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(Guardian)   You may want to sit down for this but it turns out that 42 of the 45 senators who voted against keeping criminals from getting guns are being paid by the gun lobby   (guardian.co.uk) divider line 171
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2013-04-18 04:44:26 PM
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Shocking.
 
2013-04-18 07:04:48 PM
And how many of those who voted for it received campaign money from anti-gun organizations?
 
2013-04-18 07:51:36 PM
Wasn't there ever some kind of law the prohibited the buying of politicians and legislation?
Or was it just a really good idea that was beaten and strangled to death?
 
2013-04-18 07:59:08 PM

ArkAngel: And how many of those who voted for it received campaign money from anti-gun organizations?


I've always wanted to get my students to put together a who owns your congressman website. It would take some manpower but would be a fun resource at election time. Basically stockpile all the corporate and lobby donation records and then have a list about how it impacts his/her voting record. You could put up a record about how many times the person votes based on what they were paid.

The thing I can't figure out how to control for is the usual party politics side of things. A R who is going to vote pro-gun anyhow is going to be likely to receive money from NRA while a D who is going to vote pro-union is likely to receive money from a union. I guess you could really just chart the amount of times someone is willing to cross who pays them or only monitor things that aren't traditional R vs D fights (like say the piracy issues). Anyway, just figured I'd throw the idea out there if someone had good ways to do it.
 
2013-04-18 08:02:01 PM
Enough gun stuff. They won again and get to enjoy the rampant gun deaths and violence. However we can all sleep well knowing that if tyranny comes to the US the Hoveround Militia will be there to save us all

Let's move on and try to improve mental health care. Which of course these same people will now oppose
 
2013-04-18 08:37:04 PM
There is an easier explanation for why this happened:

We are living in the age of megahyperpartisanship. Anything that Obama likes the GOP fights tooth and nail to stop it.

/Gun Lobby is probably funding those who voted yes as well
 
2013-04-18 08:39:38 PM
subby, you may want to sit down for this, but all of those Senators are getting paid only by taxpayer money.

getting a campaign donation is not the same as "getting paid" by someone.
 
2013-04-18 08:39:57 PM

ArkAngel: And how many of those who voted for it received campaign money from anti-gun organizations?


Not many and very little:

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Source
 
2013-04-18 08:40:45 PM

Peter von Nostrand: Enough gun stuff. They won again and get to enjoy the rampant gun deaths and violence. However we can all sleep well knowing that if tyranny comes to the US the Hoveround Militia will be there to save us all

Let's move on and try to improve mental health care. Which of course these same people will now oppose


A Glock 9mm with a 30 round magazine is going to be very effective against Predator drones and M1 Abrams tanks.
 
2013-04-18 08:42:08 PM
How many of the people who received donations voted for the bill?
 
2013-04-18 08:42:31 PM

TheManofPA: I've always wanted to get my students to put together a who owns your congressman website. It would take some manpower but would be a fun resource at election time. Basically stockpile all the corporate and lobby donation records and then have a list about how it impacts his/her voting record. You could put up a record about how many times the person votes based on what they were paid.


Opensecrets.org is your friend. But I agree that it's a very chicken-and-egg problem with campaing donations. Do you vote a certain way because you received donations? Or do people donate to you because they know you will vote a certain way, and therefore want you to win? Don't know how you could possibly tease those two apart.
 
2013-04-18 08:43:25 PM
Do you mean to tell me that those Senators are not terribly concerned with my ability to stave off oppressive, tyrannical government with my awesome, manly firearms??

:|
 
2013-04-18 08:44:25 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: subby, you may want to sit down for this, but all of those Senators are getting paid only by taxpayer money.

getting a campaign donation is not the same as "getting paid" by someone.


Oh, you are adorable.
 
2013-04-18 08:45:21 PM

nmrsnr: ArkAngel: And how many of those who voted for it received campaign money from anti-gun organizations?

