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2013-04-20 01:23:10 AM  

BSABSVR: TerminalEchoes: To me, she was bemoaning the fact that she had to shell out three thousand dollars for her own birth control.

To me, she was shooting patriarchy hating knives straight from her vagina.  For I am  both aggrieved and unable to comprehend either the written or spoken word.


"Fluke's Vagina and the Patriarchy-Hating Knives" is the name of my underground prog rock band.
 
2013-04-20 01:24:33 AM  
It was the best of times; it was the worst of times.
 
2013-04-20 01:24:56 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: Alphax: It does seem like Republicans have a built-in structural advantage in getting their way, both in government and in media, no matter how few of them they are, or how unpopular or outlandish their ideas are. Deep pockets setting up hidden and semihidden ground rules.

It's called "gerrymandering".


It's not even that.  They're ruling from the minority in federal government, and outnumber non-Republicans on supposedly neutral news shows by 2-3 to 1.
 
2013-04-20 01:27:23 AM  

Alphax: The local NBC affiliate here in St. Louis was advertising their upcoming exclusive interview with Todd Akin today.. ugh..


I honestly can't imagine why anyone would interview Todd Akin, much less advertise it.  Unless they're actually going to give a good interview and ask questions like:  "You cost Republicans a guaranteed Senate seat due solely to your inability to not say stupid, ignorant, and offensive things.   What do you think will happen to you if the rank and file members of your party ever realize this?"
 
2013-04-20 01:30:10 AM  

Been a long time since the 70s.


farm4.staticflickr.com
 
2013-04-20 01:31:21 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: Alphax: The local NBC affiliate here in St. Louis was advertising their upcoming exclusive interview with Todd Akin today.. ugh..

I honestly can't imagine why anyone would interview Todd Akin, much less advertise it.  Unless they're actually going to give a good interview and ask questions like:  "You cost Republicans a guaranteed Senate seat due solely to your inability to not say stupid, ignorant, and offensive things.   What do you think will happen to you if the rank and file members of your party ever realize this?"


Dunno, perhaps he paid them for it.  By the sound of it, he wants to publicly talk back to Karl Rove, something about how Republicans should stand by their values.. the interviewer had better point out that his values are abhorrent.
 
2013-04-20 01:37:28 AM  

Alphax: Dunno, perhaps he paid them for it. By the sound of it, he wants to publicly talk back to Karl Rove, something about how Republicans should stand by their values.. the interviewer had better point out that his values are abhorrent.


Or better yet; even if his values are abhorrent (they are), he STILL would have won if he had just not SAID them and doubled down/defended them.
 
2013-04-20 01:43:04 AM  
"I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it." -John Stuart Mill
 
2013-04-20 01:57:07 AM  
The repugniscum dominate propaganda through selective media control, banking and finance and politics by virtue of the former. Occasionally government is a tool useful to them as well, but usually diversion and obstruction suffice. Is that hepful?
 
2013-04-20 01:57:38 AM  

Bucky Katt: -John Stuart Mill


dude had an IQ of at least 174. Doubt he talking out his ass.
 
2013-04-20 01:58:40 AM  
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2013-04-20 02:05:13 AM  

jayhawk88: plop your damn ass down on your couch and watch Pat and Vanna turn the letters and go to bed at 7pm and let your farking brain wither and die a bit more because you're so goddamn afraid of having an original thought in it.


Oh shiat... that describes my Mom perfectly.
 
2013-04-20 02:47:19 AM  
After this week is anyone else partisan fatigued? I just don't give a shiat about what party affiliation people belong to. I'm tired of hearing about force fed Guantanamo inmates who have been detained for 11 years with no charges. I'm tired of hearing about record profits while we face record poverty. We've lost sight of what it means to be American and how we can help each other, not just tearing each other down in a game of "one-upsmanship". Can we go back to doing good for each other? I'm just burnt out on all the infighting and watching it do nothing but destroy us. It's a game of attrition and I no longer have the stomach for it.
 
