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2013-04-18 07:58:15 PM  
"Into the Wild"

Directed by Sean Penn

Written by Sean Penn (screenplay) and Jon Krakauer (book)

Heavily influenced by Charles Darwin
 
2013-04-18 08:07:40 PM  
Jesus farking H Christ - did he not read about that asian dude from SF that died a few years back in SW Oregon? And berries - good luck with that farktard. We'll dig him out when the snow melts.
 
2013-04-18 08:20:10 PM  
If only there was some sort of trail he could take to get back home....
 
2013-04-18 08:20:56 PM  
He ended up in SouthEAST Oregon near Steens Mountain. That is rough, remote country, and it's still winter weather out there. I'm betting he is completely dead.
 
2013-04-18 08:24:18 PM  

revrendjim: He ended up in SouthEAST Oregon near Steens Mountain. That is rough, remote country, and it's still winter weather out there. I'm betting he is completely dead.


Yes, on all parts.

/guess subby is the dumbass
 
2013-04-18 08:27:27 PM  
I was told that Harney County has the lowest population density in the US outside of Alaska. It's mostly godforsaken high desert that doesn't have enough vegetation to support cattle. And this doofus is going to live off the land.
 
2013-04-18 08:33:20 PM  

revrendjim: I was told that Harney County has the lowest population density in the US outside of Alaska. It's mostly godforsaken high desert that doesn't have enough vegetation to support cattle. And this doofus is going to live off the land.


No he isn't.

He might try to live off the land, but he'll fail harder than Drew at a DWI checkpoint.
 
2013-04-18 08:34:49 PM  
I wouldn't call that kid a 'dumbass' so much as a 'jackass' for making people go out and search for him.

I hope they find him, and slap him with a fat bill for S&R.
 
2013-04-18 08:38:03 PM  

TheCheese: I wouldn't call that kid a 'dumbass' so much as a 'jackass' for making people go out and search for him.

I hope they find him, and slap him with a fat bill for S&R.


Well he was a dumbass first for thinking any part of this was a good idea.

The morph into jackass is because he didn't think his dumbass plan all the way through (or at all).
 
2013-04-18 08:59:47 PM  
You guys are looking at this all wrong... it's natural selection in motion.
 
2013-04-18 09:00:12 PM  

revrendjim: He ended up in SouthEAST Oregon near Steens Mountain. That is rough, remote country, and it's still winter weather out there. I'm betting he is completely dead.


Unless it's true love...
 
2013-04-18 09:01:25 PM  
I love natural selection!

Let this idiot die.
 
2013-04-18 09:02:08 PM  
Leaving the truck was suicidal.
 
2013-04-18 09:02:39 PM  
Most of the people up here in Alaska think the guy from into the wild was a farking retard, who got what he deserved.
 
2013-04-18 09:02:49 PM  
He probably just watched the movie up to the Kristen Stewart scene and said, 'f this noise, I'd bang that jailbait'...and took off.
 
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2013-04-18 09:03:17 PM  
Tammy Self told the AP that her son was a religious young man and a vegetarian, who had no interest in killing and eating animals.

Are there any animals around there that would be visible this time of year and would look really tasty even to a dedicated vegetarian? I know some ground squirrels come out while snow is deep. They may have more sense than to live in the Great Basin.
 
2013-04-18 09:04:40 PM  
Just eat berries.
www.konkanmail.com
You'll be fine.
 
2013-04-18 09:05:06 PM  
Actually the 'Into the Wild' kid gets a bad rap.

He discovered...the hard way...a flaw in a basic, respected field guide to plants.

So, in my book, he took risks, but wasn't a COMPLETE dumbass.

I agree with his basic premise...in an era when you can get carried up Mt. Everest, the only way to have a REAL adventure is to not use a map, GPS, etc...you have to handicap yourself.

I wouldn't do it, any more than I'd turn Amish...but I understand the impulse.
 
2013-04-18 09:05:31 PM  
Great book and movie (soundtrack is incredible), but neither are instructional guides. Dumbass.
 
2013-04-18 09:05:44 PM  

devildog123: Most of the people up here in Alaska think the guy from into the wild was a farking retard, who got what he deserved.


Is that the idiot who 'gave up' civilization and went into the frozen wasteland and died in a hippie bus or something?
 
2013-04-18 09:06:29 PM  

devildog123: Most of the people up here in Alaska think the guy from into the wild was a farking retard, who got what he deserved.


Then they probably just read the media accounts, not the book.
 
2013-04-18 09:08:05 PM  

devildog123: Most of the people up here in Alaska think the guy from into the wild was a farking retard, who got what he deserved.


It ain't just Alaska.
 
2013-04-18 09:08:10 PM  
We really need to get around to burying that farking bus.
 
2013-04-18 09:08:13 PM  

devildog123: Most of the people up here in Alaska think the guy from into the wild was a farking retard, who got what he deserved.


This is what I've always heard. Then that retarded farking movie comes out turning the guy into some hipster pseudo-philosopher Jesus. Hal Holbrook was the only good thing about that movie. From wiki: "The most charitable view among McCandless's detractors is that his behavior showed a profound lack of common sense. He chose not to bring a compass, something that most people in the same situation would have considered essential. McCandless was also completely unaware that a hand-operated tram crossed the otherwise impassable river a quarter of a mile from where he attempted to cross. Had McCandless known this, he could easily have saved his own life." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_McCandless#Criticism
 
2013-04-18 09:09:25 PM  

TheCheese: I wouldn't call that kid a 'dumbass' so much as a 'jackass' for making people go out and search for him.

I hope they find him, and slap him with a fat bill for S&R.


I've been saying for years we need a DNR form for these guys...like Do Not Resuscitate, only it's Do Not Rescue.

Let 'em do any damn fool thing they want, without risking rescuers.
 
2013-04-18 09:10:22 PM  
The last paragraph in the article could've been written for the Simpsons.

Tammy Self said that her son "thought he was going to eat berries," but she told him that "berries don't grow in wintertime." In his recovered journal, McCandless' last written words were "Beautiful Blueberries."
 
2013-04-18 09:13:19 PM  
Here for the idiot who died in the wild and such:

"When you consider McCandless from my perspective, you quickly see that what he did wasn't even particularly daring, just stupid, tragic, and inconsiderate. First off, he spent very little time learning how to actually live in the wild. He arrived at the Stampede Trail without even a map of the area. If he [had] had a good map he could have walked out of his predicament [... ] Essentially, Chris McCandless committed suicide."

Hence: white middle class idiots walk into the wild and hope for the best. They die.

Good.
 
2013-04-18 09:13:32 PM  

GoodHomer: The last paragraph in the article could've been written for the Simpsons.

Tammy Self said that her son "thought he was going to eat berries," but she told him that "berries don't grow in wintertime." In his recovered journal, McCandless' last written words were "Beautiful Blueberries."


Reading it sounds like he was transforming into Gollum. I'm gonna guess those weren't blueberries....
 
2013-04-18 09:14:00 PM  
Even bigfoot is laughing.
 
2013-04-18 09:14:06 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: devildog123: Most of the people up here in Alaska think the guy from into the wild was a farking retard, who got what he deserved.

Is that the idiot who 'gave up' civilization and went into the frozen wasteland and died in a hippie bus or something?


That's the one.
 
2013-04-18 09:16:48 PM  
I thought the movie was OK; the kid was pretty ignorant about what to do out there. I really like the soundtrack. It's probably the only good thing to come out of all this.
 
2013-04-18 09:17:55 PM  
He has died of dysentery.
 
2013-04-18 09:18:02 PM  

PunGent: Then they probably just read the media accounts, not the book.


So...how was this idiot who thought he could survive on his own in the wild with no training and preparing?

Was he praying to the Invisible Sky Wizard that his 'natural instincts' would kick in?
 
2013-04-18 09:20:23 PM  
Donn Fendler and Dick Proenneke are not impressed.
 
2013-04-18 09:20:24 PM  

scottydoesntknow: "Into the Wild"

Directed by Sean Penn

Written by Sean Penn (screenplay) and Jon Krakauer (book)

Heavily influenced by Charles Darwin


Stealing that.


PunGent: Actually the 'Into the Wild' kid gets a bad rap.

He discovered...the hard way...a flaw in a basic, respected field guide to plants.

So, in my book, he took risks, but wasn't a COMPLETE dumbass..


If you go into a situation like that relying on 1 plant, or not being completely sure how to identify it, you are a COMPLETE dumbass.
 
2013-04-18 09:22:41 PM  
You mean the guy who I think had untreated bipolar disorder and whose unfortunately fatal manic episode got turned into a movie by Sean Penn trying to make a point about something that seems to me to be entirely unrelated to what happened to this young man?

Because after reading about him, it really, really sounded to me like this guy developed bipolar disorder. He was about at the age where it first manifests. But, because his episode was pushing him in a direction that other people emotionally related to and sometimes idealized, nobody noticed that he'd gone from sane to not. After watching people develop it, there were just too many things about the whole thing that said 'first major manic episode' to me. People in the grips of mania only feel they have two kinds of ideas, good ones and better ones, and if they're not stopped, they'll act on both. They seem to lose the ability to sort out which thoughts and impulses you should act on, and which you should not. If they have a thought or a desire, they're either expressing it verbally or acting on it, no matter how little sense it makes or what the consequences are. It's like their brain has become all gas pedal and no brakes.
 
2013-04-18 09:25:21 PM  
He's a goner.

Even if they find him alive he wil have frostbite and be a mumbling fool.
 
2013-04-18 09:27:01 PM  
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2013-04-18 09:27:24 PM  

ambercat: You mean the guy who I think had untreated bipolar disorder and whose unfortunately fatal manic episode got turned into a movie by Sean Penn trying to make a point about something that seems to me to be entirely unrelated to what happened to this young man?


Yes the guy who you think that stuff about.
 
2013-04-18 09:27:39 PM  
The book was good but it tried real hard to make McCandles into some sort of hero to the point where the author LIES about the kid. It was NOT the wild potatoes that killed him, despite what the book says/, The dumbass starved to death and was woefully unprepared to winter over in Alaska. Jon Krakauer  does not even allow a mention of the fact that McCandles was quite probably bipolar.,His actions in the book have all the hallmarks of someone on a manic high.(Burning money, abandoning college, friends and established relationships ... among many others point to someone divorced from reality.) McCandles was also at the right age for where schizophrenia first manifests itself. The kid was most likely out of his mind and out of hit depth yet  Krakauer so identified with his protagonist that he made him something he was not and never could be .. a hero.
 
