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2013-04-19 08:17:25 AM
So he could have been a contender?
 
2013-04-19 08:19:39 AM
Done in one,.
 
2013-04-19 08:20:40 AM
Well, I couldn't read the article. Some autoplay video came on, freaked me out and I closed the page...
 
2013-04-19 08:20:52 AM
I'm assuming we'll be invading Iran soon?
 
2013-04-19 08:23:43 AM
He doesn't need to get to the gym in 26 minutes any more.
 
2013-04-19 08:25:09 AM

markfara: I'm assuming we'll be invading Iran soon?


Well, these guys are from Chechnya, so Iran probably had as much to do with this bombing as Iraq did with 9/11.
 
2013-04-19 08:26:24 AM

Neondistraction: markfara: I'm assuming we'll be invading Iran soon?

Well, these guys are from Chechnya, so Iran probably had as much to do with this bombing as Iraq did with 9/11.


Precisely my point.
 
2013-04-19 08:28:47 AM
When Putin was reached for comment he said, "See?!?"
 
2013-04-19 08:29:09 AM
I thought Chechnya hated Russia.  What's the beef with the U.S.?
 
2013-04-19 08:30:11 AM

Mr. Right: I thought Chechnya hated Russia.  What's the beef with the U.S.?


Their chief export is mercenaries. More than a few of the "Afghan militants" caught or killed are Chechens.
 
2013-04-19 08:30:29 AM

markfara: Neondistraction: markfara: I'm assuming we'll be invading Iran soon?

Well, these guys are from Chechnya, so Iran probably had as much to do with this bombing as Iraq did with 9/11.

Precisely my point.


I'd be impressed with that level of bullshiattery.  Chechnya is Eastern Europe, former Soviet, right?
 
2013-04-19 08:32:05 AM
This is what's REALLY baffling me this morning.  Now that the suspects are ID'd and their life is flashing before our eyes via their social media presence and such...  They had a life here.  A decent life.  Why throw that all away?
 
2013-04-19 08:32:19 AM
Too bad, Salon.
 
2013-04-19 08:32:22 AM

Mr. Right: I thought Chechnya hated Russia.  What's the beef with the U.S.?


America is the rich Chechen's Russia.
 
2013-04-19 08:32:54 AM
What is it about Central Asia that the US gets the blowback from Russia's poor decision-making skills there?
 
2013-04-19 08:33:19 AM

Orgasmatron138: markfara: Neondistraction: markfara: I'm assuming we'll be invading Iran soon?

Well, these guys are from Chechnya, so Iran probably had as much to do with this bombing as Iraq did with 9/11.

Precisely my point.

I'd be impressed with that level of bullshiattery.  Chechnya is Eastern Europe, former Soviet, right?


Not really, but kinda.
 
2013-04-19 08:33:43 AM

Mr. Right: I thought Chechnya hated Russia.  What's the beef with the U.S.?


They took a wrong turn at Albuquerque.
 
2013-04-19 08:34:23 AM

Flakeloaf: Mr. Right: I thought Chechnya hated Russia.  What's the beef with the U.S.?

Their chief export is mercenaries. More than a few of the "Afghan militants" caught or killed are Chechens.


Thanks.
 
2013-04-19 08:35:23 AM
rattchett: Mr. Right: I thought Chechnya hated Russia.  What's the beef with the U.S.?

They took a wrong turn at Albuquerque Armenia.
 
2013-04-19 08:36:28 AM

nekom: This is what's REALLY baffling me this morning.  Now that the suspects are ID'd and their life is flashing before our eyes via their social media presence and such...  They had a life here.  A decent life.  Why throw that all away?


Guessing, they:

1) hated our "permissive" society

2) hated what we do in the Middle East.
 
2013-04-19 08:37:47 AM

Mr. Right: I thought Chechnya hated Russia.  What's the beef with the U.S.?


Their plight gets headline news.
Which may also be the reason for the suicide run of shooting campus police, stealing his ride, robbing a 7-11, and a shoot out.


Though aligning the US with Russia might also serve their needs.
It would be their hope that tying the US to Russia may also unit Islamic Extremist in hate for both allowing for joint doctrine in "see large decadent country oppressing us" leaflets.
 
