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2013-04-18 05:22:52 PM  
If its not a marijuana cigarette, GTFO.
 
2013-04-18 05:24:07 PM  
It's how I quit. (I still keep it around. A 6mg cart will last me 2 weeks or more)

It's worked for the 5 or 6 people I've referred.

They must be stopped.
 
2013-04-18 05:26:23 PM  

JolobinSmokin: If its not a marijuana cigarette, GTFO.

You might want to rethink that statement, E-smoking is  vapor smoking.
 
2013-04-18 05:27:19 PM  

Uranus Is Huge!: It's how I quit. (I still keep it around. A 6mg cart will last me 2 weeks or more)

It's worked for the 5 or 6 people I've referred.

They must be stopped.


Sure, they can help you quit.  So can the patch.  But just don't try to advertise or legislate them as 100% healthy - they're still a nicotine delivery system.
 
2013-04-18 05:28:23 PM  
Ecigarettes have been proven to have the highest success rate for quitting smoking.  Sure, there is probably some health issues with them, but I would bet any amount of money that those heallth issues are inconsequetial when compared to smoking real cigarettes.  Unfortunately, the nanny types are going to go out of their way to convince everyone that ecigs are just like real cigs so they should be banned everywhere.  These people are morons.

I went from a pack a day to a pack a week of real cigarettes by mostly switching to ecigs.  I might quit entirely one day, but at the moment I can't be bothered.
 
2013-04-18 05:30:34 PM  

Karac: Sure, they can help you quit. So can the patch. But just don't try to advertise or legislate them as 100% healthy - they're still a nicotine delivery system.


Or as something that you can do ANYWHERE with no one saying anything.

Kick your ass out of my house for using those as well...
 
2013-04-18 05:31:53 PM  

Karac: Uranus Is Huge!: It's how I quit. (I still keep it around. A 6mg cart will last me 2 weeks or more)

It's worked for the 5 or 6 people I've referred.

They must be stopped.

Sure, they can help you quit.  So can the patch.  But just don't try to advertise or legislate them as 100% healthy - they're still a nicotine delivery system.


I wouldn't call them healthy, but my blood pressure dropped by about 30/20 less than a week after I switched.

It's also way less obnoxious to others. I did my homework and used a vendor that listed their ingredients.

And oh yeah, I live in Colorado and can buy or make hash oil cartridges that work great.
 
2013-04-18 05:32:15 PM  

Karac: Uranus Is Huge!: It's how I quit. (I still keep it around. A 6mg cart will last me 2 weeks or more)

It's worked for the 5 or 6 people I've referred.

They must be stopped.

Sure, they can help you quit.  So can the patch.  But just don't try to advertise or legislate them as 100% healthy - they're still a nicotine delivery system.


Show me one advertisement where njoy says they are 100% healthy.

My ecig (ego-t) has probably saved my life. My doctor says my blood pressure is back down to normal, I can breath better, and everyone tells me that I smell nice now.

Sure, it isn't 100% healthy but 1 negative chemical is quite a bit better for you than god knows how many chemicals are in tobacco.

There is a pushback against e-cigs, but that is from the tobacco lobby and this article is suspicious. There is a bill in Oklahoma the tobacco lobby is trying to pass that will force all retailers to only buy from tobacco wholesalers instead of from the manufactures directly, seriously.
 
2013-04-18 05:33:37 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Karac: Sure, they can help you quit. So can the patch. But just don't try to advertise or legislate them as 100% healthy - they're still a nicotine delivery system.

Or as something that you can do ANYWHERE with no one saying anything.

Kick your ass out of my house for using those as well...


Do you boil water, perhaps to make tea?  Congratulations. You've produced the same shiat as an ecigarette.
 
2013-04-18 05:36:45 PM  

OgreMagi: Satanic_Hamster: Karac: Sure, they can help you quit. So can the patch. But just don't try to advertise or legislate them as 100% healthy - they're still a nicotine delivery system.

Or as something that you can do ANYWHERE with no one saying anything.

Kick your ass out of my house for using those as well...

Do you boil water, perhaps to make tea?  Congratulations. You've produced the same shiat as an ecigarette.


I hope he doesn't eat potatoes, cauliflower, tomatoes, peppers, eggplants, or drink tea because those contain more nicotine than secondhand e-cig vapor. I imagine he at least counts to potato though.
 
