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2013-04-18 09:22:41 PM
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You mean the guy who I think had untreated bipolar disorder and whose unfortunately fatal manic episode got turned into a movie by Sean Penn trying to make a point about something that seems to me to be entirely unrelated to what happened to this young man?

Because after reading about him, it really, really sounded to me like this guy developed bipolar disorder. He was about at the age where it first manifests. But, because his episode was pushing him in a direction that other people emotionally related to and sometimes idealized, nobody noticed that he'd gone from sane to not. After watching people develop it, there were just too many things about the whole thing that said 'first major manic episode' to me. People in the grips of mania only feel they have two kinds of ideas, good ones and better ones, and if they're not stopped, they'll act on both. They seem to lose the ability to sort out which thoughts and impulses you should act on, and which you should not. If they have a thought or a desire, they're either expressing it verbally or acting on it, no matter how little sense it makes or what the consequences are. It's like their brain has become all gas pedal and no brakes.
2013-04-18 09:27:39 PM
2 votes:
The book was good but it tried real hard to make McCandles into some sort of hero to the point where the author LIES about the kid. It was NOT the wild potatoes that killed him, despite what the book says/, The dumbass starved to death and was woefully unprepared to winter over in Alaska. Jon Krakauer  does not even allow a mention of the fact that McCandles was quite probably bipolar.,His actions in the book have all the hallmarks of someone on a manic high.(Burning money, abandoning college, friends and established relationships ... among many others point to someone divorced from reality.) McCandles was also at the right age for where schizophrenia first manifests itself. The kid was most likely out of his mind and out of hit depth yet  Krakauer so identified with his protagonist that he made him something he was not and never could be .. a hero.
2013-04-18 09:08:05 PM
2 votes:

devildog123: Most of the people up here in Alaska think the guy from into the wild was a farking retard, who got what he deserved.


It ain't just Alaska.
2013-04-18 08:20:56 PM
2 votes:
He ended up in SouthEAST Oregon near Steens Mountain. That is rough, remote country, and it's still winter weather out there. I'm betting he is completely dead.
2013-04-19 12:06:29 AM
1 votes:
My family has been residents of this state since the 1940s.  All my life I wondered what's down there in that Southeast corner (the real place that Dustin Self went).  So I risked my life to drive there and find out.  See how there's nothing there?  That's because... there's nothing there.  If your car ran out of gas in that area, the best you could hope for is that one day your bones would be on display in a museum,  thousands of years from now.  Think I'm kidding?  There's 10,000 square miles inside that green circle.  If you include the tiny towns just ABOVE the circle, 7,000 people live in that area.  The only ones who know Dustin Self's whereabouts are a group of well fed buzzards and coyotes.  There are sources of water though.  There's a hot-spring filled with poisonous water that has signs all around it that says keep out because if you get too close the ground you're walking on could collapse and swallow you whole.
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You are 107.2% correct!!
2013-04-18 11:53:51 PM
1 votes:
Steens? Oh, that guy's dead.
2013-04-18 11:12:32 PM
1 votes:

PunGent: Lady Indica: PunGent: Actually the 'Into the Wild' kid gets a bad rap.

He discovered...the hard way...a flaw in a basic, respected field guide to plants.

So, in my book, he took risks, but wasn't a COMPLETE dumbass.

I agree with his basic premise...in an era when you can get carried up Mt. Everest, the only way to have a REAL adventure is to not use a map, GPS, etc...you have to handicap yourself.

I wouldn't do it, any more than I'd turn Amish...but I understand the impulse.

No he doesn't get a bad rap. He was a complete dumbass, and truly...truly died to his own stupidity.

Honestly though, I think he, this latest dumbass and the bear guy are all probably more than a wee bit 'touched' as my grandfather would have said. There really seems to be a component of mental illness involved, so that makes me sad. They were convinced (all of 'em) by an innate belief that defied reality. They thought they had special knowledge and/or understanding others did not. (Well 2/3, this latest guy sounds like that too, but we don't know for sure yet...but what little we do know fits it).

ALL OF THEM had been told by more than one source how terminally stupid this was.

I'm sorry for 'em, don't wish that kind of death on someone for being dumb, and I feel really terrible for the suffering they put their families and others through.

