make no mistake: they only lack the numbers here. "Moderation" in the West is a couching of their ideals in the face of insurmountable democratic sovereignty of liberty. If they had the votes, we'd have honor killings and public stonings here too. But they don't have the votes, so instead we have pressure cooker bombs, because intimidation is the next best thing when you can't have your way through elections.
 
2013-04-19 04:01:57 PM

a61sun: W.T.H.??? I go to make a sammich and suddenly they're thanking everyone for a successful mission???


What kind of sammich?
 
2013-04-19 04:01:57 PM
The way they were signing off i thought they got him
 
2013-04-19 04:02:03 PM

Russ1642: netweavr: Tatsuma: netweavr: Hypothetically, if this guy made it to Canadia, could he be extradited? I know they have rules about "no death penalty" but I really don't see them wanting to pick this fight.

For starters, he's not a citizen, so it's irrelevant. Second, Canada refusing to hand him over would create such an international incident and massive shiatstorm there is no way that would happen unless like, possibly the NDP had a majority government and they legalized crack.

He's a citizen.
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/04/19/marathon-bombing-suspect-becam e- u-s-citizen-on-september-11/

He meant Canadian citizen.


Section 44.2
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/E-23.01/page-12.html#docCont
 
2013-04-19 04:02:07 PM

Mietsko: from my blood: Open acceptance of martial law.

And so it begins.

I tried to challenge the legitimacy of the police state earlier and I was basically shunned for being so callous as to imply the stay in your house rule was unconstitutional, and that during a crisis you should just do what your told.

So it goes.


Laws and rules require Order to survive. Amidst Chaos, all of that goes out the window, be it right or wrong. There is a time and place to challenge things, this would not be one of those times.
 
2013-04-19 04:02:26 PM

Danger Avoid Death: One officer on the scanner just said he was in front of the Dunkin' Donuts. Go figure.


Those are on every corner in New England though....
 
2013-04-19 04:02:28 PM

serpent_sky: FinFangFark: So is the consensus in the thread that he broke the perimeter a long time ago?

My guess is he's long gone, or he was injured last night and is dead. It seems that nobody has any idea where he is.

I agree with people that I question the legality of the "lockdown" in the city (that word used to exclusively be used in prisons, not schools and now entire neighborhoods and towns) as well as the police entering homes if people did not answer the door or did not consent to a search.  I believe they need to catch the suspect in this case, but not at <i>any</i> cost -- especially at the cost of our freedoms -- which is what they seem to be doing.


You know what? Those guys were throwing grenades and dropping IEDs all over town. I know, because I was up all night listening to it play out on the scanner. This isn't a normal bad guy on the run. This is a guy trying to kill and hurt as many people as possible before he gets killed.
 
2013-04-19 04:02:34 PM

a61sun: W.T.H.??? I go to make a sammich and suddenly they're thanking everyone for a successful mission???


They are beeing relieved after 18hrs of duty.
 
2013-04-19 04:02:41 PM

netweavr: Hypothetically, if this guy made it to Canadia, could he be extradited? I know they have rules about "no death penalty" but I really don't see them wanting to pick this fight.


Mass. hasn't had the death penalty since '84. We'll send him back. He may be a little worked over though.
 
2013-04-19 04:02:45 PM

Stoj: Didn't these guys STEAL the firearm they were using? Is there any evidence that they already had a firearm?


well, the guy they stole the firearm from had a bunch of bullets in him so yeah
 
2013-04-19 04:02:47 PM

JusticeandIndependence: Mietsko: from my blood: Open acceptance of martial law.

And so it begins.

I tried to challenge the legitimacy of the police state earlier and I was basically shunned for being so callous as to imply the stay in your house rule was unconstitutional, and that during a crisis you should just do what your told.

So it goes.

Plain and simply it is not a police state.  It is a request at this time, that is all.


Yeah except when people have tried to come out, like say to walk their dog they have had guns pointed at them and have been demanded to go back inside, not really a "request" if you ask me...
 
