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2013-04-19 09:00:36 AM  
Remember when speculation on new electronics' had stuff about the insides? 
And they'd tell you the voltage with amp hours, you know, since that affects things.
 
2013-04-19 09:48:52 AM  
After I finished closing all the pop-ups, rollovers, and fade-ins that accompanied that web site, I lost all interest in reading the article.
 
2013-04-19 09:49:11 AM  

staplermofo: Remember when speculation on new electronics' had stuff about the insides?
And they'd tell you the voltage with amp hours, you know, since that affects things.


I dunno, a device meant to be carried in your hands being revealed as lighter and thinner seems like it's pretty significant. That was the whole point of Ultrabooks.
 
rpm
2013-04-19 09:55:28 AM  

staplermofo: Remember when speculation on new electronics' had stuff about the insides?
And they'd tell you the voltage with amp hours, you know, since that affects things.


You mean like this?
We therefore think that iPad 5's battery capacity will be 25-30% smaller, at 8,500-9,000mAh, than iPad 4's, and the battery's thickness will be 15-20% smaller, at 7.5-8.0mm, and the number of cells will be reduced to two from three," he explained.
 
2013-04-19 09:55:38 AM  
I thought that the iPad Mini was already the light-weight iPad.  If they shrink the iPad and reduce the battery life I think that would be a step backward.
 
rpm
2013-04-19 09:57:04 AM  
FTFA: one of the key reasons the iPad 3 and 4 didn't meet sales expectations was because they were heavier and thicker than the iPad 2.

Or, I don't know, maybe the market is reaching saturation and the vast majority don't need more powerful tablets for how they use it?
 
2013-04-19 09:59:34 AM  

StrikitRich: I thought that the iPad Mini was already the light-weight iPad.  If they shrink the iPad and reduce the battery life I think that would be a step backward.


Eh, just because the battery has less capacity doesn't mean the device will have less battery life. More efficient components could get the same (or longer) running time out of a smaller battery.
 
2013-04-19 10:03:43 AM  
"Apple" reports? I don't think so.
 
2013-04-19 10:16:48 AM  
iPod Touch v312

Can we stop pretending that Apple has actually released a new product since 2007? It's impressive that they've managed to leverage one product of varying sizes into a successful company, but c'mon.
 
2013-04-19 10:20:36 AM  

skozlaw: iPod Touch v312

Can we stop pretending that Apple has actually released a new product since 2007? It's impressive that they've managed to leverage one product of varying sizes into a successful company, but c'mon.


Don't be a dick. They're a market leader with a few products that consumers seem to enjoy. Deal with it.
 
2013-04-19 10:25:44 AM  
Apple reported nothing.
 
2013-04-19 10:26:45 AM  
It still makes me smile to think that just a few years ago, people who seemed to be legit were saying that nobody would buy a tablet computer.

I also don't feel so bad these days about selling my APPL.
 
2013-04-19 10:29:21 AM  

LasersHurt: Don't be a dick. They're a market leader with a few products that consumers seem to enjoy. Deal with it.


No, they're a market leader with a few versions of the iPod Touch that consumers seem to enjoy.

And I don't have to deal with it, it doesn't affect me any. I just think it's silly we keep pretending that every time they re-release it in a slightly different form factor that it's something new. Especially considering that Apple has more than enough money to afford their own advertising without sites having to give them any for free.

They're worse than EA with the Madden games at this point.
 
2013-04-19 10:32:54 AM  

StrikitRich: If they shrink the iPad and reduce the battery life I think that would be a step backward.


But it's getting a new hat!
 
2013-04-19 10:48:50 AM  

skozlaw: LasersHurt: Don't be a dick. They're a market leader with a few products that consumers seem to enjoy. Deal with it.

No, they're a market leader with a few versions of the iPod Touch that consumers seem to enjoy.