2013-04-20 02:52:09 AM  

Alphax: stoli n coke: Lee Jackson Beauregard: FTFA: [L]egal cigarette smoking is now seen as a corporate-sponsored, uncool, and dirty habit that leads to long-term health costs for society at large - in a way homegrown, hip, and mostly illegal pot smoking apparently does not.

Looks like if the goose-steppers really want the Smelly Hippies to stop smoking weed, they should legalize it.


Yep, cause then pot sales would be dominated by the evil corporations (tobacco companies, likely, since they already have the means to roll out packs of joints almost instantaneously), setting the price low enough to make it a losing business for mom and pop growers.

I know a few hippies still deluded enough to think weed will remain a homegrown industry once it's legalized.

I suspect that if that happened, one tobacco company would get an exclusive deal, and 'mom and pop growers' get raided for violating the deal.  Cause that's the corporate way.



The idea of one company getting an exclusive deal might be an anti-trust violation. I'm not sure, but I don't think a company can be told they cannot sell a product that is legal, so long as they meet regulations for it.

Mom and pop growers, however, could fall under the same legal problems as moonshiners, since they'd likely be skirting the inevitable tax on weed like what we have with alcohol and tobacco.
 
2013-04-20 02:56:51 AM  

Virginia is for extraordinary rendition: After this week is anyone else partisan fatigued? I just don't give a shiat about what party affiliation people belong to. I'm tired of hearing about force fed Guantanamo inmates who have been detained for 11 years with no charges. I'm tired of hearing about record profits while we face record poverty. We've lost sight of what it means to be American and how we can help each other, not just tearing each other down in a game of "one-upsmanship". Can we go back to doing good for each other? I'm just burnt out on all the infighting and watching it do nothing but destroy us. It's a game of attrition and I no longer have the stomach for it.


Ya know what? Yeah! Let's do it! All that partisan fighting is now in the past. "Inequality" is just a buzzword people throw around to feel important.  Things are gonna be so different now that we're deciding to stop having fundamental disagreements about how our country is supposed to run.

"Stop fighting!" It's so simple, yet so complex.

Fighting is now over in this world and we couldn't have done it without you and your revolutionary ideas.
 
2013-04-20 02:58:09 AM  

whidbey: OK serious question, if the Republicans are so socially farked up, then why does their minority party command both the House and the Senate in terms of making sure their stupid right wing bullshiat gets passed?

They aren't as stupid as you think they are, subby. They f*cking run the place.


I am skeptical of the idea that most of the reps and senators believe the derp, they are simply selling a product to a receptive audience who has telegraphed their gull^H^H^H^Hinterest in a product - the same way electronics places know that anyone who signs up for the in-house financing is 100% going to buy the extended warranty, because they have already indicated they can't afford to replace whatever they're buying.

It took 30 years in the political wilderness for the democrats to learn an aversion to public idiocy. What majorities the GOP has exist due to their successful shift from national politics to state/local agendas, and very hard work in carving up districts. Efforts to minimize the impact of minority votes ("suppression" is a strong word and sometimes overused) are past the point of diminishing returns, and arguably worked  against them in '12.

I *like* interesting elections. (I like it best when my candidate wins, of course, but I really wish for more competitive elections. Landslides in either direction mean that both parties don't have to worry about actually working)
 
2013-04-20 03:08:12 AM  
It's sad that you're so hostile to the idea of ending partisanship. That this week has taught you nothing. That you refuse to examine ANY change in the way you convey your message, formulate thoughts, and come to conclusions. That instead of introspection and reflection you choose to lash out because you think that's the only way to get your way. No one's suggesting passivity. But really, in the last thirty years of hyper-partisanship what has it gotten you? Other than trading away your civil rights, trippling then doubling the national debt, and sacrificing everything you used to believe in for a "win"? All or nothing won't ever cut it. Ever.
 
