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(Salon)   Heir to the Anheuser-Busch fortune drops his NRA membership because the group successfully lobbied to defeat the Senate bill that would have expanded background checks   (salon.com) divider line 149
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2013-04-19 12:28:00 AM
Neanderthals
Resembling
Americans
 
2013-04-19 01:45:30 AM
Busch IV is a hero?

The guy who crashed his Vette coming home from a bar, killing a female passenger?

The guy who led cops on a high-speed chase and tried to run over two of them  when he was cornered?

The guy whose girlfriend died in his bed with 8 dogs?

I guess he's a hero to people who think getting away with outrageous shiat is admirable.
 
2013-04-19 02:14:51 AM
That'll teach 'em.
 
2013-04-19 02:38:56 AM
Can he even own a gun since it seems he is a chronic drunkard and has killed people with his driving. Doesn't killing people with your car, police chases and mysterious deaths of women at your home result in anything that a background check would find disqualifying?

I'd stop drinking Busch but since I don't drink InBev beers I can't actually do that. I'll just say I did.

Surprising this paragon of virtue opened his yap.
 
2013-04-19 03:23:47 AM

feckingmorons: Can he even own a gun since it seems he is a chronic drunkard and has killed people with his driving. Doesn't killing people with your car, police chases and mysterious deaths of women at your home result in anything that a background check would find disqualifying?

I'd stop drinking Busch but since I don't drink InBev beers I can't actually do that. I'll just say I did.

Surprising this paragon of virtue opened his yap.


He was tried only for the assault on officers and a St. Louis jury acquitted him.  He claimed he thought they were kidnappers.
 
2013-04-19 03:29:08 AM

BarkingUnicorn: He claimed he thought they were kidnappers.


And that worked? Amazing.
 
2013-04-19 03:46:01 AM

feckingmorons: Can he even own a gun since it seems he is a chronic drunkard and has killed people with his driving. Doesn't killing people with your car, police chases and mysterious deaths of women at your home result in anything that a background check would find disqualifying?


Well, sure...

Assuming there is a background check done..

oh, wait...
 
2013-04-19 03:47:32 AM
Yeah, because rich people ever need to worry about passing background checks. They also supported requiring ownership of substantial tracts of land in order to be able to vote.
 
2013-04-19 03:52:06 AM

BarkingUnicorn: Busch IV is a hero?

The guy who crashed his Vette coming home from a bar, killing a female passenger?

The guy who led cops on a high-speed chase and tried to run over two of them  when he was cornered?

The guy whose girlfriend died in his bed with 8 dogs?

I guess he's a hero to people who think getting away with outrageous shiat is admirable.


Yes. That's how it works. He believes in something stupid that other people support ergo he's now a hero.
 
2013-04-19 03:52:17 AM

feckingmorons: BarkingUnicorn: He claimed he thought they were kidnappers.

And that worked? Amazing.


He should have claimed he thought they were strippers dressed like cops that wanted to molest him.
 
2013-04-19 03:52:18 AM
In other words, some rich overprivileged idiot got upset because the little people won a round in a fight for civil rights.
 
2013-04-19 03:54:15 AM

LaughingRadish: In other words, some rich overprivileged idiot got upset because the little people won a round in a fight for civil rights.


Yep, the little people really won this round...

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2013-04-19 03:54:17 AM

BarkingUnicorn: Busch IV is a hero?

The guy who crashed his Vette coming home from a bar, killing a female passenger?

The guy who led cops on a high-speed chase and tried to run over two of them  when he was cornered?

The guy whose girlfriend died in his bed with 8 dogs?

I guess he's a hero to people who think getting away with outrageous shiat is admirable.


Fark off. You have no idea what it's like to be him. They're a good family.
 
2013-04-19 03:54:45 AM
Douche.
 
hnb
2013-04-19 03:55:16 AM
Another super-wealthy dumbass. Let's lower his taxes, just in case.
 
2013-04-19 03:56:25 AM
"You keep using that word.  I do not think it means what you think it means."

Yeah, he is hardly a hero for dropping his NRA membership.
 
2013-04-19 03:57:35 AM

LaughingRadish: In other words, some rich overprivileged idiot got upset because the little people won a round in a fight for civil rights.


Having to do a little more paperwork to buy another toy for your collection is not a violation of your civil rights, you whiny gun-nut pussies.
 
2013-04-19 03:59:21 AM
Armchair quarterback thread.
 
2013-04-19 03:59:30 AM
He's pissing off a significant portion of his drinkership.
 
