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(North Jersey)   Pope redirects $2000 "new pope" bonuses for 4500+ Vatican workers to charitable organizations   (northjersey.com) divider line 44
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2013-04-18 04:20:08 PM
5 votes:
How about you sell off some of the property the Church has instead of f*cking over the workers?
2013-04-18 05:30:13 PM
4 votes:
This guy seems determined to work himself into having a "heart attack".
2013-04-18 06:37:41 PM
3 votes:

BiffDangler: So wait a second.  Imagine if you are entitled to a bonus and your boss says "hey, I am going to do something really good and give away your bonus!"

I think everyone here would be pissed.


First off, nobody is entitled to a bonus, that's why it's a bonus.

Second, THAT'S NOT WHAT HE F*CKING DID.
2013-04-18 06:14:48 PM
3 votes:

Farking Canuck: Good start. Now sell of some of the billions you have tied up in art and real estate and actually make a difference.

/and stop covering up child rape of course


Most of that "real estate" includes hospitals and schools, asshole.

It's like I said in the last Pope thread: for people who hate the Catholic Church, there is literally NOTHING it can do that will be good enough to appease them.
2013-04-18 05:58:02 PM
3 votes:

ladyfortuna: dugitman: This guy seems determined to work himself into having a "heart attack".

He's actually making me start to semi-kinda-maybe-sorta respect the church, or at least part of it. We'll see where he goes I guess.


Really? He writes an order to give away other peoples money to charity and that gets him respect?
2013-04-18 04:16:34 PM
3 votes:
Not only that, he gave the money from his own personal charity fund. Good on ya, Pope. I like you better than the last one.
2013-04-18 06:45:36 PM
2 votes:
Yup, glad to see the "Well why doesn't he sell all his stuff!" crap.

Because if he started selling off church property someone would kill him off, he knows this, what he is doing now is probably the best thing he can do.  Slowly changing the church in such a way as to make the change as lasting as possible, rather than something the church elite can bury as soon as he gets knocked off.
2013-04-18 06:33:10 PM
2 votes:

BiffDangler: So wait a second.  Imagine if you are entitled to a bonus and your boss says "hey, I am going to do something really good and give away your bonus!"

I think everyone here would be pissed.


It depends on who the employees are. One would argue that clergymen should never feel such entitlement.
2013-04-18 06:29:36 PM
2 votes:
Wow, a religious figure who's actually read and comprehends what the Bible says. Amazing.

Now, if he should start turning pedophiles over to the authorities I might actually start to respect religion again.
2013-04-18 06:17:48 PM
2 votes:
How about redirecting it all to a charity that counsels victims of sexual abuse?
2013-04-18 06:13:27 PM
2 votes:

GAT_00: Really?  You decided to screw over the janitor instead of selling off a millennia of loot that has accumulated in the Vatican?

That's just an asshole move.


3/10. 4/10 if you get any bites.
2013-04-18 06:06:17 PM
2 votes:
So screwing over employees for the whims of the executive elite is a good thing farkers?
2013-04-18 06:02:26 PM
2 votes:
Maybe this guy really is walking the walk
2013-04-18 06:01:46 PM
2 votes:
<Dune> I have to admit it... I like this Pope...  </Dune>
2013-04-18 05:46:33 PM
2 votes:
Pope Francis has been riding a streak of good deeds that make me hope for the best.  He's pissing off very powerful interests within the Church.

If he dies of a heart attack this year, I want a full autopsy by an independent medical examiner.
2013-04-18 04:20:31 PM
2 votes:
In 2005, some 4,000 Vatican employees received a 1,000 euro bonus ($1,300) upon the death of Pope John Paul II, and another 500 euros ($650) upon the election of his successor, Benedict XVI.

If there was ever a good motivation to murder a Pope...
2013-04-18 04:19:28 PM
2 votes:
That's not going to be very popeular with the workers
2013-04-19 01:24:58 AM
1 votes:

Captain Dan: Solid Muldoon: Tax the churches. If they want to play in the political arena, which they have been doing more and more each year, they need to buy a ticket like the rest of us.

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The church has been getting continuously less involved in the political arena for the past 1000 years.


You are correct, sir.  I should have been more specific. I know the churches used to buy and sell Kings and countries. It went out of fashion. But it is coming back.

In my life time, I have seen the churches in America go from talking about morals and sin to talking about "If you vote for this man you will burn in hell." And spending the tax exempt money they get to buy political ads on TV.

Tax them.
2013-04-18 10:43:55 PM
1 votes:

Solid Muldoon: Tax the churches. If they want to play in the political arena, which they have been doing more and more each year, they need to buy a ticket like the rest of us.