And I don't have to deal with it, it doesn't affect me any. I just think it's silly we keep pretending that every time they re-release it in a slightly different form factor that it's something new. Especially considering that Apple has more than enough money to afford their own advertising without sites having to give them any for free.

They're worse than EA with the Madden games at this point.


But they never just put it in a new form factor, there is always some improvement.

rpm: FTFA: one of the key reasons the iPad 3 and 4 didn't meet sales expectations was because they were heavier and thicker than the iPad 2.

Or, I don't know, maybe the market is reaching saturation and the vast majority don't need more powerful tablets for how they use it?


Thicker and heavier is technically true, realistically there isn't any difference. I have an iPad 2 and 3 and they basically feel the same to me and it is only somewhat noticeable when they are side by side.
 
2013-04-19 11:02:48 AM  
Apple's iPad 5 'to be 25% lighter and 15% thinnerto have 25% less battery life

FTFTA
 
2013-04-19 11:08:25 AM  

staplermofo: Remember when speculation on new electronics' had stuff about the insides? 
And they'd tell you the voltage with amp hours, you know, since that affects things.


Yep and the clock speed of the chip, how wide the data busses were.  How much the formatted capacity minus the OS/firmware was another useful one as well.

Now it's all look at the shiny and who the fascia suppliers are.
 
2013-04-19 11:46:16 AM  
Dear Jerk:
It still makes me smile to think that just a few years ago, people who seemed to be legit were saying that nobody would buy a tablet computer.

I also don't feel so bad these days about selling my APPL.


Sorry people, but the iPad is not a desktop replacement or even a laptop replacement.  It's a glorified smart phone.  Which is saying a lot considering what smart phones can do, but still.
 
2013-04-19 11:58:46 AM  

Dear Jerk: It still makes me smile to think that just a few years ago, people who seemed to be legit were saying that nobody would buy a tablet computer.

I also don't feel so bad these days about selling my APPL.


Wishing you had sold it last year?
 
2013-04-19 12:03:06 PM  

No Such Agency: Dear Jerk:
It still makes me smile to think that just a few years ago, people who seemed to be legit were saying that nobody would buy a tablet computer.

I also don't feel so bad these days about selling my APPL.

Sorry people, but the iPad is not a desktop replacement or even a laptop replacement.  It's a glorified smart phone.  Which is saying a lot considering what smart phones can do, but still.


So if you're carrying a smartphone there is no reason to also have a tablet?
 
2013-04-19 12:05:48 PM  

rpm: FTFA: one of the key reasons the iPad 3 and 4 didn't meet sales expectations was because they were heavier and thicker than the iPad 2.

Or, I don't know, maybe the market is reaching saturation and the vast majority don't need more powerful tablets for how they use it?


Pretty much.  I've got an old IPad 2, the one with the 30pin connector.  It does everything I'd want a slate to do.  I might be in the market for another when it dies sure but why would I junk a working machine that does what I need it to?

And even then I'm not heavily invested in the iOS ecosystem so I may well not get the iPad x when I do want a new one.
 
2013-04-19 12:13:44 PM  
If it can't open file I copy to it from one arbitrary app in another arbitrary app, it's still a huge waste of money.
 
2013-04-19 12:16:52 PM  

likefunbutnot: If it can't open file I copy to it from one arbitrary app in another arbitrary app, it's still a huge waste of money.


Depends on the arbitrary app.  Dropbox and the SMB browser (it's on the appstore I forget its name) seem to be able to feed various files to other arbitrary apps.  Pages however is a bit of a git for not wanting to play nice.
 
2013-04-19 12:17:08 PM  
The tablet-buying crowd are retarded. Pure and thouroughly retarded.

"less battery, but New!!!"

Here is your not-computer that doesn't function like one, yet costs more, enjoy!

/wish I'd thought of it, though
 
2013-04-19 12:27:50 PM  

servlet: StrikitRich: I thought that the iPad Mini was already the light-weight iPad.  If they shrink the iPad and reduce the battery life I think that would be a step backward.