2013-04-20 03:17:04 AM  

Virginia is for extraordinary rendition: It's sad that you're so hostile to the idea of ending partisanship. That this week has taught you nothing. That you refuse to examine ANY change in the way you convey your message, formulate thoughts, and come to conclusions. That instead of introspection and reflection you choose to lash out because you think that's the only way to get your way. No one's suggesting passivity. But really, in the last thirty years of hyper-partisanship what has it gotten you? Other than trading away your civil rights, trippling then doubling the national debt, and sacrificing everything you used to believe in for a "win"? All or nothing won't ever cut it. Ever.


"Both sides are bad" is too lofty of a concept for me. I wish I could be above politics like you, but alas I am a foolish sheep.
 
2013-04-20 03:29:21 AM  
CorporatePerson"Both sides are bad" is too lofty of a concept for me. I wish I could be above politics like you, but alas I am a foolish sheep.You keep digging your hole deeper, and looking like a tool, why is that? It's not about both sides being bad. It's about unifying the people in this country and saying "You're American? Me too! High five! Let's talk about what this country needs, and how to accomplish that, like adults". The deeper the wedge, the easier we are conquered. I'm sorry you're so angry. Maybe you can forgive who or what made you so angry someday.
 
2013-04-20 03:31:18 AM  

Virginia is for extraordinary rendition: CorporatePerson"Both sides are bad" is too lofty of a concept for me. I wish I could be above politics like you, but alas I am a foolish sheep.You keep digging your hole deeper, and looking like a tool, why is that? It's not about both sides being bad. It's about unifying the people in this country and saying "You're American? Me too! High five! Let's talk about what this country needs, and how to accomplish that, like adults". The deeper the wedge, the easier we are conquered. I'm sorry you're so angry. Maybe you can forgive who or what made you so angry someday.


Yeah.. well, attitudes like that act as a cover, to excuse the worst behavior.
 
2013-04-20 03:33:56 AM  
randomjsa:

So... if I'm hearing you correctly, you agree with the contents of TFA?

Because I think you'd be the first.
 
2013-04-20 03:37:32 AM  

Virginia is for extraordinary rendition: After this week is anyone else partisan fatigued? I just don't give a shiat about what party affiliation people belong to. I'm tired of hearing about force fed Guantanamo inmates who have been detained for 11 years with no charges. I'm tired of hearing about record profits while we face record poverty. We've lost sight of what it means to be American and how we can help each other, not just tearing each other down in a game of "one-upsmanship". Can we go back to doing good for each other? I'm just burnt out on all the infighting and watching it do nothing but destroy us. It's a game of attrition and I no longer have the stomach for it.


This would be the problem. There's a substantial part of the country that doesn't want to do good for people, that wants to torture people at Guantanamo Bay, that wants to steal from you. Unless your idea of "ending partisanship" is crushing these bastards who are ruining the country, "ending partisanship" is exactly and 100% opposed to your vaunted goals.
 
2013-04-20 04:11:45 AM  

jayhawk88: Goddamn it, I am so farking sick of half this farking world being so farking eager to tell me how farked everything is at every goddamn opportunity. These farking people who completely lose their shiat every time the goddamn pattern on their paper towels changes. "Ahhhhh everything is terrible all the time and it's all your fault because you don't do the same things your great-grandparents did AHHHHHHHHHH!" Fark you all you worthless farks! Just farking die already. If everything was like it was 100 years ago you'd be dead of an infection already and we wouldn't have to listen to you carry on like a goddamn mental patient. I don't farking care what you think you worthless shiatstain. Farking shut your hole, plop your damn ass down on your couch and watch Pat and Vanna turn the letters and go to bed at 7pm and let your farking brain wither and die a bit more because you're so goddamn afraid of having an original thought in it.


Wow... that was actually kinda impressive in a way.
 
2013-04-20 05:07:30 AM  

Uh Oh Chongo Danger Island!: Pregnancy is a patriarchal social disease of oppression.


Hi.

Are you a human?

Did you know that you are the result of a patriarchal social disease of oppression?
 
