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2013-04-19 04:50:47 PM  
You mean they're all resigning?
 
2013-04-19 04:52:13 PM  
To achieve broad Republican support, the senators had to keep the bill budget-neutral, which is why it doesn't actually create new programs - it just gives Congress the go-ahead to renew existing ones.

Win!
 
2013-04-19 04:52:26 PM  
They don't want comprehensive mental health evaluations since that would show most of them are sociopaths.
 
2013-04-19 05:09:17 PM  

vernonFL: To achieve broad Republican support, the senators had to keep the bill budget-neutral, which is why it doesn't actually create new programs - it just gives Congress the go-ahead to renew existing ones.

Win!


My first thought reading the headline was "sure, they passed something, but now the GOP will just not fund it."

So, I was kinda right.
 
2013-04-19 05:17:52 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: My first thought reading the headline was "sure, they passed something, but now the GOP will just not fund it."

So, I was kinda right


"Our country has woefully inadequate mental healthcare systems - so lets keep on doing exactly what we have been doing!"
 
2013-04-19 05:53:22 PM  

vernonFL: Lionel Mandrake: My first thought reading the headline was "sure, they passed something, but now the GOP will just not fund it."

So, I was kinda right

"Our country has woefully inadequate mental healthcare systems - so lets keep on doing exactly what we have been doing!"


I expect all our unlimited 2A Farkers to be ITT livid that we haven't expanded or improved mental health care. They all seemed so concerned about it (well until yesterday that is)

/not really, they don't care again
//because soshulism
 
2013-04-19 05:54:57 PM  
tack a bipartisan mental health measure onto gun control legislation

Oh FFS.
 
2013-04-19 05:56:07 PM  
So does this mean they're finally coming to take mr. limbaugh away?
 
2013-04-19 05:56:08 PM  

vernonFL: To achieve broad Republican support, the senators had to keep the bill budget-neutral, which is why it doesn't actually create new programs - it just gives Congress the go-ahead to renew existing ones.

Win!


Yay... not making the situation worse is better!
 
2013-04-19 05:56:13 PM  
I guess a century too late is better than never.
 
2013-04-19 05:56:15 PM  
And both Rand Paul and Mike Lee are strongly encouraged to take advantage of this new benefit.
 
2013-04-19 05:56:46 PM  

Revek: They don't want comprehensive mental health evaluations since that would show most of them are sociopaths.


You hateful bastard, insulting honest sociopaths like that.  If I was one of them I'd be pissed off being compared to congress.
 
2013-04-19 05:57:26 PM  

KiwDaWabbit: I guess a century too late is better than never.


actually, still looking like never.
 
2013-04-19 05:57:40 PM  
Whoopee...
They passed a bill that has been gutted to the point of meaninglessness.
Good job.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-04-19 05:58:37 PM  

Ego edo infantia cattus: Whoopee...
They passed a bill that has been gutted to the point of meaninglessness.
Good job.


Well, that's what I expected.
 
2013-04-19 05:59:28 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: vernonFL: Lionel Mandrake: My first thought reading the headline was "sure, they passed something, but now the GOP will just not fund it."

So, I was kinda right

"Our country has woefully inadequate mental healthcare systems - so lets keep on doing exactly what we have been doing!"

I expect all our unlimited 2A Farkers to be ITT livid that we haven't expanded or improved mental health care. They all seemed so concerned about it (well until yesterday that is)

/not really, they don't care again
//because soshulism


I, for one, am pretty mad they didn't expand it. Wish the Grassley amendment had gotten a bit more attention too. It had some good stuff. If they had taken most of that and this, it would be better for the country, especially since a lot more of the mental health data would be coming into the NICS system.
 
2013-04-19 06:00:21 PM  
Another practically unfunded mandate. That's like saying "Yes, we firmly believe someone else should do something about that."
 
2013-04-19 06:00:44 PM  
Uh... sounds like it won't do a goddamned thing even if it DOES pass.

Universal healthcare! Cover mental health!

Let it be two tier if need be so the richie riches can have their premium service or whatever the f*ck they are blathering about but screwing the poors never ends well.
 