Eh, just because the battery has less capacity doesn't mean the device will have less battery life. More efficient components could get the same (or longer) running time out of a smaller battery.


Know how I know you didn't read the article?
 
2013-04-19 12:28:20 PM  

Tobin_Lam: But they never just put it in a new form factor, there is always some improvement.


True, but it's an iterative development, never a new product. At some point you'd think they'd have to actually release something else. Microsoft got sort of lucky milking Windows + Office installs for so long, but even they're starting to realize they can't ride that gravy train forever, how long is Apple's going to last?
 
2013-04-19 12:39:42 PM  
Carth:
So if you're carrying a smartphone there is no reason to also have a tablet?

I don't know.  They've got bigger displays, that must help some things.  iPad's display is still usually too small for my thoroughly average-sized fingers to easily use the touch screen.  It's still 100x easier for me to do even basic web surfing on a laptop than on a tablet.  Maybe if I needed to access Reddit/Fark/read emails from my boss while on the toilet, I'd think differently.
 
2013-04-19 12:40:51 PM  

sure haven't: The tablet-buying crowd are retarded. Pure and thouroughly retarded.

"less battery, but New!!!"

Here is your not-computer that doesn't function like one, yet costs more, enjoy!

/wish I'd thought of it, though


Know how I know you know nothing about tablet technology?
 
2013-04-19 01:09:12 PM  

skozlaw: iPod Touch v312

Can we stop pretending that Apple has actually released a new product since 2007? It's impressive that they've managed to leverage one product of varying sizes into a successful company, but c'mon.


And really, have cars changed that much since 1894?
Still on 4 wheels, and not yet flying.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-04-19 01:15:32 PM  

sure haven't: The tablet-buying crowd are retarded. Pure and thouroughly retarded.

"less battery, but New!!!"

Here is your not-computer that doesn't function like one, yet costs more, enjoy!

/wish I'd thought of it, though


Here's my tablet that is a full functioning computer.
So you're argument is invalid.
 
2013-04-19 01:19:32 PM  
your, not you're
 
2013-04-19 01:26:04 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: And really, have cars changed that much since 1894?


Actually, yes. Drastically. In fact, the odds that many people alive today would be able to drive that particular "car" you linked without the manual and some significant practice is very, very low. Look at how many people can't even drive a manual transmission anymore. How many people alive today have ever driven an unsynchronized manual? Or even know there was ever a time when you had to match engine speeds yourself? Never mind things like electric starter motors, power steering, EFI, power braking, etc.

I know what with all the emotional attachments people have to their chosen brand identities these days any little criticism is immediately met with a backlash rivaled only by the most dedicated religious fervor (not necessarily you, just saying), but I'm just pointing out that the entire iLine is fundamentally the same basic device with a few different features and form factors.

It made a modicum of sense to do that and they've done it well and reaped the benefits, but at some point they are going to have to actually produce a new product. Hell, look at the iPhone 5. It wasn't a failure by any stretch of the imagination, of course, but it definitely displayed a slowdown in the line.

I'm largely indifferent to Apple products. I don't prefer them, but otherwise I have no particular feelings on them. I just think Apple, as a company, is going to have to come up with something actually new eventually. How many Android manufacturers, for example, only survive by constantly releasing updates to their existing products? Samsung, for example, just sort of keeps re-releasing updated Galaxy products, but they make a lot of other things as well. What else does Apple have that sells in large numbers aside from maybe the Macbook Air?
 
2013-04-19 01:28:51 PM  

skozlaw: it's an iterative development, never a new product. At some point you'd think they'd have to actually release something else.


Why?

I'm not saying that Apple should be content to rest on the laurels of its existing cash cow(s).  I'm challenging the assumption that wholly-new product development has some intrinsic superiority over continued refinement of existing products.
 
2013-04-19 01:32:08 PM  

poot_rootbeer: skozlaw: it's an iterative development, never a new product. At some point you'd think they'd have to actually release something else.