2013-04-18 09:29:01 PM  

liam76: scottydoesntknow: "Into the Wild"

Directed by Sean Penn

Written by Sean Penn (screenplay) and Jon Krakauer (book)

Heavily influenced by Charles Darwin

Stealing that.


PunGent: Actually the 'Into the Wild' kid gets a bad rap.

He discovered...the hard way...a flaw in a basic, respected field guide to plants.

So, in my book, he took risks, but wasn't a COMPLETE dumbass..

If you go into a situation like that relying on 1 plant, or not being completely sure how to identify it, you are a COMPLETE dumbass.


He didn't.  Didn't see the movie, so I can't comment on it, but the book made it clear he wasn't JUST relying on "one plant", it's that the field guide he relied on was wrong about the toxicity of a plant he DID eat.

Some kind of milk weed, iirc, his text book said was edible, but turns out it's actually poisonous for one season during it's growth cycle...which was the time of year he cooked and ate it.

Not ENTIRELY his fault, is my only point.
 
2013-04-18 09:29:11 PM  
If I had photoshop skills I'd put his face on a bag of Blue Wilderness wolf food.
 
2013-04-18 09:31:02 PM  

devildog123: Most of the people up here in Alaska think the guy from into the wild was a farking retard, who got what he deserved.


I'm not from Alaska, and I think he was a farking retard who got what he deserved.
 
2013-04-18 09:31:30 PM  

velvet_fog: devildog123: Most of the people up here in Alaska think the guy from into the wild was a farking retard, who got what he deserved.

This is what I've always heard. Then that retarded farking movie comes out turning the guy into some hipster pseudo-philosopher Jesus. Hal Holbrook was the only good thing about that movie. From wiki: "The most charitable view among McCandless's detractors is that his behavior showed a profound lack of common sense. He chose not to bring a compass, something that most people in the same situation would have considered essential. McCandless was also completely unaware that a hand-operated tram crossed the otherwise impassable river a quarter of a mile from where he attempted to cross. Had McCandless known this, he could easily have saved his own life." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_McCandless#Criticism


That ranger you quoted makes a good, basic point, but misses the kid's ENTIRE point about going off the grid.

The kid knew what he was in for, made his own choices, and paid the price.  At the end of the day, I respect that...and it's not like he wasted anyone's time or money rescuing him :)
 
2013-04-18 09:32:35 PM  

PunGent: devildog123: Most of the people up here in Alaska think the guy from into the wild was a farking retard, who got what he deserved.

Then they probably just read the media accounts, not the book.


thank you for that information. I didn't know that. I'm less inclined to point and laugh out of sheer ignorance.
 
2013-04-18 09:32:53 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: PunGent: Then they probably just read the media accounts, not the book.

So...how was this idiot who thought he could survive on his own in the wild with no training and preparing?

Was he praying to the Invisible Sky Wizard that his 'natural instincts' would kick in?


Read the book.
 
2013-04-18 09:34:58 PM  
Leave him.  farking flatlanders need to quit coming here
 
2013-04-18 09:35:57 PM  
Maybe he can find some peparony and chease to eat out there.
 
2013-04-18 09:36:18 PM  

revrendjim: He ended up in SouthEAST Oregon near Steens Mountain. That is rough, remote country, and it's still winter weather out there. I'm betting he is completely dead.


Obligatory:

www.certsoft.com
 
2013-04-18 09:36:56 PM  
he made stupid choices but at least he took out his displeasure with society in a much more constructive fashion than those mofos who shoot up schools and call in bomb threats. at least respect that little fact.
 
2013-04-18 09:38:12 PM  

Delawheredad: The book was good but it tried real hard to make McCandles into some sort of hero to the point where the author LIES about the kid. It was NOT the wild potatoes that killed him, despite what the book says/, The dumbass starved to death and was woefully unprepared to winter over in Alaska. Jon Krakauer  does not even allow a mention of the fact that McCandles was quite probably bipolar.,His actions in the book have all the hallmarks of someone on a manic high.(Burning money, abandoning college, friends and established relationships ... among many others point to someone divorced from reality.) McCandles was also at the right age for where schizophrenia first manifests itself. The kid was most likely out of his mind and out of hit depth yet  Krakauer so identified with his protagonist that he made him something he was not and never could be .. a hero.


The bipolar stuff is speculation...Krakauer would've be remiss to put that IN the book.  It might be true, but so what?  it makes the kid LESS blameworthy, imho.

And he starved to death because the plant he ate made him too ill to hike out as he planned...so the faulty text IS responsible, to a degree.

You can argue all day long about what he SHOULD have done, but you can't deny the kid's basic premise...unless you're one of those people who thinks getting hauled up Mt. Everest by Sherpas counts as an adventure.
 
2013-04-18 09:39:04 PM  

Janusdog: devildog123: Most of the people up here in Alaska think the guy from into the wild was a farking retard, who got what he deserved.

I'm not from Alaska, and I think he was a farking retard who got what he deserved.


I think most normal people with a decent amount of common sense felt this way as well. I thought the guy was acting immature and selfish, but I don't know how close the movie was based on reality.
 
2013-04-18 09:39:35 PM  

KeelingLovesCornholes: Great book and movie (soundtrack is incredible), but neither are instructional guides. Dumbass.


I have to admit, as much as I hate pretty much everything she has ever done, Kristen Stewert did a fine job on Angle from Montgomery. Obviously nothing compared to Bonnie Riatt, Susan Tedeschi or the great John Prine but I was impressed.
 
2013-04-18 09:39:42 PM  

jdbob: revrendjim: He ended up in SouthEAST Oregon near Steens Mountain. That is rough, remote country, and it's still winter weather out there. I'm betting he is completely dead.

Obligatory:


This.
Last one out please get the lights.
 
2013-04-18 09:39:57 PM  

addy2: PunGent: devildog123: Most of the people up here in Alaska think the guy from into the wild was a farking retard, who got what he deserved.

Then they probably just read the media accounts, not the book.

thank you for that information. I didn't know that. I'm less inclined to point and laugh out of sheer ignorance.


Krakauer's an excellent author, I recommend everything he's written.  He's a reporter, though, and his books often read like a series of reporter's notes all jammed together...still worthwhile, though.
 
2013-04-18 09:41:16 PM  

SuperDuper28: Janusdog: devildog123: Most of the people up here in Alaska think the guy from into the wild was a farking retard, who got what he deserved.

I'm not from Alaska, and I think he was a farking retard who got what he deserved.

I think most normal people with a decent amount of common sense felt this way as well. I thought the guy was acting immature and selfish, but I don't know how close the movie was based on reality.


Read the book.
 
2013-04-18 09:43:30 PM  

Delawheredad: The book was good but it tried real hard to make McCandles into some sort of hero to the point where the author LIES about the kid. It was NOT the wild potatoes that killed him, despite what the book says/, The dumbass starved to death and was woefully unprepared to winter over in Alaska. Jon Krakauer  does not even allow a mention of the fact that McCandles was quite probably bipolar.,His actions in the book have all the hallmarks of someone on a manic high.(Burning money, abandoning college, friends and established relationships ... among many others point to someone divorced from reality.) McCandles was also at the right age for where schizophrenia first manifests itself. The kid was most likely out of his mind and out of hit depth yet  Krakauer so identified with his protagonist that he made him something he was not and never could be .. a hero.


See, I didn't get that at all from the book...I thought Krakauer was trying to understand him, not put him on a pedestal.
 
2013-04-18 09:43:36 PM  

jdbob: revrendjim: He ended up in SouthEAST Oregon near Steens Mountain. That is rough, remote country, and it's still winter weather out there. I'm betting he is completely dead.

Obligatory:

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I laughed.  I saved the pic.

The HUGE problem is that < 50% of people in Oregon are actually Oregonians.

Meaning that most people in Oregon (i.e. those in western Oregon) have never been east of Hood/Bachelor.  They are farking clueless and honestly think it's a green forest.
 
2013-04-18 09:45:45 PM  
If this bozo dies can we charge Sean Penn with accessory to suicide? I read the book. It is well written but it is a hagiography McCandles has literally NO flaws. It is not a book about a real person but rather one about a phantom Jon Krakauer created. There is absolutely NOTHING he did that could be considered heroic, other than his huge donation of cash to Oxfam. And ANYBODY can open their wallet.
 
2013-04-18 09:47:46 PM  

PunGent: SuperDuper28: Janusdog: devildog123: Most of the people up here in Alaska think the guy from into the wild was a farking retard, who got what he deserved.

I'm not from Alaska, and I think he was a farking retard who got what he deserved.

I think most normal people with a decent amount of common sense felt this way as well. I thought the guy was acting immature and selfish, but I don't know how close the movie was based on reality.

Read the book.


Look, I readthe farking book. I still think the guy was an idiot with no concept of what the wild is like. Whether there was incorrect info in the book or not has nothing to do with the fact that if it was possible to survive in that area, there'd already be people there
 
2013-04-18 09:48:10 PM  

PunGent: addy2: PunGent: devildog123: Most of the people up here in Alaska think the guy from into the wild was a farking retard, who got what he deserved.

Then they probably just read the media accounts, not the book.

thank you for that information. I didn't know that. I'm less inclined to point and laugh out of sheer ignorance.

Krakauer's an excellent author, I recommend everything he's written.  He's a reporter, though, and his books often read like a series of reporter's notes all jammed together...still worthwhile, though.


Didn't he write " Into Thin Air?" That book was impossible to put down.
 
2013-04-18 09:49:40 PM  

Quaker: [d18qjg80b1mkbg.cloudfront.net image 394x278]


Came for this, leaving satisfied.
 
2013-04-18 09:51:01 PM  
The name is "Dumass"
 
2013-04-18 09:52:37 PM  
Please stay out of our woods finding your dead body makes hunting awkward
 
2013-04-18 09:53:32 PM  
Thanks for being polite, sheriff, but this is not a search and rescue.

/eat a pine tree

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2013-04-18 09:54:31 PM  
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2013-04-18 09:56:25 PM  
Krakauer IS an excellent author but Into the Wild is easily his weakest book, He so identifies with McCandles that he loses ALL objectivity. In his other books he considers other possible motives for his protagonists actions. In Into Thin Air her rejects any other narrative than McCandles was a misguided but courageous individual. He see so much of himself in the kid that he can't see McCandles flaws. Krakauer even lies about how the kid died rather than admit that he starved to death through stupidity and lack of foresight..
 