2013-04-19 04:05:17 AM

Mark Ratner: BarkingUnicorn: Busch IV is a hero?

The guy who crashed his Vette coming home from a bar, killing a female passenger?

The guy who led cops on a high-speed chase and tried to run over two of them  when he was cornered?

The guy whose girlfriend died in his bed with 8 dogs?

I guess he's a hero to people who think getting away with outrageous shiat is admirable.

Fark off. You have no idea what it's like to be him. They're a good family.


Dude, you're not gonna get any free beer
 
2013-04-19 04:11:10 AM

LordJiro: not a violation of your civil rights


Technically, no. It's a violation of your natural rights. "Civil rights" is an oxymoron. "Civil Privilege" is much closer to the truth.
 
2013-04-19 04:15:29 AM
Come on, right, I'm trying to be on your side as well, but when you insist that even criminals should be allowed to own guns, aren't you taking your "stick it to the evil black man and the 2nd Amendment-stealing demon libs" thing a little too far?
 
2013-04-19 04:20:27 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Come on, right, I'm trying to be on your side as well, but when you insist that even criminals should be allowed to own guns, aren't you taking your "stick it to the evil black man and the 2nd Amendment-stealing demon libs" thing a little too far?


Allowing rights to be removed based upon arbitrary rules means that the rights are not actually rights. If you're okay with that, fine, but stop calling them rights if they can be removed for whimsical reasons. How about you lose your 4th Amendment rights for the rest of your life if you get a traffic ticket? You okay with that? I mean, after all, you'd be a damn dirty criminal who doesn't deserve rights.
 
2013-04-19 04:23:47 AM

LordJiro: LaughingRadish: In other words, some rich overprivileged idiot got upset because the little people won a round in a fight for civil rights.

Having to do a little more paperwork to buy another toy for your collection is not a violation of your civil rights, you whiny gun-nut pussies.


Part of the problem is they wanted background checks for ALL transfers. That would include all private "sales". Even if one family member is giving another a gun as a gift or inheritance. They also wanted to not let people buy guns for somebody else regardless of rather not that person could own a gun.

Having to do paperwork might be one thing, but having to pay the government every time? Background checks aren't free.

And a gun isn't a toy, it is a tool. Some buy them without the intent of using them but there are people who collect all kinds of other tools.

You may think I'm crazy for believing in standing up for my rights but citizens legally buying guns without being bothered doesn't concern me. People with bombs worry me. Especially this week.
 
2013-04-19 04:24:52 AM
Didn't they get like a million new members since December? I doubt they care.

Also, you're not much of an "heir" when your father owns barely 1% of the company.
 
2013-04-19 04:28:04 AM
Do everything to the first amendment you do to the second. Let's see your Jew card rabbi and there's a 2 week waiting period for that newspaper citizen.
 
2013-04-19 04:29:05 AM

Hacker_X: LordJiro: LaughingRadish: In other words, some rich overprivileged idiot got upset because the little people won a round in a fight for civil rights.

Having to do a little more paperwork to buy another toy for your collection is not a violation of your civil rights, you whiny gun-nut pussies.

Part of the problem is they wanted background checks for ALL transfers. That would include all private "sales". Even if one family member is giving another a gun as a gift or inheritance. They also wanted to not let people buy guns for somebody else regardless of rather not that person could own a gun.

Having to do paperwork might be one thing, but having to pay the government every time? Background checks aren't free.

And a gun isn't a toy, it is a tool. Some buy them without the intent of using them but there are people who collect all kinds of other tools.

You may think I'm crazy for believing in standing up for my rights but citizens legally buying guns without being bothered doesn't concern me. People with bombs worry me. Especially this week.


Wrong. Just wrong. When Obama mentioned in his reaction that the NRA and gun lobbyists lied this was exactly what he was referring to. The background check provision specifically excluded private sales and transfers including inheritance. It was designed to close the gun show loophole.

Stop lying.
 
2013-04-19 04:37:52 AM
Has there been a thread about Gabby Gifford's petulance when she didn't get her way?
 
2013-04-19 04:43:24 AM
Back after Waco, when some NRA rep called the ATF agents a bunch of "jack-booted thugs" I cancelled my membership.  That makes me a HERO, right?
 
2013-04-19 04:46:33 AM
Hero tag? Go fark your father subby.

I hope i get to curb check you one day...
 
2013-04-19 04:50:41 AM
Subby, the "Hero" tag only applies to American Soldiers that stormed the beaches of Normandy, and the comments all have to mention "brass balls" and the amount of dust in the room.  Get it straight.
 