2013-04-19 08:38:37 AM

keypusher: nekom: This is what's REALLY baffling me this morning.  Now that the suspects are ID'd and their life is flashing before our eyes via their social media presence and such...  They had a life here.  A decent life.  Why throw that all away?

Guessing, they:

1) hated our "permissive" society

2) hated what we do in the Middle East.


if what i've read/heard this morning is true about chechnya's ties to al qaeda and afghanistan, then yeah you're probably correct
 
2013-04-19 08:39:17 AM

Mr. Right: I thought Chechnya hated Russia.  What's the beef with the U.S.?


There is a percentage of Chechnya that has the standard Muslim beef with the U.S.  These brothers then seemed to spend some time in Kazakhstan so as much as the morons on fark don't want it to be a religious thing and were hoping for some NRA guy, it's going to end up being a religious thing.
 
2013-04-19 08:42:11 AM

rattchett: Mr. Right: I thought Chechnya hated Russia.  What's the beef with the U.S.?

They took a wrong turn at Albuquerque.


They were trying to blow up Pismo Beach?
 
2013-04-19 08:45:32 AM

keypusher: nekom: This is what's REALLY baffling me this morning.  Now that the suspects are ID'd and their life is flashing before our eyes via their social media presence and such...  They had a life here.  A decent life.  Why throw that all away?

Guessing, they:

1) hated our "permissive" society

2) hated what we do in the Middle East.


This is really the kind of sh*t that brings out my inner gun-toting right-winger. I just have no regard for people who come over here from their crap countries and live comfortably as they talk about how f*cked up and evil we are. . . much less kill innocents on in the name of their glorious political/religious views.

Honestly, just stay in your third-world sh*tholes.
 
2013-04-19 08:46:12 AM

xtragrind: These brothers then seemed to spend some time in Kazakhstan so as much as the morons on fark don't want it to be a religious thing and were hoping for some NRA guy, it's going to end up being a religious thing.


I tend to think that the people who blame entire religions for the actions of a few individuals are the morons.
 
2013-04-19 08:47:38 AM

markfara: keypusher: nekom: This is what's REALLY baffling me this morning.  Now that the suspects are ID'd and their life is flashing before our eyes via their social media presence and such...  They had a life here.  A decent life.  Why throw that all away?

Guessing, they:

1) hated our "permissive" society

2) hated what we do in the Middle East.

This is really the kind of sh*t that brings out my inner gun-toting right-winger. I just have no regard for people who come over here from their crap countries and live comfortably as they talk about how f*cked up and evil we are. . . much less kill innocents on in the name of their glorious political/religious views.

Honestly, just stay in your third-world sh*tholes.


couldn't have said it better myself
 
2013-04-19 08:48:15 AM

Neondistraction: xtragrind: These brothers then seemed to spend some time in Kazakhstan so as much as the morons on fark don't want it to be a religious thing and were hoping for some NRA guy, it's going to end up being a religious thing.

I tend to think that the people who blame entire religions for the actions of a few individuals are the morons.


yep
 
2013-04-19 08:48:58 AM

markfara: I just have no regard for people who come over here from their crap countries and live comfortably as they talk about how f*cked up and evil we are. . . much less kill innocents on in the name of their glorious political/religious views.


Extremism has a long memory.

In their view, this is retaliation for the Crusades.
Where they were First World countries and poor white trash with nothing better to do swept down from Depression Era living in Europe to kill innocents in the name of Christianity. When your choice was starve to death or go on a crusade hoping for fame and fortune, off on the Crusades you went.
 
2013-04-19 08:51:10 AM
F*cking white people.
 
2013-04-19 08:53:40 AM

BHShaman: Mr. Right: I thought Chechnya hated Russia.  What's the beef with the U.S.?

Their plight gets headline news.
Which may also be the reason for the suicide run of shooting campus police, stealing his ride, robbing a 7-11, and a shoot out.


Though aligning the US with Russia might also serve their needs.
It would be their hope that tying the US to Russia may also unit Islamic Extremist in hate for both allowing for joint doctrine in "see large decadent country oppressing us" leaflets.