2013-04-18 09:58:36 PM  

PunGent: You can argue all day long about what he SHOULD have done, but you can't deny the kid's basic premise...unless you're one of those people who thinks getting hauled up Mt. Everest by Sherpas counts as an adventure.


No, you can and frankly should. It is actually possible have an adventure for which you have properly prepared yourself, yet will still be challenging and rewarding. There is a vast middle ground you have overlooked.
 
2013-04-18 10:00:13 PM  

PunGent: Delawheredad: The book was good but it tried real hard to make McCandles into some sort of hero to the point where the author LIES about the kid. It was NOT the wild potatoes that killed him, despite what the book says/, The dumbass starved to death and was woefully unprepared to winter over in Alaska. Jon Krakauer  does not even allow a mention of the fact that McCandles was quite probably bipolar.,His actions in the book have all the hallmarks of someone on a manic high.(Burning money, abandoning college, friends and established relationships ... among many others point to someone divorced from reality.) McCandles was also at the right age for where schizophrenia first manifests itself. The kid was most likely out of his mind and out of hit depth yet  Krakauer so identified with his protagonist that he made him something he was not and never could be .. a hero.

The bipolar stuff is speculation...Krakauer would've be remiss to put that IN the book.  It might be true, but so what?  it makes the kid LESS blameworthy, imho.

And he starved to death because the plant he ate made him too ill to hike out as he planned...so the faulty text IS responsible, to a degree.

You can argue all day long about what he SHOULD have done, but you can't deny the kid's basic premise...unless you're one of those people who thinks getting hauled up Mt. Everest by Sherpas counts as an adventure.


That depends, is his "basic premise" that wilderness survival in Alaska is a "pick up a book and teach yourself" proposition?


No map, no compass, no real survival skills, mental illness is the most charitable hypothesis.
 
2013-04-18 10:03:43 PM  
Where's OR-7 hanging out nowadays?
 
2013-04-18 10:04:04 PM  
A well versed Boy Scout half the age of McCandles would have had a better chance to survive in the same situation. First of all he would have had a map and a compass and would have been adequately dressed for the weather. When you look at it that way you can ONLY conclude that McCandles was an amazingly naive dumbass. ,
 
2013-04-18 10:07:41 PM  

Delawheredad: If this bozo dies can we charge Sean Penn with accessory to suicide? I


Why? Unless there is a special director's cut in which McCandles doesn't die, the movie made pretty clear that Darwin is out there waiting for those foolish enough to take on Mother Nature poorly prepared. Even if it gloried McCandles' journey, it still showed the ultimate result.
 
2013-04-18 10:07:49 PM  

addy2: PunGent: addy2: PunGent: devildog123: Most of the people up here in Alaska think the guy from into the wild was a farking retard, who got what he deserved.

Then they probably just read the media accounts, not the book.

thank you for that information. I didn't know that. I'm less inclined to point and laugh out of sheer ignorance.

Krakauer's an excellent author, I recommend everything he's written.  He's a reporter, though, and his books often read like a series of reporter's notes all jammed together...still worthwhile, though.

Didn't he write " Into Thin Air?" That book was impossible to put down.


Yep.

And after reading it, I'm NEVER going up Everest...
 
2013-04-18 10:11:23 PM  

amishkarl: PunGent: SuperDuper28: Janusdog: devildog123: Most of the people up here in Alaska think the guy from into the wild was a farking retard, who got what he deserved.

I'm not from Alaska, and I think he was a farking retard who got what he deserved.

I think most normal people with a decent amount of common sense felt this way as well. I thought the guy was acting immature and selfish, but I don't know how close the movie was based on reality.

Read the book.

Look, I readthe farking book. I still think the guy was an idiot with no concept of what the wild is like. Whether there was incorrect info in the book or not has nothing to do with the fact that if it was possible to survive in that area, there'd already be people there


So incorrect factual information from an otherwise-reliable source is irrelevant?

Your buy medication at the drugstore, and the label is wrong, it's completely YOUR fault?

You're allergic to nuts, you buy food that says "no nuts", it has nuts in it...it's YOUR fault?

I'll agree the kid was naive, sure...but the factual error in his field text was a non-negligible contributing factor in his death, in my opinion.
 
2013-04-18 10:14:19 PM  

PunGent: And after reading it, I'm NEVER going up Everest...


I have 'Into Thin Air' but haven't read it yet. But from what I've seen in documentaries, the main threat on Everest these days is getting caught in a traffic jam. Can't imagine getting killed not because of a rock slide or falling in a crevasse but rather because a bunch of people with little mountaineering experience were taking too long on the Chinese ladder. Chimborazo, while not particularly difficult compared to many other summits, does have more interesting bragging rights (closest to the sun, furthest from the center of the earth) than Everest.
 
2013-04-18 10:16:54 PM  
Bear food.
 
2013-04-18 10:16:55 PM  
Never understood the hatred toward McCandles.  There doesn't seem to be nearly as much of a negative reaction to the kid from people outside the US who read the book or see the movie.

Is there some cultural taboo or something that he violated that I'm unaware of?  I've encountered people who get quite angry.  Almost as if this was a kind if personal affront.
 
2013-04-18 10:17:06 PM  

PunGent: amishkarl: PunGent: SuperDuper28: Janusdog: devildog123: Most of the people up here in Alaska think the guy from into the wild was a farking retard, who got what he deserved.

I'm not from Alaska, and I think he was a farking retard who got what he deserved.

I think most normal people with a decent amount of common sense felt this way as well. I thought the guy was acting immature and selfish, but I don't know how close the movie was based on reality.

Read the book.

Look, I readthe farking book. I still think the guy was an idiot with no concept of what the wild is like. Whether there was incorrect info in the book or not has nothing to do with the fact that if it was possible to survive in that area, there'd already be people there

So incorrect factual information from an otherwise-reliable source is irrelevant?

Your buy medication at the drugstore, and the label is wrong, it's completely YOUR fault?

You're allergic to nuts, you buy food that says "no nuts", it has nuts in it...it's YOUR fault?

I'll agree the kid was naive, sure...but the factual error in his field text was a non-negligible contributing factor in his death, in my opinion.


Fine. He bet his life on a single source, and that source was wrong. he's still the one that placed the bet.


In Alaska, we mock people like that beside doing so saves lives. He was an idiot who in no way should be emulated.
 
2013-04-18 10:17:32 PM  

poorjon: PunGent: You can argue all day long about what he SHOULD have done, but you can't deny the kid's basic premise...unless you're one of those people who thinks getting hauled up Mt. Everest by Sherpas counts as an adventure.

No, you can and frankly should. It is actually possible have an adventure for which you have properly prepared yourself, yet will still be challenging and rewarding. There is a vast middle ground you have overlooked.


Oh, sure, there's a middle ground, I absolutely agree.  And I haven't overlooked it...I much prefer to overlook it from a comfortable townhouse with a good meal in my belly and a drink by my computer while discussing it :)

I'm presenting the KID'S point of view, not agreeing with it.  I understand it, is all...I wouldn't DO it.

HIS point is, if you want a REAL adventure, you have to deliberately not take a map.  Go old school.

Ie, you have to handicap yourself.  He wasn't satisfied by a properly-equipped modern expedition...he wouldn't have found it "challenging and rewarding", as you put it.

His underlying premise IS sound, in a crazy kind of way.
 
2013-04-18 10:19:01 PM  

PunGent: So incorrect factual information from an otherwise-reliable source is irrelevant?

Your buy medication at the drugstore, and the label is wrong, it's completely YOUR fault?

You're allergic to nuts, you buy food that says "no nuts", it has nuts in it...it's YOUR fault?

I'll agree the kid was naive, sure...but the factual error in his field text was a non-negligible contributing factor in his death, in my opinion


Crappy comparisons. Food and medication are nessecities. It's buy or die (or at least suffer). If the label is wrong, no not your fault. Tramping off into the bush to get back to nature and planning to live off wild plants is frankly dumb. Even if the field guide was 100% perfect I would't be putting my trust in it.
 
2013-04-18 10:19:43 PM  

amishkarl: PunGent: SuperDuper28: Janusdog: devildog123: Most of the people up here in Alaska think the guy from into the wild was a farking retard, who got what he deserved.

I'm not from Alaska, and I think he was a farking retard who got what he deserved.

I think most normal people with a decent amount of common sense felt this way as well. I thought the guy was acting immature and selfish, but I don't know how close the movie was based on reality.

Read the book.

Look, I readthe farking book. I still think the guy was an idiot with no concept of what the wild is like. Whether there was incorrect info in the book or not has nothing to do with the fact that if it was possible to survive in that area, there'd already be people there


Also, people have been living around Mt. Denali for thousands of years.
 
2013-04-18 10:22:10 PM  

Name_Omitted: PunGent: Delawheredad: The book was good but it tried real hard to make McCandles into some sort of hero to the point where the author LIES about the kid. It was NOT the wild potatoes that killed him, despite what the book says/, The dumbass starved to death and was woefully unprepared to winter over in Alaska. Jon Krakauer  does not even allow a mention of the fact that McCandles was quite probably bipolar.,His actions in the book have all the hallmarks of someone on a manic high.(Burning money, abandoning college, friends and established relationships ... among many others point to someone divorced from reality.) McCandles was also at the right age for where schizophrenia first manifests itself. The kid was most likely out of his mind and out of hit depth yet  Krakauer so identified with his protagonist that he made him something he was not and never could be .. a hero.

The bipolar stuff is speculation...Krakauer would've be remiss to put that IN the book.  It might be true, but so what?  it makes the kid LESS blameworthy, imho.

And he starved to death because the plant he ate made him too ill to hike out as he planned...so the faulty text IS responsible, to a degree.

You can argue all day long about what he SHOULD have done, but you can't deny the kid's basic premise...unless you're one of those people who thinks getting hauled up Mt. Everest by Sherpas counts as an adventure.

That depends, is his "basic premise" that wilderness survival in Alaska is a "pick up a book and teach yourself" proposition?


No map, no compass, no real survival skills, mental illness is the most charitable hypothesis.


Again, read the book.  No map and no compass were deliberate choices, and make sense if you accept his underlying premise.