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The church has been getting continuously less involved in the political arena for the past 1000 years.
2013-04-18 10:37:01 PM
1 votes:

GAT_00: And so why exactly could the bonuses not be paid and that money be donated anyway?


Because, unlike the Federal Reserve, the Vatican doesn't get to fire up the presses when it wants things it can't afford.
2013-04-18 10:27:08 PM
1 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: Jesus was one of the greatest trolls of all time.  Billions of bites, counting both believers and non-believers who were provoked to strong reactions by his words.


2.bp.blogspot.com
Then the Pharisees went out and laid plans to trap him in his words. They sent their disciples to him along with the Herodians. "Teacher," they said, "we know you are a man of integrity and that you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. You aren't swayed by men, because you pay no attention to who they are.Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay taxes to Caesar or not?"


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"Show me the coin used for paying the tax." They brought him a denarius, and he asked them, "Whose portrait is this? And whose inscription?" "Caesar's," they replied.


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Then he said to them, "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's."
2013-04-18 09:51:48 PM
1 votes:
ReverendJynxed

Golf clap... very nicely played!

FarkingCanuck

So basically, until the church is perfect, you have no use for them.  Well I guess you are an environment destroying, slavery supporting, native population decimating child abuse supporter yourself because you support a government that has done all those things and more, and hasn't come even close to apologizing and making restitutions for all of it.  Heck, if you are going to judge the day to day actions of millions of people based on a small number of their leaders I guess we can hang the crimes of the British  and French empires on your head too right?  That makes as much sense as what you're saying.  Or how about your own family.  Statiscally odds are quite reasonable that someone in your extended family is a pedophile who has harmed a child (30 - 50% of adults in the states were likely sexually abused, 1/3 by family, almost 2/3 close aquaintance of the family.  I guess unless your family has hunted down, outed and helped prosecute that person, you are guilty of protecting a sexual predator by association (unless you've disowned your family over it).  Yes, this is ridiculous, and faulty logic... same stream of logic you are spewing.  At least I can see the depth of your hate and put you in the same category of derp as GAT_00.
2013-04-18 09:47:02 PM
1 votes:
Tax the churches. If they want to play in the political arena, which they have been doing more and more each year, they need to buy a ticket like the rest of us.
2013-04-18 09:22:32 PM
1 votes:
So wait, why would they receive the bonus for when the Pope dies? The Pope didn't die. He resigned.

And why would you get a bonus when any pope dies? Like in general? That just seems really morbid.
2013-04-18 08:46:07 PM
1 votes:
He broke a tradition, not a guarantee.  And it's a tradition that the employees there have likely experienced a whopping 3-5 times in their lifetimes.  As long as it's charities where the money helps the needy (i.e. not the United Way) I like this move.
2013-04-18 08:20:48 PM
1 votes:
I'm a lapsed Catholic but I've always wondered about the logic of "sell the Vatican, feed the poor." Who has the money to buy the Vatican? And if they do, then why aren't they feeding the poor instead of buying art?
2013-04-18 07:08:57 PM
1 votes:
It's not like the employees really had time to plan for this bonus.  There wasn't a lot of time between the Pope's decision to retire and the election of the new guy.  They expected the other guy to be Pope for at least another decade.  It was magic money that they weren't expecting that disappeared before they could receive it.  I don't feel at all sorry for the employees, especially if they've already got their "Pope dies and is replaced" bonus budgeted.
2013-04-18 07:08:36 PM
1 votes:

xantos: So if I rtfa correctly, instead of paying the extra special bonus a vatican employee would expect to receive a handful of times during their career, the pope took some money from his personal charity fund, and of all things spent it on charity. Meaning not only did the workers not get a bonus but the same amount got spent on charity as a pre-bonus budget would have allocated.


Not only that, as well as the pope only spending the charity money he has from his annual charity budget, by paying those thousands of workers less it is reasonable to assume some part of those bonuses would be given away to charity, so if we assume they would have given away on average 2% of it we can account for this policy as:

Vatican workers: -$8.82m
Papal bank: +$9m
Charities: -$180k
2013-04-18 07:06:44 PM
1 votes:

Theeng: Yup, glad to see the "Well why doesn't he sell all his stuff!" crap.

Because if he started selling off church property someone would kill him off, he knows this, what he is doing now is probably the best thing he can do.  Slowly changing the church in such a way as to make the change as lasting as possible, rather than something the church elite can bury as soon as he gets knocked off.


I mean, Jesus Christ himself rejected the "sell crap off to help a few poor people now" idea as moronic. Remember that bit about, "the poor will always be with us" when the disciples attacked him for letting Mary rub expensive oils on his feet?

