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2013-04-18 10:45:47 PM  

PunGent: Yep, I'm relying on the book.

Actually, my memory of a book I read years ago.

At the end of the day, NONE of us were there, and, iirc, his body was too far gone for an autopsy, so we're ALL speculating.


Exactly. And if the line between "dumbass" and "innocent victim" is based solely on one person's largely debunked speculation that his death was the result of nothing more than a botany book's error, well... that's a pretty fine line.
 
2013-04-18 10:47:24 PM  
Here's one side of the Fields-Denio Road:

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Here's the other side:

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The only way he could be any more farked is if he encountered the Bear Cavalry. The buzzards will dine heartily when the snow melts, and good riddance.
 
2013-04-18 10:48:03 PM  

addy2: Third Leg: EngineerAU: penthesilea: Is there some cultural taboo or something that he violated that I'm unaware of? I've encountered people who get quite angry. Almost as if this was a kind if personal affront.

We're a nation of people who buy Range Rovers to pick the kids up from middle school and dress up in North Face jackets to go to the Urban Outfitters at the mall. McCandles showed what happens to the average middle class American who actually tries to do the whole rugged individualist thing instead of just playing make believe. He burst people's bubbles. No one likes to have their self delusion exposed.

Bullshiat. He tried to do the rugged individualist thing, but he did it completely wrong. It's a book that shouldn't have been written, or at least should have been written from a different perspective. He went to Alaska woefully unprepared, and despite the fact that he walked 5 miles into the woods and lived in a farking bus, we're led to believe he was on this grand adventure to live off the land. He was a model of what not to do, and yet somebody has to glorify this guy by writing a book that wasn't titled "How to be a farking dumbass". Some people actually do much more extreme things in far more unforgiving environments, and live to the tell the tale. Because they know what they're doing!

/Now ask me how I feel about Between a Rock and a Hard Place/127 Hours

the excerpts I read didn't seem to glorify him. Odd the different readings on this. It's been a while, and as I said earlier I'm ignorant on any follow ups but I certainly didn't come away with the idea he was being glorified.


Yes, the different take-aways are odd.  My wife and I read it at the same time, and she's firmly in the "he's a thoughtless dumbass with no redeeming qualities" camp.

Although HER primary objection was that he didn't send his parents a letter or even a postcard...and her idea of roughing it is a three-star hotel :)
 
2013-04-18 10:49:49 PM  

ladyfortuna: You guys are looking at this all wrong... it's natural selection in motion.


"Evolution in action"...from a book I've read.  It's possibly "Dream Park" by Nivens and Barnes.
 
2013-04-18 10:50:27 PM  

PunGent: Actually the 'Into the Wild' kid gets a bad rap.

He discovered...the hard way...a flaw in a basic, respected field guide to plants.

So, in my book, he took risks, but wasn't a COMPLETE dumbass.

I agree with his basic premise...in an era when you can get carried up Mt. Everest, the only way to have a REAL adventure is to not use a map, GPS, etc...you have to handicap yourself.

I wouldn't do it, any more than I'd turn Amish...but I understand the impulse.


No he doesn't get a bad rap. He was a complete dumbass, and truly...truly died to his own stupidity.

Honestly though, I think he, this latest dumbass and the bear guy are all probably more than a wee bit 'touched' as my grandfather would have said. There really seems to be a component of mental illness involved, so that makes me sad. They were convinced (all of 'em) by an innate belief that defied reality. They thought they had special knowledge and/or understanding others did not. (Well 2/3, this latest guy sounds like that too, but we don't know for sure yet...but what little we do know fits it).

ALL OF THEM had been told by more than one source how terminally stupid this was.

I'm sorry for 'em, don't wish that kind of death on someone for being dumb, and I feel really terrible for the suffering they put their families and others through.
 
2013-04-18 10:52:36 PM  

PunGent: Third Leg: EngineerAU: penthesilea: Is there some cultural taboo or something that he violated that I'm unaware of? I've encountered people who get quite angry. Almost as if this was a kind if personal affront.

We're a nation of people who buy Range Rovers to pick the kids up from middle school and dress up in North Face jackets to go to the Urban Outfitters at the mall. McCandles showed what happens to the average middle class American who actually tries to do the whole rugged individualist thing instead of just playing make believe. He burst people's bubbles. No one likes to have their self delusion exposed.

