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(North Jersey)   Pope redirects $2000 "new pope" bonuses for 4500+ Vatican workers to charitable organizations   (northjersey.com) divider line 188
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2013-04-18 06:27:04 PM

Farking Canuck: Good start. Now sell of some of the billions you have tied up in art and real estate and actually make a difference.

/and stop covering up child rape of course


I wouldn't be surprised if he did that within the next 5 to 10 years
 
2013-04-18 06:28:15 PM

Guuberre: I thought the Catholics were the Mother Mary Fan Club.


*yoink!* Stolen for later abuse. :)
 
2013-04-18 06:28:40 PM

PepperFreak: Let me know when that shiatstain gives up all the gold and the castle and the rest of the bullshiat the church has and donates that to the poor.
funny how the head of the jesus fan club lives a very un-jesus like life.


Have you not heard of how he lived before he got poped?
 
2013-04-18 06:28:53 PM

Capo Del Bandito: I wonder how much of this is 'i'm not like the other popes! See!" and this trails off after a few months, and how much of this is genuine.

If it's genuine, I don't think they'll let him make it through the year.


It'll be interesting to see what happens after his new commission for reforming the Curia begins its work. From what I've heard, most of the guys on the commission are outsiders to Rome. There's going to be some major reform if they get their way.
 
2013-04-18 06:29:36 PM
Wow, a religious figure who's actually read and comprehends what the Bible says. Amazing.

Now, if he should start turning pedophiles over to the authorities I might actually start to respect religion again.
 
2013-04-18 06:31:23 PM
So wait a second.  Imagine if you are entitled to a bonus and your boss says "hey, I am going to do something really good and give away your bonus!"

I think everyone here would be pissed.
 
2013-04-18 06:33:10 PM

BiffDangler: So wait a second.  Imagine if you are entitled to a bonus and your boss says "hey, I am going to do something really good and give away your bonus!"

I think everyone here would be pissed.


It depends on who the employees are. One would argue that clergymen should never feel such entitlement.
 
2013-04-18 06:34:08 PM

Captain Dan: Pope Francis has been riding a streak of good deeds that make me hope for the best. He's pissing off very powerful interests within the Church.

If he dies of a heart attack this year, I want a full autopsy by an independent medical examiner.


Agreed.  I didn't know what to think of him at first, but I'm coming down more and more on the side of really liking this pope.
 
2013-04-18 06:34:16 PM
With the way the new pope is conducting business (you know, actually in line with the tenants of good ol' vow-of-poverty-level catholicism), he'll either be the greatest reformer the church has ever seen, or he'll be dead of a mysterious accident within 2 months..
 
2013-04-18 06:34:57 PM
Matt. 19:21 -  Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, goand sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and comeand follow me.


Takes time to sell what the Church doesn't need to carry out its mission.  Fortunately, Francis doesn't face an arbitrary term limit.  He's not going to reduce the Church's workers to Walmart levels of poverty; that would only increase the Church's workload.
 
2013-04-18 06:35:11 PM

BiffDangler: So wait a second.  Imagine if you are entitled to a bonus and your boss says "hey, I am going to do something really good and give away your bonus!"

I think everyone here would be pissed.


I'd be fine with it, the bonus is just that, same with, hey we can't do the annual company trip to an all inclusive resort in some sunny foriegn land
 
2013-04-18 06:37:28 PM

BiffDangler: Imagine if you are entitled to a bonus


... uh...
 
2013-04-18 06:37:41 PM

BiffDangler: So wait a second.  Imagine if you are entitled to a bonus and your boss says "hey, I am going to do something really good and give away your bonus!"

I think everyone here would be pissed.


First off, nobody is entitled to a bonus, that's why it's a bonus.

Second, THAT'S NOT WHAT HE F*CKING DID.
 
2013-04-18 06:37:43 PM

BiffDangler: So wait a second.  Imagine if you are entitled to a bonus and your boss says "hey, I am going to do something really good and give away your bonus!"

I think everyone here would be pissed.


This is the Church we're talking about. Most of these guys took a vow of poverty.
 
2013-04-18 06:38:11 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: The Stealth Hippopotamus: The Pope gets paid?

I think he works for tips


i thought that was the jewish pope
 
2013-04-18 06:38:18 PM
So if I rtfa correctly, instead of paying the extra special bonus a vatican employee would expect to receive a handful of times during their career, the pope took some money from his personal charity fund, and of all things spent it on charity. Meaning not only did the workers not get a bonus but the same amount got spent on charity as a pre-bonus budget would have allocated.
 