2013-04-19 04:02:48 PM

coinspinner: Stoj: Didn't these guys STEAL the firearm they were using? Is there any evidence that they already had a firearm?

They had to have one to shoot the MIT cop before they stole his gun, so I'd say that's fairly conclusive.


OK I thought they stole his gun in a struggle and shot him with it.
 
2013-04-19 04:02:48 PM

serpent_sky: agree with people that I question the legality of the "lockdown" in the city (that word used to exclusively be used in prisons, not schools and now entire neighborhoods and towns) as well as the police entering homes if people did not answer the door or did not consent to a search. I believe they need to catch the suspect in this case, but not at <i>any</i> cost -- especially at the cost of our freedoms -- which is what they seem to be doing.


You seem to be completely missing the VOLONTARY aspect where Bostonians are complying with a REQUEST.
 
2013-04-19 04:02:52 PM

vento: FinFangFark: So is the consensus in the thread that he broke the perimeter a long time ago?

I suggested it in a thread around 7am.  They've been chasing shadows, raccoons, random open doors and every idiot in Boston that's stupid enough to walk around wearing hoodies and backpacks on a day when there's a citywide APB for males wearing hoodies and backpacks.


I think he's shaking and crying in a basement somewhere....Brother was the leader...he's a scared 19 year old and doesn't know what to do... He either killed himself or he's in a dark corner crying out for mommy right now... I seriously doubt he got away.
 
2013-04-19 04:02:57 PM

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: netweavr: August11: NPR says the kid is still tweeting? What the hell?

Someone set up a troll account.

There are four fake accounts that I saw. His real one hasn't been active for two days.


THanks.
 
2013-04-19 04:03:00 PM

jst3p: a61sun: W.T.H.??? I go to make a sammich and suddenly they're thanking everyone for a successful mission???

What kind of sammich?


Tuna AND egg salad! it was DEELISHUS!
 
2013-04-19 04:03:10 PM

Evil Mackerel: Tatsuma: ShawnDoc: The original containment zone was only 2 blocks in each direction, and then they expanded to 4. So as long as he ran straight, he was well out of the zone by the time they actually got it setup, and they delayed setting it up because they were busy making that one guy get naked in the middle of the road.

Pretty much, I think that at this point he might be just three four states away

If he makes it to Cincinnati no one will find him for 20yrs.


For fair consideration, living in Cincinnati for twenty years is a harsher punishment for his crimes than anything that would be done by the justice system.
 
2013-04-19 04:03:13 PM

star_topology: hutchkc: Abzzstain: So the police get a free pass to barge in without a search warrant and toss every



<snip>

 The first time it happened I was at my neighbors and his roommate was smoking a bowel when they went through.  Not a word about it.


Ew.

LOL, at least it was a funny typo.
 
2013-04-19 04:03:26 PM

nickerj1: mrshowrules: nickerj1: Subject face down at hazel and howe, waiting for tac team to approach.

Holy shiat if true.  Bad dog, bad, bad, dog. if not.

Should be taken with a grain of salt.  Every 15 minutes they've got a white male face down and waiting to search.


They're not used to doing this to white people.
 
2013-04-19 04:03:38 PM

nickerj1: mrshowrules: nickerj1: Subject face down at hazel and howe, waiting for tac team to approach.

Holy shiat if true.  Bad dog, bad, bad, dog. if not.

Should be taken with a grain of salt.  Every 15 minutes they've got a white male face down and waiting to search.


Boston cops profiling white people.  Cats living with dogs.  Mass hysteria.
 
2013-04-19 04:03:40 PM
I'm thinking, since there have been a massive number of amputees due to the bombing, won't this mean that, perhaps, the prosthetic companies will get more money on research?.
 
2013-04-19 04:03:43 PM

cretinbob: Treygreen13: CNN says "Significant amount of homemade explosives found."

