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2013-04-19 09:22:06 AM
3 votes:

Neondistraction: xtragrind: These brothers then seemed to spend some time in Kazakhstan so as much as the morons on fark don't want it to be a religious thing and were hoping for some NRA guy, it's going to end up being a religious thing.

I tend to think that the people who blame entire religions for the actions of a few individuals are the morons.


It's not the "whole religion" as much as a particular brand of it, but in some cases...

www.whale.to

Yeah, an entire religion can be bad.

The problem with Islam is that it is in dire need of global reform. Judaism and Christianity are Abrahamic religions, just as Islam is.... Christianity veered off into the "forgiveness" angle, but Islam veered off into the "justify our tribal culture" angle. Judaism and Christianity are also both fairly organized, and as such, have seen considerable reform. There are still sects that are backward, violent, and in general, BAD, but those sects represent a very small number, compared to those who practice their religion in a reformed manner. Islam pretty much codifies the tribal angle, and it cannot be questioned.... you really aren't as free to interpret (in fact, it might be all that wrongful interpretation done by the Catholics, and the blowback of Protestantism that allowed it to be more adapted to reform). Almost every problem child sect of a major religion is "Fundamentalist" in nature.

Ultimately, we need to stop the line of thought that calling a cultural movement a "religion" somehow gives it protective status from criticism. Bad culture is still bad culture. When people are willing to kill themselves and innocents in the service to that religion, why to so many people feel moved to defend it? This guy's mentor probably was his "bureau chief" - but first and foremost, he was his Imam. His religious leader. His religious leader did nothing to save him, or turn him from a course of murdering people... he encouraged him.

It's not an indictment of everybody who follows that religion, and certainly many live at peace, both in practice and in their hearts with those who do not share their religion; but as we've seen time and time again, there are many among us who don't have that peace in their heart. The seeds of that disease are ingrained and codified by a guy who lived 1500 years ago in a pretty brutal era of human history.

I don't know why anybody defends a religion that encourages slavery, taxation, murder, and lying, as long as they are dealing with non-believers.
2013-04-19 08:45:32 AM
3 votes:

keypusher: nekom: This is what's REALLY baffling me this morning.  Now that the suspects are ID'd and their life is flashing before our eyes via their social media presence and such...  They had a life here.  A decent life.  Why throw that all away?

Guessing, they:

1) hated our "permissive" society

2) hated what we do in the Middle East.


This is really the kind of sh*t that brings out my inner gun-toting right-winger. I just have no regard for people who come over here from their crap countries and live comfortably as they talk about how f*cked up and evil we are. . . much less kill innocents on in the name of their glorious political/religious views.

Honestly, just stay in your third-world sh*tholes.
2013-04-19 08:32:05 AM
3 votes:
This is what's REALLY baffling me this morning.  Now that the suspects are ID'd and their life is flashing before our eyes via their social media presence and such...  They had a life here.  A decent life.  Why throw that all away?
2013-04-19 09:49:10 AM
2 votes:

bungle_jr: markfara: keypusher: nekom: This is what's REALLY baffling me this morning.  Now that the suspects are ID'd and their life is flashing before our eyes via their social media presence and such...  They had a life here.  A decent life.  Why throw that all away?

Guessing, they:

1) hated our "permissive" society

2) hated what we do in the Middle East.

This is really the kind of sh*t that brings out my inner gun-toting right-winger. I just have no regard for people who come over here from their crap countries and live comfortably as they talk about how f*cked up and evil we are. . . much less kill innocents on in the name of their glorious political/religious views.

Honestly, just stay in your third-world sh*tholes.

couldn't have said it better myself


Aw man! I remember my brother-in-law from Central Asia got mad at me for driving a car. He refused to get into a car if a woman drove. When I refused to cook his majesty dinner because I was busy with my  children he threw a huge fit in my home. He is never allowed in my house again. I would not let my daughter see a man treat women like he does. His wife just worships him and defends his crap. They treat women like total crap so to see a society where women drive and work etc must be driving those jerks crazy. AND THE WOMEN defend it. Probably couldn't find a girl to worship at their feet. My brother-in-law had an arranged marriage and she is threatened to comply with his dictatorship. So the uncle is right that they are losers. I don't care how educated they are- they are losers

Yeah, I am so bitter
2013-04-19 10:38:37 AM
1 votes:

liam76: liam76: LesserEvil: Yeah, an entire religion can be bad.

The problem with Islam is that it is in dire need of global reform.

I don't think you can say an entire religion is "bad".  But I get your point.  Islam has two big problems.

