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2013-04-19 01:54:19 PM  

FitzShivering: scp747: kumanoki: Fano: CPT Ethanolic: It's not.  In fact, there's far less shooting in general than in the previous bioshocks.

maybe i need to play on hard mode, but yeah, there aren't nearly as many foes around, and i spray plenty of hot lead without running out. not even using that much vigor.

My second playthrough challenge is to use no ballistic weapons. Only vigors and skyhook.

Good luck with the Handyman on that.

The Handyman can be killed that way using certain gear items and vigor combos.  It's just incredibly, incredibly tedious.  FYI, the same gear combo can be used anywhere outside of 1999 mode to make the final battle (no spoilers, so won't explain) a cake walk, since the combo works best on enemies in groups.


Can you post that combination? Just strikethrough, superscript, and small the text so people won't be able to read it unless they quote you.

Like this!
 
2013-04-19 02:35:10 PM  

Gunther: nocturnal001: I'm about 1/3 through the game, it's good, but the reviews are better than what I'm seeing. The story isn't drawing me in nearly as much as Bioshock 1

Goddamn dude, get out of this thread and stay off the internet until you beat it. The plot takes a while to build up but ends up fantastic (it's much, much better than Bioshock's) but isincredibly easy to ruin with spoilers.

/"bring us the girl and wipe away your debt" should be the new "would you kindly?"


You have to play it all the way through. The game builds and builds and it's the very end that explodes with awesomeness. (And no that isn't a sex analogy)
 
2013-04-19 02:51:42 PM  
Spoilers?


Playing 1999 mode, I am very frustrated at trying to kill Lady Comstock. I am stuck with crappy weapons and the vigors do not do too much except prevent all the undead guys from surrounding you. I'm sure I can find a way but it is just tedious. I am also avoiding the dollar bill machines to get that achievement.

The Handyman can be annoying but once you take out everyone else and can focus on the handyman it's not too bad. Just get him to electrify the skyhook and pump him full of rounds to the heart. You can also bring in tesla coils at one area to slow him down.

Firemen and Crows are annoying but just use bucking bronco and the water vigor to push them off columbia.

Mechanized Patriot is frustrating. There are times you can leave them alone and they act stupid. But then they rush you and pump 100 rounds at you or bash you in the face.
 
2013-04-19 03:53:35 PM  

ActionJoe: Playing 1999 mode, I am very frustrated at trying to kill Lady Comstock. I am stuck with crappy weapons and the vigors do not do too much except prevent all the undead guys from surrounding you. I'm sure I can find a way but it is just tedious. I am also avoiding the dollar bill machines to get that achievement.

The Handyman can be annoying but once you take out everyone else and can focus on the handyman it's not too bad. Just get him to electrify the skyhook and pump him full of rounds to the heart. You can also bring in tesla coils at one area to slow him down.

Firemen and Crows are annoying but just use bucking bronco and the water vigor to push them off columbia.   Mechanized Patriot is frustrating. There are times you can leave them alone and they act stupid. But then they rush you and pump 100 rounds at you or bash you in the face.


I just beat the game this morning(1999 Mode) and man oh man. Good game.

The Lady Comstock fight in the graveyard was one of the three absurdly hard fights for me. I don't even know offhand how I killed her, because I was running away or hiding or randomly shooting after the 15th death or so and suddenly she died. So that was a random gimme. But I was throwing a lot of Hand Cannon rounds at her head, and having the Gear that boosts your speed 50% when your shield breaks is clutch. The other two were the first Handman fight, or whatever one you don't have access to a Skyrail for. Any Handyman fight with a skyrail isn't too bad. And finally, the "defend the core" fight wrecked me ~10 times or so before I figured out you can ride the skyrail all the way up to the top. So when you get to that part, just keep that in mind and it may change your strategy after you die the first few times(and you will). I won't outright ruin it for you though.
 