2013-04-19 06:03:22 PM  

Ego edo infantia cattus: Whoopee...
They passed a bill that has been gutted to the point of meaninglessness.
Good job.


Hey Im sure the money they spent on gutting it costed us a lot. Way to go guys. (rolleyes)
 
2013-04-19 06:04:22 PM  
Whenever something passes by that large a margin, you can be sure it will do approximately nothing and cost approximately a lot.
 
2013-04-19 06:04:32 PM  

WordyGrrl: Another practically unfunded mandate. That's like saying "Yes, we firmly believe someone else should do something about that."


You know how I know you DNRTFA?
 
2013-04-19 06:05:54 PM  
what costs more:  having programs or services for those with mental health issues or dealing with the people who have had no help with their mental health issues.

I'm curious.
 
2013-04-19 06:07:56 PM  
just let crazy people smoke weed instead of downing all those prescription meds
 
2013-04-19 06:08:25 PM  

groppet: Hey Im sure the money they spent on gutting it costed us a lot. Way to go guys. (rolleyes)


I'd like to see how much money has been spent battling healthcare initiatives versus the cost of what a modest healthcare program would cost.
 
2013-04-19 06:10:12 PM  
And Rand Paul votes against it. That chicken must've been REALLY asking for it.
 
2013-04-19 06:10:33 PM  
20 internet dollars says that if it ever goes to the House, Bachmann will vote against it on the grounds that mental health care causes autism, spontaneous abortions, and the cooties. To be joined by Louie Gohmert because, well... Louie Gohmert.
 
jvl
2013-04-19 06:10:50 PM  

my herniated disc: what costs more:  having programs or services for those with mental health issues or dealing with the people who have had no help with their mental health issues.


Malpractice fraud insurance for ER Doctors who want to institutionalize someone costs the most, so we just skip diagnosing them and never get to the treatment part.
 
jvl
2013-04-19 06:11:48 PM  

haterade: just let crazy people smoke weed instead of downing all those prescription meds


Not sure if serious, or just ignorant that weed makes many psych conditions worse.
 
2013-04-19 06:13:03 PM  
Let's not start linking to the mobile version of articles please.
 
2013-04-19 06:16:29 PM  

theknuckler_33: tack a bipartisan mental health measure onto gun control legislation

Oh FFS.


That's what they're doing right now- marking up the Gun Control Bill that's almost certainly not going to pass. That's what the Senate will be doing for another week or two, because there are about a billion amendments to vote on.

Which is also why this isn't getting much coverage- because they just attached a mental health amendment to a bill that's not going to pass unless Reid kills the filibuster entirely. Who gives a flying fark if they attach an amendment saying all Department of Energy workers have to work in the nude?
 
2013-04-19 06:18:47 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Revek: They don't want comprehensive mental health evaluations since that would show most of them are sociopaths.

You hateful bastard, insulting honest sociopaths like that.  If I was one of them I'd be pissed off being compared to congress.


Love the response, I'm blue with envy.
 
2013-04-19 06:25:31 PM  
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"YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO, YOU DUMB MOTHERF*CKER!"
 
2013-04-19 06:25:34 PM  
Congress-critters get to release statements showing they were in favor of improving mental health in this country by

* Gutting the amendment so it's budget-neutral
* Actually reducing mental health funding in some areas due to the new limitations
* Tacking this amendment onto a gun bill that's already destined to not-pass
* Thus guaranteeing the measure is dead on arrival and not a penny will shift, pleasing the fiscal conservative crowd

Kind of a win/win, if you're in Congress. Still lose-lose for everybody else. Completely wasted cycles.

If I had a day at work that was this unproductive my boss would question paying me.
 
2013-04-19 06:26:35 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: vernonFL: Lionel Mandrake: My first thought reading the headline was "sure, they passed something, but now the GOP will just not fund it."

So, I was kinda right

"Our country has woefully inadequate mental healthcare systems - so lets keep on doing exactly what we have been doing!"