I severely doubt this is some international scheme.  While Dummy and the Farktard may have thought the above, this seems the most retarded way to achieve it if you are actually some Chechyan masterminding the above scheme.  You have to contend with OKC and 9/11, after all.  Taking out 3 whole people in Boston does not even begin to make you a big enough threat to justify Russia letting the US into the area*.  These yahoos may have thought "we will instigate Global Thermonuclear Jihad", but actual Chechyan evil masterminds are probably just glad Darwin is removing them from the genepool

* And that ain't gonna happen.  There is no way the Russians want the US camped out on their border  If the US were to actually push for access to Chechnya, it is more likely to result in the US and Russia getting into it, than Russia letting us in.  In the same way, the US would freak out if Russia wanted to import troops to Baja California.
 
2013-04-19 08:56:33 AM

Neondistraction: xtragrind: These brothers then seemed to spend some time in Kazakhstan so as much as the morons on fark don't want it to be a religious thing and were hoping for some NRA guy, it's going to end up being a religious thing.

I tend to think that the people who blame entire religions for the actions of a few individuals are the morons.


I tend to think that the people who don't understand the difference between Muslim extremist and Muslin are the morons.
 
2013-04-19 08:57:21 AM
Two autoplay videos.  On one page.

Having one is annoying and arguably bad design, two is blatantly stupid.
 
2013-04-19 08:58:30 AM

meanmutton: I tend to think that the people who don't understand the difference between Muslim extremist and Muslin are the morons.


Muslin is a loosely-woven cotton fabric which originated in Bengal in South Asia, which was introduced to Europe from the Middle East in the 17th century.
 
2013-04-19 08:58:43 AM

meanmutton: Neondistraction: xtragrind: These brothers then seemed to spend some time in Kazakhstan so as much as the morons on fark don't want it to be a religious thing and were hoping for some NRA guy, it's going to end up being a religious thing.

I tend to think that the people who blame entire religions for the actions of a few individuals are the morons.

I tend to think that the people who don't understand the difference between Muslim extremist and Muslin are the morons.


that too. most muslims are like the majority of any other religion's folks...normal everyday folks leading their normal everyday lives. there are extremist "christians", extremist "atheists", extremist factions of pretty much any group in the world.
 
2013-04-19 09:00:42 AM

markfara: keypusher: nekom: This is what's REALLY baffling me this morning.  Now that the suspects are ID'd and their life is flashing before our eyes via their social media presence and such...  They had a life here.  A decent life.  Why throw that all away?

Guessing, they:

1) hated our "permissive" society

2) hated what we do in the Middle East.

This is really the kind of sh*t that brings out my inner gun-toting right-winger. I just have no regard for people who come over here from their crap countries and live comfortably as they talk about how f*cked up and evil we are. . . much less kill innocents on in the name of their glorious political/religious views.

Honestly, just stay in your third-world sh*tholes.


OK, not to stir the shiat or anything, and this doesn't apply to the brothers, since as far as I know we've never done anything in Chechnya, but suppose you're an Iraqi and an American bomb killed your family?
 
2013-04-19 09:00:42 AM
Here's his youtube page, for what it's worth:

http://www.youtube.com/user/muazseyfullah/videos
 
2013-04-19 09:03:41 AM

keypusher: markfara: keypusher: nekom: This is what's REALLY baffling me this morning.  Now that the suspects are ID'd and their life is flashing before our eyes via their social media presence and such...  They had a life here.  A decent life.  Why throw that all away?

Guessing, they:

1) hated our "permissive" society

2) hated what we do in the Middle East.

This is really the kind of sh*t that brings out my inner gun-toting right-winger. I just have no regard for people who come over here from their crap countries and live comfortably as they talk about how f*cked up and evil we are. . . much less kill innocents on in the name of their glorious political/religious views.

Honestly, just stay in your third-world sh*tholes.

OK, not to stir the shiat or anything, and this doesn't apply to the brothers, since as far as I know we've never done anything in Chechnya, but suppose you're an Iraqi and an American bomb killed your family?


Or an innocent guy whose neighbour sold him out to a foreign occupying force that grabbed him, stuck a bag on his head and few him to a gulag where he will be held indefinitely and never be tried with any crime because of the potential threat posed by such a person if he were acquitted. It's a good thing that's illegal.
 