2013-04-18 06:39:11 PM

ArcadianRefugee: I hear they got these instead:

[ecx.images-amazon.com image 300x300]



annnnd we have a winner.

/Golf clap, sir.
//That is one of my all-time favorite threads
 
2013-04-18 06:39:32 PM

BiffDangler: So wait a second.  Imagine if you are entitled to a bonus and your boss says "hey, I am going to do something really good and give away your bonus!"

I think everyone here would be pissed.


Notsureifserious.jpeg
 
2013-04-18 06:41:26 PM

ArcadianRefugee: I hear they got these instead:

[ecx.images-amazon.com image 300x300]


Damn beat me to it.
 
2013-04-18 06:42:11 PM

xxmedium: [i.imgur.com image 400x309]


Book it. DONE.
 
2013-04-18 06:45:36 PM
Yup, glad to see the "Well why doesn't he sell all his stuff!" crap.

Because if he started selling off church property someone would kill him off, he knows this, what he is doing now is probably the best thing he can do.  Slowly changing the church in such a way as to make the change as lasting as possible, rather than something the church elite can bury as soon as he gets knocked off.
 
2013-04-18 06:46:08 PM

mitchcumstein1: GAT_00: Really?  You decided to screw over the janitor instead of selling off a millennia of loot that has accumulated in the Vatican?

That's just an asshole move.

That's not at all what he did, and you damn well know it.


Yes he did.  The Vatican's loot is estimated in the billions.  This is a million dollars and this is the donation he makes?
 
2013-04-18 06:46:19 PM

Theeng: Yup, glad to see the "Well why doesn't he sell all his stuff!" crap.

Because if he started selling off church property someone would kill him off, he knows this, what he is doing now is probably the best thing he can do.  Slowly changing the church in such a way as to make the change as lasting as possible, rather than something the church elite can bury as soon as he gets knocked off.


STOP BRINGING LOGIC INTO THIS!
 
2013-04-18 06:50:23 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-18 06:55:10 PM
So, the new Pope's a Thatcherite.  Who knew?
 
2013-04-18 06:55:16 PM

PepperFreak: Let me know when that shiatstain gives up all the gold and the castle and the rest of the bullshiat the church has and donates that to the poor.
funny how the head of the jesus fan club lives a very un-jesus like life.


That's Rome for you. First they crucify him, then they deify him! Now they use him to keep everyone in line.
 
2013-04-18 06:59:25 PM

GAT_00: mitchcumstein1: GAT_00: Really?  You decided to screw over the janitor instead of selling off a millennia of loot that has accumulated in the Vatican?

That's just an asshole move.

That's not at all what he did, and you damn well know it.

Yes he did.  The Vatican's loot is estimated in the billions.  This is a million dollars and this is the donation he makes?


So he shouldn't have made any donation? Who'd he screw over? And who's going to buy the billions of dollars worth of "loot" from the Vatican? You act like he could just put it on Craigslist.
 
2013-04-18 07:06:17 PM
That's a good move, as tiny tokens go.  Now maybe he can also start selling off some of the billions of treasure stored up in the citadel of Jesus, Protector of the Poor and Weak.  And dismantling the sprawling, corrupt Vatican "banking" system.

Then he can get to work on revoking the whole idea of a Vatican "state" that was created by a fascist dictator to buy the church's acquiescence.
 
2013-04-18 07:06:44 PM

Theeng: Yup, glad to see the "Well why doesn't he sell all his stuff!" crap.

Because if he started selling off church property someone would kill him off, he knows this, what he is doing now is probably the best thing he can do.  Slowly changing the church in such a way as to make the change as lasting as possible, rather than something the church elite can bury as soon as he gets knocked off.


I mean, Jesus Christ himself rejected the "sell crap off to help a few poor people now" idea as moronic. Remember that bit about, "the poor will always be with us" when the disciples attacked him for letting Mary rub expensive oils on his feet?

The art has a value beyond the monetary value, and the pope has a responsibility to tend to the church's future. Selling off the church's priceless artifacts for a quick buck now would be crass commercialism of a sort that would have pissed off Jesus to no end, regardless of where the monies would be going. So yeah, sell off treasures from 2000 years of history to make a small dent in poverty now, the effects of which will be gone in 10 years. Really great long term thinking there, not to mention you're depriving future generations the enjoyment of that art, which would wind up on a rich guy's wall somewhere. What was once free for anyone in the public to see would disappear to all but the fabulously wealthy. Yeah, that Jesus guy would have loved THAT.

But yes, the Vatican should totally sell off schools, hospitals, and priceless art to pay for a year's supply of beans. I mean, they just print new Michelangelos every day, right?
 