2013-04-19 04:56:38 AM

CarnySaur: Subby, the "Hero" tag only applies to American Soldiers that stormed the beaches of Normandy, and the comments all have to mention "brass balls" and the amount of dust in the room.  Get it straight.


Well, also 5 year olds who call 911 when dad collapses instead of using the opportunity to eat a bag of marshmallows.
 
2013-04-19 05:01:27 AM

robohobo: Has there been a thread about Gabby Gifford's petulance when she didn't get her way?


I heard about Little Miss Muffet not getting her whey, but not Gabby Gifford.  I must be out of the loop.
 
2013-04-19 05:03:46 AM
Whoa. A LOT of shills in this thread playing the "look over here!!" shiny object card.

As a long time gun owner and CCW carrier who lives in Montana, and thinks we DESPERATELY need gun reform (and violent society reform), seeing the typical tards in this thread bleating tells me the nation is on the right track. The NRA is the ENEMY. farktards who don't think there is a problem are the ENEMY.

Now carry on with your waiving and pointing...
 
2013-04-19 05:12:00 AM
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2013-04-19 05:18:22 AM

LordJiro: LaughingRadish: In other words, some rich overprivileged idiot got upset because the little people won a round in a fight for civil rights.

Having to do a little more paperwork to buy another toy for your collection is not a violation of your civil rights, you whiny gun-nut pussies.


YES! Because that paperwork would have stopped the Newtown shootings! We should always use emotional thoughts when deciding laws. When I'm upset, angry, or sad is when I make my best choices. Not logic or reason. Fark that. I mean sitting down and getting a pannel of experts to take their time and actually come up with a decent law or program that would actually help would be way too much to ask. Use your hearts people! Not your brains!
 
8zo [TotalFark]
2013-04-19 05:23:02 AM
The measures were defeated with bipartisan support.

I thought this "bipartisanship" was a good thing!  Republicans and Democrats coming together to do the people's business and all that.

Oh right... that only applies to things that advance to the extreme leftist agenda.
 
2013-04-19 05:24:49 AM
And how are background checks and regulations going to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, who'll find a way to get them by illegal means? It seems to me making law-abiding citizens jump through more hoops to obtain guns isn't the way to solve this problem.

The old Weimar Republic passed gun restrictions (hoping it would disarm Communists and Nazi party members who were gaining power at the time.) We all know how well that turned out. When Hitler came to power, he simply used the existing gun laws (which had originally been passed to stop him)  to disarm the Jews and other "non-citizens". I

(And yes, I Godwinned the thread, but it's to prove a point. No matter how well-intentioned gun laws are, they can have dire consequences if the wrong people get into power. And right now "wrong people" abound in our society...)
 
2013-04-19 05:29:28 AM

liquidpoo: LordJiro: LaughingRadish: In other words, some rich overprivileged idiot got upset because the little people won a round in a fight for civil rights.

Having to do a little more paperwork to buy another toy for your collection is not a violation of your civil rights, you whiny gun-nut pussies.

YES! Because that paperwork would have stopped the Newtown shootings! We should always use emotional thoughts when deciding laws. When I'm upset, angry, or sad is when I make my best choices. Not logic or reason. Fark that. I mean sitting down and getting a pannel of experts to take their time and actually come up with a decent law or program that would actually help would be way too much to ask. Use your hearts people! Not your brains!


A background check that would have noticed that the owner of the guns had a mentally ill son? Yes, that might have prevented the shootings.
 
2013-04-19 05:41:43 AM

LordJiro: liquidpoo: LordJiro: LaughingRadish: In other words, some rich overprivileged idiot got upset because the little people won a round in a fight for civil rights.

Having to do a little more paperwork to buy another toy for your collection is not a violation of your civil rights, you whiny gun-nut pussies.

YES! Because that paperwork would have stopped the Newtown shootings! We should always use emotional thoughts when deciding laws. When I'm upset, angry, or sad is when I make my best choices. Not logic or reason. Fark that. I mean sitting down and getting a pannel of experts to take their time and actually come up with a decent law or program that would actually help would be way too much to ask. Use your hearts people! Not your brains!

A background check that would have noticed that the owner of the guns had a mentally ill son? Yes, that might have prevented the shootings.


LOL, you funny.
 
2013-04-19 05:48:45 AM

LordJiro: liquidpoo: LordJiro: LaughingRadish: In other words, some rich overprivileged idiot got upset because the little people won a round in a fight for civil rights.

Having to do a little more paperwork to buy another toy for your collection is not a violation of your civil rights, you whiny gun-nut pussies.