Bullshiat. He tried to do the rugged individualist thing, but he did it completely wrong. It's a book that shouldn't have been written, or at least should have been written from a different perspective. He went to Alaska woefully unprepared, and despite the fact that he walked 5 miles into the woods and lived in a farking bus, we're led to believe he was on this grand adventure to live off the land. He was a model of what not to do, and yet somebody has to glorify this guy by writing a book that wasn't titled "How to be a farking dumbass". Some people actually do much more extreme things in far more unforgiving environments, and live to the tell the tale.

Yes, and with the right equipment, people can survive in outer space.

NOT the point the kid was trying to make.


And some people would say that going into an unforgiving environment without the right equipment is the very definition of crazy. And that your run-of-the-mill crazy people doesn't really need a book written about them.

I understand the kid's point, I do. I love being outside, and sometimes I think I was born a couple hundred years too late. But we tend to look at wilderness with a 21st century perspective that is very rose colored. Yeah, I love spending time hiking for a week, two, or three at a time, in summer, on a trail that has been built for me. But living in the real wilds of Alaska is a completely different thing. And this kid didn't understand that.
 
2013-04-18 10:52:42 PM  

Third Leg: PunGent: Yep, I'm relying on the book.

Actually, my memory of a book I read years ago.

At the end of the day, NONE of us were there, and, iirc, his body was too far gone for an autopsy, so we're ALL speculating.

Exactly. And if the line between "dumbass" and "innocent victim" is based solely on one person's largely debunked speculation that his death was the result of nothing more than a botany book's error, well... that's a pretty fine line.


I wouldn't call him an "innocent victim".  Heck, I think he'd be offended himself.

He made his decisions, deliberately reduced his safety margins, and paid the price.

His whole point was deliberately reducing his safety margins, imho...unsurprising it bit him on the ass.

I'm not CONDONING what he did, but I think I understand what he was TRYING to do.

I certainly wouldn't do it myself, or encourage anyone I cared about to go that route.

Now, if, say, Pat Robertson wanted some camping advice...
 
2013-04-18 10:52:51 PM  

PunGent: addy2: Third Leg: EngineerAU: penthesilea: Is there some cultural taboo or something that he violated that I'm unaware of? I've encountered people who get quite angry. Almost as if this was a kind if personal affront.

We're a nation of people who buy Range Rovers to pick the kids up from middle school and dress up in North Face jackets to go to the Urban Outfitters at the mall. McCandles showed what happens to the average middle class American who actually tries to do the whole rugged individualist thing instead of just playing make believe. He burst people's bubbles. No one likes to have their self delusion exposed.

Bullshiat. He tried to do the rugged individualist thing, but he did it completely wrong. It's a book that shouldn't have been written, or at least should have been written from a different perspective. He went to Alaska woefully unprepared, and despite the fact that he walked 5 miles into the woods and lived in a farking bus, we're led to believe he was on this grand adventure to live off the land. He was a model of what not to do, and yet somebody has to glorify this guy by writing a book that wasn't titled "How to be a farking dumbass". Some people actually do much more extreme things in far more unforgiving environments, and live to the tell the tale. Because they know what they're doing!

/Now ask me how I feel about Between a Rock and a Hard Place/127 Hours

the excerpts I read didn't seem to glorify him. Odd the different readings on this. It's been a while, and as I said earlier I'm ignorant on any follow ups but I certainly didn't come away with the idea he was being glorified.

Yes, the different take-aways are odd.  My wife and I read it at the same time, and she's firmly in the "he's a thoughtless dumbass with no redeeming qualities" camp.

Although HER primary objection was that he didn't send his parents a letter or even a postcard...and her idea of roughing it is a three-star hotel :)


As a mother, I have to agree with your wife as well. but overall I came away sad. Not inclined to dismiss him with a " good riddance." That response has a tinge of fear in it.
 
2013-04-18 10:57:31 PM  

Name_Omitted: We really need to get around to burying that farking bus.


Physically as well as spiritually.
 
2013-04-18 10:57:52 PM  

Lady Indica: PunGent: Actually the 'Into the Wild' kid gets a bad rap.

He discovered...the hard way...a flaw in a basic, respected field guide to plants.

So, in my book, he took risks, but wasn't a COMPLETE dumbass.