2013-04-18 05:39:15 PM  
I'm another successful cigarette quitter thanks to e-cigs.  I was at a pack and a half a day (I drive alot for work, like 10 hours a day).  Got my Ego-C set as a gift and haven't looked back.  If you are a heavy smoker, I highly recommend the Joyetech stuff.  I hated the little cigarette sized ones with the screw on "filter" cartridges.  The Ego-T and Ego-C stuff will give you the hit to the throat feeling you missed from your cigarettes.  I use a cinnamon red-hot flavored liquid that I have custom made for me that gives me the harsh feeling in my throat that I missed, plus it makes your breath and clothes smell like x-mas. 

Seriously, why anyone would want to ban this, especially with all the anit-smoker laws and quit smoking campaigns in the last decade, is beyond me.  It works like a charm.
 
2013-04-18 05:44:34 PM  

readymix: Seriously, why anyone would want to ban this, especially with all the anit-smoker laws and quit smoking campaigns in the last decade, is beyond me. It works like a charm.


There are two types of people who want to ban this.

1. The tobacco industry because of lost profits.
2. Really stupid farking people who think vaping is just like smoking ZOMG!

There's a third group who wants to control and tax the shiat out of it.  These would be "almost every politician alive."
 
2013-04-18 05:44:44 PM  

devek: Karac: Uranus Is Huge!: It's how I quit. (I still keep it around. A 6mg cart will last me 2 weeks or more)

It's worked for the 5 or 6 people I've referred.

They must be stopped.

Sure, they can help you quit.  So can the patch.  But just don't try to advertise or legislate them as 100% healthy - they're still a nicotine delivery system.

Show me one advertisement where njoy says they are 100% healthy.


Well, of course they don't make those claims yet.  They'd get laughed at by the FDA.  Hence, the lobbyists.
 
2013-04-18 05:44:52 PM  
e-cigs are nothing but nicotine and flavoring mixed with vegetable glycerine or propylene glycol. (Commonly known as FOG MACHINE FLUID).

FDA recognizes propylene glycol as safe.
 
2013-04-18 05:46:19 PM  
It's no wonder: Government regulators are skeptical of e-cigarettes, health lobbyists aren't convinced they're safe and established tobacco companies are attempting to gobble up market share.

They're not  safe, for the same reason your morning coffee and bacon aren't  safe.  They're not noticeably more dangerous than the majority of food or caffeine products, though, and they eliminate second-hand smoke, which is basically the sole justification for the government having the ability to ban tobacco smoking to begin with.

//They're about on par with smoking marijuana from a vaporizer, health-wise, if you want an analogy to something that someone not using them as an aid to quit tobacco in the first place may actually have done.
 
2013-04-18 05:46:58 PM  

OgreMagi: readymix: Seriously, why anyone would want to ban this, especially with all the anit-smoker laws and quit smoking campaigns in the last decade, is beyond me. It works like a charm.

There are two types of people who want to ban this.

1. The tobacco industry because of lost profits.
2. Really stupid farking people who think vaping is just like smoking ZOMG!

There's a third group who wants to control and tax the shiat out of it.  These would be "almost every politician alive."


Oh, I'm well aware of why 'people' want to ban it.  I was speaking from a hypothetical plane of existence where people aren't money fueled knuckleheads.  It just sucks that that place only exists in my mind.
 
2013-04-18 05:48:08 PM  

Karac: But just don't try to advertise or legislate them as 100% healthy - they're still a nicotine delivery system.


Is the nicotine, in and of itself, harmful?
 
2013-04-18 05:49:01 PM  

Uranus Is Huge!: And oh yeah, I live in Colorado and can buy or make hash oil cartridges that work great.


Whaaaat
 
2013-04-18 05:51:54 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Uranus Is Huge!: And oh yeah, I live in Colorado and can buy or make hash oil cartridges that work great.

Whaaaat


It's a tiny handheld vaporizer.
 
2013-04-18 05:53:15 PM  

devek: I hope he doesn't eat potatoes, cauliflower, tomatoes, peppers, eggplants, or drink tea because those contain more nicotine than secondhand e-cig vapor. I imagine he at least counts to potato though.


I'd kick anyone out of my home for coming in and making potatoes or eggplants as well.

I mean Jesus, why the fark would you just start making eggplants while at someone else's house.  The fark is wrong with you.
 
2013-04-18 05:53:39 PM  

OgreMagi: readymix: Seriously, why anyone would want to ban this, especially with all the anit-smoker laws and quit smoking campaigns in the last decade, is beyond me. It works like a charm.

There are two types of people who want to ban this.
1. The tobacco industry because of lost profits.
2. Really stupid farking people who think vaping is just like smoking ZOMG!
There's a third group who wants to control and tax the shiat out of it.  These would be "almost every politician alive."