2013-04-20 05:21:23 AM  

Virginia is for extraordinary rendition: After this week is anyone else partisan fatigued? I just don't give a shiat about what party affiliation people belong to. I'm tired of hearing about force fed Guantanamo inmates who have been detained for 11 years with no charges. I'm tired of hearing about record profits while we face record poverty. We've lost sight of what it means to be American and how we can help each other, not just tearing each other down in a game of "one-upsmanship". Can we go back to doing good for each other? I'm just burnt out on all the infighting and watching it do nothing but destroy us. It's a game of attrition and I no longer have the stomach for it.


*cuddle*
 
2013-04-20 05:37:51 AM  
"And how is it that a Negroe can walk around with his trousers hanging down to his knees, and yet when I flip him a quarter and tell him to shine my shoes, somehow I am the bad guy."
 
2013-04-20 06:02:26 AM  

Uh Oh Chongo Danger Island!: Pregnancy is a patriarchal social disease of oppression.  Prevented by birth control and cured by abortion.  This is what Democrats actually believe.


Unwanted teen pregnancies are a blessing from skyman. This is what idiots actually believe.
 
2013-04-20 06:14:15 AM  
i didn't think the article was that bad.  i didn't even see any particular political agenda behind it.  seems to me that he was just pointing out how strange our morals have become, and what things we choose to be offended by.  i think our society does have a strange sense of morality.   the media did go completely apeshiat over rush's comments about sandra fluke, but they are mostly ignoring the kermit gosnell case.  and it seems like we're trying to make marijuana legal at the same time that we're trying to shame all cigarette smokers into quitting, which makes no sense.  people are offended by a judge ordering morning-after pills to be available to 16 year olds, while ignoring the fact that 16 year olds actually need the morning-after pill in the first place.  the most popular shows on television are loaded with sex, but if you so much as make a sexual joke at your job you can get fired for it.  meanwhile, back in the 50s, television shows couldn't even show married couples in the same bed together, but sexual harassment at many workplaces was common and accepted.  i think that was the point he was making, which i think is a valid point to make.
 
2013-04-20 06:18:43 AM  

enderthexenocide: i didn't think the article was that bad.  i didn't even see any particular political agenda behind it.  seems to me that he was just pointing out how strange our morals have become, and what things we choose to be offended by.  i think our society does have a strange sense of morality.   the media did go completely apeshiat over rush's comments about sandra fluke, but they are mostly ignoring the kermit gosnell case.  and it seems like we're trying to make marijuana legal at the same time that we're trying to shame all cigarette smokers into quitting, which makes no sense.  people are offended by a judge ordering morning-after pills to be available to 16 year olds, while ignoring the fact that 16 year olds actually need the morning-after pill in the first place.  the most popular shows on television are loaded with sex, but if you so much as make a sexual joke at your job you can get fired for it.  meanwhile, back in the 50s, television shows couldn't even show married couples in the same bed together, but sexual harassment at many workplaces was common and accepted.  i think that was the point he was making, which i think is a valid point to make.


Not sure if a clever satire, or pure stupidity.
 
2013-04-20 06:19:19 AM  
Check this out.

pbs.twimg.com

Democratic guys, they drive a car like this.

But Republican guys, they drive a car like this!
 
2013-04-20 06:25:42 AM  

stoli n coke: Alphax: stoli n coke: Lee Jackson Beauregard: FTFA: [L]egal cigarette smoking is now seen as a corporate-sponsored, uncool, and dirty habit that leads to long-term health costs for society at large - in a way homegrown, hip, and mostly illegal pot smoking apparently does not.

Looks like if the goose-steppers really want the Smelly Hippies to stop smoking weed, they should legalize it.


Yep, cause then pot sales would be dominated by the evil corporations (tobacco companies, likely, since they already have the means to roll out packs of joints almost instantaneously), setting the price low enough to make it a losing business for mom and pop growers.

I know a few hippies still deluded enough to think weed will remain a homegrown industry once it's legalized.

I suspect that if that happened, one tobacco company would get an exclusive deal, and 'mom and pop growers' get raided for violating the deal.  Cause that's the corporate way.


The idea of one company getting an exclusive deal might be an anti-trust violation. I'm not sure, but I don't think a company can be told they cannot sell a product that is legal, so long as they meet regulations for it.