I agree he and the bear guy died due to his own actions, but I guess I find a kind of magnificent foolishness in that kind of death..99 percent of us will die in our beds without ever even trying anything out of line with our neighbor's expectations.

Hell, look at any subdivision...most people are afraid to paint their houses too brightly.

I find these death-defying dumbasses a break from the monotony, at least, so I've got a soft spot for them.


Wrong, but stay with me! ;) They're not like someone who climbs Everest without an oxy tank and sherpas...these guys are like a dumbass showing up at Everest, with NO training, NO real preplanning, refusing to listen to ANY expert about the mountain because their spirit within tells them all they need...and they freeze to death stupidly and uselessly in survivable conditions.

It's wasteful, it's ignorant, and it's just infuriatingly dumb.

The types of people I THINK you're saying you admire are those who left their cozy beds and took on danger for the sake of exploration. I dig that too. I'm a huge science nerd, and love explorers, astronauts. But this isn't a brave soul going to Mars because it's there...this is a moron loading gunpowder into a trash can because they BELIEVE they can zoom into spaaaace.

There's nothing admirable about these guys. Nothing. They emulate the types you (and I) admire, but REFUSE TO DO THE ACTUAL WORK. Therein lies the difference. They believe their specialness is enough.

It's not. Nature is a biatch.
2013-04-18 11:02:18 PM
1 votes:
Still beats living in Piedmont, Oklahoma.
2013-04-18 09:36:56 PM
1 votes:
he made stupid choices but at least he took out his displeasure with society in a much more constructive fashion than those mofos who shoot up schools and call in bomb threats. at least respect that little fact.
2013-04-18 09:36:18 PM
1 votes:

revrendjim: He ended up in SouthEAST Oregon near Steens Mountain. That is rough, remote country, and it's still winter weather out there. I'm betting he is completely dead.


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2013-04-18 09:27:01 PM
1 votes:
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2013-04-18 09:17:55 PM
1 votes:
He has died of dysentery.
2013-04-18 09:13:19 PM
1 votes:
Here for the idiot who died in the wild and such:

"When you consider McCandless from my perspective, you quickly see that what he did wasn't even particularly daring, just stupid, tragic, and inconsiderate. First off, he spent very little time learning how to actually live in the wild. He arrived at the Stampede Trail without even a map of the area. If he [had] had a good map he could have walked out of his predicament [... ] Essentially, Chris McCandless committed suicide."

Hence: white middle class idiots walk into the wild and hope for the best. They die.

Good.
2013-04-18 09:09:25 PM
1 votes:

TheCheese: I wouldn't call that kid a 'dumbass' so much as a 'jackass' for making people go out and search for him.

I hope they find him, and slap him with a fat bill for S&R.


I've been saying for years we need a DNR form for these guys...like Do Not Resuscitate, only it's Do Not Rescue.

Let 'em do any damn fool thing they want, without risking rescuers.
2013-04-18 09:08:13 PM
1 votes:

devildog123: Most of the people up here in Alaska think the guy from into the wild was a farking retard, who got what he deserved.


This is what I've always heard. Then that retarded farking movie comes out turning the guy into some hipster pseudo-philosopher Jesus. Hal Holbrook was the only good thing about that movie. From wiki: "The most charitable view among McCandless's detractors is that his behavior showed a profound lack of common sense. He chose not to bring a compass, something that most people in the same situation would have considered essential. McCandless was also completely unaware that a hand-operated tram crossed the otherwise impassable river a quarter of a mile from where he attempted to cross. Had McCandless known this, he could easily have saved his own life." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_McCandless#Criticism
2013-04-18 09:02:39 PM
1 votes:
Most of the people up here in Alaska think the guy from into the wild was a farking retard, who got what he deserved.
2013-04-18 08:34:49 PM
1 votes:
I wouldn't call that kid a 'dumbass' so much as a 'jackass' for making people go out and search for him.

I hope they find him, and slap him with a fat bill for S&R.
2013-04-18 08:20:10 PM
1 votes:
If only there was some sort of trail he could take to get back home....
2013-04-18 08:07:40 PM
1 votes:
Jesus farking H Christ - did he not read about that asian dude from SF that died a few years back in SW Oregon? And berries - good luck with that farktard. We'll dig him out when the snow melts.
 
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