A fourth group to add to the list: the smoking cessation industry.  They're not thrilled with the idea of what is primarily a bunch of cottage-industry and hobbyist folks cutting into their bottom line.

/went from 10-year 2-pack-a-day habit to vapor, instantly
//nicotine-free one season later
///no withdrawal felt at any point in the process
 
2013-04-18 05:54:18 PM  

GoldSpider: Karac: But just don't try to advertise or legislate them as 100% healthy - they're still a nicotine delivery system.

Is the nicotine, in and of itself, harmful?


Nicotine is poisonous but at low levels the body is able to process it.  Ingesting large amount can be deadly.
 
2013-04-18 05:56:07 PM  
Modern e-cigarettes - small plastic tubes that seek to deliver the look, feel and nicotine buzz of traditional smokes - have been subject to little federal regulation since they entered the U.S. market from China in 2007.

How much lead and melamine do they contain?
 
2013-04-18 05:56:21 PM  

Uranus Is Huge!: HotWingConspiracy: Uranus Is Huge!: And oh yeah, I live in Colorado and can buy or make hash oil cartridges that work great.

Whaaaat

It's a tiny handheld vaporizer.


That's mighty convenient.
 
2013-04-18 05:57:10 PM  

GoldSpider: Is the nicotine, in and of itself, harmful?


30 to 60 miligrams is enough nicotine to kill you.

luckily, it almost never found in such concentrations
 
2013-04-18 05:58:24 PM  

GoldSpider: Karac: But just don't try to advertise or legislate them as 100% healthy - they're still a nicotine delivery system.

Is the nicotine, in and of itself, harmful?


In this case, yes...kinda.  Depends on what e-cig 'style' you go with.  If you are talking about the Blu/RedDragon/NJoy type junk, then the dosing of nicotine is fixed and you get what they set it as.  These are the e-cigs you see at gas stations and smoke shops.  If you are talking about a modular tank/atomizer system where you fill a tank with nicotine liquid, then the lines are a bit more blurred.  You can purchase your liquids pre-mixed with a specific nicotine dosage.  Usually between 3mg/30mg concentration of nicotine.  You can also buy the raw materials and mix yourself.  A 30ml bottle of 30mg nicotine liquid could kill you if you drank it.  If you are mixing at home, you've got a bottle of straight nicotine in a marked bottle labeled "POISON"  Just getting that on your skin can be problematic. 

But the retailers aren't stupid, at least none of the ones I've dealt with.  They mix the stuff precisely, and everything is properly labeled.  As long as you keep the liquids out of reach of your dumb kids that might be inclined to drink it, and you aren't trying to drink it yourself, or use it as eyedrops or as some sort of sex lubricant, you're risk level is incredibly low.  I've spilled plenty of liquid on my hands without issue.  Just be aware that concentrated nicotine is deadly and you're fine.
 
2013-04-18 05:58:44 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Uranus Is Huge!: HotWingConspiracy: Uranus Is Huge!: And oh yeah, I live in Colorado and can buy or make hash oil cartridges that work great.

Whaaaat

It's a tiny handheld vaporizer.

That's mighty convenient.


Farkin' A right it is! Especially during a 4 hour flight delay.
 
2013-04-18 05:59:18 PM  
Same here, 15 years of pack a day Marlboro lights to e-cig in about a month long weening process.  I have been smoke free for about a year other than about 8 times when I wanted a "real" cig. I would call going from about 7300 smokes a year to 8 a real improvement.
 
2013-04-18 05:59:48 PM  

Wasteland: OgreMagi: readymix: Seriously, why anyone would want to ban this, especially with all the anit-smoker laws and quit smoking campaigns in the last decade, is beyond me. It works like a charm.

There are two types of people who want to ban this.
1. The tobacco industry because of lost profits.
2. Really stupid farking people who think vaping is just like smoking ZOMG!
There's a third group who wants to control and tax the shiat out of it.  These would be "almost every politician alive."


A fourth group to add to the list: the smoking cessation industry.  They're not thrilled with the idea of what is primarily a bunch of cottage-industry and hobbyist folks cutting into their bottom line.

/went from 10-year 2-pack-a-day habit to vapor, instantly
//nicotine-free one season later
///no withdrawal felt at any point in the process


Let's add them to group #1 and rename it, "people who's profits depend upon cigarette addiction".
 
2013-04-18 06:01:17 PM  

Karac: But just don't try to advertise or legislate them as 100% healthy


Why not?