I agree with his basic premise...in an era when you can get carried up Mt. Everest, the only way to have a REAL adventure is to not use a map, GPS, etc...you have to handicap yourself.

I wouldn't do it, any more than I'd turn Amish...but I understand the impulse.

No he doesn't get a bad rap. He was a complete dumbass, and truly...truly died to his own stupidity.

Honestly though, I think he, this latest dumbass and the bear guy are all probably more than a wee bit 'touched' as my grandfather would have said. There really seems to be a component of mental illness involved, so that makes me sad. They were convinced (all of 'em) by an innate belief that defied reality. They thought they had special knowledge and/or understanding others did not. (Well 2/3, this latest guy sounds like that too, but we don't know for sure yet...but what little we do know fits it).

ALL OF THEM had been told by more than one source how terminally stupid this was.

I'm sorry for 'em, don't wish that kind of death on someone for being dumb, and I feel really terrible for the suffering they put their families and others through.


I agree he and the bear guy died due to his own actions, but I guess I find a kind of magnificent foolishness in that kind of death..99 percent of us will die in our beds without ever even trying anything out of line with our neighbor's expectations.

Hell, look at any subdivision...most people are afraid to paint their houses too brightly.

I find these death-defying dumbasses a break from the monotony, at least, so I've got a soft spot for them.
 
2013-04-18 10:58:01 PM  

EngineerAU: Third Leg: Some people actually do much more extreme things in far more unforgiving environments, and live to the tell the tale. Because they know what they're doing!

True but those people don't play dress up wearing mountaineering clothes to the mall while driving an SUV that has never seen anything more challenging than a pothole. While those who know what they're doing rightfully criticize McCandles, most who do so are boring average people who simply delude themselves into thinking they're something they're not. McCandles is an inconvenient reminder of how poorly most people would fare if they really faced living in the wild. Those with actual skills aren't the average person.


Fair enough.
 
2013-04-18 10:59:27 PM  
After college I felt a lot like Into the Wild guy, in that a comfortable upper middle class upbringing left me wondering what I was really made of, compelled to shuck off my roots and go it alone, knocking myself down and rebuilding on my own merit.  But, you know...in society, not the woods.
 
2013-04-18 11:01:14 PM  

Third Leg: PunGent: Third Leg: EngineerAU: penthesilea: Is there some cultural taboo or something that he violated that I'm unaware of? I've encountered people who get quite angry. Almost as if this was a kind if personal affront.

We're a nation of people who buy Range Rovers to pick the kids up from middle school and dress up in North Face jackets to go to the Urban Outfitters at the mall. McCandles showed what happens to the average middle class American who actually tries to do the whole rugged individualist thing instead of just playing make believe. He burst people's bubbles. No one likes to have their self delusion exposed.

Bullshiat. He tried to do the rugged individualist thing, but he did it completely wrong. It's a book that shouldn't have been written, or at least should have been written from a different perspective. He went to Alaska woefully unprepared, and despite the fact that he walked 5 miles into the woods and lived in a farking bus, we're led to believe he was on this grand adventure to live off the land. He was a model of what not to do, and yet somebody has to glorify this guy by writing a book that wasn't titled "How to be a farking dumbass". Some people actually do much more extreme things in far more unforgiving environments, and live to the tell the tale.

Yes, and with the right equipment, people can survive in outer space.

NOT the point the kid was trying to make.

And some people would say that going into an unforgiving environment without the right equipment is the very definition of crazy. And that your run-of-the-mill crazy people doesn't really need a book written about them.

I understand the kid's point, I do. I love being outside, and sometimes I think I was born a couple hundred years too late. But we tend to look at wilderness with a 21st century perspective that is very rose colored. Yeah, I love spending time hiking for a week, two, or three at a time, in summer, on a trail that has been built for me. But living in the real wilds of A ...


Good points.  I happen to think crazy people (literal and figurative) DO need books written about them.

And at that age, the kid almost certainly didn't have "proper" appreciation of his own mortality.

That's why we make soldiers out of them, to paraphrase Thucydides.
 
2013-04-18 11:02:18 PM  
Still beats living in Piedmont, Oklahoma.
 
2013-04-18 11:03:33 PM  

Abox: After college I felt a lot like Into the Wild guy, in that a comfortable upper middle class upbringing left me wondering what I was really made of, compelled to shuck off my roots and go it alone, knocking myself down and rebuilding on my own merit.  But, you know...in society, not the woods.