2013-04-19 09:05:46 AM

Crewmannumber6: meanmutton: I tend to think that the people who don't understand the difference between Muslim extremist and Muslin are the morons.

Muslin is a loosely-woven cotton fabric which originated in Bengal in South Asia, which was introduced to Europe from the Middle East in the 17th century.


you are obviously not a moron
 
2013-04-19 09:06:06 AM
We don't need to invade Chechnya. Russia's already doing a good job of obliterating the place and ethnically cleansing the hell out of it.
 
2013-04-19 09:07:09 AM

Crewmannumber6: rattchett: Mr. Right: I thought Chechnya hated Russia.  What's the beef with the U.S.?

They took a wrong turn at Albuquerque.

They were trying to blow up Pismo Beach?


No, that would be Tingley Beach
 
2013-04-19 09:07:41 AM
the outcome of this will be just as fixed
 
2013-04-19 09:08:21 AM
if he dies, he dies.
 
2013-04-19 09:14:36 AM
Sorry American media.  Not the white, homegrown, anti government terrorist you were hoping for.
 
2013-04-19 09:14:57 AM

Flakeloaf: keypusher: markfara: keypusher: nekom: This is what's REALLY baffling me this morning.  Now that the suspects are ID'd and their life is flashing before our eyes via their social media presence and such...  They had a life here.  A decent life.  Why throw that all away?

Guessing, they:

1) hated our "permissive" society

2) hated what we do in the Middle East.

This is really the kind of sh*t that brings out my inner gun-toting right-winger. I just have no regard for people who come over here from their crap countries and live comfortably as they talk about how f*cked up and evil we are. . . much less kill innocents on in the name of their glorious political/religious views.

Honestly, just stay in your third-world sh*tholes.

OK, not to stir the shiat or anything, and this doesn't apply to the brothers, since as far as I know we've never done anything in Chechnya, but suppose you're an Iraqi and an American bomb killed your family?

Or an innocent guy whose neighbour sold him out to a foreign occupying force that grabbed him, stuck a bag on his head and few him to a gulag where he will be held indefinitely and never be tried with any crime because of the potential threat posed by such a person if he were acquitted. It's a good thing that's illegal.


Those things piss me off, too. Next question?
 
2013-04-19 09:17:40 AM

nekom: This is what's REALLY baffling me this morning.  Now that the suspects are ID'd and their life is flashing before our eyes via their social media presence and such...  They had a life here.  A decent life.  Why throw that all away?


Clearly you are under the impression that these dudes had all their screws tightened.

Consider that they had this whole thing worked out many months in advance.  They worked themselves in.  The made themselves inconspicuous.  And then they finally released their plan.

No "normal thinking" person can possibly rationalize what these guys thought was a fantastic idea.  Let's just hope there aren't many more of them out there.

//Wishful thinking
 
2013-04-19 09:19:10 AM

NASAM: Sorry American media.  Not the white, homegrown, anti government terrorist you were hoping for.


Well, they're white, and they've been here since they were kids, so they were kind of homegrown.

So it's not the middle eastern Al Qaeda cell you were hoping for either.
 
2013-04-19 09:19:35 AM
heard one thing that he 'may have posted' about not having any american friends.

assimilation is difficult for many people. chechens also don't seem known for assimilating very well either. i was in afghanistan for two years and my afghan colleauges and staff ticked off all the foreign fighters they had come in contact with. saudis felt they were better than anybody, pakistanis just wanted to kill and it didn't seem to matter if it was a westerner or an afghan,etc... but the chechens...they scared the afghanis that i know and didn't seem to want to mingle with their muslim brothers as much as others.
 
2013-04-19 09:20:17 AM

jack21221: NASAM: Sorry American media.  Not the white, homegrown, anti government terrorist you were hoping for.

Well, they're white, and they've been here since they were kids, so they were kind of homegrown.

So it's not the middle eastern Al Qaeda cell you were hoping for either.


One has to wonder just what political views these two were exposed to as they were growing up. I'd love to know more about their parents.
 
2013-04-19 09:22:06 AM

Neondistraction: xtragrind: These brothers then seemed to spend some time in Kazakhstan so as much as the morons on fark don't want it to be a religious thing and were hoping for some NRA guy, it's going to end up being a religious thing.