Not many and very little:

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Source


that is incomplete data.
TFA claims that if you receive money from a group that lists gun rights as one of their priorities, that that counts too.

"Some of the more relevant donations do not come explicitly from gun campaigners. Senator Jeff Flake, a crucial swing voter from Arizona who turned against gun control at the last minute, received $5,000 in 2012 from The Madison Project, a right-wing campaign group that lists gun rights as one of its top priorities "

So how many Senators received money from any group that cares about gun control (vs. a gun control PAC)?
How much money did they receive from those groups?
 
2013-04-18 08:50:19 PM

Lionel Mandrake: tenpoundsofcheese: subby, you may want to sit down for this, but all of those Senators are getting paid only by taxpayer money.

getting a campaign donation is not the same as "getting paid" by someone.

Oh, you are adorable.


you too!
I do remember you saying how 0bama was being paid by the Oil and Gas Industry and Wall Street.
 
2013-04-18 08:56:09 PM
Am I really the first one to express shock that three of them apparently didn't receive those payments?
 
2013-04-18 08:56:59 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Lionel Mandrake: tenpoundsofcheese: subby, you may want to sit down for this, but all of those Senators are getting paid only by taxpayer money.

getting a campaign donation is not the same as "getting paid" by someone.

Oh, you are adorable.

you too!
I do remember you saying how 0bama was being paid by the Oil and Gas Industry and Wall Street.


Sure you do, sweetie, sure you do.
 
2013-04-18 08:57:37 PM

thisdaydreamer: Am I really the first one to express shock that three of them apparently didn't receive those payments?


Three sane senators out if 100 sounds about right.
 
2013-04-18 08:59:36 PM

thisdaydreamer: Am I really the first one to express shock that three of them apparently didn't receive those payments?


Maybe they just haven't cashed the check yet?
 
2013-04-18 09:04:30 PM

Peter von Nostrand: Enough gun stuff. They won again and get to enjoy the rampant gun deaths and violence. However we can all sleep well knowing that if tyranny comes to the US the Hoveround Militia will be there to save us all

Let's move on and try to improve mental health care. Which of course these same people will now oppose



Damn.  I read this not wearing my glass and had to read that twice to make sure it didn't say "tranny"...which oddly would have also fit.
 
2013-04-18 09:08:06 PM

UberDave: Peter von Nostrand: Enough gun stuff. They won again and get to enjoy the rampant gun deaths and violence. However we can all sleep well knowing that if tyranny comes to the US the Hoveround Militia will be there to save us all

Let's move on and try to improve mental health care. Which of course these same people will now oppose


Damn.  I read this not wearing my glass and had to read that twice to make sure it didn't say "tranny"...which oddly would have also fit.


The Republican Party seems to be more interested in protecting us from trannies than from tyranny.
 
2013-04-18 09:09:07 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: How many of the people who received donations voted for the bill?


People like you, get the Government they deserve.  Everyone else is getting screwed.
 
2013-04-18 09:13:15 PM

jake_lex: UberDave: Peter von Nostrand: Enough gun stuff. They won again and get to enjoy the rampant gun deaths and violence. However we can all sleep well knowing that if tyranny comes to the US the Hoveround Militia will be there to save us all

Let's move on and try to improve mental health care. Which of course these same people will now oppose


Damn.  I read this not wearing my glass and had to read that twice to make sure it didn't say "tranny"...which oddly would have also fit.

The Republican Party seems to be more interested in protecting us from trannies than from tyranny.


The illusion of two parties is killing America. The Republicans and the Democrats both want to take away our rights.

The Rs don't want you to have sex or science. The Ds don't want you to have fun or drugs.

It's a turd sammich and a giant douchebag every time.
 
2013-04-18 09:14:33 PM

doglover: jake_lex: UberDave: Peter von Nostrand: Enough gun stuff. They won again and get to enjoy the rampant gun deaths and violence. However we can all sleep well knowing that if tyranny comes to the US the Hoveround Militia will be there to save us all

Let's move on and try to improve mental health care. Which of course these same people will now oppose


Damn.  I read this not wearing my glass and had to read that twice to make sure it didn't say "tranny"...which oddly would have also fit.