Healthy is one of those words like Fun, Beautiful, Delicious, or Sane. Anyone or anything using them about themselves is lying.
 
2013-04-18 06:02:47 PM  
I quit with an e-cig three months ago. I'd had it for around 8 months, but never really used it until I got serious at the new year. I bought the liquid separately, rather than buying pre-filled cartridges.

The ingredients?

Vegetable Glycerin and nicotine.

Basically, the stuff that goes in a smoke machine, with a small amount of nicotine added.
 
2013-04-18 06:06:40 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Uranus Is Huge!: And oh yeah, I live in Colorado and can buy or make hash oil cartridges that work great.

Whaaaat


The g-pen. A friend of a friend has one that I've seen.

Downsides: tastes vaguely of plastic. Also, making hash oil yourself is an absolute biatch of a job, and simply isn't cost efficient if you don't grow your own plants.

Upsides: healthier, gets you incredibly high, and is incredibly stealthy. You could use it standing next to a cop and get away with it, because it doesn't smell like weed at all.
 
2013-04-18 06:12:53 PM  
the e-cigarette got Tigger off a 35 a day habit.

My previous record in eleventy billion cessation attempts over 15 years was...24 hours.
 
2013-04-18 06:16:34 PM  

fluffy2097: GoldSpider: Is the nicotine, in and of itself, harmful?

30 to 60 miligrams is enough nicotine to kill you.

luckily, it almost never found in such concentrations


In the doses in an e-cigarette it causes slower bone growth and protects against alzheimer's and other neurodegenerative disorders.
 
2013-04-18 06:22:28 PM  

fluffy2097: e-cigs are nothing but nicotine and flavoring mixed with vegetable glycerine or propylene glycol. (Commonly known as FOG MACHINE FLUID).

FDA recognizes propylene glycol as safe.


I'm getting an idea..
 
2013-04-18 06:32:37 PM  
And the revolving door goes round and round...
 
2013-04-18 06:46:40 PM  
Now assholes are bringing them in and smoking those in places you can't smoke. Yeah, I want to breathe in your Nicotine vapor.

Once again smokers pushing their shiat anywhere they can. They keep pushing it, I'll keep voting to ban it then in even more places.
 
2013-04-18 06:53:42 PM  

Corvus: Now assholes are bringing them in and smoking those in places you can't smoke. Yeah, I want to breathe in your Nicotine vapor.

Once again smokers pushing their shiat anywhere they can. They keep pushing it, I'll keep voting to ban it then in even more places.


And I keep voting to ban morons and trolls from the Politics tab, but as your presence demonstrates, that never works.
 
2013-04-18 06:55:02 PM  

OgreMagi: readymix: Seriously, why anyone would want to ban this, especially with all the anit-smoker laws and quit smoking campaigns in the last decade, is beyond me. It works like a charm.

There are two types of people who want to ban this.

1. The tobacco industry because of lost profits.
2. Really stupid farking people who think vaping is just like smoking ZOMG!

There's a third group who wants to control and tax the shiat out of it.  These would be "almost every politician alive."


You mean like the FDA who found cancer causing substances in every brand they tested?
 
2013-04-18 06:56:09 PM  

Talondel: Corvus: Now assholes are bringing them in and smoking those in places you can't smoke. Yeah, I want to breathe in your Nicotine vapor.

Once again smokers pushing their shiat anywhere they can. They keep pushing it, I'll keep voting to ban it then in even more places.

And I keep voting to ban morons and trolls from the Politics tab, but as your presence demonstrates, that never works.


Smoke up more so you can die of lung cancer buddy, just don't bring others who not as stupid as you with you.
 
2013-04-18 06:59:17 PM  

fusillade762: Modern e-cigarettes - small plastic tubes that seek to deliver the look, feel and nicotine buzz of traditional smokes - have been subject to little federal regulation since they entered the U.S. market from China in 2007.

How much lead and melamine do they contain?


This is the main reason I wont use them. Dont we grow enough damn tobacco here in the us ? Cant we make the nicotine juice here ?
 
2013-04-18 07:01:55 PM  
Add me to the list of folks who quit thanks to e-cigs. Had my last real cigarette in October and my last e-cig in December.

I always went outside to puff on them anyway, because whenever I see someone sucking on one in a place where smoking is not permitted, they always seem to be looking around with an air of douchey challenge, hoping someone will say something to them about it.
 
2013-04-18 07:08:53 PM  

alienated: fusillade762: Modern e-cigarettes - small plastic tubes that seek to deliver the look, feel and nicotine buzz of traditional smokes - have been subject to little federal regulation since they entered the U.S. market from China in 2007.
How much lead and melamine do they contain?