I realize most people don't accept it, just like most people aren't Amish.
 
2013-04-18 10:23:10 PM  

PunGent: amishkarl: PunGent: SuperDuper28: Janusdog: devildog123: Most of the people up here in Alaska think the guy from into the wild was a farking retard, who got what he deserved.

I'm not from Alaska, and I think he was a farking retard who got what he deserved.

I think most normal people with a decent amount of common sense felt this way as well. I thought the guy was acting immature and selfish, but I don't know how close the movie was based on reality.

Read the book.

Look, I readthe farking book. I still think the guy was an idiot with no concept of what the wild is like. Whether there was incorrect info in the book or not has nothing to do with the fact that if it was possible to survive in that area, there'd already be people there

So incorrect factual information from an otherwise-reliable source is irrelevant?

Your buy medication at the drugstore, and the label is wrong, it's completely YOUR fault?

You're allergic to nuts, you buy food that says "no nuts", it has nuts in it...it's YOUR fault?

I'll agree the kid was naive, sure...but the factual error in his field text was a non-negligible contributing factor in his death, in my opinion.


The error in the guide was made up, and the poisoning itself is also unlikely.  From  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Into_the_Wild_(book)#Cause_of_death :

However, in 1997, Dr. Thomas Clausen-the biochemist at the University of Alaska, Fairbanks, who examined the wild potato plant (Hedysarum alpinum) for Jon Krakauer-concluded after exhaustive testing that no part of H. alpinum is toxic. Neither the roots nor the seeds. Accordingly, McCandless could not have poisoned himself in the way suggested by Krakauer in his 1996 book Into the Wild, and in every subsequent reprinting of the book over the next decade. Likewise, Dr. Clausen's analysis of the wild sweet pea (Hedysarum mackenzii)-given as the cause of Chris's death in the 2007 Sean Penn film-has also turned up no toxic compounds, and there is not a single account in modern medical literature of anyone ever being poisoned by this species of plant. Moreover, Penn's on-screen excerpt from the ethno-botany guide Chris was using, indicating otherwise, is a complete fiction, for all that this plant lore text actually states is that the wild sweet pea "is reported to be poisonous" (Tana'ina Plantlore, Priscilla Russell Kari, p. 128). The rest of it is simply made up. Thus, even if McCandless made a mistake of botany, something that even Krakauer claims is unlikely, he would not have been poisoned as portrayed in the Penn film
 
2013-04-18 10:23:16 PM  

PunGent: Actually the 'Into the Wild' kid gets a bad rap.

He discovered...the hard way...a flaw in a basic, respected field guide to plants.

So, in my book, he took risks, but wasn't a COMPLETE dumbass.

I agree with his basic premise...in an era when you can get carried up Mt. Everest, the only way to have a REAL adventure is to not use a map, GPS, etc...you have to handicap yourself.

I wouldn't do it, any more than I'd turn Amish...but I understand the impulse.


You're relying too much on what Krakauer writes in the book. His theory on how McCandless died is controversial at best.
 
2013-04-18 10:23:20 PM  

penthesilea: Is there some cultural taboo or something that he violated that I'm unaware of? I've encountered people who get quite angry. Almost as if this was a kind if personal affront.


We're a nation of people who buy Range Rovers to pick the kids up from middle school and dress up in North Face jackets to go to the Urban Outfitters at the mall. McCandles showed what happens to the average middle class American who actually tries to do the whole rugged individualist thing instead of just playing make believe. He burst people's bubbles. No one likes to have their self delusion exposed.
 
2013-04-18 10:23:24 PM  

EngineerAU: PunGent: And after reading it, I'm NEVER going up Everest...

I have 'Into Thin Air' but haven't read it yet. But from what I've seen in documentaries, the main threat on Everest these days is getting caught in a traffic jam. Can't imagine getting killed not because of a rock slide or falling in a crevasse but rather because a bunch of people with little mountaineering experience were taking too long on the Chinese ladder. Chimborazo, while not particularly difficult compared to many other summits, does have more interesting bragging rights (closest to the sun, furthest from the center of the earth) than Everest.


It's the HACE that got me...I like my brain un-boiled, thank you.
 
2013-04-18 10:23:28 PM  

penthesilea: Never understood the hatred toward McCandles.  There doesn't seem to be nearly as much of a negative reaction to the kid from people outside the US who read the book or see the movie.

Is there some cultural taboo or something that he violated that I'm unaware of?  I've encountered people who get quite angry.  Almost as if this was a kind if personal affront.


its just that 'muricans hate what they don't understand
 
2013-04-18 10:23:50 PM  

penthesilea: Never understood the hatred toward McCandles.  There doesn't seem to be nearly as much of a negative reaction to the kid from people outside the US who read the book or see the movie.

Is there some cultural taboo or something that he violated that I'm unaware of?  I've encountered people who get quite angry.  Almost as if this was a kind if personal affront.


It's a modern day cautionary story that tells kids to stay the fark out of the wilderness until you are ready for it.


There have been several copycats who get themselves into trouble, and we have to go in after them, so yeah, we take affront to people who try and make him out to be a hero worth emulating.
 
2013-04-18 10:24:08 PM  

PunGent: Also, people have been living around Mt. Denali for thousands of years



Oh, I must have missed the part of the  book where it explains that he was a member of whatever tribe, Speaking of which, the native tribe would have known not to eat whatever plant in that season cuz great-great great-greatgrandpa's brother tried it.
 
2013-04-18 10:27:49 PM  

PunGent: addy2: PunGent: addy2: PunGent: devildog123: Most of the people up here in Alaska think the guy from into the wild was a farking retard, who got what he deserved.

Then they probably just read the media accounts, not the book.

thank you for that information. I didn't know that. I'm less inclined to point and laugh out of sheer ignorance.

Krakauer's an excellent author, I recommend everything he's written.  He's a reporter, though, and his books often read like a series of reporter's notes all jammed together...still worthwhile, though.

Didn't he write " Into Thin Air?" That book was impossible to put down.

Yep.

And after reading it, I'm NEVER going up Everest...


same here. But the book did stimulate interest in those who do. those and Wilfred Thesiger's books I read as a kid. Pretty fascinating stuff.
 
2013-04-18 10:31:14 PM  

Name_Omitted: PunGent: amishkarl: PunGent: SuperDuper28: Janusdog: devildog123: Most of the people up here in Alaska think the guy from into the wild was a farking retard, who got what he deserved.

I'm not from Alaska, and I think he was a farking retard who got what he deserved.

I think most normal people with a decent amount of common sense felt this way as well. I thought the guy was acting immature and selfish, but I don't know how close the movie was based on reality.

Read the book.

Look, I readthe farking book. I still think the guy was an idiot with no concept of what the wild is like. Whether there was incorrect info in the book or not has nothing to do with the fact that if it was possible to survive in that area, there'd already be people there

So incorrect factual information from an otherwise-reliable source is irrelevant?

Your buy medication at the drugstore, and the label is wrong, it's completely YOUR fault?

You're allergic to nuts, you buy food that says "no nuts", it has nuts in it...it's YOUR fault?

I'll agree the kid was naive, sure...but the factual error in his field text was a non-negligible contributing factor in his death, in my opinion.

Fine. He bet his life on a single source, and that source was wrong. he's still the one that placed the bet.


In Alaska, we mock people like that beside doing so saves lives. He was an idiot who in no way should be emulated.


Hey, it's a free country...mock him all you want.

But remember...odds are, you'll probably live long enough to rely on a medication your doctor prescribes...then you'll be the one 'betting your life on a single source'.  Hopefully there won't be an error in the prescription your doc writes.

How about your brake mechanic?  Did you check HIS work, after that last overhaul?  You won't really know until you're sliding toward that big truck, will you?

How about the migrant worker who picked the tomatoes in your last taco?  he have drug-resistant TB?
Shouldn't have relied on that source of food I guess.

His death is just a more graphic example of decisions we all make every day.
 
2013-04-18 10:32:47 PM  

amishkarl: PunGent: So incorrect factual information from an otherwise-reliable source is irrelevant?

Your buy medication at the drugstore, and the label is wrong, it's completely YOUR fault?

You're allergic to nuts, you buy food that says "no nuts", it has nuts in it...it's YOUR fault?

I'll agree the kid was naive, sure...but the factual error in his field text was a non-negligible contributing factor in his death, in my opinion

Crappy comparisons. Food and medication are nessecities. It's buy or die (or at least suffer). If the label is wrong, no not your fault. Tramping off into the bush to get back to nature and planning to live off wild plants is frankly dumb. Even if the field guide was 100% perfect I would't be putting my trust in it.


Yeah, plants weren't all he was planning to live on...read the book.
 
2013-04-18 10:35:21 PM  

rkane1: PunGent: amishkarl: PunGent: SuperDuper28: Janusdog: devildog123: Most of the people up here in Alaska think the guy from into the wild was a farking retard, who got what he deserved.

I'm not from Alaska, and I think he was a farking retard who got what he deserved.

I think most normal people with a decent amount of common sense felt this way as well. I thought the guy was acting immature and selfish, but I don't know how close the movie was based on reality.

Read the book.

Look, I readthe farking book. I still think the guy was an idiot with no concept of what the wild is like. Whether there was incorrect info in the book or not has nothing to do with the fact that if it was possible to survive in that area, there'd already be people there

So incorrect factual information from an otherwise-reliable source is irrelevant?

Your buy medication at the drugstore, and the label is wrong, it's completely YOUR fault?

You're allergic to nuts, you buy food that says "no nuts", it has nuts in it...it's YOUR fault?

I'll agree the kid was naive, sure...but the factual error in his field text was a non-negligible contributing factor in his death, in my opinion.

The error in the guide was made up, and the poisoning itself is also unlikely.  From  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Into_the_Wild_(book)#Cause_of_death :

However, in 1997, Dr. Thomas Clausen-the biochemist at the University of Alaska, Fairbanks, who examined the wild potato plant (Hedysarum alpinum) for Jon Krakauer-concluded after exhaustive testing that no part of H. alpinum is toxic. Neither the roots nor the seeds. Accordingly, McCandless could not have poisoned himself in the way suggested by Krakauer in his 1996 book Into the Wild, and in every subsequent reprinting of the book over the next decade. Likewise, Dr. Clausen's analysis of the wild sweet pea (Hedysarum mackenzii)-given as the cause of Chris's death in the 2007 Sean Penn film-has also turned up no toxic compounds, and there is not a single account ...