2013-04-19 03:58:27 PM  

VTGremlin: The Lady Comstock fight in the graveyard was one of the three absurdly hard fights for me. I don't even know offhand how I killed her, because I was running away or hiding or randomly shooting after the 15th death or so and suddenly she died. So that was a random gimme. But I was throwing a lot of Hand Cannon rounds at her head, and having the Gear that boosts your speed 50% when your shield breaks is clutch. The other two were the first Handman fight, or whatever one you don't have access to a Skyrail for. Any Handyman fight with a skyrail isn't too bad. And finally, the "defend the core" fight wrecked me ~10 times or so before I figured out you can ride the skyrail all the way up to the top. So when you get to that part, just keep that in mind and it may change your strategy after you die the first few times(and you will). I won't outright ruin it for you though.


That's one of the few things I don't like about the game. I remember walking into an area and being swarmed by so many bad guys I was just hiding behind a wall and waiting for them to come around the corner with the shotgun. Then I walked into the area and realized I could've opened a tear for a tesla coil, a rocket launcher, an automated turret, etc. Had no time to strategize until after the firefight was over.
 
2013-04-19 05:27:19 PM  

Ambivalence: It's as though people don't realize it's an FPS  Bioshock infinite is not an RPG. It's not a racing game. It's not an arcade or a fishing game, it's a first person SHOOTER.  There are guns and lots of shooting. That is the entire point.

That being said, I usually hate FPS, but this is the singular exception. Bioshock infinite is an incredible game. Period.  Anyone who thinks otherwise clearly doesn't get gaming (and has sand in their vaginas).


NOT A FISHING GAME?

I want my farking money back!
 
2013-04-19 05:50:33 PM  
Played the game through twice now and the one thing I found is that the game is just to linear.
Play one area then onto the next. The only thing that saved it for me was the graphics were just incredible and
having a great sidekick in Elizabeth was pretty cool. Finished the first play through of the game in just a shade over 11 hours for $60 that's
too short in my opinion. Dishonored was a much better game play wise.
 
2013-04-19 06:06:52 PM  

Mad_Radhu: I was a little bummed it never appeared in the final game.


files.g4tv.com

This exact image... no, however it was essentially in there.
 
2013-04-19 06:19:06 PM  

Nefarious: Mad_Radhu: I was a little bummed it never appeared in the final game.

[files.g4tv.com image 600x300]

This exact image... no, however it was essentially in there.


I didn't catch it the first time through, myself.
 
2013-04-19 06:20:12 PM  
This game was easier than Windows 8. None of you can play it.
 
2013-04-19 06:45:55 PM  

Nefarious: Mad_Radhu: I was a little bummed it never appeared in the final game.

[files.g4tv.com image 600x300]

This exact image... no, however it was essentially in there.


And there's actually a point to it not being the exact same image.
 
2013-04-19 06:49:43 PM  

RexTalionis: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 640x359]


My favorite part of the game right there, now in motion!

Link
 
2013-04-19 06:56:45 PM  

neuroflare: RexTalionis: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 640x359]

My favorite part of the game right there, now in motion!

Link


Even better: .gif form
 
2013-04-19 07:05:12 PM  

scottydoesntknow: neuroflare: RexTalionis: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 640x359]

My favorite part of the game right there, now in motion!

Link

Even better: .gif form


*right click* *save* Thank you very much.
 
2013-04-19 07:10:45 PM  

nocturnal001: Gunther: nocturnal001: I'm about 1/3 through the game, it's good, but the reviews are better than what I'm seeing. The story isn't drawing me in nearly as much as Bioshock 1

Goddamn dude, get out of this thread and stay off the internet until you beat it. The plot takes a while to build up but ends up fantastic (it's much, much better than Bioshock's) but isincredibly easy to ruin with spoilers.

/"bring us the girl and wipe away your debt" should be the new "would you kindly?"

I'm staying away from the spoilers for sure. But good to know it builds.


Just being in this thread is a massive spoiler.  Get out now!
 
2013-04-19 10:53:24 PM  
This game has given me an irrational fear of George Washington.
 
2013-04-19 11:26:06 PM  

hundreddollarman: This game has given me an irrational fear of George Washington.