YES! Because that paperwork would have stopped the Newtown shootings! We should always use emotional thoughts when deciding laws. When I'm upset, angry, or sad is when I make my best choices. Not logic or reason. Fark that. I mean sitting down and getting a pannel of experts to take their time and actually come up with a decent law or program that would actually help would be way too much to ask. Use your hearts people! Not your brains!

A background check that would have noticed that the owner of the guns had a mentally ill son? Yes, that might have prevented the shootings.


What if she bought the gun before her son was deemed mentally ill?

What if she bought the gun before she even had the son?

What if she bought the gun to protect herself from her mentally ill son?
 
8zo [TotalFark]
2013-04-19 05:49:39 AM

yourmomlovestetris: And how are background checks and regulations going to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, who'll find a way to get them by illegal means? It seems to me making law-abiding citizens jump through more hoops to obtain guns isn't the way to solve this problem.

The old Weimar Republic passed gun restrictions (hoping it would disarm Communists and Nazi party members who were gaining power at the time.) We all know how well that turned out. When Hitler came to power, he simply used the existing gun laws (which had originally been passed to stop him)  to disarm the Jews and other "non-citizens". I

(And yes, I Godwinned the thread, but it's to prove a point. No matter how well-intentioned gun laws are, they can have dire consequences if the wrong people get into power. And right now "wrong people" abound in our society...)


Well citizen, you must come with us for mandatory state re-education.  Our leader has decreed your thoughts to be a crime against the people.  The Ministry of Truth has officially ruled these ideas have been outdated and superseded by the latest edition of World History translated into newspeak.

In addition, your thoughts expressing the notion that there exists some "natural rights" are also antiquated and have been revised by newspeak.  We all know that our rights are allowed to us by our Leader.  You will learn.  Now come with us.
 
2013-04-19 05:54:12 AM

jboy: Hacker_X: LordJiro: LaughingRadish: In other words, some rich overprivileged idiot got upset because the little people won a round in a fight for civil rights.

Having to do a little more paperwork to buy another toy for your collection is not a violation of your civil rights, you whiny gun-nut pussies.

Part of the problem is they wanted background checks for ALL transfers. That would include all private "sales". Even if one family member is giving another a gun as a gift or inheritance. They also wanted to not let people buy guns for somebody else regardless of rather not that person could own a gun.

Having to do paperwork might be one thing, but having to pay the government every time? Background checks aren't free.

And a gun isn't a toy, it is a tool. Some buy them without the intent of using them but there are people who collect all kinds of other tools.

You may think I'm crazy for believing in standing up for my rights but citizens legally buying guns without being bothered doesn't concern me. People with bombs worry me. Especially this week.

Wrong. Just wrong. When Obama mentioned in his reaction that the NRA and gun lobbyists lied this was exactly what he was referring to. The background check provision specifically excluded private sales and transfers including inheritance. It was designed to close the gun show loophole.

Stop lying.



Private sales and transfers IS the so-called "gun show loophole".
 
2013-04-19 05:54:32 AM

LordJiro: A background check that would have noticed that the owner of the guns had a mentally ill son? Yes, that might have prevented the shootings.


How would you implement such a background check?

1. Compile mental health records on everyone and cross-reference every person's relationships.

2. Require would-be gun buyers to disclose their relationships with the mentally ill under penalty of perjury.

3. Have government agents investigate every would-be gun buyer's associates.

1 & 2 are prohibitively expensive, never mind unconstitutional. Number 3 is of dubious efficacy.

Got any other ideas?
 
2013-04-19 06:00:35 AM

RINO: Private sales and transfers IS the so-called "gun show loophole".


In the final bill, sales between family members and inheritances would have been exempted.  "Private" sales at gun shows and all online sales would have required background checks.
 
2013-04-19 06:16:11 AM

Mock26: Back after Waco, when some NRA rep called the ATF agents a bunch of "jack-booted thugs" I cancelled my membership.  That makes me a HERO, right?


Yep. I hate 90% of what the NRA says in public. They are, however, the single best source for safety training in the US
 
2013-04-19 06:19:43 AM
Yeah, and I bet he made his armed security guards turn in their guns.
 
2013-04-19 07:29:28 AM
 
2013-04-19 07:33:28 AM
I'm sure they'll miss his $50 a year.
 
2013-04-19 07:35:06 AM
It's okay for a felon, mentally challenged person or 18 year old to vote but not own a gun?
Given electing people that can destroy the country or involve it in an endless war killing thousands and running a country into bankruptcy it would be more logical to let people have guns rather than have a vote.
 
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