Mom and pop growers, however, could fall under the same legal problems as moonshiners, since they'd likely be skirting the inevitable tax on weed like what we have with alcohol and tobacco.


And that would be exactly how tobacco companies force the mom & pop's out of business.  They'd hire some lobbyists that would institute 'safety' regulations for manufacture & sale of marijuana products.  Something as simple as saying they have to be in a certain type of packaging like cigarettes might be enough since it would then require small companies to not only produce marijuana but their own packages as well.

As for growers?  Well, it's been legal to grow your own tobacco for centuries.  But almost no one does it without the approval of Big Tobacco.  The companies intentionally limit the supply by telling farmers that if they grow more than they're allowed then they'll end up on a blacklist and the companies'll never buy so much as a single leaf from that farmer again.
 
2013-04-20 06:28:32 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: Alphax: The local NBC affiliate here in St. Louis was advertising their upcoming exclusive interview with Todd Akin today.. ugh..

I honestly can't imagine why anyone would interview Todd Akin, much less advertise it.  Unless they're actually going to give a good interview and ask questions like:  "You cost Republicans a guaranteed Senate seat due solely to your inability to not say stupid, ignorant, and offensive things.   What do you think will happen to you if the rank and file members of your party ever realize this?"


Maybe it's for a new comedy show?  Imagine the advertising dollars or licensing fees you could pull down if you had been the only one with the 'legitimate rape' video.
 
2013-04-20 06:41:08 AM  
i.imgur.com

Mr. Hanson, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent textual vomit were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
 
2013-04-20 06:54:13 AM  

enderthexenocide: i didn't think the article was that bad.  i didn't even see any particular political agenda behind it.  seems to me that he was just pointing out how strange our morals have become, and what things we choose to be offended by.  i think our society does have a strange sense of morality.   the media did go completely apeshiat over rush's comments about sandra fluke, but they are mostly ignoring the kermit gosnell case.  and it seems like we're trying to make marijuana legal at the same time that we're trying to shame all cigarette smokers into quitting, which makes no sense.  people are offended by a judge ordering morning-after pills to be available to 16 year olds, while ignoring the fact that 16 year olds actually need the morning-after pill in the first place.  the most popular shows on television are loaded with sex, but if you so much as make a sexual joke at your job you can get fired for it.  meanwhile, back in the 50s, television shows couldn't even show married couples in the same bed together, but sexual harassment at many workplaces was common and accepted.  i think that was the point he was making, which i think is a valid point to make.


You get all your news from Fox and AM radio, don;t you?
 
2013-04-20 07:11:18 AM  

Uh Oh Chongo Danger Island!: Pregnancy is a patriarchal social disease of oppression.  Prevented by birth control and cured by abortion.  This is what Democrats actually believe.


This is what Republicans actually believe that Democrats believe.
 
2013-04-20 07:13:09 AM  

sammyk: FTFA:"So-called assault weapons account for less than 1 percent of gun deaths in America. "

I am so sick of this farking argument. When an assault style weapon is used to kill people the result is farking horrific. AW's only accounting for %1 of gun deaths does not make it any better when we are talking about classrooms full of dead kids.


The problem with TFA's argument is that it invites tighter control of the handguns that cause most gun deaths.  "OK, fine, let's do something more significant."

The problem with your argument is that every death by gunshot is horrific.
 
2013-04-20 07:22:20 AM  

whidbey: Bucky Katt: -John Stuart Mill

dude had an IQ of at least 174. Doubt he talking out his ass.


Who, Hanson?  He's brilliant at ancient history, but as I once told him to his face, he has no clue or business discussing anything after about 1000 CE.

/the man is a Roman senator born 2200 years too late
 
2013-04-20 08:06:56 AM  
So an ignorant conservative wrote something stupid on NRO?  That's a news story in itself.
 
2013-04-20 08:11:20 AM  

Karac: Satanic_Hamster: Alphax: The local NBC affiliate here in St. Louis was advertising their upcoming exclusive interview with Todd Akin today.. ugh..