I had a cousin that did the urban walkabout thing, moved from a safe East Coast upper class suburb to a sketchy LA neighborhood in the 80's.

She did fine, but, you know...could have been shot and killed.

No guarantees in life, as this particular week has shown us.
 
2013-04-18 11:08:30 PM  
There is not a hate for McCandles per se but a hatred of his stupidity. He did not even have the basics a freakin' BOY SCOUT would have taken with him! He wanted to live off the land, for a winter? OK I'll buy that might be a noble goal but the way he set about to achieve his goal was complete dumbassery!
I feel sorry for his parents and friends. I even can see why Krakauer sugar coated his death. It doesn't altar the fact that McCandles stunt was monumentally STUPID.. Compare how Krakauer wrote about the stupidity he encountered on Everest to the complete and total lack of criticism of McCandles in "Into the wild"  That is an author so in love with his subject that he abandons objectivity. .
 
2013-04-18 11:10:32 PM  
I feel for the parents.

As the father of a head-strong 23-year-old I can only imagine the soul-searing agony that I would be feeling if -instead of law school- my son was likely dead in a snow-covered ravine in Oregon.

Though I doubt they ever will, I hope they find comfort and peace.
 
2013-04-18 11:10:47 PM  
19 year old diary left behind mentioned "blue berries".   Think elk, sheep, antelope, or deer poo is the closest he'll get to berries -- as in dingle berries.

Wait till spring in a few weeks and look for vultures circling.  RIP little guy.
 
2013-04-18 11:12:32 PM  

PunGent: Lady Indica: PunGent: Actually the 'Into the Wild' kid gets a bad rap.

He discovered...the hard way...a flaw in a basic, respected field guide to plants.

So, in my book, he took risks, but wasn't a COMPLETE dumbass.

I agree with his basic premise...in an era when you can get carried up Mt. Everest, the only way to have a REAL adventure is to not use a map, GPS, etc...you have to handicap yourself.

I wouldn't do it, any more than I'd turn Amish...but I understand the impulse.

No he doesn't get a bad rap. He was a complete dumbass, and truly...truly died to his own stupidity.

Honestly though, I think he, this latest dumbass and the bear guy are all probably more than a wee bit 'touched' as my grandfather would have said. There really seems to be a component of mental illness involved, so that makes me sad. They were convinced (all of 'em) by an innate belief that defied reality. They thought they had special knowledge and/or understanding others did not. (Well 2/3, this latest guy sounds like that too, but we don't know for sure yet...but what little we do know fits it).

ALL OF THEM had been told by more than one source how terminally stupid this was.

I'm sorry for 'em, don't wish that kind of death on someone for being dumb, and I feel really terrible for the suffering they put their families and others through.

I agree he and the bear guy died due to his own actions, but I guess I find a kind of magnificent foolishness in that kind of death..99 percent of us will die in our beds without ever even trying anything out of line with our neighbor's expectations.

Hell, look at any subdivision...most people are afraid to paint their houses too brightly.

I find these death-defying dumbasses a break from the monotony, at least, so I've got a soft spot for them.


Wrong, but stay with me! ;) They're not like someone who climbs Everest without an oxy tank and sherpas...these guys are like a dumbass showing up at Everest, with NO training, NO real preplanning, refusing to listen to ANY expert about the mountain because their spirit within tells them all they need...and they freeze to death stupidly and uselessly in survivable conditions.

It's wasteful, it's ignorant, and it's just infuriatingly dumb.

The types of people I THINK you're saying you admire are those who left their cozy beds and took on danger for the sake of exploration. I dig that too. I'm a huge science nerd, and love explorers, astronauts. But this isn't a brave soul going to Mars because it's there...this is a moron loading gunpowder into a trash can because they BELIEVE they can zoom into spaaaace.

There's nothing admirable about these guys. Nothing. They emulate the types you (and I) admire, but REFUSE TO DO THE ACTUAL WORK. Therein lies the difference. They believe their specialness is enough.

It's not. Nature is a biatch.
 