I tend to think that the people who blame entire religions for the actions of a few individuals are the morons.


It's not the "whole religion" as much as a particular brand of it, but in some cases...

www.whale.to

Yeah, an entire religion can be bad.

The problem with Islam is that it is in dire need of global reform. Judaism and Christianity are Abrahamic religions, just as Islam is.... Christianity veered off into the "forgiveness" angle, but Islam veered off into the "justify our tribal culture" angle. Judaism and Christianity are also both fairly organized, and as such, have seen considerable reform. There are still sects that are backward, violent, and in general, BAD, but those sects represent a very small number, compared to those who practice their religion in a reformed manner. Islam pretty much codifies the tribal angle, and it cannot be questioned.... you really aren't as free to interpret (in fact, it might be all that wrongful interpretation done by the Catholics, and the blowback of Protestantism that allowed it to be more adapted to reform). Almost every problem child sect of a major religion is "Fundamentalist" in nature.

Ultimately, we need to stop the line of thought that calling a cultural movement a "religion" somehow gives it protective status from criticism. Bad culture is still bad culture. When people are willing to kill themselves and innocents in the service to that religion, why to so many people feel moved to defend it? This guy's mentor probably was his "bureau chief" - but first and foremost, he was his Imam. His religious leader. His religious leader did nothing to save him, or turn him from a course of murdering people... he encouraged him.

It's not an indictment of everybody who follows that religion, and certainly many live at peace, both in practice and in their hearts with those who do not share their religion; but as we've seen time and time again, there are many among us who don't have that peace in their heart. The seeds of that disease are ingrained and codified by a guy who lived 1500 years ago in a pretty brutal era of human history.

I don't know why anybody defends a religion that encourages slavery, taxation, murder, and lying, as long as they are dealing with non-believers.
 
2013-04-19 09:28:10 AM
 
2013-04-19 09:37:47 AM

Mr. Right: I thought Chechnya hated Russia.  What's the beef with the U.S.?


I was wondering that myself. Must've been radicalized here on the internet. Speculation?
 
2013-04-19 09:40:43 AM

sandinista!: http://www.photoshelter.com/gallery/-/G0000VQW7v6xWA7o/

Weird.


Certainly paints the picture.
 
2013-04-19 09:40:47 AM

xtragrind: Mr. Right: I thought Chechnya hated Russia.  What's the beef with the U.S.?

There is a percentage of Chechnya that has the standard Muslim beef with the U.S.  These brothers then seemed to spend some time in Kazakhstan so as much as the morons on fark don't want it to be a religious thing and were hoping for some NRA guy, it's going to end up being a religious thing.


Kyrgyzstan where Muslim extremists hide from the Uzbek dictator. I hate Karimov but I have to admit that he scares Muslim extremists away
 
2013-04-19 09:44:33 AM

Mr. Right: I thought Chechnya hated Russia.  What's the beef with the U.S.?


Lors Dukajev blew himself up recently in Denmark, but his goal was Jyllands Posten.

These Chechnyans don't care, they're just radical muslims.

/I know you haven't heard of Lors Dukajev, which is kinda weird really. I guess bombs are only interesting to Americans if they happen in the USA, in which case they go completely mental for years over it.
 
2013-04-19 09:49:10 AM

bungle_jr: markfara: keypusher: nekom: This is what's REALLY baffling me this morning.  Now that the suspects are ID'd and their life is flashing before our eyes via their social media presence and such...  They had a life here.  A decent life.  Why throw that all away?

Guessing, they:

1) hated our "permissive" society

2) hated what we do in the Middle East.

This is really the kind of sh*t that brings out my inner gun-toting right-winger. I just have no regard for people who come over here from their crap countries and live comfortably as they talk about how f*cked up and evil we are. . . much less kill innocents on in the name of their glorious political/religious views.