This is the main reason I wont use them. Dont we grow enough damn tobacco here in the us ? Cant we make the nicotine juice here ?


They entered the market from there originally, but they're not all made there, nor are all the fluids.  Depends on who you're buying from.
 
2013-04-18 07:11:00 PM  

OgreMagi: readymix: Seriously, why anyone would want to ban this, especially with all the anit-smoker laws and quit smoking campaigns in the last decade, is beyond me. It works like a charm.

There are two types of people who want to ban this.

1. The tobacco industry because of lost profits.
2. Really stupid farking people who think vaping is just like smoking ZOMG!

There's a third group who wants to control and tax the shiat out of it.  These would be "almost every politician alive."


Yeah the tobacco companies hate them:


Lorillard, the maker of Newport cigarettes, launched its own electronic bluCig and an accompanying national ad campaign that features actor Stephan Dorff (of 1998 movie "Blade" fame) urging potential e-smokers to "take their freedom back" and "rise from the ashes."

Cigarette king Reynolds American has also sponsored a new "Transform Tobacco" campaign, which aims to reduce the harm caused by smoking by offering a line of "smokeless" product


Which is why they are making campaigns to promote them. Yes some are used for smoke cessation programs, but that is just trying to get them into the door to get around current smoking law bans.
 
2013-04-18 07:11:36 PM  

aimtastic: Add me to the list of folks who quit thanks to e-cigs. Had my last real cigarette in October and my last e-cig in December.

I always went outside to puff on them anyway, because whenever I see someone sucking on one in a place where smoking is not permitted, they always seem to be looking around with an air of douchey challenge, hoping someone will say something to them about it.


Thank you. I appreciate that.
 
2013-04-18 07:19:07 PM  
If e-cigs drastically reduce the cancer risks of smoking, what's the problem? We allow all kinds of addictive chemicals like caffeine.

Just fine the company significantly for every under-18 person caught using one.
 
2013-04-18 07:23:40 PM  

GoldSpider: Karac: But just don't try to advertise or legislate them as 100% healthy - they're still a nicotine delivery system.

Is the nicotine, in and of itself, harmful?


It is almost exactly caffeine, albeit at a differing dosage.  Poisonous if you somehow get like a solid gram of the pure substance, but otherwise, no.

And, like caffeine, it has some mild therapeutic effects at low dosage but isn't really... good for you as such.  Pretty firmly in the "don't worry about it" category at cigarette pack-a-day dosages.  Especially if you're getting it from actual cigarettes, they have some really nasty shiat in them and are aldehyde-treated to up the addiction factor.
 
2013-04-18 07:24:38 PM  

Corvus: Smoke up more so you can die of lung cancer buddy, just don't bring others who not as stupid as you with you.


I don't smoke.    It is entirely possible to be against anti-smoking laws for e-cigs, despite the fact that one doesn't not smoke.  Not everyone feels that it's necessary to impose their views on the rest of society.

Corvus: You mean like the FDA who found cancer causing substances in every brand they tested?


As they say: [Citation Needed].  The FDA has not taken a position on the health risks of e-cigs either way, nor have they reached a conclusion that they contain dangerous chemicals.

As the safety and efficacy of e-cigarettes have not been fully studied, consumers of e-cigarette products currently have no way of knowing:

whether e-cigarettes are safe for their intended use,
how much nicotine or other potentially harmful chemicals are being inhaled during use, orif there are any benefits associated with using these products. http://www.fda.gov/newsevents/publichealthfocus/ucm172906. htm

Let alone on the effect of the 'second hand vapor' produced by e-cigs.
 
2013-04-18 07:24:39 PM  
Currently vaping caramel cream flavor e-juice using an eGo C, so getting a kick, etc...

The whole discussion regarding banning e-cigs would be amusing if it weren't so stupid - it's basically Big Tobacco and Big Pharma telling smokers, "Ok, smoking is bad and you shouldn't do it so we're going to ban the single most effective method in existence to help you quit because then we wouldn't make any money off you anymore. "
 
2013-04-18 07:25:46 PM  
I was using them for a couple of years in place of regular cigs. I switched brands a few months ago and I started breaking out in a weird rash. Even my doctors weren't sure what was causing it. Not realizing it was the e-cigs, I made changes to my diet, laundry soap, body soap etc. It wasn't until I stopped using the e-cigs that it went away.

Yes they helped me kick the tobacco habit, but for a few months I had a weird rash that was most likely caused by them.

/Specific brand: Smart Smoke
 
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