I honestly can't imagine why anyone would interview Todd Akin, much less advertise it.  Unless they're actually going to give a good interview and ask questions like:  "You cost Republicans a guaranteed Senate seat due solely to your inability to not say stupid, ignorant, and offensive things.   What do you think will happen to you if the rank and file members of your party ever realize this?"

Maybe it's for a new comedy show?  Imagine the advertising dollars or licensing fees you could pull down if you had been the only one with the 'legitimate rape' video.


He ran an c ad late in the election practically insulting Missouri voters over that, giving a definition of "legitimate" in this deliberately condescending, almost sarcastic tone. I hadn't seen any polls for awhile when I first saw it, but when I did, I figured he knew he was sunk, and was just venting his frustration.

There was an Onion article about that in 2004, I think. The premise being that Bush and Kerry finally just released ads directly insulting voters. Life imitates art.
 
2013-04-20 08:33:24 AM  

SixPaperJoint: cman: GOP: insane and paranoid folk
Dems: heard of cat-folk
Libertarians: stubbon assholes that refuse to see reality folk
Greens: self-righteous folk
Socialists: obsessive folk
Constitution Party: beyond insane folk
Neo-Whig: naive

Well, thats my opinion, anyways

Had to fix a few.


I've heard of cats, does that make me a Democrat?
 
2013-04-20 08:37:56 AM  

SixPaperJoint: cman: GOP: insane and paranoid folk
Dems: heard of cat-folk



Cat-folk deck:

LANDS (20)
04 Windswept Heath
04 Stomping Ground
04 Sacred Foundry
04 Temple Garden
04 Mutavault
CREATURES (23)
04 Wild Necatl
04 Blade of the Sixth Pride
04 Leonin Squire
04 Qasali Ambusher
04 Leonin Skyhunter
03 Mirri, Cat Warrior
SUPPORT (16)
04 Swords to Plowshares
04 Shared Triumph
04 Lightning Helix
04 AEther Vial
 
2013-04-20 08:55:03 AM  

ghare: enderthexenocide: i didn't think the article was that bad.  i didn't even see any particular political agenda behind it.  seems to me that he was just pointing out how strange our morals have become, and what things we choose to be offended by.  i think our society does have a strange sense of morality.   the media did go completely apeshiat over rush's comments about sandra fluke, but they are mostly ignoring the kermit gosnell case.  and it seems like we're trying to make marijuana legal at the same time that we're trying to shame all cigarette smokers into quitting, which makes no sense.  people are offended by a judge ordering morning-after pills to be available to 16 year olds, while ignoring the fact that 16 year olds actually need the morning-after pill in the first place.  the most popular shows on television are loaded with sex, but if you so much as make a sexual joke at your job you can get fired for it.  meanwhile, back in the 50s, television shows couldn't even show married couples in the same bed together, but sexual harassment at many workplaces was common and accepted.  i think that was the point he was making, which i think is a valid point to make.

You get all your news from Fox and AM radio, don;t you?


no, i'm pretty much a huge liberal who gets all my news from fark and the daily show.  i don't see how you can make an assumption about my politics based on anything i've said.  pointing out some odd contradictions in our modern moral sensibilties doesn't automatically make me a conservative.  i don't even know why you would think that.
 
2013-04-20 09:10:12 AM  

Karac: As for growers? Well, it's been legal to grow your own tobacco for centuries. But almost no one does it without the approval of Big Tobacco. The companies intentionally limit the supply by telling farmers that if they grow more than they're allowed then they'll end up on a blacklist and the companies'll never buy so much as a single leaf from that farmer again.


Tobacco is a lot harder to grow than pot. Especially in amounts needed for personal use. It's not mom and pop operations that will thwart big corps, it'll be people growing for personal use. Which they already do.
 
2013-04-20 09:30:15 AM  
You need to learn the difference between the freeman and the slaves in our modern society.

Most of the slaves wear neckties or uniforms. If you aren't a slave then you're free to say what you mean. Or to goad the slaves to revolt or bicker. But beware the language that comes from a man who isn't free, he might be serving the undeclared interests of others.
 