Honestly, just stay in your third-world sh*tholes.

couldn't have said it better myself


Aw man! I remember my brother-in-law from Central Asia got mad at me for driving a car. He refused to get into a car if a woman drove. When I refused to cook his majesty dinner because I was busy with my  children he threw a huge fit in my home. He is never allowed in my house again. I would not let my daughter see a man treat women like he does. His wife just worships him and defends his crap. They treat women like total crap so to see a society where women drive and work etc must be driving those jerks crazy. AND THE WOMEN defend it. Probably couldn't find a girl to worship at their feet. My brother-in-law had an arranged marriage and she is threatened to comply with his dictatorship. So the uncle is right that they are losers. I don't care how educated they are- they are losers

Yeah, I am so bitter
 
2013-04-19 09:56:46 AM

ninotchka: bungle_jr: markfara: keypusher: nekom: This is what's REALLY baffling me this morning.  Now that the suspects are ID'd and their life is flashing before our eyes via their social media presence and such...  They had a life here.  A decent life.  Why throw that all away?

Guessing, they:

1) hated our "permissive" society

2) hated what we do in the Middle East.

This is really the kind of sh*t that brings out my inner gun-toting right-winger. I just have no regard for people who come over here from their crap countries and live comfortably as they talk about how f*cked up and evil we are. . . much less kill innocents on in the name of their glorious political/religious views.

Honestly, just stay in your third-world sh*tholes.

couldn't have said it better myself

Aw man! I remember my brother-in-law from Central Asia got mad at me for driving a car. He refused to get into a car if a woman drove. When I refused to cook his majesty dinner because I was busy with my  children he threw a huge fit in my home. He is never allowed in my house again. I would not let my daughter see a man treat women like he does. His wife just worships him and defends his crap. They treat women like total crap so to see a society where women drive and work etc must be driving those jerks crazy. AND THE WOMEN defend it. Probably couldn't find a girl to worship at their feet. My brother-in-law had an arranged marriage and she is threatened to comply with his dictatorship. So the uncle is right that they are losers. I don't care how educated they are- they are losers

Yeah, I am so bitter


that's nuts. it's one thing to comply with what your own country's customs/rules/laws dictate, but to criticize citizens of another country in their own country, that is just really douchey!

i spent 3+ months in saudi arabia, drove off-base a lot (transporting other military, etc, folks between p-sab and eskon village), and for some reason only went to downtown ryhad 1 time, and while i don't understand their beliefs, especially the way women are treated, i knew that it was THEIR country and that is the way they do things there...i just try not to get in the way or piss them off
 
2013-04-19 09:58:05 AM

Mr. Right: I thought Chechnya hated Russia.  What's the beef with the U.S.?


You are assuming their heritage is the motivation.  It could easily be something like John Hancock (marathon sponsor) screwed over their parents.

/whole thing has felt a lot like the London bus bombings, so yeah, heritage/religion will likey end up being the reason.
 
2013-04-19 10:00:28 AM

markfara: keypusher: nekom: This is what's REALLY baffling me this morning.  Now that the suspects are ID'd and their life is flashing before our eyes via their social media presence and such...  They had a life here.  A decent life.  Why throw that all away?

Guessing, they:

1) hated our "permissive" society

2) hated what we do in the Middle East.

This is really the kind of sh*t that brings out my inner gun-toting right-winger. I just have no regard for people who come over here from their crap countries and live comfortably as they talk about how f*cked up and evil we are. . . much less kill innocents on in the name of their glorious political/religious views.

Honestly, just stay in your third-world sh*tholes.


This! Said better than I can at this early hour. I hope this crap ends soon. The world needs to wake up. We have wonderful technology and culture and progress.... Why the violence over bs gods/political views...

/sigh
 
2013-04-19 10:03:41 AM
encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com

Was he boxing these?
 
2013-04-19 10:05:25 AM

Mr. Right: I thought Chechnya hated Russia.  What's the beef with the U.S.?


The CIA trained a bunch of terrorists in the region to fight the Soviets, then stabbed them in the back and left them to the Russians after the Cold War ended. You know, same thing that happened in Afghanistan.
 
2013-04-19 10:08:32 AM
LesserEvil:

I'd like to buy you a beer
 
2013-04-19 10:15:23 AM

jack21221: NASAM: Sorry American media.  Not the white, homegrown, anti government terrorist you were hoping for.

Well, they're white, and they've been here since they were kids, so they were kind of homegrown.

So it's not the middle eastern Al Qaeda cell you were hoping for either.