2013-04-18 11:21:34 PM  

Lady Indica: Wrong, but stay with me! ;) They're not like someone who climbs Everest without an oxy tank and sherpas...these guys are like a dumbass showing up at Everest, with NO training, NO real preplanning, refusing to listen to ANY expert about the mountain because their spirit within tells them all they need...and they freeze to death stupidly and uselessly in survivable conditions.

It's wasteful, it's ignorant, and it's just infuriatingly dumb.

The types of people I THINK you're saying you admire are those who left their cozy beds and took on danger for the sake of exploration. I dig that too. I'm a huge science nerd, and love explorers, astronauts. But this isn't a brave soul going to Mars because it's there...this is a moron loading gunpowder into a trash can because they BELIEVE they can zoom into spaaaace.

There's nothing admirable about these guys. Nothing. They emulate the types you (and I) admire, but REFUSE TO DO THE ACTUAL WORK. Therein lies the difference. They believe their specialness is enough.

It's not. Nature is a biatch.


This x 1000. Thank you.
 
2013-04-18 11:21:47 PM  

PunGent: I'll agree the kid was naive, sure...but the factual error in his field text was a non-negligible contributing factor in his death, in my opinion.


Except he wasn't poisoned.   http://www.tifilms.com/wild/call_debunked.htm
 
2013-04-18 11:41:03 PM  
 Jeezus man, didn't they watch all the way? I know it drags on a bit but they really should have saw it through, could have saved them a lot of problems.

Hypno
 
2013-04-18 11:53:30 PM  

PunGent: Name_Omitted: PunGent: amishkarl: PunGent: SuperDuper28: Janusdog: devildog123: Most of the people up here in Alaska think the guy from into the wild was a farking retard, who got what he deserved.

I'm not from Alaska, and I think he was a farking retard who got what he deserved.

I think most normal people with a decent amount of common sense felt this way as well. I thought the guy was acting immature and selfish, but I don't know how close the movie was based on reality.

Read the book.

Look, I readthe farking book. I still think the guy was an idiot with no concept of what the wild is like. Whether there was incorrect info in the book or not has nothing to do with the fact that if it was possible to survive in that area, there'd already be people there

So incorrect factual information from an otherwise-reliable source is irrelevant?

Your buy medication at the drugstore, and the label is wrong, it's completely YOUR fault?

You're allergic to nuts, you buy food that says "no nuts", it has nuts in it...it's YOUR fault?

I'll agree the kid was naive, sure...but the factual error in his field text was a non-negligible contributing factor in his death, in my opinion.

Fine. He bet his life on a single source, and that source was wrong. he's still the one that placed the bet.


In Alaska, we mock people like that beside doing so saves lives. He was an idiot who in no way should be emulated.

Hey, it's a free country...mock him all you want.

But remember...odds are, you'll probably live long enough to rely on a medication your doctor prescribes...then you'll be the one 'betting your life on a single source'.  Hopefully there won't be an error in the prescription your doc writes.

How about your brake mechanic?  Did you check HIS work, after that last overhaul?  You won't really know until you're sliding toward that big truck, will you?

How about the migrant worker who picked the tomatoes in your last taco?  he have drug-resistant TB?
Shouldn't have relied on that ...


How do you fail to see the difference between deciding to trust your doctor/mechanic and deciding to risk your life by going to an inhospitable location not prepared.  You don't just walk into a Dr.'s office and say, "gimme some pills".  Likely you've discussed it with your doctor, and based on his training and expertise so you know what the drug is for.  Can he make a mistake?  Sure, but it's infinitely less likely.

/false comparison is false
//never make major decisions uninformed or unprepared
///decide on more slashies
 
2013-04-18 11:53:51 PM  
Steens? Oh, that guy's dead.
 
2013-04-18 11:54:06 PM  
 And for the record chris mccandless lived a long time off the land in Alaska as well as a good portion of the lower 48 with not much more than the clothes on his back by living off the land. He only died when he made the, ultimately fatal, mistake of waiting until after the thaw to come back out. It's just pathetic to hear all this "hurr hurr he got what he deserved" bullshiat from people who most likely have barely set foot past where their lawn ends in the back yard. It's sick to think that there are actually people who derive so much  self righteous pleasure from someone else's death.