The Republican Party seems to be more interested in protecting us from trannies than from tyranny.

The illusion of two parties is killing America. The Republicans and the Democrats both want to take away our rights.

The Rs don't want you to have sex or science. The Ds don't want you to have fun or drugs.

It's a turd sammich and a giant douchebag every time.


wat
 
2013-04-18 09:17:24 PM

doglover: jake_lex: UberDave: Peter von Nostrand: Enough gun stuff. They won again and get to enjoy the rampant gun deaths and violence. However we can all sleep well knowing that if tyranny comes to the US the Hoveround Militia will be there to save us all

Let's move on and try to improve mental health care. Which of course these same people will now oppose


Damn.  I read this not wearing my glass and had to read that twice to make sure it didn't say "tranny"...which oddly would have also fit.

The Republican Party seems to be more interested in protecting us from trannies than from tyranny.

The illusion of two parties is killing America. The Republicans and the Democrats both want to take away our rights.

The Rs don't want gays to have sex or teaching science. The Ds don't want you to stub your big toe without going to the hospital or letting criminals be punished for their crimes.

It's a turd sammich and a giant douchebag every time.


FTFY sarcastically
 
2013-04-18 09:21:44 PM

Lionel Mandrake: doglover: jake_lex: UberDave: Peter von Nostrand: Enough gun stuff. They won again and get to enjoy the rampant gun deaths and violence. However we can all sleep well knowing that if tyranny comes to the US the Hoveround Militia will be there to save us all

Let's move on and try to improve mental health care. Which of course these same people will now oppose


Damn.  I read this not wearing my glass and had to read that twice to make sure it didn't say "tranny"...which oddly would have also fit.

The Republican Party seems to be more interested in protecting us from trannies than from tyranny.

The illusion of two parties is killing America. The Republicans and the Democrats both want to take away our rights.

The Rs don't want you to have sex or science. The Ds don't want you to have fun or drugs.

It's a turd sammich and a giant douchebag every time.

wat


The Democrats are against danger. They pass all the "for the children" nanny laws and spearhead things like partcipation trophies. If they had their way they'd wall up everything with a sharp edge and take away anything medicine that could even give you a buzz.
 
2013-04-18 09:31:35 PM

Lionel Mandrake: tenpoundsofcheese: Lionel Mandrake: tenpoundsofcheese: subby, you may want to sit down for this, but all of those Senators are getting paid only by taxpayer money.

getting a campaign donation is not the same as "getting paid" by someone.

Oh, you are adorable.

you too!
I do remember you saying how 0bama was being paid by the Oil and Gas Industry and Wall Street.

Sure you do, sweetie, sure you do.

Does subby realize that lobbying is a verb?
 
2013-04-18 09:31:48 PM

doglover: Lionel Mandrake: doglover: jake_lex: UberDave: Peter von Nostrand: Enough gun stuff. They won again and get to enjoy the rampant gun deaths and violence. However we can all sleep well knowing that if tyranny comes to the US the Hoveround Militia will be there to save us all

Let's move on and try to improve mental health care. Which of course these same people will now oppose


Damn.  I read this not wearing my glass and had to read that twice to make sure it didn't say "tranny"...which oddly would have also fit.

The Republican Party seems to be more interested in protecting us from trannies than from tyranny.

The illusion of two parties is killing America. The Republicans and the Democrats both want to take away our rights.

The Rs don't want you to have sex or science. The Ds don't want you to have fun or drugs.

It's a turd sammich and a giant douchebag every time.

wat

The Democrats are against danger. They pass all the "for the children" nanny laws and spearhead things like partcipation trophies. If they had their way they'd wall up everything with a sharp edge and take away anything medicine that could even give you a buzz.


again: wat

Who they hell told you this and why the hell did you believe it?