I'd have to dig up my copy...iirc it was neither roots nor seeds, but I haven't read it in years.

Haven't seen the movie, won't comment on it.
 
2013-04-18 10:35:36 PM  

EngineerAU: penthesilea: Is there some cultural taboo or something that he violated that I'm unaware of? I've encountered people who get quite angry. Almost as if this was a kind if personal affront.

We're a nation of people who buy Range Rovers to pick the kids up from middle school and dress up in North Face jackets to go to the Urban Outfitters at the mall. McCandles showed what happens to the average middle class American who actually tries to do the whole rugged individualist thing instead of just playing make believe. He burst people's bubbles. No one likes to have their self delusion exposed.


Bullshiat. He tried to do the rugged individualist thing, but he did it completely wrong. It's a book that shouldn't have been written, or at least should have been written from a different perspective. He went to Alaska woefully unprepared, and despite the fact that he walked 5 miles into the woods and lived in a farking bus, we're led to believe he was on this grand adventure to live off the land. He was a model of what not to do, and yet somebody has to glorify this guy by writing a book that wasn't titled "How to be a farking dumbass". Some people actually do much more extreme things in far more unforgiving environments, and live to the tell the tale. Because they know what they're doing!

/Now ask me how I feel about Between a Rock and a Hard Place/127 Hours
 
2013-04-18 10:38:07 PM  

Third Leg: PunGent: Actually the 'Into the Wild' kid gets a bad rap.

He discovered...the hard way...a flaw in a basic, respected field guide to plants.

So, in my book, he took risks, but wasn't a COMPLETE dumbass.

I agree with his basic premise...in an era when you can get carried up Mt. Everest, the only way to have a REAL adventure is to not use a map, GPS, etc...you have to handicap yourself.

I wouldn't do it, any more than I'd turn Amish...but I understand the impulse.

You're relying too much on what Krakauer writes in the book. His theory on how McCandless died is controversial at best.


Yep, I'm relying on the book.

Actually, my memory of a book I read years ago.

At the end of the day, NONE of us were there, and, iirc, his body was too far gone for an autopsy, so we're ALL speculating.
 
2013-04-18 10:38:33 PM  

PunGent: It's the HACE that got me...I like my brain un-boiled, thank you.


High altitude is weird. My only experience is when I hiked Kilimanjaro. While the rest of my party had some symptoms of altitude sickness for almost the entire hike, I was great until summit night. That night however is filled with huge gaps in my memory. My hiking companions all were seeing things like wild animals ready to attack us and one member of my party almost ended up in a physical fight with a guide from another group after they spent some quality time yelling at each other over the location of the path. Which was stupid since it's basically a huge seemingly endless pile of screen so there is no one path.

When we got to the summit it was daylight and I hallucinated an entire ranger station up there. I was walking around the "station" looking for the door to the toilet. I'm guessing it was really a huge rock. Glad my imagination didn't find the toilet. It was wild to see everyone else up there switch several times from being totally rational to being totally crazy. At one point I was convinced that our guide was trying to kill us. Luckily they're use to it. I can't imagine going on for another 10,000 feet, acclimation or not.
 
2013-04-18 10:41:12 PM  

amishkarl: PunGent: Also, people have been living around Mt. Denali for thousands of years


Oh, I must have missed the part of the  book where it explains that he was a member of whatever tribe, Speaking of which, the native tribe would have known not to eat whatever plant in that season cuz great-great great-greatgrandpa's brother tried it.


So you admit it's possible to live off the land there, without a map or a compass.

Christ, it's like pulling teeth with some of you people.
 
2013-04-18 10:43:43 PM  

Third Leg: EngineerAU: penthesilea: Is there some cultural taboo or something that he violated that I'm unaware of? I've encountered people who get quite angry. Almost as if this was a kind if personal affront.

We're a nation of people who buy Range Rovers to pick the kids up from middle school and dress up in North Face jackets to go to the Urban Outfitters at the mall. McCandles showed what happens to the average middle class American who actually tries to do the whole rugged individualist thing instead of just playing make believe. He burst people's bubbles. No one likes to have their self delusion exposed.

Bullshiat. He tried to do the rugged individualist thing, but he did it completely wrong. It's a book that shouldn't have been written, or at least should have been written from a different perspective. He went to Alaska woefully unprepared, and despite the fact that he walked 5 miles into the woods and lived in a farking bus, we're led to believe he was on this grand adventure to live off the land. He was a model of what not to do, and yet somebody has to glorify this guy by writing a book that wasn't titled "How to be a farking dumbass". Some people actually do much more extreme things in far more unforgiving environments, and live to the tell the tale.


Yes, and with the right equipment, people can survive in outer space.

NOT the point the kid was trying to make.
 
2013-04-18 10:45:04 PM  

Third Leg: EngineerAU: penthesilea: Is there some cultural taboo or something that he violated that I'm unaware of? I've encountered people who get quite angry. Almost as if this was a kind if personal affront.

We're a nation of people who buy Range Rovers to pick the kids up from middle school and dress up in North Face jackets to go to the Urban Outfitters at the mall. McCandles showed what happens to the average middle class American who actually tries to do the whole rugged individualist thing instead of just playing make believe. He burst people's bubbles. No one likes to have their self delusion exposed.

Bullshiat. He tried to do the rugged individualist thing, but he did it completely wrong. It's a book that shouldn't have been written, or at least should have been written from a different perspective. He went to Alaska woefully unprepared, and despite the fact that he walked 5 miles into the woods and lived in a farking bus, we're led to believe he was on this grand adventure to live off the land. He was a model of what not to do, and yet somebody has to glorify this guy by writing a book that wasn't titled "How to be a farking dumbass". Some people actually do much more extreme things in far more unforgiving environments, and live to the tell the tale. Because they know what they're doing!

/Now ask me how I feel about Between a Rock and a Hard Place/127 Hours


the excerpts I read didn't seem to glorify him. Odd the different readings on this. It's been a while, and as I said earlier I'm ignorant on any follow ups but I certainly didn't come away with the idea he was being glorified.
 
2013-04-18 10:45:13 PM  

Third Leg: Some people actually do much more extreme things in far more unforgiving environments, and live to the tell the tale. Because they know what they're doing!


True but those people don't play dress up wearing mountaineering clothes to the mall while driving an SUV that has never seen anything more challenging than a pothole. While those who know what they're doing rightfully criticize McCandles, most who do so are boring average people who simply delude themselves into thinking they're something they're not. McCandles is an inconvenient reminder of how poorly most people would fare if they really faced living in the wild. Those with actual skills aren't the average person.
 
2013-04-18 10:45:47 PM  

PunGent: Yep, I'm relying on the book.

Actually, my memory of a book I read years ago.

At the end of the day, NONE of us were there, and, iirc, his body was too far gone for an autopsy, so we're ALL speculating.


Exactly. And if the line between "dumbass" and "innocent victim" is based solely on one person's largely debunked speculation that his death was the result of nothing more than a botany book's error, well... that's a pretty fine line.
 
2013-04-18 10:47:24 PM  
Here's one side of the Fields-Denio Road:

upload.wikimedia.org

Here's the other side:

upload.wikimedia.org

The only way he could be any more farked is if he encountered the Bear Cavalry. The buzzards will dine heartily when the snow melts, and good riddance.
 
2013-04-18 10:48:03 PM  

addy2: Third Leg: EngineerAU: penthesilea: Is there some cultural taboo or something that he violated that I'm unaware of? I've encountered people who get quite angry. Almost as if this was a kind if personal affront.

We're a nation of people who buy Range Rovers to pick the kids up from middle school and dress up in North Face jackets to go to the Urban Outfitters at the mall. McCandles showed what happens to the average middle class American who actually tries to do the whole rugged individualist thing instead of just playing make believe. He burst people's bubbles. No one likes to have their self delusion exposed.

Bullshiat. He tried to do the rugged individualist thing, but he did it completely wrong. It's a book that shouldn't have been written, or at least should have been written from a different perspective. He went to Alaska woefully unprepared, and despite the fact that he walked 5 miles into the woods and lived in a farking bus, we're led to believe he was on this grand adventure to live off the land. He was a model of what not to do, and yet somebody has to glorify this guy by writing a book that wasn't titled "How to be a farking dumbass". Some people actually do much more extreme things in far more unforgiving environments, and live to the tell the tale. Because they know what they're doing!

/Now ask me how I feel about Between a Rock and a Hard Place/127 Hours

the excerpts I read didn't seem to glorify him. Odd the different readings on this. It's been a while, and as I said earlier I'm ignorant on any follow ups but I certainly didn't come away with the idea he was being glorified.


Yes, the different take-aways are odd.  My wife and I read it at the same time, and she's firmly in the "he's a thoughtless dumbass with no redeeming qualities" camp.

Although HER primary objection was that he didn't send his parents a letter or even a postcard...and her idea of roughing it is a three-star hotel :)
 
2013-04-18 10:49:49 PM  

ladyfortuna: You guys are looking at this all wrong... it's natural selection in motion.


"Evolution in action"...from a book I've read.  It's possibly "Dream Park" by Nivens and Barnes.
 
2013-04-18 10:50:27 PM  

PunGent: Actually the 'Into the Wild' kid gets a bad rap.

He discovered...the hard way...a flaw in a basic, respected field guide to plants.

So, in my book, he took risks, but wasn't a COMPLETE dumbass.

I agree with his basic premise...in an era when you can get carried up Mt. Everest, the only way to have a REAL adventure is to not use a map, GPS, etc...you have to handicap yourself.

I wouldn't do it, any more than I'd turn Amish...but I understand the impulse.


No he doesn't get a bad rap. He was a complete dumbass, and truly...truly died to his own stupidity.

Honestly though, I think he, this latest dumbass and the bear guy are all probably more than a wee bit 'touched' as my grandfather would have said. There really seems to be a component of mental illness involved, so that makes me sad. They were convinced (all of 'em) by an innate belief that defied reality. They thought they had special knowledge and/or understanding others did not. (Well 2/3, this latest guy sounds like that too, but we don't know for sure yet...but what little we do know fits it).

ALL OF THEM had been told by more than one source how terminally stupid this was.

I'm sorry for 'em, don't wish that kind of death on someone for being dumb, and I feel really terrible for the suffering they put their families and others through.
 