Hypnozombie
 
2013-04-19 12:06:29 AM  
My family has been residents of this state since the 1940s.  All my life I wondered what's down there in that Southeast corner (the real place that Dustin Self went).  So I risked my life to drive there and find out.  See how there's nothing there?  That's because... there's nothing there.  If your car ran out of gas in that area, the best you could hope for is that one day your bones would be on display in a museum,  thousands of years from now.  Think I'm kidding?  There's 10,000 square miles inside that green circle.  If you include the tiny towns just ABOVE the circle, 7,000 people live in that area.  The only ones who know Dustin Self's whereabouts are a group of well fed buzzards and coyotes.  There are sources of water though.  There's a hot-spring filled with poisonous water that has signs all around it that says keep out because if you get too close the ground you're walking on could collapse and swallow you whole.
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jdbob:

Obligatory:


You are 107.2% correct!!
 
2013-04-19 12:10:08 AM  
HypnozombieX

  On the contrary the evidence is that he began starving to death from day one and eventually became so weak he starved to death. There is NOTHING noble about anorexia. He WAS NOT surviving off the land as he never consumed enough calories to fend off starvation. He may have had a noble goal but the DUMBASS didn't eve take an axe to the forest!  As i have said a well versed boyscout a decade younger than McCandles would have had a BETTER chance of surviving as he would have at least been suitably dressed and suitably equipped. Being a moron should NEVER be celebrated! I take no celebration in his death but I DO resent his FOOLISH actions being held up as examples to emulate. I resent FOOLISHNESS being converted by the media into something noble.
 
2013-04-19 12:10:13 AM  

ZAZ: Tammy Self told the AP that her son was a religious young man and a vegetarian, who had no interest in killing and eating animals.

Are there any animals around there that would be visible this time of year and would look really tasty even to a dedicated vegetarian? I know some ground squirrels come out while snow is deep. They may have more sense than to live in the Great Basin.


Well, there's cows, but I think the ranchers would be a little upset about that. Other than that, there's juniper berries but they taste like shiat.
 
2013-04-19 12:16:15 AM  
I haven't read the book but as the wife of an adventure junkie, the movie was profoundly sad. My husband is more than versed in outdoors stuff and I trust him with my life. I get a lot of grief from friends who have seen Into the Wild though, since they don't get that some men aren't idiots with death wishes.
 
2013-04-19 12:18:36 AM  

scottydoesntknow: "Into the Wild"

Directed by Sean Penn

Written by Sean Penn (screenplay) and Jon Krakauer (book)

Heavily influenced by Charles Darwin


LOL

Into the Wild
 
2013-04-19 12:22:53 AM  

HypnozombieX:  And for the record chris mccandless lived a long time off the land in Alaska as well as a good portion of the lower 48 with not much more than the clothes on his back by living off the land. He only died when he made the, ultimately fatal, mistake of waiting until after the thaw to come back out. It's just pathetic to hear all this "hurr hurr he got what he deserved" bullshiat from people who most likely have barely set foot past where their lawn ends in the back yard. It's sick to think that there are actually people who derive so much  self righteous pleasure from someone else's death.

Hypnozombie


Congratulations. Of all the experts in this thread, you're the only one that's spelled his name right. McCandless.
Mccandles are candles you get from McDonald's.

/Alexander Supertramp
 
2013-04-19 12:24:44 AM  

dbrunker: My family has been residents of this state since the 1940s.  All my life I wondered what's down there in that Southeast corner (the real place that Dustin Self went).  So I risked my life to drive there and find out.  See how there's nothing there?  That's because... there's nothing there.  If your car ran out of gas in that area, the best you could hope for is that one day your bones would be on display in a museum,  thousands of years from now.  Think I'm kidding?  There's 10,000 square miles inside that green circle.  If you include the tiny towns just ABOVE the circle, 7,000 people live in that area.  The only ones who know Dustin Self's whereabouts are a group of well fed buzzards and coyotes.  There are sources of water though.  There's a hot-spring filled with poisonous water that has signs all around it that says keep out because if you get too close the ground you're walking on could collapse and swallow you whole.
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jdbob:

Obligatory:


You are 107.2% correct!!


Forgot to mention sage, miles and miles of sage.  Drive from Burns to Bend (largest east Oregon town) and you'll see sage.  Mofo sage..you'll go mad with boredom before the coyotes pick at your rotten corpse.
 