2013-04-18 07:07:35 PM

mitchcumstein1: GAT_00: mitchcumstein1: GAT_00: Really?  You decided to screw over the janitor instead of selling off a millennia of loot that has accumulated in the Vatican?

That's just an asshole move.

That's not at all what he did, and you damn well know it.

Yes he did.  The Vatican's loot is estimated in the billions.  This is a million dollars and this is the donation he makes?

So he shouldn't have made any donation? Who'd he screw over? And who's going to buy the billions of dollars worth of "loot" from the Vatican? You act like he could just put it on Craigslist.


How about he donates some of his own money instead of other people's?
 
2013-04-18 07:08:36 PM

xantos: So if I rtfa correctly, instead of paying the extra special bonus a vatican employee would expect to receive a handful of times during their career, the pope took some money from his personal charity fund, and of all things spent it on charity. Meaning not only did the workers not get a bonus but the same amount got spent on charity as a pre-bonus budget would have allocated.


Not only that, as well as the pope only spending the charity money he has from his annual charity budget, by paying those thousands of workers less it is reasonable to assume some part of those bonuses would be given away to charity, so if we assume they would have given away on average 2% of it we can account for this policy as:

Vatican workers: -$8.82m
Papal bank: +$9m
Charities: -$180k
 
2013-04-18 07:08:57 PM
It's not like the employees really had time to plan for this bonus.  There wasn't a lot of time between the Pope's decision to retire and the election of the new guy.  They expected the other guy to be Pope for at least another decade.  It was magic money that they weren't expecting that disappeared before they could receive it.  I don't feel at all sorry for the employees, especially if they've already got their "Pope dies and is replaced" bonus budgeted.
 
2013-04-18 07:10:04 PM

xria: ladyfortuna: dugitman: This guy seems determined to work himself into having a "heart attack".

He's actually making me start to semi-kinda-maybe-sorta respect the church, or at least part of it. We'll see where he goes I guess.

Really? He writes an order to give away other peoples money to charity and that gets him respect?


He gave away money that catholics themselves gave away to THEM as charity, and put it to work in an actual charity to help the poor, instead of lining the pockets of church employees. It was already donated money, given freely to use by the church. Man, I hope you were just trolling :)

/Not catholic, likes this pope though
// "lining the pockets" - what a weird phrase
 
2013-04-18 07:10:19 PM

imgod2u: xria: ladyfortuna: dugitman: This guy seems determined to work himself into having a "heart attack".

He's actually making me start to semi-kinda-maybe-sorta respect the church, or at least part of it. We'll see where he goes I guess.

Really? He writes an order to give away other peoples money to charity and that gets him respect?

It's not "their" money any more than Congress' salary is "their" money. All that give-your-wealth to the poor shait, you know?


I think it would be less good if the money was some kind of performance based bonus, but it's not. They didn't do any extra good work, the catholic church didn't do any extra good work, they just elected a new pope. So, all he's doing is taking the 'new pope' money, and giving it to the poor instead of people who don't really need it.
 
2013-04-18 07:12:02 PM

xria: ladyfortuna: dugitman: This guy seems determined to work himself into having a "heart attack".

He's actually making me start to semi-kinda-maybe-sorta respect the church, or at least part of it. We'll see where he goes I guess.

Really? He writes an order to give away other peoples money to charity and that gets him respect?


FTA:  The money will be drawn from the pontiff's personal charity budget "as a sign of the church's attention for the many people who are suffering" from the global economic slowdown, Lombardi said.
 
2013-04-18 07:17:09 PM

GAT_00: mitchcumstein1: GAT_00: mitchcumstein1: GAT_00: Really?  You decided to screw over the janitor instead of selling off a millennia of loot that has accumulated in the Vatican?

That's just an asshole move.

That's not at all what he did, and you damn well know it.

Yes he did.  The Vatican's loot is estimated in the billions.  This is a million dollars and this is the donation he makes?

So he shouldn't have made any donation? Who'd he screw over? And who's going to buy the billions of dollars worth of "loot" from the Vatican? You act like he could just put it on Craigslist.

How about he donates some of his own money instead of other people's?


What do you consider to be "his own money," GAT?
 
2013-04-18 07:17:38 PM
Well, this seems like a step in the right direction, this guy seems a touch better than King Death

/I wonder if the donations goes to traumatized boys
//ohtheironknee.png
///meet the new boss, slightly the same as the old boss
 
2013-04-18 07:18:14 PM
What the hells wrong with this pope? He's all compassionate and shiat! OUTRAGE!
 
2013-04-18 07:18:24 PM
Well someone at the Vatican isn't getting that new pool...
 