Why?

I'm not saying that Apple should be content to rest on the laurels of its existing cash cow(s).  I'm challenging the assumption that wholly-new product development has some intrinsic superiority over continued refinement of existing products.


Hey, you don't see people making iterative sizes and forms of Android smartphones, do you?

Oh wait yes you do, you see exactly that.

/he's way off the mark
 
2013-04-19 01:34:23 PM  

LasersHurt: Know how I know you know nothing about tablet technology?


Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Here's my tablet that is a full functioning computer.
So you're argument is invalid.


I have many more issues with tablets than just the computing limitations.
Although I am not shocked in the least my attitude resulted in what looks like two tablet-buying people responding in kind.

How did you ever do your... surfing? Emailing? Before you spent hundreds upon hundreds of dollars for a screen?

It doesn't matter, nothing I say will convince you, nothing you say will convince me. I stand by my words, and I stand by my wish that I had thought of it.

/sucker born every minute
 
2013-04-19 01:41:36 PM  

sure haven't: LasersHurt: Know how I know you know nothing about tablet technology?

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Here's my tablet that is a full functioning computer.
So you're argument is invalid.

I have many more issues with tablets than just the computing limitations.
Although I am not shocked in the least my attitude resulted in what looks like two tablet-buying people responding in kind.

How did you ever do your... surfing? Emailing? Before you spent hundreds upon hundreds of dollars for a screen?

It doesn't matter, nothing I say will convince you, nothing you say will convince me. I stand by my words, and I stand by my wish that I had thought of it.

/sucker born every minute


I realize you're probably just trolling, but I actually work with mobile software so I have several tablets, through work. You're right that I do my main work on my desktop - I have 3 monitors, etc.

That in NO WAY invalidates the enormous amount of use I've gotten from tablets, totally incidental to my work. Everything from D&D to live music (was in a band for a while) to casual surfing at night in bed.

I assume that, in a decade more when tablets go by the wayside, you'll declare victory in this, completely unaware of how stupid you'll have looked the whole time.
 
2013-04-19 01:42:54 PM  

sure haven't: LasersHurt: Know how I know you know nothing about tablet technology?

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Here's my tablet that is a full functioning computer.
So you're argument is invalid.

I have many more issues with tablets than just the computing limitations.
Although I am not shocked in the least my attitude resulted in what looks like two tablet-buying people responding in kind.

How did you ever do your... surfing? Emailing? Before you spent hundreds upon hundreds of dollars for a screen?

It doesn't matter, nothing I say will convince you, nothing you say will convince me. I stand by my words, and I stand by my wish that I had thought of it.

/sucker born every minute



Some of us that leave the comfort of our mothers basement, actually have use for a tablet computer. Nothing I say will convince you, since you have no real world experience to understand the need for a portable computing device.
 
2013-04-19 01:55:50 PM  

poot_rootbeer: I'm challenging the assumption that wholly-new product development has some intrinsic superiority over continued refinement of existing products.


I don't know that it has to be superior, but I would think it has to be present. How many companies are there that continue to exist over long periods of time and maintain their success without developing new product lines?

And the other problem they have is the issue of leapfrogging. They already make technically inferior phones most of the time because their product development is naturally behind that of their main rival which is split across multiple companies all competing and developing the Next Big Thing. They release one big update and they're on top and then - BAM - two months later they're completely leapfrogged by two or three competing Android products because the lifecycle on Android phones moves so much faster with all the manufacturers working on it.

It just seems not terribly safe, to me, to rest your entire company on the shoulders of one line of products. They have incredible brand loyalty, but tech consumers are fickle and it often doesn't take much to drag their attention elsewhere.

LasersHurt: /he's way off the mark


How many large cap Android manufacturers exist primarily because of their Android devices and nothing else? I can think of one: HTC. And they've taken a beating in the arena in recent years because basically one generation of their phones stopped being competitive and Samsung knocked them right off the rails.
 