2013-04-19 12:30:05 AM  

dbrunker: My family has been residents of this state since the 1940s.  All my life I wondered what's down there in that Southeast corner (the real place that Dustin Self went).  So I risked my life to drive there and find out.  See how there's nothing there?  That's because... there's nothing there.  If your car ran out of gas in that area, the best you could hope for is that one day your bones would be on display in a museum,  thousands of years from now.  Think I'm kidding?  There's 10,000 square miles inside that green circle.  If you include the tiny towns just ABOVE the circle, 7,000 people live in that area.  The only ones who know Dustin Self's whereabouts are a group of well fed buzzards and coyotes.  There are sources of water though.  There's a hot-spring filled with poisonous water that has signs all around it that says keep out because if you get too close the ground you're walking on could collapse and swallow you whole.


Pretty much this. I've actually spent a number of vacations there because it's a rockhunting hotspot in the state and Malhuer Wildlife Refuge is always a nice place to visit if you're a birder, but unless you like searching the steppe for sunstones and thundereggs and fossils and watching birds, there's no point going there. He was a vegetarian too, and if he insisted on staying a vegetarian he was going to starve to death because there's literally nothing for him to eat that's in anyway a balanced diet. He would need to eat meat to have a chance of survival, which means  a gun, or the huge nets to catch rabbits like the Native Americans used to use, and I really doubt he has anything like that.
 
2013-04-19 12:35:13 AM  

platedlizard:  catch rabbits like the Native Americans used to use, and I really doubt he has anything like that.

you can eat desert jackrabbits all day long and still die of malnutrition because of their near-zero fat content.

culebra: Steens? Oh, that guy's dead.


That is the most succinctly factual summation of the situation.
 
2013-04-19 12:36:22 AM  
Wrong, but stay with me! ;) They're not like someone who climbs Everest without an oxy tank and sherpas...these guys are like a dumbass showing up at Everest, with NO training, NO real preplanning, refusing to listen to ANY expert about the mountain because their spirit within tells them all they need...and they freeze to death stupidly and uselessly in survivable conditions.

And then a book and movie comes out about them and hundreds of people have to be rescued off the mountain as they look for that magic place where he died.

/ANY trip to rural AK can become an adventure in short order. Wise people prepare for that possibility, not reduce their safety margins by leaving behind needed tools and ignoring people who know how to survive.
 
2013-04-19 12:39:26 AM  
But why am I talking about him starving, when the weather's going to kill him first? It's going to be basically winter there until Dry, and at after Memorial Day, depending on what elevation he's at. Most of that region is called the High Desert for a very good reason (even though technically it's a steppe). It's at about 4,000 feet up, so this time of year there's snow on the ground, ice, etc. So yeah, he probably froze to death long before he could get hungry.
 
2013-04-19 12:39:30 AM  
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2013-04-19 12:40:27 AM  
NotARocketScientist:

/ANY trip to rural AK can become an adventure in short order.

Rural AK hell, any trip to Spenard can become an adventure in short order.
 
2013-04-19 12:46:27 AM  
And I only just now noticed the headline said "southwest oregon". Subby is a dumbass and so am I.
 
2013-04-19 12:47:54 AM  
As someone who grew up in a small town in SW Oregon I'm getting a kick...

In all seriousness I grew up in the Siskiyou Mountains and have been to the Steens.  You would need massive amounts of survival training/experience to make it out of there right now.  Feel sorry for his folks.

on another note being that I live in Duckland I am getting a huge kick out of the pic that was posted earlier in the thread about the difference between east and west.
 
2013-04-19 12:57:08 AM  

puffy999: revrendjim: He ended up in SouthEAST Oregon near Steens Mountain. That is rough, remote country, and it's still winter weather out there. I'm betting he is completely dead.

Yes, on all parts.

/guess subby is the dumbass


Subby linked to an article that auto played. Yes, subs is a dumbass.
 
2013-04-19 01:14:04 AM  

jdbob: revrendjim: He ended up in SouthEAST Oregon near Steens Mountain. That is rough, remote country, and it's still winter weather out there. I'm betting he is completely dead.

Obligatory:

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Very accurate. I need to keep that image.
 
2013-04-19 01:47:14 AM  
I wouldn't call him a dumbass kid. I'd call him a dumbass adult.
 
2013-04-19 02:30:42 AM  
Damnit!  My first main page green and I'm working a 12 hour day.