2013-04-18 07:18:55 PM

iheartscotch: The art community would shiat a brick if the Church sold so much as one masterpiece.


I doubt it. They might care, a bit, if it went into a private collection, but if it went to a museum nobody would mind much. What's the Getty Museum acquisitions budget these days?
 
2013-04-18 07:22:29 PM
Wait. If the Pope is NOT living in the "luxurious Papal Apartments" ... opting for a guesthouse instead, who will get to live in those apartments?? They will fall into disrepair otherwise, no? Maybe theyʻll rent them out like Lincolnʻs Bedroom??

High end vacation rental??

hmm
 
2013-04-18 07:25:42 PM

ISO15693: xria: ladyfortuna: dugitman: This guy seems determined to work himself into having a "heart attack".

He's actually making me start to semi-kinda-maybe-sorta respect the church, or at least part of it. We'll see where he goes I guess.

Really? He writes an order to give away other peoples money to charity and that gets him respect?

He gave away money that catholics themselves gave away to THEM as charity, and put it to work in an actual charity to help the poor, instead of lining the pockets of church employees. It was already donated money, given freely to use by the church. Man, I hope you were just trolling :)

/Not catholic, likes this pope though
// "lining the pockets" - what a weird phrase


How can you be so sure that someone that sorts mail or cleans the floors at the Vatican is so flush with cash that a bonus like this would just "line their pockets"? And he hasn't given any new money away to charity at all, he has just canceled the traditional bonus to save the vatican money. The money he has given to charity is from his own charity budget - which he would have given away to charity anyway at some point this year, so charities are gaining nothing whatsoever from this move.

I have no problem with him cutting the bonuses, that is up to him and the vatican accounts and whether they feel they can pay it out. What I have issue with is trying to claim:

1) that the pope giving away money that would normally have been given to someone else is the pope being charitable - if I hacked your bank account and sent $2k of it to a charity (ignoring the legal issues) would you could me as being charitable when I am spending your money?
2) that this is good for charities - they are getting money the church already sets aside each year for the pope to give away to charities of his choice. Happening to give away an equal amount of this fixed budget at the same time as cutting the bonuses doesn't mean any more money will be given away to charities this year
 
2013-04-18 07:27:17 PM

Farking Canuck: Good start. Now sell of some of the billions you have tied up in art and real estate and actually make a difference.

/and stop covering up child rape of course


Hey, $9,000,000 is a decent start.  Be happy.
 
2013-04-18 07:28:06 PM
He's starting to step on toes.  My guess is he's gone soon, to be replaced with Pope Business As Usual.
 
2013-04-18 07:29:15 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: The Stealth Hippopotamus: The Pope gets paid?

I think he works for tips


I thought that was the altar boys.
 
2013-04-18 07:30:10 PM

BarkingUnicorn: GAT_00: mitchcumstein1: GAT_00: mitchcumstein1: GAT_00: Really?  You decided to screw over the janitor instead of selling off a millennia of loot that has accumulated in the Vatican?

That's just an asshole move.

That's not at all what he did, and you damn well know it.

Yes he did.  The Vatican's loot is estimated in the billions.  This is a million dollars and this is the donation he makes?

So he shouldn't have made any donation? Who'd he screw over? And who's going to buy the billions of dollars worth of "loot" from the Vatican? You act like he could just put it on Craigslist.

How about he donates some of his own money instead of other people's?

What do you consider to be "his own money," GAT?


His own salary?  The Vatican's funds?  How exactly would you feel if your boss declared that you not only get a bonus, but you'll never see it because he's donating it for you!
 
2013-04-18 07:34:26 PM

scottydoesntknow: Well someone at the Vatican isn't getting that new pool...


First I was all
bubba.org

Then I was all
basementrejects.com

/hot
 
2013-04-18 07:37:18 PM

BarkingUnicorn: What do you consider to be "his own money," GAT?


Don't feed the well known troll.
 
2013-04-18 07:37:24 PM
Francis told journalists a few days after his election that he wanted a "poor church, for the poor," and he has brought a simpler and more sober style to the papacy.

/really? i couldn't tell due to your thousand dollar outfit, your churches worth millions by themselves, and your net worth of the catholic church, which has to be in the billions. But thanks for the 2k. I'm sure the poor will appreciate their cut of 1 dollar.
 
2013-04-18 07:38:16 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: /really? i couldn't tell due to your thousand dollar outfit, your churches worth millions by themselves, and your net worth of the catholic church, which has to be in the billions. But thanks for the 2k. I'm sure the poor will appreciate their cut of 1 dollar.


Not sure if trolling or just ignorant to how reality works.
 
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