I expect all our unlimited 2A Farkers to be ITT livid that we haven't expanded or improved mental health care. They all seemed so concerned about it (well until yesterday that is)

/not really, they don't care again
//because soshulism


Nope, I'm a Second Amendment advocate who is also in favor of socalized healthcare.

This bill, as was noted, just keeps the status quo, doesn't expand anything.  Kinda hard to get excited over that.  Well, with our current Congress it's sadly an above-average thing.

Personally, I would love single-payer healthcare in the US with comprehensive mental healthcare for all Americans without regard for ability to pay.  Then again, I get called "Socialist" for saying that.

Then again, I get called "FOX news sheeple" or "teabagger" because I oppose further gun control and like to own firearms for self-defense and sporting purposes, and object to calls to ban Scary Black Guns.

Kinda sucks being non-stereotypical, both sides hate you, thinking you're the other side.
 
2013-04-19 06:28:38 PM  

cptjeff: theknuckler_33: tack a bipartisan mental health measure onto gun control legislation

Oh FFS.

That's what they're doing right now- marking up the Gun Control Bill that's almost certainly not going to pass. That's what the Senate will be doing for another week or two, because there are about a billion amendments to vote on.

Which is also why this isn't getting much coverage- because they just attached a mental health amendment to a bill that's not going to pass unless Reid kills the filibuster entirely. Who gives a flying fark if they attach an amendment saying all Department of Energy workers have to work in the nude?


This. They're just stapling notes on a corpse at this point.
 
2013-04-19 06:33:59 PM  

lostcat: Let's not start linking to the mobile version of articles please.


I'm okay with it... none of the "more after the jump" bullshiat. More article-per-screen-inch.

*shrug*
 
2013-04-19 06:37:15 PM  
Rand Paul votes against mental health.
Go figure.
 
2013-04-19 06:38:58 PM  

vernonFL: Lionel Mandrake: My first thought reading the headline was "sure, they passed something, but now the GOP will just not fund it."

So, I was kinda right

"Our country has woefully inadequate mental healthcare systems - so lets keep on doing exactly what we have been doing!"


The alternative is, "Hey, lets just bury our children under more debt!"
 
2013-04-19 06:40:10 PM  

Silverstaff: Peter von Nostrand: vernonFL: Lionel Mandrake: My first thought reading the headline was "sure, they passed something, but now the GOP will just not fund it."

So, I was kinda right

"Our country has woefully inadequate mental healthcare systems - so lets keep on doing exactly what we have been doing!"

I expect all our unlimited 2A Farkers to be ITT livid that we haven't expanded or improved mental health care. They all seemed so concerned about it (well until yesterday that is)

/not really, they don't care again
//because soshulism

Nope, I'm a Second Amendment advocate who is also in favor of socalized healthcare.

This bill, as was noted, just keeps the status quo, doesn't expand anything.  Kinda hard to get excited over that.  Well, with our current Congress it's sadly an above-average thing.

Personally, I would love single-payer healthcare in the US with comprehensive mental healthcare for all Americans without regard for ability to pay.  Then again, I get called "Socialist" for saying that.

Then again, I get called "FOX news sheeple" or "teabagger" because I oppose further gun control and like to own firearms for self-defense and sporting purposes, and object to calls to ban Scary Black Guns.

Kinda sucks being non-stereotypical, both sides hate you, thinking you're the other side.


I find myself in the same boat. Argue in favor of policies I support? Find myself on the same team as people who disgust me for their other beliefs.

We need, like, a radical centrist party in this country or something.
 
2013-04-19 06:40:16 PM  

Mr. Breeze: vernonFL: Lionel Mandrake: My first thought reading the headline was "sure, they passed something, but now the GOP will just not fund it."

So, I was kinda right

"Our country has woefully inadequate mental healthcare systems - so lets keep on doing exactly what we have been doing!"

The alternative is, "Hey, lets just bury our children under more debt!"


Or "let's just bury our children!"
 
2013-04-19 06:48:06 PM  

fusillade762: They're just stapling notes on a corpse at this point.


Well put.
 