2013-04-18 10:52:36 PM  

PunGent: Third Leg: EngineerAU: penthesilea: Is there some cultural taboo or something that he violated that I'm unaware of? I've encountered people who get quite angry. Almost as if this was a kind if personal affront.

We're a nation of people who buy Range Rovers to pick the kids up from middle school and dress up in North Face jackets to go to the Urban Outfitters at the mall. McCandles showed what happens to the average middle class American who actually tries to do the whole rugged individualist thing instead of just playing make believe. He burst people's bubbles. No one likes to have their self delusion exposed.

Bullshiat. He tried to do the rugged individualist thing, but he did it completely wrong. It's a book that shouldn't have been written, or at least should have been written from a different perspective. He went to Alaska woefully unprepared, and despite the fact that he walked 5 miles into the woods and lived in a farking bus, we're led to believe he was on this grand adventure to live off the land. He was a model of what not to do, and yet somebody has to glorify this guy by writing a book that wasn't titled "How to be a farking dumbass". Some people actually do much more extreme things in far more unforgiving environments, and live to the tell the tale.

Yes, and with the right equipment, people can survive in outer space.

NOT the point the kid was trying to make.


And some people would say that going into an unforgiving environment without the right equipment is the very definition of crazy. And that your run-of-the-mill crazy people doesn't really need a book written about them.

I understand the kid's point, I do. I love being outside, and sometimes I think I was born a couple hundred years too late. But we tend to look at wilderness with a 21st century perspective that is very rose colored. Yeah, I love spending time hiking for a week, two, or three at a time, in summer, on a trail that has been built for me. But living in the real wilds of Alaska is a completely different thing. And this kid didn't understand that.
 
2013-04-18 10:52:42 PM  

Third Leg: PunGent: Yep, I'm relying on the book.

Actually, my memory of a book I read years ago.

At the end of the day, NONE of us were there, and, iirc, his body was too far gone for an autopsy, so we're ALL speculating.

Exactly. And if the line between "dumbass" and "innocent victim" is based solely on one person's largely debunked speculation that his death was the result of nothing more than a botany book's error, well... that's a pretty fine line.


I wouldn't call him an "innocent victim".  Heck, I think he'd be offended himself.

He made his decisions, deliberately reduced his safety margins, and paid the price.

His whole point was deliberately reducing his safety margins, imho...unsurprising it bit him on the ass.

I'm not CONDONING what he did, but I think I understand what he was TRYING to do.

I certainly wouldn't do it myself, or encourage anyone I cared about to go that route.

Now, if, say, Pat Robertson wanted some camping advice...
 
2013-04-18 10:52:51 PM  

PunGent: addy2: Third Leg: EngineerAU: penthesilea: Is there some cultural taboo or something that he violated that I'm unaware of? I've encountered people who get quite angry. Almost as if this was a kind if personal affront.

We're a nation of people who buy Range Rovers to pick the kids up from middle school and dress up in North Face jackets to go to the Urban Outfitters at the mall. McCandles showed what happens to the average middle class American who actually tries to do the whole rugged individualist thing instead of just playing make believe. He burst people's bubbles. No one likes to have their self delusion exposed.

Bullshiat. He tried to do the rugged individualist thing, but he did it completely wrong. It's a book that shouldn't have been written, or at least should have been written from a different perspective. He went to Alaska woefully unprepared, and despite the fact that he walked 5 miles into the woods and lived in a farking bus, we're led to believe he was on this grand adventure to live off the land. He was a model of what not to do, and yet somebody has to glorify this guy by writing a book that wasn't titled "How to be a farking dumbass". Some people actually do much more extreme things in far more unforgiving environments, and live to the tell the tale. Because they know what they're doing!

/Now ask me how I feel about Between a Rock and a Hard Place/127 Hours

the excerpts I read didn't seem to glorify him. Odd the different readings on this. It's been a while, and as I said earlier I'm ignorant on any follow ups but I certainly didn't come away with the idea he was being glorified.

Yes, the different take-aways are odd.  My wife and I read it at the same time, and she's firmly in the "he's a thoughtless dumbass with no redeeming qualities" camp.

Although HER primary objection was that he didn't send his parents a letter or even a postcard...and her idea of roughing it is a three-star hotel :)


As a mother, I have to agree with your wife as well. but overall I came away sad. Not inclined to dismiss him with a " good riddance." That response has a tinge of fear in it.
 
2013-04-18 10:57:31 PM  

Name_Omitted: We really need to get around to burying that farking bus.


Physically as well as spiritually.
 
2013-04-18 10:57:52 PM  

Lady Indica: PunGent: Actually the 'Into the Wild' kid gets a bad rap.

He discovered...the hard way...a flaw in a basic, respected field guide to plants.

So, in my book, he took risks, but wasn't a COMPLETE dumbass.

I agree with his basic premise...in an era when you can get carried up Mt. Everest, the only way to have a REAL adventure is to not use a map, GPS, etc...you have to handicap yourself.

I wouldn't do it, any more than I'd turn Amish...but I understand the impulse.

No he doesn't get a bad rap. He was a complete dumbass, and truly...truly died to his own stupidity.

Honestly though, I think he, this latest dumbass and the bear guy are all probably more than a wee bit 'touched' as my grandfather would have said. There really seems to be a component of mental illness involved, so that makes me sad. They were convinced (all of 'em) by an innate belief that defied reality. They thought they had special knowledge and/or understanding others did not. (Well 2/3, this latest guy sounds like that too, but we don't know for sure yet...but what little we do know fits it).

ALL OF THEM had been told by more than one source how terminally stupid this was.

I'm sorry for 'em, don't wish that kind of death on someone for being dumb, and I feel really terrible for the suffering they put their families and others through.


I agree he and the bear guy died due to his own actions, but I guess I find a kind of magnificent foolishness in that kind of death..99 percent of us will die in our beds without ever even trying anything out of line with our neighbor's expectations.

Hell, look at any subdivision...most people are afraid to paint their houses too brightly.

I find these death-defying dumbasses a break from the monotony, at least, so I've got a soft spot for them.
 
2013-04-18 10:58:01 PM  

EngineerAU: Third Leg: Some people actually do much more extreme things in far more unforgiving environments, and live to the tell the tale. Because they know what they're doing!

True but those people don't play dress up wearing mountaineering clothes to the mall while driving an SUV that has never seen anything more challenging than a pothole. While those who know what they're doing rightfully criticize McCandles, most who do so are boring average people who simply delude themselves into thinking they're something they're not. McCandles is an inconvenient reminder of how poorly most people would fare if they really faced living in the wild. Those with actual skills aren't the average person.


Fair enough.
 
2013-04-18 10:59:27 PM  
After college I felt a lot like Into the Wild guy, in that a comfortable upper middle class upbringing left me wondering what I was really made of, compelled to shuck off my roots and go it alone, knocking myself down and rebuilding on my own merit.  But, you know...in society, not the woods.
 
2013-04-18 11:01:14 PM  

Third Leg: PunGent: Third Leg: EngineerAU: penthesilea: Is there some cultural taboo or something that he violated that I'm unaware of? I've encountered people who get quite angry. Almost as if this was a kind if personal affront.

We're a nation of people who buy Range Rovers to pick the kids up from middle school and dress up in North Face jackets to go to the Urban Outfitters at the mall. McCandles showed what happens to the average middle class American who actually tries to do the whole rugged individualist thing instead of just playing make believe. He burst people's bubbles. No one likes to have their self delusion exposed.

Bullshiat. He tried to do the rugged individualist thing, but he did it completely wrong. It's a book that shouldn't have been written, or at least should have been written from a different perspective. He went to Alaska woefully unprepared, and despite the fact that he walked 5 miles into the woods and lived in a farking bus, we're led to believe he was on this grand adventure to live off the land. He was a model of what not to do, and yet somebody has to glorify this guy by writing a book that wasn't titled "How to be a farking dumbass". Some people actually do much more extreme things in far more unforgiving environments, and live to the tell the tale.

Yes, and with the right equipment, people can survive in outer space.

NOT the point the kid was trying to make.

And some people would say that going into an unforgiving environment without the right equipment is the very definition of crazy. And that your run-of-the-mill crazy people doesn't really need a book written about them.

I understand the kid's point, I do. I love being outside, and sometimes I think I was born a couple hundred years too late. But we tend to look at wilderness with a 21st century perspective that is very rose colored. Yeah, I love spending time hiking for a week, two, or three at a time, in summer, on a trail that has been built for me. But living in the real wilds of A ...


Good points.  I happen to think crazy people (literal and figurative) DO need books written about them.

And at that age, the kid almost certainly didn't have "proper" appreciation of his own mortality.

That's why we make soldiers out of them, to paraphrase Thucydides.
 
2013-04-18 11:02:18 PM  
Still beats living in Piedmont, Oklahoma.
 
2013-04-18 11:03:33 PM  

Abox: After college I felt a lot like Into the Wild guy, in that a comfortable upper middle class upbringing left me wondering what I was really made of, compelled to shuck off my roots and go it alone, knocking myself down and rebuilding on my own merit.  But, you know...in society, not the woods.


I had a cousin that did the urban walkabout thing, moved from a safe East Coast upper class suburb to a sketchy LA neighborhood in the 80's.

She did fine, but, you know...could have been shot and killed.

No guarantees in life, as this particular week has shown us.
 
2013-04-18 11:08:30 PM  
There is not a hate for McCandles per se but a hatred of his stupidity. He did not even have the basics a freakin' BOY SCOUT would have taken with him! He wanted to live off the land, for a winter? OK I'll buy that might be a noble goal but the way he set about to achieve his goal was complete dumbassery!
I feel sorry for his parents and friends. I even can see why Krakauer sugar coated his death. It doesn't altar the fact that McCandles stunt was monumentally STUPID.. Compare how Krakauer wrote about the stupidity he encountered on Everest to the complete and total lack of criticism of McCandles in "Into the wild"  That is an author so in love with his subject that he abandons objectivity. .
 
2013-04-18 11:10:32 PM  
I feel for the parents.

As the father of a head-strong 23-year-old I can only imagine the soul-searing agony that I would be feeling if -instead of law school- my son was likely dead in a snow-covered ravine in Oregon.

Though I doubt they ever will, I hope they find comfort and peace.
 
2013-04-18 11:10:47 PM  
19 year old diary left behind mentioned "blue berries".   Think elk, sheep, antelope, or deer poo is the closest he'll get to berries -- as in dingle berries.