I wasn't hoping for anyone.  I just wanted the bastards caught.  I just think it's disgusting the way our media was openly hoping for a right winger.
 
2013-04-19 10:21:48 AM

LesserEvil: Yeah, an entire religion can be bad.

The problem with Islam is that it is in dire need of global reform.


I don't think you can say an entire religion is "bad".  But I get your point.  Islam has two big problems.

1 The guy you are supposed to model your life after and strive to be like did some very farked up shiat that is completely irreconcilable with freedoms most western people agree on.

2 They are still a fundamentalist religion.  There is no major branch of Islam that doesn't see the Koran as the direct word of God.  Which makes it that much more difficult to say the things that soem of the things Mo did were wrong and shoudl not be emulated.

Cant' fix the first until you fix the second.  And until that happens Islam is going to be "worse" when it comes to shiat liek this.
 
2013-04-19 10:24:06 AM

liam76: LesserEvil: Yeah, an entire religion can be bad.

The problem with Islam is that it is in dire need of global reform.

I don't think you can say an entire religion is "bad".  But I get your point.  Islam has two big problems.

1 The guy you are supposed to model your life after and strive to be like did some very farked up shiat that is completely irreconcilable with freedoms most western people agree on.

2 They are still a fundamentalist religion.  There is no major branch of Islam that doesn't see the Koran as the direct word of God.  Which makes it that much more difficult to say the things that soem of the things Mo did were wrong and shoudl not be emulated.

Cant' fix the first until you fix the second.  And until that happens Islam is going to be "worse" when it comes to shiat liek this.


BTW, be prepared to be labeled an islamaphobe and have people accuse you of hating all muslims.
 
2013-04-19 10:38:00 AM

LesserEvil: I don't know why anybody defends a religion that encourages slavery, taxation, murder, and lying, as long as they are dealing with non-believers.


With a little tweak or two that sounds pretty much like Government.
 
2013-04-19 10:38:37 AM

liam76: liam76: LesserEvil: Yeah, an entire religion can be bad.

The problem with Islam is that it is in dire need of global reform.

I don't think you can say an entire religion is "bad".  But I get your point.  Islam has two big problems.

1 The guy you are supposed to model your life after and strive to be like did some very farked up shiat that is completely irreconcilable with freedoms most western people agree on.

2 They are still a fundamentalist religion.  There is no major branch of Islam that doesn't see the Koran as the direct word of God.  Which makes it that much more difficult to say the things that soem of the things Mo did were wrong and shoudl not be emulated.

Cant' fix the first until you fix the second.  And until that happens Islam is going to be "worse" when it comes to shiat liek this.

BTW, be prepared to be labeled an islamaphobe and have people accuse you of hating all muslims.


Yes, I know.

I actually have friends who are Muslim, and some I know well enough to discuss this stuff with, and they agree - of course, they also drink and while they avoid pork, they don't think it's the end of the world if they accidentally ingest it, so the whole "immutable word of God" thing isn't as true with them.

Not having a true "central authority" doesn't help matters. While there are sects, and even ayatollahs and imams, these aren't hard and fast assignments, and very localized.

Mohammed spent his whole life writing rules for Muslims that basically aped what Arabic culture was already steeped in, justifying it as "the word of God" - which helped him convert the entire peninsula by the time he died. Most other religions flew in the face of what those tribes had done in practice for millenia, so logically, one that is "customized" to make their practices legitimate would be supported by the elders.
 
2013-04-19 10:42:05 AM

spawn73: Mr. Right: I thought Chechnya hated Russia.  What's the beef with the U.S.?

Lors Dukajev blew himself up recently in Denmark, but his goal was Jyllands Posten.

These Chechnyans don't care, they're just radical muslims.

/I know you haven't heard of Lors Dukajev, which is kinda weird really. I guess bombs are only interesting to Americans if they happen in the USA, in which case they go completely mental for years over it.


Interestingly both the Danish fark and the current stiff fark in question are both boxers ... mmmm.
 
2013-04-19 11:01:07 AM

Langdon_777: LesserEvil: I don't know why anybody defends a religion that encourages slavery, taxation, murder, and lying, as long as they are dealing with non-believers.