I think a significant number of Republicans have proposed to change the Constitution to stop homogays from marrying...you know, for kids.  And they want prayer in school...for the kids.

The sharp edges thing is just retarded.  I could just as easily say that Republicans want big busineass to hide razors in their breakfast cereals if they thought it might turn a profit.

And am I to understand that you think Dems are lamer that Repubs on drug policy?  Well, that's new.  Next you're going to tell me that liberals are trying to close abortion clinics.

Again, who told you this, and what sort of traumatic brain injury led you to believe this?
 
2013-04-18 09:32:38 PM
In breaking news, politicians are bought and paid for by their largest donors and various PACs.
 
2013-04-18 09:39:02 PM
If you combine two homogays you a homohomo+2homogay+gaygay. That's four people.
 
2013-04-18 09:49:30 PM
What gets me is all the Pro-lifers who continue to support criminals' rights to acquire weapons and shred little kids into bloody piles and THEN be prosecuted.

Lovely.
 
2013-04-18 09:53:41 PM
And that's only the third strongest lobby in Washington, far behind the Oil Lobby and the AARP
 
2013-04-18 10:11:46 PM
U.S. Congress: The best covernment that money can buy
 
2013-04-18 10:13:31 PM

Darth_Lukecash: U.S. Congress: The best covernment that money can buy


To be fair, that's pretty much every government, not just the U.S. Congress
 
2013-04-18 10:22:28 PM

Tatsuma: Darth_Lukecash: U.S. Congress: The best covernment that money can buy

To be fair, that's pretty much every government, not just the U.S. Congress


Nuh uh, The Empire was very well controlled by the Sith, who are not money whores.
 
2013-04-18 10:32:18 PM

Tatsuma: Darth_Lukecash: U.S. Congress: The best covernment that money can buy

To be fair, that's pretty much every government, not just the U.S. Congress


Not that it doesn't happen but the sorts of stories that come out of the US don't come even remotely close to the sorts of things we see here. The US system does come across as particularly corrupt.
 
2013-04-18 10:46:00 PM

snuff3r: Not that it doesn't happen but the sorts of stories that come out of the US don't come even remotely close to the sorts of things we see here. The US system does come across as particularly corrupt.


That's because you follow US news and you do not read on domestic news of most countries. America is the Saint Patron of Integrity next to Mexico, for example
 
2013-04-18 10:58:45 PM

snuff3r: Tatsuma: Darth_Lukecash: U.S. Congress: The best covernment that money can buy

To be fair, that's pretty much every government, not just the U.S. Congress

Not that it doesn't happen but the sorts of stories that come out of the US don't come even remotely close to the sorts of things we see here. The US system does come across as particularly corrupt.


Take their ranking for what you will, but according to the Corruption Perceptions Index places the US at #19 out of 176. We're middle of the pack when compared to First World European countries, but compared to the rest of the world in general the US is squeaky clean.
 
2013-04-18 11:02:51 PM

snuff3r: Tatsuma: Darth_Lukecash: U.S. Congress: The best covernment that money can buy

To be fair, that's pretty much every government, not just the U.S. Congress

Not that it doesn't happen but the sorts of stories that come out of the US don't come even remotely close to the sorts of things we see here. The US system does come across as particularly corrupt.


So didn't Rupert Murdoch destroy your press as well?
 
2013-04-18 11:26:28 PM

edmo: What gets me is all the Pro-lifers who continue to support criminals' rights to acquire weapons and shred little kids into bloody piles and THEN be prosecuted.

Lovely.


There is little pro-life in that movement.

But that's besides the point.  Gun activists don't care about dead kids.  They value their guns more than anyone who gets killed with one.  It's the price they are more than happy to pay, because they don't think it's a price.  Just something that happens.

Unless of course any other crime is involved, then suddenly causalities matter.  The ones caused by guns?  Irrelevant, especially when a gun is used for a crime.
 
2013-04-18 11:26:29 PM
"I can't believe it's not bribery!"
 