The art has a value beyond the monetary value, and the pope has a responsibility to tend to the church's future. Selling off the church's priceless artifacts for a quick buck now would be crass commercialism of a sort that would have pissed off Jesus to no end, regardless of where the monies would be going. So yeah, sell off treasures from 2000 years of history to make a small dent in poverty now, the effects of which will be gone in 10 years. Really great long term thinking there, not to mention you're depriving future generations the enjoyment of that art, which would wind up on a rich guy's wall somewhere. What was once free for anyone in the public to see would disappear to all but the fabulously wealthy. Yeah, that Jesus guy would have loved THAT.

But yes, the Vatican should totally sell off schools, hospitals, and priceless art to pay for a year's supply of beans. I mean, they just print new Michelangelos every day, right?
2013-04-18 06:50:23 PM
1 votes:
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2013-04-18 06:34:08 PM
1 votes:

Captain Dan: Pope Francis has been riding a streak of good deeds that make me hope for the best. He's pissing off very powerful interests within the Church.

If he dies of a heart attack this year, I want a full autopsy by an independent medical examiner.


Agreed.  I didn't know what to think of him at first, but I'm coming down more and more on the side of really liking this pope.
2013-04-18 06:28:40 PM
1 votes:

PepperFreak: Let me know when that shiatstain gives up all the gold and the castle and the rest of the bullshiat the church has and donates that to the poor.
funny how the head of the jesus fan club lives a very un-jesus like life.


Have you not heard of how he lived before he got poped?
2013-04-18 06:26:26 PM
1 votes:

xria: ladyfortuna: dugitman: This guy seems determined to work himself into having a "heart attack".

He's actually making me start to semi-kinda-maybe-sorta respect the church, or at least part of it. We'll see where he goes I guess.

Really? He writes an order to give away other peoples money to charity and that gets him respect?


He wrote an order to not pay out of possibly strained funds a bonus, then took from his offices funds and paid charities

though i guess if you look at it, the tithes that filled the funds were someone else's money, how dare he use that to do charitble work
2013-04-18 06:23:58 PM
1 votes:

PepperFreak: Let me know when that shiatstain gives up all the gold and the castle and the rest of the bullshiat the church has and donates that to the poor.
funny how the head of the jesus fan club lives a very un-jesus like life.


I thought the Catholics were the Mother Mary Fan Club.

/Jesus was second-banana
2013-04-18 06:21:14 PM
1 votes:

GAT_00: Really?  You decided to screw over the janitor instead of selling off a millennia of loot that has accumulated in the Vatican?

That's just an asshole move.


That's not at all what he did, and you damn well know it.

tylerdurden217: How about redirecting it all to a charity that counsels victims of sexual abuse?


That would be a fantastic move actually.
2013-04-18 06:17:22 PM
1 votes:
"In 2005, some 4,000 Vatican employees received a 1,000 euro bonus ($1,300) upon the death of Pope John Paul II, and another 500 euros ($650) upon the election of his successor, Benedict XVI."

Why in the world would you have such a ridiculous thing like that?
It's like automatic pay raises for Congress kind of greed.
2013-04-18 06:15:23 PM
1 votes:
It wasn't their money. It was a bonus because the church elected a new pope. How many bonuses do you gt when they hire your new boss?!
2013-04-18 06:14:26 PM
1 votes:
Let me know when that shiatstain gives up all the gold and the castle and the rest of the bullshiat the church has and donates that to the poor.
funny how the head of the jesus fan club lives a very un-jesus like life.
2013-04-18 06:12:07 PM
1 votes:
Really?  You decided to screw over the janitor instead of selling off a millennia of loot that has accumulated in the Vatican?

That's just an asshole move.
2013-04-18 06:10:47 PM
1 votes:

xria: ladyfortuna: dugitman: This guy seems determined to work himself into having a "heart attack".

He's actually making me start to semi-kinda-maybe-sorta respect the church, or at least part of it. We'll see where he goes I guess.

Really? He writes an order to give away other peoples money to charity and that gets him respect?


It's not "their" money any more than Congress' salary is "their" money. All that give-your-wealth to the poor shait, you know?
2013-04-18 06:09:17 PM
1 votes:
I hear they got these instead:

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2013-04-18 06:00:35 PM
1 votes:

Aarontology: How about you sell off some of the property the Church has instead of f*cking over the workers?


That's what the workers do everyday. The place is rife with corruption...
2013-04-18 05:58:04 PM
1 votes:

Dixon Cider: So he did the christian thing?

Gotta every now and again....


Giving other people's money away?  That's more of a Democrat thing...

/ducks
2013-04-18 05:56:26 PM
1 votes:

dugitman: This guy seems determined to work himself into having a "heart attack".


He's actually making me start to semi-kinda-maybe-sorta respect the church, or at least part of it. We'll see where he goes I guess.
 
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