With a little tweak or two that sounds pretty much like Government.


Hell, tweak it any way you want, and you could describe every entity of more than a few dozen people on the planet.
 
2013-04-19 11:03:42 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-19 12:08:22 PM
I think I'll start hammering this over and over...

They were sleeper agents. They were subconsciously programmed.
I bet they call a call from an unlisted number that triggered their programming, maybe said something like zero dark thirty five.
 
2013-04-19 02:07:10 PM
Not that it really matters, but the sensasionalism with this one is strong. The guy had zero shot of making the Olympic team. Absolutely zero, he was completely out of the map.
 
2013-04-19 02:16:03 PM
muslims worship a crazy moon god. True religions emphasize love, forgiveness, and progress.
 
2013-04-19 02:20:13 PM

jack21221: Here's his youtube page, for what it's worth:

http://www.youtube.com/user/muazseyfullah/videos


Anybody able to translate his Islam videos?  A comment claims he's speaking out against them.
 
2013-04-19 02:30:46 PM
His story's seldom told
 
2013-04-19 03:40:57 PM

jack21221: NASAM: Sorry American media.  Not the white, homegrown, anti government terrorist you were hoping for.

It's not the middle eastern Al Qaeda cell you were hoping for either.


That's still to be determined.
 
2013-04-19 03:47:17 PM

Fano: His story's seldom told


He squandered his resistance.
 
2013-04-19 06:17:45 PM

bungle_jr: ninotchka: bungle_jr: markfara: keypusher: nekom: This is what's REALLY baffling me this morning.  Now that the suspects are ID'd and their life is flashing before our eyes via their social media presence and such...  They had a life here.  A decent life.  Why throw that all away?

Guessing, they:

1) hated our "permissive" society

2) hated what we do in the Middle East.

This is really the kind of sh*t that brings out my inner gun-toting right-winger. I just have no regard for people who come over here from their crap countries and live comfortably as they talk about how f*cked up and evil we are. . . much less kill innocents on in the name of their glorious political/religious views.

Honestly, just stay in your third-world sh*tholes.

couldn't have said it better myself

Aw man! I remember my brother-in-law from Central Asia got mad at me for driving a car. He refused to get into a car if a woman drove. When I refused to cook his majesty dinner because I was busy with my  children he threw a huge fit in my home. He is never allowed in my house again. I would not let my daughter see a man treat women like he does. His wife just worships him and defends his crap. They treat women like total crap so to see a society where women drive and work etc must be driving those jerks crazy. AND THE WOMEN defend it. Probably couldn't find a girl to worship at their feet. My brother-in-law had an arranged marriage and she is threatened to comply with his dictatorship. So the uncle is right that they are losers. I don't care how educated they are- they are losers

Yeah, I am so bitter

that's nuts. it's one thing to comply with what your own country's customs/rules/laws dictate, but to criticize citizens of another country in their own country, that is just really douchey!

i spent 3+ months in saudi arabia, drove off-base a lot (transporting other military, etc, folks between p-sab and eskon village), and for some reason only went to downtown ryhad 1 time, and while i don't understand their beliefs, especially the way women are treated, i knew that it was THEIR country and that is the way they do things there...i just try not to get in the way or piss them off


That is the proper attitude to have when traveling abroad.
far to many people. Generally upper class white folks
seem to think they can go running their lips anywhere they please. Mexico thailand saudi arabia. Shoot your mouth off in places like that and dont be surprised if your never heard from again.
I aint saying it's right. But it is the way things are.
dont piss in someone elses back yard
 
2013-04-19 06:19:20 PM
Sorry. Charlie Manson as an almost-Monkee is still the gold standard.
 
2013-04-20 08:43:20 AM

nekom: This is what's REALLY baffling me this morning.  Now that the suspects are ID'd and their life is flashing before our eyes via their social media presence and such...  They had a life here.  A decent life.  Why throw that all away?


A lot of terrorists come from middle-class families.  A lot are educated ... the older brother was yet another engineering student turned mass-murderer.  Draw your own psychological/sociological conclusions.
 
2013-04-20 11:36:32 AM
but...but...he can't be on our Olympic team because he's not a real 'mercan!


//These threads have gone to derp.
 
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