Wait till spring in a few weeks and look for vultures circling.  RIP little guy.
 
2013-04-18 11:12:32 PM  

PunGent: Lady Indica: PunGent: Actually the 'Into the Wild' kid gets a bad rap.

He discovered...the hard way...a flaw in a basic, respected field guide to plants.

So, in my book, he took risks, but wasn't a COMPLETE dumbass.

I agree with his basic premise...in an era when you can get carried up Mt. Everest, the only way to have a REAL adventure is to not use a map, GPS, etc...you have to handicap yourself.

I wouldn't do it, any more than I'd turn Amish...but I understand the impulse.

No he doesn't get a bad rap. He was a complete dumbass, and truly...truly died to his own stupidity.

Honestly though, I think he, this latest dumbass and the bear guy are all probably more than a wee bit 'touched' as my grandfather would have said. There really seems to be a component of mental illness involved, so that makes me sad. They were convinced (all of 'em) by an innate belief that defied reality. They thought they had special knowledge and/or understanding others did not. (Well 2/3, this latest guy sounds like that too, but we don't know for sure yet...but what little we do know fits it).

ALL OF THEM had been told by more than one source how terminally stupid this was.

I'm sorry for 'em, don't wish that kind of death on someone for being dumb, and I feel really terrible for the suffering they put their families and others through.

I agree he and the bear guy died due to his own actions, but I guess I find a kind of magnificent foolishness in that kind of death..99 percent of us will die in our beds without ever even trying anything out of line with our neighbor's expectations.

Hell, look at any subdivision...most people are afraid to paint their houses too brightly.

I find these death-defying dumbasses a break from the monotony, at least, so I've got a soft spot for them.


Wrong, but stay with me! ;) They're not like someone who climbs Everest without an oxy tank and sherpas...these guys are like a dumbass showing up at Everest, with NO training, NO real preplanning, refusing to listen to ANY expert about the mountain because their spirit within tells them all they need...and they freeze to death stupidly and uselessly in survivable conditions.

It's wasteful, it's ignorant, and it's just infuriatingly dumb.

The types of people I THINK you're saying you admire are those who left their cozy beds and took on danger for the sake of exploration. I dig that too. I'm a huge science nerd, and love explorers, astronauts. But this isn't a brave soul going to Mars because it's there...this is a moron loading gunpowder into a trash can because they BELIEVE they can zoom into spaaaace.

There's nothing admirable about these guys. Nothing. They emulate the types you (and I) admire, but REFUSE TO DO THE ACTUAL WORK. Therein lies the difference. They believe their specialness is enough.

It's not. Nature is a biatch.
 
2013-04-18 11:21:34 PM  

Lady Indica: Wrong, but stay with me! ;) They're not like someone who climbs Everest without an oxy tank and sherpas...these guys are like a dumbass showing up at Everest, with NO training, NO real preplanning, refusing to listen to ANY expert about the mountain because their spirit within tells them all they need...and they freeze to death stupidly and uselessly in survivable conditions.

It's wasteful, it's ignorant, and it's just infuriatingly dumb.

The types of people I THINK you're saying you admire are those who left their cozy beds and took on danger for the sake of exploration. I dig that too. I'm a huge science nerd, and love explorers, astronauts. But this isn't a brave soul going to Mars because it's there...this is a moron loading gunpowder into a trash can because they BELIEVE they can zoom into spaaaace.

There's nothing admirable about these guys. Nothing. They emulate the types you (and I) admire, but REFUSE TO DO THE ACTUAL WORK. Therein lies the difference. They believe their specialness is enough.

It's not. Nature is a biatch.


This x 1000. Thank you.
 
2013-04-18 11:21:47 PM  

PunGent: I'll agree the kid was naive, sure...but the factual error in his field text was a non-negligible contributing factor in his death, in my opinion.


Except he wasn't poisoned.   http://www.tifilms.com/wild/call_debunked.htm
 
2013-04-18 11:41:03 PM  
 Jeezus man, didn't they watch all the way? I know it drags on a bit but they really should have saw it through, could have saved them a lot of problems.

Hypno
 
2013-04-18 11:53:30 PM  

PunGent: Name_Omitted: PunGent: amishkarl: PunGent: SuperDuper28: Janusdog: devildog123: Most of the people up here in Alaska think the guy from into the wild was a farking retard, who got what he deserved.

I'm not from Alaska, and I think he was a farking retard who got what he deserved.

I think most normal people with a decent amount of common sense felt this way as well. I thought the guy was acting immature and selfish, but I don't know how close the movie was based on reality.

Read the book.

Look, I readthe farking book. I still think the guy was an idiot with no concept of what the wild is like. Whether there was incorrect info in the book or not has nothing to do with the fact that if it was possible to survive in that area, there'd already be people there

So incorrect factual information from an otherwise-reliable source is irrelevant?

Your buy medication at the drugstore, and the label is wrong, it's completely YOUR fault?

You're allergic to nuts, you buy food that says "no nuts", it has nuts in it...it's YOUR fault?

I'll agree the kid was naive, sure...but the factual error in his field text was a non-negligible contributing factor in his death, in my opinion.

Fine. He bet his life on a single source, and that source was wrong. he's still the one that placed the bet.


In Alaska, we mock people like that beside doing so saves lives. He was an idiot who in no way should be emulated.

Hey, it's a free country...mock him all you want.

But remember...odds are, you'll probably live long enough to rely on a medication your doctor prescribes...then you'll be the one 'betting your life on a single source'.  Hopefully there won't be an error in the prescription your doc writes.

How about your brake mechanic?  Did you check HIS work, after that last overhaul?  You won't really know until you're sliding toward that big truck, will you?

How about the migrant worker who picked the tomatoes in your last taco?  he have drug-resistant TB?
Shouldn't have relied on that ...


How do you fail to see the difference between deciding to trust your doctor/mechanic and deciding to risk your life by going to an inhospitable location not prepared.  You don't just walk into a Dr.'s office and say, "gimme some pills".  Likely you've discussed it with your doctor, and based on his training and expertise so you know what the drug is for.  Can he make a mistake?  Sure, but it's infinitely less likely.

/false comparison is false
//never make major decisions uninformed or unprepared
///decide on more slashies
 
2013-04-18 11:53:51 PM  
Steens? Oh, that guy's dead.
 
2013-04-18 11:54:06 PM  
 And for the record chris mccandless lived a long time off the land in Alaska as well as a good portion of the lower 48 with not much more than the clothes on his back by living off the land. He only died when he made the, ultimately fatal, mistake of waiting until after the thaw to come back out. It's just pathetic to hear all this "hurr hurr he got what he deserved" bullshiat from people who most likely have barely set foot past where their lawn ends in the back yard. It's sick to think that there are actually people who derive so much  self righteous pleasure from someone else's death.

Hypnozombie
 
2013-04-19 12:06:29 AM  
My family has been residents of this state since the 1940s.  All my life I wondered what's down there in that Southeast corner (the real place that Dustin Self went).  So I risked my life to drive there and find out.  See how there's nothing there?  That's because... there's nothing there.  If your car ran out of gas in that area, the best you could hope for is that one day your bones would be on display in a museum,  thousands of years from now.  Think I'm kidding?  There's 10,000 square miles inside that green circle.  If you include the tiny towns just ABOVE the circle, 7,000 people live in that area.  The only ones who know Dustin Self's whereabouts are a group of well fed buzzards and coyotes.  There are sources of water though.  There's a hot-spring filled with poisonous water that has signs all around it that says keep out because if you get too close the ground you're walking on could collapse and swallow you whole.
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jdbob:

Obligatory:


You are 107.2% correct!!
 
2013-04-19 12:10:08 AM  
HypnozombieX

  On the contrary the evidence is that he began starving to death from day one and eventually became so weak he starved to death. There is NOTHING noble about anorexia. He WAS NOT surviving off the land as he never consumed enough calories to fend off starvation. He may have had a noble goal but the DUMBASS didn't eve take an axe to the forest!  As i have said a well versed boyscout a decade younger than McCandles would have had a BETTER chance of surviving as he would have at least been suitably dressed and suitably equipped. Being a moron should NEVER be celebrated! I take no celebration in his death but I DO resent his FOOLISH actions being held up as examples to emulate. I resent FOOLISHNESS being converted by the media into something noble.
 
2013-04-19 12:10:13 AM  

ZAZ: Tammy Self told the AP that her son was a religious young man and a vegetarian, who had no interest in killing and eating animals.

Are there any animals around there that would be visible this time of year and would look really tasty even to a dedicated vegetarian? I know some ground squirrels come out while snow is deep. They may have more sense than to live in the Great Basin.


Well, there's cows, but I think the ranchers would be a little upset about that. Other than that, there's juniper berries but they taste like shiat.
 
2013-04-19 12:16:15 AM  
I haven't read the book but as the wife of an adventure junkie, the movie was profoundly sad. My husband is more than versed in outdoors stuff and I trust him with my life. I get a lot of grief from friends who have seen Into the Wild though, since they don't get that some men aren't idiots with death wishes.
 
2013-04-19 12:18:36 AM  

scottydoesntknow: "Into the Wild"

Directed by Sean Penn

Written by Sean Penn (screenplay) and Jon Krakauer (book)

Heavily influenced by Charles Darwin


LOL

Into the Wild
 
2013-04-19 12:22:53 AM  

HypnozombieX:  And for the record chris mccandless lived a long time off the land in Alaska as well as a good portion of the lower 48 with not much more than the clothes on his back by living off the land. He only died when he made the, ultimately fatal, mistake of waiting until after the thaw to come back out. It's just pathetic to hear all this "hurr hurr he got what he deserved" bullshiat from people who most likely have barely set foot past where their lawn ends in the back yard. It's sick to think that there are actually people who derive so much  self righteous pleasure from someone else's death.

Hypnozombie


Congratulations. Of all the experts in this thread, you're the only one that's spelled his name right. McCandless.
Mccandles are candles you get from McDonald's.