They've been clearing bombs, both real and imaginary, since at least 2AM if not earlier.


Yep. Hence the lockdown.
 
2013-04-19 04:03:45 PM
DrudgeReport has the word Jihad on their main screen now.  No associated link.
 
2013-04-19 04:03:46 PM

ariseatex: Tommy Moo: No more stories about how these two were "good kids" or how it's "so shocking" that these "peaceful" young men could commit such a strange act. There's no longer any ambiguity. These are two more people poisoned by their religion to commit the exact kind of evil that is consistent with the teachings of their holy text. They grew to hate this country because of our tolerance of homosexuality and female sexuality. They terrorized us as a favor, to scare us onto a path of righteousness that they believed would point us toward salvation. This is your brain on Islam.

For someone raised to hate this country and our tolerance of female sexuality, he sure has his hands pretty far up that girl's torso on the prom pic going around.


It looks like the younger one was a dork who idolized his older brother. The boxer was the one who got radicalized, and recently. The little shiatbird that still unaccounted for probably just wanted to win his brother's approval.
 
2013-04-19 04:03:54 PM

GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: netweavr: Hypothetically, if this guy made it to Canadia, could he be extradited? I know they have rules about "no death penalty" but I really don't see them wanting to pick this fight.

Mass. hasn't had the death penalty since '84. We'll send him back. He may be a little worked over though.


Unless this all happened in Boston, Texas.
 
2013-04-19 04:04:10 PM

Mike Chewbacca: serpent_sky: FinFangFark: So is the consensus in the thread that he broke the perimeter a long time ago?

My guess is he's long gone, or he was injured last night and is dead. It seems that nobody has any idea where he is.

I agree with people that I question the legality of the "lockdown" in the city (that word used to exclusively be used in prisons, not schools and now entire neighborhoods and towns) as well as the police entering homes if people did not answer the door or did not consent to a search.  I believe they need to catch the suspect in this case, but not at <i>any</i> cost -- especially at the cost of our freedoms -- which is what they seem to be doing.

You know what? Those guys were throwing grenades and dropping IEDs all over town. I know, because I was up all night listening to it play out on the scanner. This isn't a normal bad guy on the run. This is a guy trying to kill and hurt as many people as possible before he gets killed.


Except for that guy whose SUV they stole.
 
2013-04-19 04:04:13 PM
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-04-19 04:04:13 PM

Tatsuma: Russ1642: He meant Canadian citizen.

I don't understand how that was not obvious

T-Servo: NDP gaining a majority government would certainly be a huge, international incident.

Death of the Canadian economy would certainly make the front pages


Extradition is the official process whereby one nation or state surrenders a suspected or convicted criminal to another nation or state.

Why would it matter if he is or is not a Canadian citizen.
 
2013-04-19 04:04:14 PM

fireclown: bowtiesheep: hutchkc: Abzzstain: So the police get a free pass to barge in without a search warrant and toss every farking house in Boston if they want. If you're not home they'll let themselves in.

I realize they've got to find the guy, but this seems like overkill and not exactly constitutional. I suspect police all over the country will be using this convenient tactic now whenever there's a fugitive.

If they are searching house to house, they knock on the door and ask to search.  The people are allowing it.  The cop casually walks through your house just to see if there is someone there.  Had that happen a couple times.  They spend all of like 2 minutes in your house.  Not unconstitutional and they don't care about jack shiat except the person they are looking for.  The first time it happened I was at my neighbors and his roommate was smoking a <b>bowel</b> when they went through.  Not a word about it.

Hands-down nastiest thing I've heard in the last hour

What if you say "no"?


I'm wondering that too, my guess is it results in your house getting totally destroyed by SWAT blowing doors off their hinges and you getting arrested and beat up pretty good. I understand people want to help and cooperate but I would have a problem if I felt I had to comply with an officer coming to my door and asking to search my house. With the whole city on lock down this whole thing has taken a bizarre turn.
 