/subby
 
2013-04-19 08:07:29 AM  

Capo Del Bandito: devildog123: Most of the people up here in Alaska think the guy from into the wild was a farking retard, who got what he deserved.

Is that the idiot who 'gave up' civilization and went into the frozen wasteland and died in a hippie bus or something?


Yup. He set holed up in a rusted van in the middle of the tundra and ended up getting poisoned. In other words, a compleat retard that we're all better off without.
 
2013-04-19 10:40:25 AM  

andychrist420: PunGent: Name_Omitted: PunGent: amishkarl: PunGent: SuperDuper28: Janusdog: devildog123: Most of the people up here in Alaska think the guy from into the wild was a farking retard, who got what he deserved.

I'm not from Alaska, and I think he was a farking retard who got what he deserved.

I think most normal people with a decent amount of common sense felt this way as well. I thought the guy was acting immature and selfish, but I don't know how close the movie was based on reality.

Read the book.

Look, I readthe farking book. I still think the guy was an idiot with no concept of what the wild is like. Whether there was incorrect info in the book or not has nothing to do with the fact that if it was possible to survive in that area, there'd already be people there

So incorrect factual information from an otherwise-reliable source is irrelevant?

Your buy medication at the drugstore, and the label is wrong, it's completely YOUR fault?

You're allergic to nuts, you buy food that says "no nuts", it has nuts in it...it's YOUR fault?

I'll agree the kid was naive, sure...but the factual error in his field text was a non-negligible contributing factor in his death, in my opinion.

Fine. He bet his life on a single source, and that source was wrong. he's still the one that placed the bet.


In Alaska, we mock people like that beside doing so saves lives. He was an idiot who in no way should be emulated.

Hey, it's a free country...mock him all you want.

But remember...odds are, you'll probably live long enough to rely on a medication your doctor prescribes...then you'll be the one 'betting your life on a single source'.  Hopefully there won't be an error in the prescription your doc writes.

How about your brake mechanic?  Did you check HIS work, after that last overhaul?  You won't really know until you're sliding toward that big truck, will you?

How about the migrant worker who picked the tomatoes in your last taco?  he have drug-resistant TB?
Shouldn't have relied ...


My point is he WAS prepared...for a deliberately low-tech adventure.  Read the book.
 
2013-04-19 11:53:54 AM  

PunGent: TheCheese: I wouldn't call that kid a 'dumbass' so much as a 'jackass' for making people go out and search for him.

I hope they find him, and slap him with a fat bill for S&R.

I've been saying for years we need a DNR form for these guys...like Do Not Resuscitate, only it's Do Not Rescue.

Let 'em do any damn fool thing they want, without risking rescuers.


Exactly.  If this dumbass wants to be like Christopher McCandless, then I say we let him.

\don't search for him
\\let him die
 
2013-04-19 12:08:24 PM  

PunGent: addy2: PunGent: devildog123: Most of the people up here in Alaska think the guy from into the wild was a farking retard, who got what he deserved.

Then they probably just read the media accounts, not the book.

thank you for that information. I didn't know that. I'm less inclined to point and laugh out of sheer ignorance.

Krakauer's an excellent author, I recommend everything he's written.  He's a reporter, though, and his books often read like a series of reporter's notes all jammed together...still worthwhile, though.


Into Thin Air sucked a big dick.  Read The Climb.
 
2013-04-19 01:06:43 PM  

CheekyMonkey: PunGent: addy2: PunGent: devildog123: Most of the people up here in Alaska think the guy from into the wild was a farking retard, who got what he deserved.

Then they probably just read the media accounts, not the book.

thank you for that information. I didn't know that. I'm less inclined to point and laugh out of sheer ignorance.

Krakauer's an excellent author, I recommend everything he's written.  He's a reporter, though, and his books often read like a series of reporter's notes all jammed together...still worthwhile, though.

Into Thin Air sucked a big dick.  Read The Climb.


I'll check out The Climb, but I think you're the first person I've ever run into who didn't like ITA.

Seen the movie Touching the Void?  Holy crap.
 
2013-04-19 01:52:17 PM  
Some of the greatest times of my life have been camping in the mountains between Ashland and Klammath Falls. Skate the skatepark all day. Get a bunch of beer and drive out on some random logging road and just stop the car, gather wood and drink beer all night.
 
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