2013-04-19 06:55:08 PM  

Revek: They don't want comprehensive mental health evaluations since that would show most of them are sociopaths.


Most of them are not smart enough to be sociopaths. They act the way they do because they are very, very stupid.
 
2013-04-19 06:55:18 PM  
Who are the five retards who didn't vote for this?
 
2013-04-19 07:05:37 PM  
They always vote to give the best benefits to themselves.
 
2013-04-19 07:06:10 PM  
So who are the 5 that was against this?

Probably dems that think not labeling people is more important than preventing massacres.
 
2013-04-19 07:12:58 PM  

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: Silverstaff: Peter von Nostrand: vernonFL: Lionel Mandrake: My first thought reading the headline was "sure, they passed something, but now the GOP will just not fund it."

So, I was kinda right

"Our country has woefully inadequate mental healthcare systems - so lets keep on doing exactly what we have been doing!"

I expect all our unlimited 2A Farkers to be ITT livid that we haven't expanded or improved mental health care. They all seemed so concerned about it (well until yesterday that is)

/not really, they don't care again
//because soshulism

Nope, I'm a Second Amendment advocate who is also in favor of socalized healthcare.

This bill, as was noted, just keeps the status quo, doesn't expand anything.  Kinda hard to get excited over that.  Well, with our current Congress it's sadly an above-average thing.

Personally, I would love single-payer healthcare in the US with comprehensive mental healthcare for all Americans without regard for ability to pay.  Then again, I get called "Socialist" for saying that.

Then again, I get called "FOX news sheeple" or "teabagger" because I oppose further gun control and like to own firearms for self-defense and sporting purposes, and object to calls to ban Scary Black Guns.

Kinda sucks being non-stereotypical, both sides hate you, thinking you're the other side.

I find myself in the same boat. Argue in favor of policies I support? Find myself on the same team as people who disgust me for their other beliefs.

We need, like, a radical centrist party in this country or something.


Can I join?
 
2013-04-19 07:22:17 PM  
Sorry, I have to go now. My meds are due in 26 minutes.
 
2013-04-19 07:37:27 PM  
If Reagan hadn't destroyed the mental health care system in the first place, we wouldn't need to be dealing with this today.

Oldiron_79: So who are the 5 that was against this?

Probably dems that think not labeling people is more important than preventing massacres.


Funny, I thought the Dems were the ones who were trying to prevent massacres.
 
2013-04-19 07:38:40 PM  
Until we actually get around to dismantling the legacy of the Great Failed B Actor president and the utter swine who pulled his strings, it'll keep sucking mud, folks.
 
2013-04-19 07:41:51 PM  

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: Silverstaff: Peter von Nostrand: vernonFL: Lionel Mandrake: My first thought reading the headline was "sure, they passed something, but now the GOP will just not fund it."

So, I was kinda right

"Our country has woefully inadequate mental healthcare systems - so lets keep on doing exactly what we have been doing!"

I expect all our unlimited 2A Farkers to be ITT livid that we haven't expanded or improved mental health care. They all seemed so concerned about it (well until yesterday that is)

/not really, they don't care again
//because soshulism

Nope, I'm a Second Amendment advocate who is also in favor of socalized healthcare.

This bill, as was noted, just keeps the status quo, doesn't expand anything.  Kinda hard to get excited over that.  Well, with our current Congress it's sadly an above-average thing.

Personally, I would love single-payer healthcare in the US with comprehensive mental healthcare for all Americans without regard for ability to pay.  Then again, I get called "Socialist" for saying that.

Then again, I get called "FOX news sheeple" or "teabagger" because I oppose further gun control and like to own firearms for self-defense and sporting purposes, and object to calls to ban Scary Black Guns.

Kinda sucks being non-stereotypical, both sides hate you, thinking you're the other side.

I find myself in the same boat. Argue in favor of policies I support? Find myself on the same team as people who disgust me for their other beliefs.

We need, like, a radical centrist party in this country or something.


Just an actual Left, really. Anybody see the PM from NZ speaking about gay marriage? He's a member of the Conserative party FWIW
 
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