2013-04-19 02:48:14 PM  
So what I'm getting from this thread is that Apple has to bring out a whole new product

StrikitRich: servlet: StrikitRich: I thought that the iPad Mini was already the light-weight iPad.  If they shrink the iPad and reduce the battery life I think that would be a step backward.

Eh, just because the battery has less capacity doesn't mean the device will have less battery life. More efficient components could get the same (or longer) running time out of a smaller battery.

Know how I know you didn't read the article?


Know how I know you don't know what you're talking about? With the new screen technology they will be using, the smaller battery will still give the same battery life as the current model.

Oh wait, the other guy said that already. Know how I know you didn't read his post?
 
2013-04-19 02:48:34 PM  

skozlaw: Tobin_Lam: But they never just put it in a new form factor, there is always some improvement.

True, but it's an iterative development, never a new product. At some point you'd think they'd have to actually release something else. Microsoft got sort of lucky milking Windows + Office installs for so long, but even they're starting to realize they can't ride that gravy train forever, how long is Apple's going to last?


I was going to say something about the iPad mini but then I remembered the iPad part of the name. It isn't exactly a new product though it has never existed before.
 
2013-04-19 02:51:07 PM  

skozlaw: poot_rootbeer: I'm challenging the assumption that wholly-new product development has some intrinsic superiority over continued refinement of existing products.

I don't know that it has to be superior, but I would think it has to be present. How many companies are there that continue to exist over long periods of time and maintain their success without developing new product lines?

And the other problem they have is the issue of leapfrogging. They already make technically inferior phones most of the time because their product development is naturally behind that of their main rival which is split across multiple companies all competing and developing the Next Big Thing. They release one big update and they're on top and then - BAM - two months later they're completely leapfrogged by two or three competing Android products because the lifecycle on Android phones moves so much faster with all the manufacturers working on it.

It just seems not terribly safe, to me, to rest your entire company on the shoulders of one line of products. They have incredible brand loyalty, but tech consumers are fickle and it often doesn't take much to drag their attention elsewhere.

LasersHurt: /he's way off the mark

How many large cap Android manufacturers exist primarily because of their Android devices and nothing else? I can think of one: HTC. And they've taken a beating in the arena in recent years because basically one generation of their phones stopped being competitive and Samsung knocked them right off the rails.


HTC has been competitive, but the problem is that their last few years of phones have had serious quality control issues, especially the 1x.  I work for ATT and I look at our returns for HTC phones with factory defects and they are abnormally high.  "I love the phone, it just never works."

Apple has a huge loyal base plus it it seen as a must have fashion item, which is why they will be fine in the long run.  Plus, the majority of I device users are not tech savvy, they just use them for making calls and sending emails.    Many of our iphone users do not download apps, get email, or even use their data plan.  They just got one because they thought it was cool to have one.
 
2013-04-19 06:14:40 PM  

theflatline: HTC has been competitive


Samsung and Apple consume more than 70% of the market. LG and HTC are third and fourth and HTC just reported a record low quarterly profit because the One, which they desperately need to try and bump their market share over 10%, was delayed.

They're surviving, but it's a continued struggle, and if they don't either get the One moving or manage to branch out with their Windows phones, they're in a lot of trouble.
 
2013-04-19 10:56:40 PM  

skozlaw: Samsung, for example, just sort of keeps re-releasing updated Galaxy products, but they make a lot of other things as well. What else does Apple have that sells in large numbers aside from maybe the Macbook Air?


Samsung makes everything from smartphones, to tablets, to central air conditioners, to howitzers. I'm waiting for Apple to release the iNuke.
 
2013-04-20 12:25:20 AM  

skozlaw: How many companies are there that continue to exist over long periods of time and maintain their success without developing new product lines?


I understand your point.  I mean, if the Pontificia Fonderia Marinelli hadn't branched out from only making cathedral bells to also making architectural portals and bas-reliefs, maybe they wouldn't have survived from AD 1000 up to the present day.