I was telling my wife that I was having nightmares of being chased by a robot George Washington on a regular basis after playing this game :)

My take on Booker is thus -

He knows that Elizabeth is his daughter and what he is there to do, but as the Luteces explain, when they bring Booker across to the Columbia reality his mind reconstructs his past so that his motivation becomes to "Get the girl and wipe away the debts".  Reasonably this is probably a result of his overwhelming guilt for giving away his daughter in the first place - which would be the debt, and also explains his overwhelming desire to find her and bring her back to New York - even though really no one is waiting there for her and there is no gambling debt to clear.

This isn't pure speculation on my part because there is a scene early on in the game (as well as represented in a flashback) where the male Lutece (can't remember his name) mentions that Booker is reconstructing his memories and that he "knows" because he went through it himself - obviously when he was brought through to Columbia from his own reality.

It puts a lot more gravity on the scene where Booker beats Comstock to death and how he flys off the handle about Elizabeth's maimed finger and how Comstock is trying to "put it on him' even though he claims not to know - on a deep level he remembers everything and the emotions are coming out even if the direct remembrance isn't there.
 
2013-04-20 02:20:53 AM  

TwistedFark: hundreddollarman: This game has given me an irrational fear of George Washington.

I was telling my wife that I was having nightmares of being chased by a robot George Washington on a regular basis after playing this game :)

My take on Booker is thus -

He knows that Elizabeth is his daughter and what he is there to do, but as the Luteces explain, when they bring Booker across to the Columbia reality his mind reconstructs his past so that his motivation becomes to "Get the girl and wipe away the debts".  Reasonably this is probably a result of his overwhelming guilt for giving away his daughter in the first place - which would be the debt, and also explains his overwhelming desire to find her and bring her back to New York - even though really no one is waiting there for her and there is no gambling debt to clear.

This isn't pure speculation on my part because there is a scene early on in the game (as well as represented in a flashback) where the male Lutece (can't remember his name) mentions that Booker is reconstructing his memories and that he "knows" because he went through it himself - obviously when he was brought through to Columbia from his own reality.

It puts a lot more gravity on the scene where Booker beats Comstock to death and how he flys off the handle about Elizabeth's maimed finger and how Comstock is trying to "put it on him' even though he claims not to know - on a deep level he remembers everything and the emotions are coming out even if the direct remembrance isn't there.


My understanding was that a person who has been dragged through a tear has to reconstruct their memories because certain events they lived through never happened in that new reality, so there is nothing there to remember.  Like the game is saying that events can only be recalled by people physically present in the same universe.  When Booker crosses over, his brain doesn't know how to call up most of Comstock's memories, because they didn't both live through Comstock's life.  But both men remember everything up to the baptism, and both men remember DeWitt making a deal to give a girl to a man he doesn't like in New York, in exchange for wiping away a debt.  DeWitt's brain tries to remember giving away Anna, but can only see it from Comstock's perspective of how he saw DeWitt at the time.
 
2013-04-20 02:40:29 AM  

HotWingAgenda: My understanding was that a person who has been dragged through a tear has to reconstruct their memories because certain events they lived through never happened in that new reality, so there is nothing there to remember.  Like the game is saying that events can only be recalled by people physically present in the same universe.  When Booker crosses over, his brain doesn't know how to call up most of Comstock's memories, because they didn't both live through Comstock's life.  But both men remember everything up to the baptism, and both men remember DeWitt making a deal to give a girl to a man he doesn't like in New York, in exchange for wiping away a debt.  DeWitt's brain tries to remember giving away Anna, but can only see it from Comstock's perspective of how he saw DeWitt at the time.


Did he believe that Anna was his wife early on?  Maybe that's MY brain trying to fill in the gaps.
 
2013-04-20 02:55:47 AM  
No, I was right.  He thought she was his wife, but he said "I don't like to think about it" when Elizabeth mentioned her, like his brain filled in a fragile story that would fall apart if he tried to remember details hard enough.  Obviously, he had a wife, she died at some point, and she may have also been known as Anna, but any thoughts of her would betray the fact that she died during childbirth and he had a daughter.

Also, yeah, there's quite a few different faces of Booker around the game.  Maybe that's the point?  Different versions of Booker from different realities?

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