2013-04-19 04:04:15 PM

netweavr: Section 44.2
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/E-23.01/page-12.html#docCont


1. Not a canadian citizen, so it's doubtful that would apply
2. Not doing this would literally be the worst blow to American-Canadian relations since the burning of the White House. We're talking boycotts, campaigns against Canada and trashing the economy until Mexico looks like a country made of gold next to it
 
2013-04-19 04:04:16 PM
This is some scary shiat. Not the bombers but the fact that they shut down the entire city and cops are beating down doors and searching attics and basements Helen Keller style.
 
2013-04-19 04:04:20 PM

Anthracite: The way they were signing off i thought they got him


I think they are just trying to determine who has been on duty for over 18 hours and looking to release them.
 
2013-04-19 04:04:20 PM

WalkingCarpet: If I maintained an ignore list, it would be getting a workout today with asshats like lordaction popping in to threadshiat on a regular basis.


I'm sorry that facts upset you.  Wouldn't it be great if the government just censored the news and it was just Rachel Maddow 24/7?  According to you, we should just ignore these hundreds of acts of terrorism a year since they are committed by leftists.  Of course, I shouldn't be surprised.  Liberals rely on emotions to make decisions instead of logic and facts.
 
2013-04-19 04:04:24 PM
How many uncles do these clowns have?
 
2013-04-19 04:04:28 PM

Tatsuma: Russ1642: He meant Canadian citizen.

I don't understand how that was not obvious

T-Servo: NDP gaining a majority government would certainly be a huge, international incident.

Death of the Canadian economy would certainly make the front pages


i'd like to know how the NDP could be worse than Harper
 
2013-04-19 04:04:32 PM

netweavr: Russ1642: netweavr: Tatsuma: netweavr: Hypothetically, if this guy made it to Canadia, could he be extradited? I know they have rules about "no death penalty" but I really don't see them wanting to pick this fight.

For starters, he's not a citizen, so it's irrelevant. Second, Canada refusing to hand him over would create such an international incident and massive shiatstorm there is no way that would happen unless like, possibly the NDP had a majority government and they legalized crack.

He's a citizen.
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/04/19/marathon-bombing-suspect-becam e- u-s-citizen-on-september-11/

He meant Canadian citizen.

Section 44.2
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/E-23.01/page-12.html#docCont


"(2) The Minister may refuse to make a surrender order if the Minister is satisfied that the conduct in respect of which the request for extradition is made is punishable by death under the laws that apply to the extradition partner. "
Sounds like the minister has the option. We wouldn't have a problem giving him back.
 
2013-04-19 04:04:35 PM

the money is in the banana stand: Mietsko: from my blood: Open acceptance of martial law.

And so it begins.

I tried to challenge the legitimacy of the police state earlier and I was basically shunned for being so callous as to imply the stay in your house rule was unconstitutional, and that during a crisis you should just do what your told.

So it goes.

Laws and rules require Order to survive. Amidst Chaos, all of that goes out the window, be it right or wrong. There is a time and place to challenge things, this would not be one of those times.


So we should write new laws that say here are your rights, except in situations A. B. and Fark? puh leez
 
2013-04-19 04:04:35 PM

Danger Avoid Death: nickerj1: mrshowrules: nickerj1: Subject face down at hazel and howe, waiting for tac team to approach.

Holy shiat if true.  Bad dog, bad, bad, dog. if not.

Should be taken with a grain of salt.  Every 15 minutes they've got a white male face down and waiting to search.

They're not used to doing this to white people.


14 seconds from a simulpost
 
2013-04-19 04:04:37 PM
#? Get in the horn....
 
2013-04-19 04:04:41 PM

netweavr: Russ1642: netweavr: Tatsuma: netweavr: Hypothetically, if this guy made it to Canadia, could he be extradited? I know they have rules about "no death penalty" but I really don't see them wanting to pick this fight.