1 The guy you are supposed to model your life after and strive to be like did some very farked up shiat that is completely irreconcilable with freedoms most western people agree on.

2 They are still a fundamentalist religion.  There is no major branch of Islam that doesn't see the Koran as the direct word of God.  Which makes it that much more difficult to say the things that soem of the things Mo did were wrong and shoudl not be emulated.

Cant' fix the first until you fix the second.  And until that happens Islam is going to be "worse" when it comes to shiat liek this.

BTW, be prepared to be labeled an islamaphobe and have people accuse you of hating all muslims.


Yes, I know.

I actually have friends who are Muslim, and some I know well enough to discuss this stuff with, and they agree - of course, they also drink and while they avoid pork, they don't think it's the end of the world if they accidentally ingest it, so the whole "immutable word of God" thing isn't as true with them.

Not having a true "central authority" doesn't help matters. While there are sects, and even ayatollahs and imams, these aren't hard and fast assignments, and very localized.

Mohammed spent his whole life writing rules for Muslims that basically aped what Arabic culture was already steeped in, justifying it as "the word of God" - which helped him convert the entire peninsula by the time he died. Most other religions flew in the face of what those tribes had done in practice for millenia, so logically, one that is "customized" to make their practices legitimate would be supported by the elders.
2013-04-19 10:05:25 AM
1 votes:

Mr. Right: I thought Chechnya hated Russia.  What's the beef with the U.S.?


The CIA trained a bunch of terrorists in the region to fight the Soviets, then stabbed them in the back and left them to the Russians after the Cold War ended. You know, same thing that happened in Afghanistan.
2013-04-19 09:44:33 AM
1 votes:

Mr. Right: I thought Chechnya hated Russia.  What's the beef with the U.S.?


Lors Dukajev blew himself up recently in Denmark, but his goal was Jyllands Posten.

These Chechnyans don't care, they're just radical muslims.

/I know you haven't heard of Lors Dukajev, which is kinda weird really. I guess bombs are only interesting to Americans if they happen in the USA, in which case they go completely mental for years over it.
2013-04-19 09:28:10 AM
1 votes:
2013-04-19 09:20:17 AM
1 votes:

jack21221: NASAM: Sorry American media.  Not the white, homegrown, anti government terrorist you were hoping for.

Well, they're white, and they've been here since they were kids, so they were kind of homegrown.

So it's not the middle eastern Al Qaeda cell you were hoping for either.


One has to wonder just what political views these two were exposed to as they were growing up. I'd love to know more about their parents.
2013-04-19 09:19:35 AM
1 votes:
heard one thing that he 'may have posted' about not having any american friends.

assimilation is difficult for many people. chechens also don't seem known for assimilating very well either. i was in afghanistan for two years and my afghan colleauges and staff ticked off all the foreign fighters they had come in contact with. saudis felt they were better than anybody, pakistanis just wanted to kill and it didn't seem to matter if it was a westerner or an afghan,etc... but the chechens...they scared the afghanis that i know and didn't seem to want to mingle with their muslim brothers as much as others.
2013-04-19 09:19:10 AM
1 votes:

NASAM: Sorry American media.  Not the white, homegrown, anti government terrorist you were hoping for.


Well, they're white, and they've been here since they were kids, so they were kind of homegrown.

So it's not the middle eastern Al Qaeda cell you were hoping for either.
2013-04-19 09:14:57 AM
1 votes:

Flakeloaf: keypusher: markfara: keypusher: nekom: This is what's REALLY baffling me this morning.  Now that the suspects are ID'd and their life is flashing before our eyes via their social media presence and such...  They had a life here.  A decent life.  Why throw that all away?

Guessing, they:

1) hated our "permissive" society

2) hated what we do in the Middle East.

This is really the kind of sh*t that brings out my inner gun-toting right-winger. I just have no regard for people who come over here from their crap countries and live comfortably as they talk about how f*cked up and evil we are. . . much less kill innocents on in the name of their glorious political/religious views.

Honestly, just stay in your third-world sh*tholes.

OK, not to stir the shiat or anything, and this doesn't apply to the brothers, since as far as I know we've never done anything in Chechnya, but suppose you're an Iraqi and an American bomb killed your family?

Or an innocent guy whose neighbour sold him out to a foreign occupying force that grabbed him, stuck a bag on his head and few him to a gulag where he will be held indefinitely and never be tried with any crime because of the potential threat posed by such a person if he were acquitted. It's a good thing that's illegal.