/Alexander Supertramp
 
2013-04-19 12:24:44 AM  

dbrunker: My family has been residents of this state since the 1940s.  All my life I wondered what's down there in that Southeast corner (the real place that Dustin Self went).  So I risked my life to drive there and find out.  See how there's nothing there?  That's because... there's nothing there.  If your car ran out of gas in that area, the best you could hope for is that one day your bones would be on display in a museum,  thousands of years from now.  Think I'm kidding?  There's 10,000 square miles inside that green circle.  If you include the tiny towns just ABOVE the circle, 7,000 people live in that area.  The only ones who know Dustin Self's whereabouts are a group of well fed buzzards and coyotes.  There are sources of water though.  There's a hot-spring filled with poisonous water that has signs all around it that says keep out because if you get too close the ground you're walking on could collapse and swallow you whole.
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jdbob:

Obligatory:


You are 107.2% correct!!


Forgot to mention sage, miles and miles of sage.  Drive from Burns to Bend (largest east Oregon town) and you'll see sage.  Mofo sage..you'll go mad with boredom before the coyotes pick at your rotten corpse.
 
2013-04-19 12:30:05 AM  

dbrunker: My family has been residents of this state since the 1940s.  All my life I wondered what's down there in that Southeast corner (the real place that Dustin Self went).  So I risked my life to drive there and find out.  See how there's nothing there?  That's because... there's nothing there.  If your car ran out of gas in that area, the best you could hope for is that one day your bones would be on display in a museum,  thousands of years from now.  Think I'm kidding?  There's 10,000 square miles inside that green circle.  If you include the tiny towns just ABOVE the circle, 7,000 people live in that area.  The only ones who know Dustin Self's whereabouts are a group of well fed buzzards and coyotes.  There are sources of water though.  There's a hot-spring filled with poisonous water that has signs all around it that says keep out because if you get too close the ground you're walking on could collapse and swallow you whole.


Pretty much this. I've actually spent a number of vacations there because it's a rockhunting hotspot in the state and Malhuer Wildlife Refuge is always a nice place to visit if you're a birder, but unless you like searching the steppe for sunstones and thundereggs and fossils and watching birds, there's no point going there. He was a vegetarian too, and if he insisted on staying a vegetarian he was going to starve to death because there's literally nothing for him to eat that's in anyway a balanced diet. He would need to eat meat to have a chance of survival, which means  a gun, or the huge nets to catch rabbits like the Native Americans used to use, and I really doubt he has anything like that.
 
2013-04-19 12:35:13 AM  

platedlizard:  catch rabbits like the Native Americans used to use, and I really doubt he has anything like that.

you can eat desert jackrabbits all day long and still die of malnutrition because of their near-zero fat content.

culebra: Steens? Oh, that guy's dead.


That is the most succinctly factual summation of the situation.
 
2013-04-19 12:36:22 AM  
Wrong, but stay with me! ;) They're not like someone who climbs Everest without an oxy tank and sherpas...these guys are like a dumbass showing up at Everest, with NO training, NO real preplanning, refusing to listen to ANY expert about the mountain because their spirit within tells them all they need...and they freeze to death stupidly and uselessly in survivable conditions.

And then a book and movie comes out about them and hundreds of people have to be rescued off the mountain as they look for that magic place where he died.

/ANY trip to rural AK can become an adventure in short order. Wise people prepare for that possibility, not reduce their safety margins by leaving behind needed tools and ignoring people who know how to survive.
 
2013-04-19 12:39:26 AM  
But why am I talking about him starving, when the weather's going to kill him first? It's going to be basically winter there until Dry, and at after Memorial Day, depending on what elevation he's at. Most of that region is called the High Desert for a very good reason (even though technically it's a steppe). It's at about 4,000 feet up, so this time of year there's snow on the ground, ice, etc. So yeah, he probably froze to death long before he could get hungry.
 
2013-04-19 12:39:30 AM  
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2013-04-19 12:40:27 AM  
NotARocketScientist:

/ANY trip to rural AK can become an adventure in short order.

Rural AK hell, any trip to Spenard can become an adventure in short order.
 
2013-04-19 12:46:27 AM  
And I only just now noticed the headline said "southwest oregon". Subby is a dumbass and so am I.
 
2013-04-19 12:47:54 AM  
As someone who grew up in a small town in SW Oregon I'm getting a kick...

In all seriousness I grew up in the Siskiyou Mountains and have been to the Steens.  You would need massive amounts of survival training/experience to make it out of there right now.  Feel sorry for his folks.

on another note being that I live in Duckland I am getting a huge kick out of the pic that was posted earlier in the thread about the difference between east and west.
 
2013-04-19 12:57:08 AM  

puffy999: revrendjim: He ended up in SouthEAST Oregon near Steens Mountain. That is rough, remote country, and it's still winter weather out there. I'm betting he is completely dead.

Yes, on all parts.

/guess subby is the dumbass


Subby linked to an article that auto played. Yes, subs is a dumbass.
 
2013-04-19 01:14:04 AM  

jdbob: revrendjim: He ended up in SouthEAST Oregon near Steens Mountain. That is rough, remote country, and it's still winter weather out there. I'm betting he is completely dead.

Obligatory:

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Very accurate. I need to keep that image.
 
2013-04-19 01:47:14 AM  
I wouldn't call him a dumbass kid. I'd call him a dumbass adult.
 
2013-04-19 02:30:42 AM  
Damnit!  My first main page green and I'm working a 12 hour day.

/subby
 
2013-04-19 08:07:29 AM  

Capo Del Bandito: devildog123: Most of the people up here in Alaska think the guy from into the wild was a farking retard, who got what he deserved.

Is that the idiot who 'gave up' civilization and went into the frozen wasteland and died in a hippie bus or something?


Yup. He set holed up in a rusted van in the middle of the tundra and ended up getting poisoned. In other words, a compleat retard that we're all better off without.
 
2013-04-19 10:40:25 AM  

andychrist420: PunGent: Name_Omitted: PunGent: amishkarl: PunGent: SuperDuper28: Janusdog: devildog123: Most of the people up here in Alaska think the guy from into the wild was a farking retard, who got what he deserved.

I'm not from Alaska, and I think he was a farking retard who got what he deserved.

I think most normal people with a decent amount of common sense felt this way as well. I thought the guy was acting immature and selfish, but I don't know how close the movie was based on reality.

Read the book.

Look, I readthe farking book. I still think the guy was an idiot with no concept of what the wild is like. Whether there was incorrect info in the book or not has nothing to do with the fact that if it was possible to survive in that area, there'd already be people there

So incorrect factual information from an otherwise-reliable source is irrelevant?

Your buy medication at the drugstore, and the label is wrong, it's completely YOUR fault?

You're allergic to nuts, you buy food that says "no nuts", it has nuts in it...it's YOUR fault?

I'll agree the kid was naive, sure...but the factual error in his field text was a non-negligible contributing factor in his death, in my opinion.

Fine. He bet his life on a single source, and that source was wrong. he's still the one that placed the bet.


In Alaska, we mock people like that beside doing so saves lives. He was an idiot who in no way should be emulated.

Hey, it's a free country...mock him all you want.

But remember...odds are, you'll probably live long enough to rely on a medication your doctor prescribes...then you'll be the one 'betting your life on a single source'.  Hopefully there won't be an error in the prescription your doc writes.

How about your brake mechanic?  Did you check HIS work, after that last overhaul?  You won't really know until you're sliding toward that big truck, will you?

How about the migrant worker who picked the tomatoes in your last taco?  he have drug-resistant TB?
Shouldn't have relied ...


My point is he WAS prepared...for a deliberately low-tech adventure.  Read the book.
 
2013-04-19 11:53:54 AM  

PunGent: TheCheese: I wouldn't call that kid a 'dumbass' so much as a 'jackass' for making people go out and search for him.

I hope they find him, and slap him with a fat bill for S&R.

I've been saying for years we need a DNR form for these guys...like Do Not Resuscitate, only it's Do Not Rescue.

Let 'em do any damn fool thing they want, without risking rescuers.


Exactly.  If this dumbass wants to be like Christopher McCandless, then I say we let him.

\don't search for him
\\let him die
 
2013-04-19 12:08:24 PM  

PunGent: addy2: PunGent: devildog123: Most of the people up here in Alaska think the guy from into the wild was a farking retard, who got what he deserved.

Then they probably just read the media accounts, not the book.

thank you for that information. I didn't know that. I'm less inclined to point and laugh out of sheer ignorance.

Krakauer's an excellent author, I recommend everything he's written.  He's a reporter, though, and his books often read like a series of reporter's notes all jammed together...still worthwhile, though.


Into Thin Air sucked a big dick.  Read The Climb.
 
2013-04-19 01:06:43 PM  

CheekyMonkey: PunGent: addy2: PunGent: devildog123: Most of the people up here in Alaska think the guy from into the wild was a farking retard, who got what he deserved.

Then they probably just read the media accounts, not the book.

thank you for that information. I didn't know that. I'm less inclined to point and laugh out of sheer ignorance.

Krakauer's an excellent author, I recommend everything he's written.  He's a reporter, though, and his books often read like a series of reporter's notes all jammed together...still worthwhile, though.

Into Thin Air sucked a big dick.  Read The Climb.


I'll check out The Climb, but I think you're the first person I've ever run into who didn't like ITA.

Seen the movie Touching the Void?  Holy crap.
 
2013-04-19 01:52:17 PM  
Some of the greatest times of my life have been camping in the mountains between Ashland and Klammath Falls. Skate the skatepark all day. Get a bunch of beer and drive out on some random logging road and just stop the car, gather wood and drink beer all night.
 
2013-04-19 03:37:23 PM  
You can't get lost in the wild if you realize that the big hard sun rises in the east, and sets in the west.
 
2013-04-19 05:04:39 PM  

Chainsaw Turd Elf: Some of the greatest times of my life have been camping in the mountains between Ashland and Klammath Falls. Skate the skatepark all day. Get a bunch of beer and drive out on some random logging road and just stop the car, gather wood and drink beer all night.


Between Ashland and KFalls is a whole different thing than the Steens Wilderness. Dude's buzzard food.
 
2013-04-19 11:42:09 PM  
fredbox:

Rural AK hell, any trip to Spenard can become an adventure in short order.

Hey! I grew up in Spenard, and...

Okay, I'll give you that. Its not as bad as it was in the 1970s, though.
 
2013-04-20 02:50:36 AM  

TheCheese: fredbox:

Rural AK hell, any trip to Spenard can become an adventure in short order.

Hey! I grew up in Spenard, and...

Okay, I'll give you that. Its not as bad as it was in the 1970s, though.


True dat. But at least it survived the attempts at sanitation of the 80s which removed all the character from 4th Avenue ..
 
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