For starters, he's not a citizen, so it's irrelevant. Second, Canada refusing to hand him over would create such an international incident and massive shiatstorm there is no way that would happen unless like, possibly the NDP had a majority government and they legalized crack.

He's a citizen.
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/04/19/marathon-bombing-suspect-becam e- u-s-citizen-on-september-11/

He meant Canadian citizen.

Section 44.2
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/E-23.01/page-12.html#docCont


Canada, as a matter of policy does NOT extradite without an assurance that the death penalty will not be invoked.  Even under Harper.   I could see this becoming ugly if it happened.
 
2013-04-19 04:04:41 PM

Nana's Vibrator: Carousel Beast:

reported

/hard


Sweet!

Thanks man.

/stay safe, too
 
2013-04-19 04:04:41 PM
Major domain name registrar Go Daddy has told TIME's Katy Steinmetz that people are already scrambling to buy domain names related to the bombings - and then auctioning them off for unfathomably large sums of money.

fayinc.files.wordpress.com

$37 is an unfathomably large sum of money?    Sounds like made-up news to me.
 
2013-04-19 04:04:50 PM

GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: netweavr: Hypothetically, if this guy made it to Canadia, could he be extradited? I know they have rules about "no death penalty" but I really don't see them wanting to pick this fight.

Mass. hasn't had the death penalty since '84. We'll send him back. He may be a little worked over though.

Unless this all happened in Boston, Texas.


Austin....Austin, Massachusetts.
 
2013-04-19 04:04:54 PM

spelletrader: from my blood: Open acceptance of martial law.

And so it begins.

You have no concept of what martial law actually is.


It's like marital law, but with a lot more fun involved.

/okay, I'm repeating myself
//okay, I'm repeating myself
 
2013-04-19 04:05:06 PM

GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: netweavr: Hypothetically, if this guy made it to Canadia, could he be extradited? I know they have rules about "no death penalty" but I really don't see them wanting to pick this fight.

Mass. hasn't had the death penalty since '84. We'll send him back. He may be a little worked over though.


Federal crime to use explosives in the commission of a felony. Since people have been killed, it's a capital offense. The Fed's get first whack at him, and they have can go for the death penalty in this case.
 
2013-04-19 04:05:13 PM

rufus-t-firefly: Grobbley: rufus-t-firefly: Grobbley: And every single time, people get mad.  If it were just "stupid bullshiat" why not simply dismiss it as such and move on?  Do you know how much "stupid bullshiat" gets posted and reposted on FARK every single day?  Generally people don't get so pissed off about it.  The emotional responses to this "stupid bullshiat" would indicate to me that they feel their view of reality is threatened by it.  People don't want to face the potential of their reality being wrong, so anything that conflicts with their reality is immediately a threat to be attacked or suppressed, regardless of how absurd it is.

/I don't personally believe any of the shiat from the image, but I do find the responses to be humorous and illuminating

Oh, so you're just trolling - posting something you don't believe because you enjoy making people mad.

The faux-psychology explanation is your own attempt to justify your trolling. It's more likely people get mad because they know exactly what you're doing.

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Your words, not mine:

And every single time, people get mad. 

I don't personally believe any of the shiat from the image, but I do find the responses to be humorous 

That's a perfect example of trolling.

The first time? No. But after you do it a few times, and get that response "every single time," yet you keep doing it because it's "humorous," you're a troll.


Saying that I'm using "faux-psychology" to justify my "trolling" is dumb.  It implies that one must justify trolling on the internet.
 
2013-04-19 04:05:24 PM

netweavr: Hypothetically, if this guy made it to Canadia, could he be extradited? I know they have rules about "no death penalty" but I really don't see them wanting to pick this fight.


Tell Charles Ng that. Trust me he will be kicked out if he doesn't get dismembered by the attack moose patrolling the border.

Thought I just heard that some of them have been on for 18 hours.
 
2013-04-19 04:05:25 PM
Trooper Farley!

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