2013-04-18 11:29:01 PM
No, get out of here... and next you're going to tell me that the Democrats support unions out of the goodness of their hearts and not because of the money in their pockets.
 
2013-04-18 11:29:26 PM

Peter von Nostrand: Enough gun stuff. They won again and get to enjoy the rampant gun deaths and violence. However we can all sleep well knowing that if tyranny comes to the US the Hoveround Militia will be there to save us all

Let's move on and try to improve mental health care. Which of course these same people will now oppose


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2013-04-18 11:29:30 PM
The N.R.A. is like the Borg. Once it gets inside you, you become part of the hive mind, no matter how reasonable you were before. R.I.F.
 
2013-04-18 11:31:06 PM

GAT_00: edmo: What gets me is all the Pro-lifers who continue to support criminals' rights to acquire weapons and shred little kids into bloody piles and THEN be prosecuted.

Lovely.

There is little pro-life in that movement.

But that's besides the point.  Gun activists don't care about dead kids.  They value their guns more than anyone who gets killed with one.  It's the price they are more than happy to pay,



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"FARK YOU! MY LIBERTIES TO OWN A GUN ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN THOSE PUSSY CRYBABY FAMILIES IN NEWTOWN!"
 
2013-04-18 11:31:37 PM

doglover: thisdaydreamer: Am I really the first one to express shock that three of them apparently didn't receive those payments?

Three sane senators out if 100 sounds about right.


You have to remember Sen Reid is probably one of those three.
 
2013-04-18 11:34:31 PM

Whistling Kitty Chaser: Peter von Nostrand: Enough gun stuff. They won again and get to enjoy the rampant gun deaths and violence. However we can all sleep well knowing that if tyranny comes to the US the Hoveround Militia will be there to save us all

Let's move on and try to improve mental health care. Which of course these same people will now oppose

A Glock 9mm with a 30 round magazine is going to be very effective against Predator drones and M1 Abrams tanks.


I know, exactly. I always laugh at these morons like Ted Nugent who think they need armor-piercing rifles to "hurt American soldiers, if necessary". Because that's totally not a threat. I like to tell them "Two words: Branch Davidians". Also, shooting a cop "invading your home" is fantastic way to get 20 to life.

How is it that a kid warning Obama to be careful on a vulnerable day gets a visit from the Secret Service, yet a direct threat to on the President's life doesn't get so much as a condemnation from the media? People have gone to Gitmo for less than what he said.
 
2013-04-18 11:36:46 PM
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2013-04-18 11:39:09 PM

GAT_00: edmo: What gets me is all the Pro-lifers who continue to support criminals' rights to acquire weapons and shred little kids into bloody piles and THEN be prosecuted.

Lovely.

There is little pro-life in that movement.

But that's besides the point.  Gun activists don't care about dead kids.  They value their guns more than anyone who gets killed with one.  It's the price they are more than happy to pay, because they don't think it's a price.  Just something that happens.

Unless of course any other crime is involved, then suddenly causalities matter.  The ones caused by guns?  Irrelevant, especially when a gun is used for a crime.


You know, you're right.  I honestly don't care about dead kids.  I don't let emotion cloud my reason.  I very purposely set it aside as your emotions lie to you where your logic will not.  Whether the topic is abortion or gun control, you can't let dead kids distract you from facts, logic, and reason.  Once you do that, everybody with a sob story will rule you.  All they have to do is shake a dead body at you and shed some tears and they can convince you to do whatever their cause wants.  It's shameless and disgusting to use this tactic, but it does work on the weak minded.  Remember when Hamas was caught red handed "rescuing" the same dead baby from like 3-4 different collapsed buildings?  Shameless and disgusting to use dead kids to push your political agenda.  Give me a logic based, rational argument and we'll talk.  Shake a dead baby at me and you instantly lose whatever your cause is in my mind.
 
2013-04-18 11:41:42 PM
I opposed this legislation because it's raw interventionist bias.
 
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