Those things piss me off, too. Next question?
2013-04-19 09:14:36 AM
1 votes:
Sorry American media.  Not the white, homegrown, anti government terrorist you were hoping for.
2013-04-19 09:06:06 AM
1 votes:
We don't need to invade Chechnya. Russia's already doing a good job of obliterating the place and ethnically cleansing the hell out of it.
2013-04-19 09:03:41 AM
1 votes:

keypusher: markfara: keypusher: nekom: This is what's REALLY baffling me this morning.  Now that the suspects are ID'd and their life is flashing before our eyes via their social media presence and such...  They had a life here.  A decent life.  Why throw that all away?

Guessing, they:

1) hated our "permissive" society

2) hated what we do in the Middle East.

This is really the kind of sh*t that brings out my inner gun-toting right-winger. I just have no regard for people who come over here from their crap countries and live comfortably as they talk about how f*cked up and evil we are. . . much less kill innocents on in the name of their glorious political/religious views.

Honestly, just stay in your third-world sh*tholes.

OK, not to stir the shiat or anything, and this doesn't apply to the brothers, since as far as I know we've never done anything in Chechnya, but suppose you're an Iraqi and an American bomb killed your family?


Or an innocent guy whose neighbour sold him out to a foreign occupying force that grabbed him, stuck a bag on his head and few him to a gulag where he will be held indefinitely and never be tried with any crime because of the potential threat posed by such a person if he were acquitted. It's a good thing that's illegal.
2013-04-19 09:00:42 AM
1 votes:
Here's his youtube page, for what it's worth:

http://www.youtube.com/user/muazseyfullah/videos
2013-04-19 08:53:40 AM
1 votes:

BHShaman: Mr. Right: I thought Chechnya hated Russia.  What's the beef with the U.S.?

Their plight gets headline news.
Which may also be the reason for the suicide run of shooting campus police, stealing his ride, robbing a 7-11, and a shoot out.


Though aligning the US with Russia might also serve their needs.
It would be their hope that tying the US to Russia may also unit Islamic Extremist in hate for both allowing for joint doctrine in "see large decadent country oppressing us" leaflets.


I severely doubt this is some international scheme.  While Dummy and the Farktard may have thought the above, this seems the most retarded way to achieve it if you are actually some Chechyan masterminding the above scheme.  You have to contend with OKC and 9/11, after all.  Taking out 3 whole people in Boston does not even begin to make you a big enough threat to justify Russia letting the US into the area*.  These yahoos may have thought "we will instigate Global Thermonuclear Jihad", but actual Chechyan evil masterminds are probably just glad Darwin is removing them from the genepool

* And that ain't gonna happen.  There is no way the Russians want the US camped out on their border  If the US were to actually push for access to Chechnya, it is more likely to result in the US and Russia getting into it, than Russia letting us in.  In the same way, the US would freak out if Russia wanted to import troops to Baja California.
2013-04-19 08:42:11 AM
1 votes:

rattchett: Mr. Right: I thought Chechnya hated Russia.  What's the beef with the U.S.?

They took a wrong turn at Albuquerque.


They were trying to blow up Pismo Beach?
2013-04-19 08:39:17 AM
1 votes:

Mr. Right: I thought Chechnya hated Russia.  What's the beef with the U.S.?


There is a percentage of Chechnya that has the standard Muslim beef with the U.S.  These brothers then seemed to spend some time in Kazakhstan so as much as the morons on fark don't want it to be a religious thing and were hoping for some NRA guy, it's going to end up being a religious thing.
2013-04-19 08:34:23 AM
1 votes:

Flakeloaf: Mr. Right: I thought Chechnya hated Russia.  What's the beef with the U.S.?

Their chief export is mercenaries. More than a few of the "Afghan militants" caught or killed are Chechens.


Thanks.
2013-04-19 08:32:54 AM
1 votes:
What is it about Central Asia that the US gets the blowback from Russia's poor decision-making skills there?
2013-04-19 08:30:11 AM
1 votes:

Mr. Right: I thought Chechnya hated Russia.  What's the beef with the U.S.?


Their chief export is mercenaries. More than a few of the "Afghan militants" caught or killed are Chechens.
2013-04-19 08:28:47 AM
1 votes:
When Putin was reached for comment he said, "See?!?"
2013-04-19 08:25:09 AM
1 votes:

markfara: I'm assuming we'll be invading Iran soon?


Well, these guys are from Chechnya, so Iran probably had as much to do with this bombing as Iraq did with 9/11.
2013-04-19 08:20:52 AM
1 votes:
I'm assuming we'll be invading Iran soon?
2013-04-19 08:17:25 AM
1 votes:
So he could have been a contender?
 
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