2013-04-20 09:30:59 AM  

CorporatePerson: Virginia is for extraordinary rendition: After this week is anyone else partisan fatigued? I just don't give a shiat about what party affiliation people belong to. I'm tired of hearing about force fed Guantanamo inmates who have been detained for 11 years with no charges. I'm tired of hearing about record profits while we face record poverty. We've lost sight of what it means to be American and how we can help each other, not just tearing each other down in a game of "one-upsmanship". Can we go back to doing good for each other? I'm just burnt out on all the infighting and watching it do nothing but destroy us. It's a game of attrition and I no longer have the stomach for it.

Ya know what? Yeah! Let's do it! All that partisan fighting is now in the past. "Inequality" is just a buzzword people throw around to feel important.  Things are gonna be so different now that we're deciding to stop having fundamental disagreements about how our country is supposed to run.

"Stop fighting!" It's so simple, yet so complex.

Fighting is now over in this world and we couldn't have done it without you and your revolutionary ideas.


The first step is agreeing to look out for every person's health and happiness.

Ok, anti-partisans, how do we accomplish this? Don't forget, raising taxes is partisan!
 
2013-04-20 09:36:17 AM  
c9.nrostatic.com

This dickhead slaps his I'll-pray-for-you face on his own byline.
 
2013-04-20 09:36:56 AM  

Neeek: Karac: As for growers? Well, it's been legal to grow your own tobacco for centuries. But almost no one does it without the approval of Big Tobacco. The companies intentionally limit the supply by telling farmers that if they grow more than they're allowed then they'll end up on a blacklist and the companies'll never buy so much as a single leaf from that farmer again.

Tobacco is a lot harder to grow than pot. Especially in amounts needed for personal use. It's not mom and pop operations that will thwart big corps, it'll be people growing for personal use. Which they already do.


And yet, America is a culture that loves instant gratification. If asked to choose between taking the time to grow one's own cannabis plant and going down to the 7-11 and buying a pack of joints, it's a pretty safe bet that the majority would choose the latter option.
 
2013-04-20 09:39:39 AM  

enderthexenocide: it seems like we're trying to make marijuana legal at the same time that we're trying to shame all cigarette smokers into quitting, which makes no sense.


It makes sense if you're evaluating the two on demonstrated harms. Cigarettes are massive disease catalysts in several areas of health. They contribute massively to cancer, heart disease, and strokes, just to name the three most prominent examples. Marijuana may or may not have similar bad effects, but to my knowledge anyway, they haven't been demonstrated. Having spent years around marijuana smokers when I was younger, my impression was that it was less addictive than tobacco, and less dangerous to others than alcohol.

Just because I think marijuana should be socially accepted doesn't mean I have to think crack cocaine should be socially accepted too. Having established that I may principally distinguish based on harmfulness, the question is, "are cigarettes sufficiently harmful to warrant action against, if my baseline is marijuana?"
 
2013-04-20 09:50:48 AM  

Neeek: Karac: As for growers? Well, it's been legal to grow your own tobacco for centuries. But almost no one does it without the approval of Big Tobacco. The companies intentionally limit the supply by telling farmers that if they grow more than they're allowed then they'll end up on a blacklist and the companies'll never buy so much as a single leaf from that farmer again.

Tobacco is a lot harder to grow than pot. Especially in amounts needed for personal use. It's not mom and pop operations that will thwart big corps, it'll be people growing for personal use. Which they already do.


When the day comes that I can grow my own without fear of arrest, I'm going to grow buds the likes of which God has never seen.

/We have bud sign!
 
2013-04-20 09:53:44 AM  

bugontherug: Just because I think marijuana should be socially accepted doesn't mean I have to think crack cocaine should be socially accepted too. Having established that I may principally distinguish based on harmfulness, the question is, "are cigarettes sufficiently harmful to warrant action against, if my baseline is marijuana?"


I don't even think you need that final "if" clause, there. Cigarettes meet just about any criteria you may set when it comes to "should they be regulated/banned".

Oh, and TFA is pants on head retarded.
 
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