I'm not sure why people have the belief Apple isn't developing any new product lines, though.  Surely everyone's heard the rumors of Apple TV sets and watches that are supposedly just around the corner?

They release one big update and they're on top and then - BAM - two months later they're completely leapfrogged by two or three competing Android products because the lifecycle on Android phones moves so much faster with all the manufacturers working on it.

Faster lifecycles also generally mean a faster product discontinuation, too.  The newest version of iOS is compatible with every iPhone model back to the 3G, launched in 2009.

How many Android phones shipped four years ago with 2.0 Eclair but are upgradeable to 4.2 Jelly Bean?
 
2013-04-20 12:56:58 AM  

poot_rootbeer: Faster lifecycles also generally mean a faster product discontinuation, too. The newest version of iOS is compatible with every iPhone model back to the 3G, launched in 2009.


Compatible, but probably not recommended.  My iPad (1st Gen) is a lot worse for taking the iOS upgrades.  Ran better before.  How many people's iPhones became basically unusable due to an upgrade?
 
2013-04-20 05:28:52 AM  
poot_rootbeer:
How many Android phones shipped four years ago with 2.0 Eclair but are upgradeable to 4.2 Jelly Bean?

Theoretically all of them.  But it's conditional on a) the OEM didn't abandon that phone the second it came out (Samsung were notorious for this, still are to some degree) or b) you got a popular handset that hackers like CyanogenMOD support.

However jamming a modern Android build on to such an old phone generally results in the same as shoving the latest iOS on to a 3G.   It'll run yeah, but really god damn slowly as its perpetually RAM starved and short on CPU cycles for background tasks.

I had one of the original G1's and there were some really good arguments about not upgrading it past a certain point; it just didn't have the resources to cope (but I miss that little bastards keyboard compared to my HTC Desire so much).
 
2013-04-20 06:07:55 AM  
Any advantage in it being thinner and lighter? does thinner and lighter sound like a killer idea to you at this point? Does anyone think they are too thick and heavy right now?

DO SOMETHING COOL. NOW.
 
2013-04-20 06:58:56 AM  

gaspode: Any advantage in it being thinner and lighter? does thinner and lighter sound like a killer idea to you at this point? Does anyone think they are too thick and heavy right now?

DO SOMETHING COOL. NOW.


They are thin and light now but they could stand to lose more weight.
 
2013-04-20 09:17:26 AM  

Carth: No Such Agency: Dear Jerk:
It still makes me smile to think that just a few years ago, people who seemed to be legit were saying that nobody would buy a tablet computer.

I also don't feel so bad these days about selling my APPL.

Sorry people, but the iPad is not a desktop replacement or even a laptop replacement.  It's a glorified smart phone.  Which is saying a lot considering what smart phones can do, but still.

So if you're carrying a smartphone there is no reason to also have a tablet?


I have a tablet, and I'm thinking of getting rid of the smartphone.  The things I like about the smartphone are better on a bigger screen.  At this point I could save a lot of money by just going back to an old flip phone for calls and texts, and using the tablet for the other stuff.
 
2013-04-20 10:20:27 AM  

Orgasmatron138: Carth: No Such Agency: Dear Jerk:
It still makes me smile to think that just a few years ago, people who seemed to be legit were saying that nobody would buy a tablet computer.

I also don't feel so bad these days about selling my APPL.

Sorry people, but the iPad is not a desktop replacement or even a laptop replacement.  It's a glorified smart phone.  Which is saying a lot considering what smart phones can do, but still.

So if you're carrying a smartphone there is no reason to also have a tablet?

I have a tablet, and I'm thinking of getting rid of the smartphone.  The things I like about the smartphone are better on a bigger screen.  At this point I could save a lot of money by just going back to an old flip phone for calls and texts, and using the tablet for the other stuff.


I bet the cost would even out once you get a data plan for your tablet.
 
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